The Big Problem With Forza Motorsport Physics (Compared To GT7)

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@owl_theory 9 месяцев назад

I think you're perceiving Forza's camera shifting slightly during turns while GT7's is locked tighter to the car. Should be the same in a cockpit view or using a wheel.

@SterNebula 9 месяцев назад

Correct, comparing camera movement is basically like arguing why the moon should not follow you while you are walking. There are no numbers or data given in this comparison, it is just camera movement.

@eSKAone- 9 месяцев назад

You can change that in GT7 camera settings. He should have adjusted that for better comparison.

@TatohOne 9 месяцев назад

What I see also, I actually can’t drive while seeing the rear of a car. Throws me way off. Looks cool, but hood or cockpit for me.

@romakrelian 9 месяцев назад

I'm glad someone said it. GT7's camera looks much more stiff in comparison.

@DDuMas 9 месяцев назад

@@romakrelian The stiff look in GT looks really weird to me. It kind of breaks the immersion for me, because it looks so old school and video gamey to me.

@keslenvialva 9 месяцев назад

I believe it's just the camera in Forza, not the physics, the camera is more playful. I surely prefer that over that stiff GT camera

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

You can adjust the camera in GT but Forza definitely looks more lively!!

@jcadvanced 9 месяцев назад

@@Kireth i tried adjusting the camera movement in GT. It is still crazy stiff. I much prefer the "playful" camera movement of Forza. Also agree with keslenviala, I don't think the movement of the car is demonstrating the car's physics. It's more so just the camera showing more turn and lean of the car. I personally can't feel the weight of the car when leaning into corners when play GT in helicopter view.

@ashdog236 9 месяцев назад

@@Kireth it still is static and nowhere near as lively as FM

@GatitoCarreras 9 месяцев назад

@@Kirethi get you about realism but FM7 physics are way more fun, camera is boring back ends don’t even move at all, GT7 cameras looks like atari games where map comes at you

@M16_Akula-III 9 месяцев назад

Well, I guess it comes down to preferences, I really like the GT7 camera because it just doesn't move.

@AlexandersArchways 9 месяцев назад

This video actually made me like Forza more

@cosmocalisse 7 месяцев назад

I think the reason the camera on GT7 is stiffer is to allow the joystick input to feel very precise, while in Forza, the farther that camera swings, the harder it is to visually percieve microadjustments in your steering.

@johnnysteez5124 9 месяцев назад

defenetly the cameras and not the physics

@MannequinSmiles 9 месяцев назад

The camera doesn’t seem to be changing angle if you look at everything else in the environment. Only the car angle changes.

@kylekeys6908 9 месяцев назад

You can turn off the theatrical camera shake and it looks the same...

@CorruptionManX 9 месяцев назад

Amazing how far a person will go to defend a game, how do you tell it's the game camera that's causing this? The rear of the car is definitely moving, saying otherwise is not a matter of opinion, it's simply trying to omit something you don't want to assume.

@PugLifeFool 9 месяцев назад

@@MannequinSmilesyeah people that are saying “it’s just the camera” are either not watching the video or outright lying

@ImBrockatron 9 месяцев назад

@MannequinSmiles ... you can see the aide of the car in forza... in gt the camera doesnt move so forza only looks like what this guy is claiming.

@Harmonic14 9 месяцев назад

As everyone else has said, it's mostly the camera. The camera stiffness in GT has always been a thing - you see this kind of difference even in GT4 when you compare the normal camera to the GT3 camera mod. The Forza physics don't look like anything out of the ordinary, and I certainly don't foresee any issues with consistency in lap times because of the physics.

@dausherryanddhy9508 8 месяцев назад

@792bnz 8 месяцев назад

Forza physics are arcadey. When I bring my car to the track, its doesn't slide around

@lihill91 8 месяцев назад

@@792bnz Agreed. But differences in the camera can really add in the illusion of cars seeming like they're whipping around in Forza as opposed to GT. Prior to GT3, the camera was similar to Forza in that the car appeared to be more fluid when moving and turning.

@792bnz 8 месяцев назад

I don't know man. To me, its distracting. Every game i play, motion blur, screen shake and anything else is going off. If you like it, that's cool. Some people race in overhead view and I know a lot of them that are good racers. It's just a preference in games 🙂

@glenwaldrop8166 8 месяцев назад

Forza and GT are reasonable close, one just favors understeer, the other oversteer.

@TheCrazeturk 9 месяцев назад

In GT7, the camera is fixated on the car. In FM, the camera is fixated on the centre of the screen.

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

Very good point

@gilangthehuman7713 9 месяцев назад

I actually think like this: stiff camera = Competitive Lively/loose camera = Fun

@mr.kumar1 9 месяцев назад

@@gilangthehuman7713sometimes you want to see the car turn so you can see what's happening to it

@PhiladelphiaCollins451 9 месяцев назад

@@Kirethif its a good point then take the fucking video down... you completely just giving out false information... jesus christ

@ClapperDan 8 месяцев назад

@@gilangthehuman7713I don't understand how the camera makes it less competitive?

@Viperin98 9 месяцев назад

The theatrical camera work in Forza has always immersed me more than the stiffer Gran Turismo camera. That being said, I still love playing Gran Turismo

@MiguelMartinez-yj7yu 6 месяцев назад

I was playing sport for a while. I tried motorsport 7 and oh my god it’s just so much immersive. I love the cockpit view without the steering wheel. I cant see anything on GT while on cockpit view

@CampYea 6 месяцев назад

GT7 really looks like the car is just on a popsicle stick and you move the track under it rather than you actually driving the vehicle.

@stuffandjunkandthings364 8 месяцев назад

The biggest issue I have with Forza's physics is the "wallowing" (side to side rocking) that pretty much all cars from prior to 2000 in the game are plagued with. It doesn't even take a corner or a bump to trigger it, but when it starts, you're on your way to the scene of the crash- no matter what you try to do. Using a wheel is nearly impossible on older vehicles, as the rocking affects the force feedback, which leads to more rocking. I am also pretty sure whomever set the friction levels for the "stock" tires has never actually ridden in an automobile around a corner. They have the adhesive properties of watermelon rinds that are coated in baby oil. In game it is possible to spin a car out at less that 20mph making a slight right hand corner (Volvo 850, Maple valley, headed down towards the start/finish line). If tires were truly this bad, we would have all died in car accidents by now. They need to fix this (and separate the "road feel" from general "force feedback" and vibration settings- I should be able to feel if my car hits a curb without having to fight with it for control, POwer steering really does exist, and MANY racecars use it)

@NoGripNick 8 месяцев назад

I primarily drive older cars with a wheel, I have no issues. You can surely feel the body roll, but it doesn't feel out of the ordinary to me.

@Kaylos29 9 месяцев назад

It's been a while since I played F7 or Horizon, but I belive the camera angle is at least partially tied to the steering input of car while moving. So you can end up in situations visually where you are understeering but still see that camera movement like the rear end is stepping out. I'm not entirely sure that is the case would make sense from some of the video shown here where with a front wheel drive car you could be attempting to give the car more steer angle while getting on the gas. I remember situiations when I first started playing Forza 6 where I would be looking at the side of my car trying to turn while braking(I was just learning), and it would still not turn in but slide straight through the turn. It would be interesting to see the same comparison from cockpit or hood cam. Early reports are that Forza isn't as precise on a wheel as GT7, but some of that may be down to the default settings being horrid.

@michael_boss 9 месяцев назад

Good post and I think you right on both the camera and the default wheel settings.

@RAZINSKI 9 месяцев назад

Yeah it's literally the camera.

@d0x360 9 месяцев назад

That is quite accurate just like how in GT Sport & 7 the cars often seem to pivot from the center instead of turn like a car and it's all because of the way they do cameras differently. Forza camera moves more to avoid that pivot look which can end up becoming almost a feeling. GT stays pretty stuck in place compared to most racing games sim or arcade. Hell GT7 isn't a bad game because of its first 8 months you could ride a kerb like train tracks. Thankfully most people didn't know or couldn't do it accurately so it wasn't an issue online.

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

VERY good analysis!!

@Kaylos29 9 месяцев назад

@@Kireth I went on FH5 and checked how the camera works and specifically used a FWD car. The camera is tied to the turn angle of the car, not the steering input. However, it is not necessarily tied to the slip angle. If I started understeering, the car and camera straightened up right away. IE if I hammered the gas. Even with an oversteer tune. However, if I managed the throttle and speed, the camera would rotate even if I wasn't slipping. This is easy to see at a really low speed going in circles slowly without spinning the tires. The camera literally turns a really sharp angle and you can see the whole side of the car. Basically it behaved as you would expect a FWD car to behave even with FH5's arcade like physics. My updated guess is simply that the car in the video hadn't lost grip at the front yet, either through low power or modulating the throttle. It's just the way the camera works in Forza. The rear end isn't actually sliding out. The point in the video where the car slid out mid corner looked like he hit the handbrake, because that is how the camera behaves in forza when you do.

@toshinou2619 9 месяцев назад

It's not the physics, but camera. Forza uses a smooth, and very flexible cam, that "Follows" the car, instead of being literally welded to it, like in GT7. And if you're talking about "Wheel Experience" then I suggest you going into the cockpit view, for that. As you don't get any wheel experience, while watching the car from 3rd person.

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

bro u missed my video yesterday

@RelicaYT 9 месяцев назад

100% correct @toshinou2619 Basically you said what I tried to say in my post.

@ShadyPaperclips 9 месяцев назад

Wheel Experience is just something not present in Forza, its just poor experience

@PugLifeFool 9 месяцев назад

@@incgohd not really. The car is moving not the camera 😂

@L-Bj 9 месяцев назад

@@PugLifeFoolI think toshinou wrote that but whatever 🤣

@kumyo 9 месяцев назад

FMS looks like you’re driving the car. GT7 looks like you’re driving the map.

@ftx_arduous 8 месяцев назад

looks this way, but just the opposite, because with AI, the learned line is rotating "appropriately" every corner, and then~ forza adds modifiers for being off the line, such as tire rubber but not limited to tire rubber, less friction in a lot of cases.. the only expiremental line is the fastest one... im convinced..

@_AegleSeeker 6 месяцев назад

Best comment

@mayankmehra2884 2 месяца назад

good one buddy😂😂😂😂

@irlantiisti2810 9 месяцев назад

This third-person camera appeared in GRID 2008. This gives you 100% insight into the battle as to how accurately you are taking the turn. You are literally able to control the millimeter distance from your opponent. In Forza Motosport 2023, the third person camera is simply PERFECT!!!

@EazyDuz18 9 месяцев назад

good arcade action

@aroaro20022 9 месяцев назад

In GT7 you don’t really see what is around the corner, lmao

@KikuraKun 8 месяцев назад

@@aroaro20022You're just looking ahead of that corner. I can exit the corner better than the fluid camera Forza has. I prefer the fluid camera in an arcade game, but not on sim.

@JBsoloman5000 9 месяцев назад

I dont think its physics - to me it looks like chase camera movement, if you play at .25 speed and look at the background, as car straightens out, the background movement decreases and vice versa. But it does look like this chase camera effect is a bit too much. In FM7 it was not only tied to steering, but also to car speed so you whould feel like you drive away and straighten chase camera, this time its more focused on steering and less on speed. At least thats how it looks like to me. Can you test what happens if you drive backwards and then turn 90 degrees, and then move forward in opposite direction? How does it look? Anyway you could also compare this to wheel, would be easier to understand.

@iKonniikk 9 месяцев назад

Exactly this, its a camera pov thing, not a car handling thing... The ending with the slides is 100% the driver yanking the handbreak, which was evident from the full video where you could see the inputs and notice the slide starts with no throttle or braking inputs

@solowundesignsbysamdavis9043 9 месяцев назад

In GT you’ll NEVER see the back end come out because the camera is locked to the car.

@VariantAEC 9 месяцев назад

Not true at all. When the camera points at the wall and your turning the opposite direction... the car's back-end slipped out. The chase cam does it's job you just read it differently because you just have difficulty reading the pretty simple information the chase cam provides. Many games even arcade games have cameras less dramatic than GT games and some like NFS Shift had cameras almost as dramatic as Driveclub's. Honestly that kind of was a gripe I had about Driveclub, its very slippery chase cam. Granted FM is well between the stiffness of GT's chase cam and way less loose than Driveclub's. If it's to your preference, great.

@spiderenigma2803 9 месяцев назад

not see but feel, its the point of the controller

@rudyg323 9 месяцев назад

I have always liked the camera work in Forza games. Even the bounces and breaks feel better.

@bagoesharis6288 9 месяцев назад

Me too, but kinda boring for me

@uhnogood 8 месяцев назад

Forza feels like a chuck e cheese arcade racer with Rewinds for the kids.

@icepop77 9 месяцев назад

lift-off oversteer is a thing for FWD cars, but you shouldn't see any oversteer on power.

@Buggins 9 месяцев назад

I used to own a '19 civic type R and you could absolutely get the back to step out quite a way under lift off and it would feel like you were drifting until the front pulled you out. Mine also just had the stock suspension and while it was stiffish it definitely moved more like FM's than the locked flat look of GT7 when bombing.. uhh.. carefully driving around Petworths B roads. I never drove it with a stick either, which is definitely happening here. Honestly though the clip highlights one of my main issues with GT7.. it's so sterile, whatever is happening with handling under the hood in terms of driving handling/physics at times there it looks like the world is being rotated and moved around the car rather than being driven on. Its utterly unlike any driving I've ever done, let alone track time.

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

Damn why did you sell???!

@Buggins 9 месяцев назад

@Kireth kids dude. They are EXPENSIVE. Also I needed to fit more than golf clubs in the back.

@VariantAEC 9 месяцев назад

@@Buggins Physically unlikely. The car is front engine front-wheel drive. What could allow the car's back end to slip out? You mentioned "bombing"... as in "tearing up the street breaking through tough corners like a manic on city streets?" Yeah, I could see the back end trying slipping away coming down from a high speed under heavy breaking into a tight turn... That's not what's happening in the video. Just letting off the gas a little causes the back end to get away from you? If the car drove like that in real life... people wouldn't buy it.

@lemonmaster8933 9 месяцев назад

@@VariantAECReally? My Clio sport 172 thinks otherwise, the rear end is super slippery so I thought it was somewhat normal for the rear end to be sensitive to lift odd and braking in a short wheelbase car, Although I think the Honda civic in the video is a good chunk longer so idk.

@jonneperola3511 9 месяцев назад

I think what you're experiencing is a combination of many things. To me it seems that the oversteer occurs on the corner entry when the weight transfer lifts the rear. I don't know about the modern Type R's but weren't at least the old ones set up like that to counter some of that FF understeer? It also seems that the controller inputs are more harsh on the steering + the driver over steers, brakes etc. That oversteer nudge at 5:15 is imho just the driver playing with hand brake. Also the Civic on GT doesn't seem stock... Is that wing for example giving more downforce keeping the rear in check? What else has been done to it? Add the looser camera underlining these and you have what you see. There are no doubt differences but I wouldn't go to detail before feeling it myself.

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

Very good insight!!

@Kinna39 9 месяцев назад

Is that the back end sliding out? Or is it the difference in chase camera rigidity? GT chase cam is very rigid whereas the Forza one is quite loose. The car still looks understeery to me despite the camera moving

@chiefflash 8 месяцев назад

Sounds like a GT fanboy

@Goosewitdajuice317 2 месяца назад

Forza fruit cake coping

@jacksimpson8022 9 месяцев назад

as a wheel user, forza motorsport is great, much better then the past games, feels super good, and i only use a basic logitec wheel

@allovertheplacestevie9523 9 месяцев назад

🤦‍♂Mate, when u learn more about car physics, play FM again, the coin will finally drop 4 ya & you'll legit never go back to GT!!!!

@LG1ikLx 8 месяцев назад

Forza has found a sweet spot for physics. If they made it a full SIM like GT then it would alienate allot of fans of the series. If T10 wanted to make a proper sim then it would make more sense to create a new IP.

@MrAshbash85 9 месяцев назад

Looks like the camera moving as opposed to the actual car... maybe...? I have gt7 and love it with my VR2. Equally im excited to Forza too!

@kubeanie18 9 месяцев назад

typical gt

@lewishowel4288 9 месяцев назад

I dunno, if were talking actual racing game, going towards sim, then who actually uses the behind the car view?

@gilangthehuman7713 9 месяцев назад

I mean usually use it to have some fun/enjoy the car or not in a mood to be serious

@lordadz1615 9 месяцев назад

Supergt and casuals usually

@marcodellemonache7821 9 месяцев назад

i think the difference is the camera. (which i personally dislike in gran turismo, gives me motion sickness). forza's cam won't follow the car trajectory. it's just an optical effect. i really can't see the civic's back sliding

@benedikt9390 9 месяцев назад

I hated this in every Forza game before. I heard once racing driver said that the cars in FM4 to FM7 behaved exactly the other way then you would expect them to. For example oversteering with an Fwd car. I still hope its only the camera movement in FM8 now but i have doubts

@cubetamalvada893 8 месяцев назад

It's the camera.

@shovsoft 9 месяцев назад

What you're observing is the camera rotation interpolation, if you want to do a more accurate comparison for body roll you need to view it from a bonnet cam which is attached to the car rigidly. I've done a lot of work on vehicle camera systems and the camera has a HUGE impact on your apparent perceptions of how the physics is behaving. The Forza Camera rotation interpolation is not as tight as GT7 and this makes it look a lot more loose.

@alexgreg152 9 месяцев назад

This video has 504 likes for 1.2k dislikes...

@jamesmarr5196 8 месяцев назад

How u know? It doesn’t tell me I’m on my phone

@alexgreg152 8 месяцев назад

@@jamesmarr5196 I use a different youtube called youtube vanced. It has multiple options and one of them is to bring yt dislikes back.

@shadow78423 8 месяцев назад

@@jamesmarr5196plug in add on in the PC browser that allows you to see dislikes

@robm2630 8 месяцев назад

Every gran turismo feels the same, never really feel like body rolls .

@Khosumi 9 месяцев назад

cockpit cam > chase cam. Complaining about physics accuracy, but using chase cam, seems silly to me. Especially if we're going to argue for a wheel.

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

GT World Series champions use chase cam

@VariantAEC 9 месяцев назад

@@Kireth All of them?

@Khosumi 9 месяцев назад

@@Kireth Appeal to authority isn't a strong argument. Any serious racing player will know the benefits of using cockpit cam. It's just a weak point.

@JohnnyBoy4 9 месяцев назад

Annoyig thing with GT is there should be more than 16 cars. By the end of the first few corners, theres usually only 13 ish players left making it a pretty small race if you get pushed or punted off.

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

Madness really on PS5

@flaw3dgenius222 9 месяцев назад

@@KirethBut then you remember...PD 😢

@cameronb3834 9 месяцев назад

GT7 has up to 20 positions.

@dreamgame7 9 месяцев назад

Lo molesto es que Forza tenga la mitad de circuitos que gt7 de salida unos 20 solamente y de los cuales 9 ya salían en anteriores Forza. Normal que puedan hacer un mejor entorno de circuitos si dedican más implicación en los pocos que hay. Es lamentable. Prefiero Horizon 5.

@Don_Juan1820 9 месяцев назад

Play nascar lol you get 40 😂

@onimuri 9 месяцев назад

GT7 vs FM7, GT7 is definitely more realistic in terms of handling and physics. I'm hoping FM comes back and makes it feel better.

@secretservice291 9 месяцев назад

Yes, until you hit a fence, the realism of the physics of the GT is gone 😏.

@spiderenigma2803 9 месяцев назад

@@secretservice291 we dont talk about the Suzuki here, it doesnt exist, it cant fly it, cant hurt u

@Revenuzhiie 8 месяцев назад

@@secretservice291if you are going to talk about fance you should play BeamNG and then tell which one is more real on crashes...

@nitopygameplays 9 месяцев назад

Dude, loosen that camera in the settings. It helps a lot. The fixed camera can be loosened a bit in gt.

@FooFighter477 9 месяцев назад

Looks more like a camera difference. Forza camera has some inertia to display what angle your car is turning at to make it more understandable. Meanwhile GT7 camera is much more tightly locked to where the car is actually directed. Would be very interesting to see actual differences in physics.

@m-dlg9272 9 месяцев назад

GT games will always challenge you while playing that always results in getting better overtime. FM has always been arcade feeling (more fun and less challenging)

@Joshua-by4dc 8 месяцев назад

Gran Turismo and Forza motorsport are equally unrealistic

@m-dlg9272 8 месяцев назад

@@Joshua-by4dc thank you captain obvious, they are both a game

@Joshua-by4dc 8 месяцев назад

@@m-dlg9272 stop playing dumb, you know what I mean, Forza motorsport and Gran Turismo are both simcade, Assetto Corsa, iracing and even beamng drive are true sims with much more realistic physics

@792bnz 8 месяцев назад

@@Joshua-by4dcgran turismo acquires real drivers from their championships. Maybe it's not real to you but what about those kids that went from logitech g series wheels to the racing seat?

@NitroStarGT 9 месяцев назад

I see what you are saying, but the rear of car camera in GT7, as it is in mine also, makes the car looks like it is on a monorail train. It's plum silly looking. I cannot wait to try it myself. Currently trying the sport mode in GT7 today after single player for months LOL. Free multiplayer weekend

@user-vq9zk3xo4h 6 месяцев назад

The problems you mention regarding camera and car handling in Forza motorsport vs GT 7 can be solved using hacks for now. But they are not that stable. But the developers of Forza motorsport listen to their users. And it will be resolved in the next updates. And stable throughout the game.

@Kireth 6 месяцев назад

true lets see!!

@user-vq9zk3xo4h 6 месяцев назад

?@@Kireth

@user-vq9zk3xo4h 6 месяцев назад

I @@Kireth

@user-vq9zk3xo4h 6 месяцев назад

You don't want to know the difference between high spec PC versus PS5 yet. Then you would have preferred to buy an x box x. It doesn't even come close to a high spec PC. Despite the higher specs of xbox x. Ps5 is not close at all between the two.@@Kireth

@Mohashm 9 месяцев назад

It’s the cameras, in gt7 it’s locked, in fm it has more wiggle space

@lincolnpreuit6993 9 месяцев назад

I would expect a front wheel drive to skin more so to me it feels like Forza is a bit more accurate. Because the back of the car is getting pulled therefore it would sway more

@FighTThePower. 9 месяцев назад

Wrong I drive a fwd and it doesn't behave like that even going full speed around corners

@helmetculture 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, you got this one wrong mate.

@Guiltycircle486 8 месяцев назад

I don’t really get his point tbh

@Welsh_Veteran_420_Z 8 месяцев назад

How can you not mention the locked camera on Gran Turismo? It's so bad I can't play 3rd person camera

@ZoltanKovacs-sn1id 9 месяцев назад

Gt7 rotate the whole background, and because of that you think your car just stay in one place

@liandevilliers3440 9 месяцев назад

Also with the Diffs in these type R's the rear does come out, Honda is amazing with FWD cars, would like to see a comparison with a open diff fwd car.

@aureliandragomir2731 9 месяцев назад

Yes, we are talking about the camera, not the physics. The single reason why I didn't buy gt7 was the camera which feels like a static image dragged on the screen which makes me feels like playing a 2D game. FM look very good, can't wait to try it.

@FighTThePower. 9 месяцев назад

Try first person gran Turismo is unmatched

@Kacpa2 9 месяцев назад

@@FighTThePower. Doesnt change the fact that chase came in all GT games after GT3 is awful.

@FighTThePower. 9 месяцев назад

@@Kacpa2 yeah not denying that it's ass I always just do the cockpit view

@BrokeSimRacer-A110 8 месяцев назад

You can change the wobbliness of the camera in the settings

@Revenuzhiie 8 месяцев назад

Yo can change the camara Near or Far on third person.

@Mr.Bamboozl 9 месяцев назад

1:42 anyone knows what’s the music is playing?

@user-zi3qg9zq8p 8 месяцев назад

I did not play motorsport but I remember what made me crazy in arcade version forza horizon 4 is a wheel dead zone which you couldn't get rid of, it clearly manifested on low speed, the car do nothing until some point and then suddenly do overturn that made you in a constant tense to get a car precisely in line or to keep a small rotation by doing jiggle left and right, it feels like it doesn't apply the first 2 degrees but then suddenly applies 3 instead of 1. Much love to GT BTW

@WaveCommotion 8 месяцев назад

This is pure clickbait🗿 third person cameras has nothing to do with physics. Forza kept casual players happy with a non stiffed camera to enjoy the game and not even sim players would use the third camera so why be so concerned about it lol

@eduartorres5787 9 месяцев назад

Gran Turismo in the curves it seems that the screen moves and the car is not moving. It's the worst thing you have, it takes away all the sensation of movement

@nintendoconvert4045 9 месяцев назад

💯!!!!

@chanjacky8096 9 месяцев назад

concur!!! one of the big problems that i don't want to play gt7 anymore these days..

@siphobrisloks8133 3 дня назад

You don't play GT because of the camera? That's the most superficial preference I've heard in my entire life

@Guitarsoulmadness 9 месяцев назад

No first person view + no wheel used = This video has no sense.

@davidhess3320 9 месяцев назад

To me and I feel some or most would disagree. -Forza motorsports you see the actual car move, the rear end kick out, you see the bumps and dips, the acceleration and deceleration. Basically you can see the cars attitude or character. - GT7 you cant see a lot, your rear end stays stationary no matter how much movement you make. Think of it as driving on rails. Can't see no attitude or much movement of the car. The way turning in GT7 is you 100% would've kicked the rear end out When you're going in a corner at speeds in a fwd of course the rear end kicks out. Lift over steer is a real thing Both are good games but bashing one game because your used to another games physics is why your having problems

@beyond72deepsoulfulhousemixes 9 месяцев назад

GT might have good physics, but that chase cam is horrific!

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

crimes against cameras

@Delimon007 9 месяцев назад

Maybe because you're not supposed to be using the chase cam?

@3mileisland516 9 месяцев назад

Kireth PLEASE can you fix your chase cam settings in the in-race display settings?? 🙏🙏 Chase View Camera Sensitivity should be set to '1' (the lowest). This makes the chase cam look WAYYYY more dynamic and interesting to watch!! 🙏🙏 PD should have it set that way by default but they didn't for some reason.... 🤦‍♂️ Cheers!

@SpaniardNL 9 месяцев назад

Hold up, I never knew, you can actually fix the sterile stiff chase cam in GT? It's the main reason I don't play the game on controller, because it's so bad, and it still missing clutch input on controller. Although, making it less sensisitive would suggest it getting even stiffer, but I understand you're saying it acts reversed?

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

Yo coming soon!!

@Pinsonneaultmotorsports 9 месяцев назад

When people say GT7 is good is so funny. The one thing I was very disappointed was that you didn’t get prize cars. Removed content from previous games Dream car championship All star championship Race of red emblem Legend of the silver arrow 80s sport car cup And a bunch more Look up GT critic for this info. He has a hole video about this

@Dauntlessimracing 9 месяцев назад

I play FM7 on wheel to get extra rotation in Forza you lift off the gas plus the wheel input is definitely muted compared gt7 on Forza lifting off the gas makes the car step out

@Notepad123 9 месяцев назад

I have high hopes for Forza but I’m nervous it’s going to be too arcadey. All I want is a proper racing game. If it’s not then I’ll be getting a PlayStation and GT7

@uspnightfire115 9 месяцев назад

Will definitely be too arcady, just like every other Forza. You'll have a lot more fun mastering GT7 as it actually gives good feedback on understeer and oversteer and feels more like a car should.

@hybridAbsol 9 месяцев назад

@@uspnightfire115 GT always been "realistic" in terms of physics, Forza on the other hand just put 70% of it only

@Mcfigg 9 месяцев назад

Gt7 is arcadey sucks …get ACC

@zak8866 9 месяцев назад

@@uspnightfire115don't say that "I want a sim" bullshit then go play gran turismo lmao , neither are sims, you want a sim? Go play acc

@zak8866 9 месяцев назад

Noway you said gt7 is a proper racing game lol , microtransactions , dead single player offerings, always online, very japanese biased car list, terrible chase camera , I like gt7 but it's so overrated

@epet13 9 месяцев назад

It looks like camera effects to me to make the game look less stiff compared to GT7, GT7 looks like the track is moving around a stationary car

@rafal2675 9 месяцев назад

GT7 is smoke and mirror. They have a huge lens distortion that starts from the center low of the screen to the edge of the screen. That's why you see that motion effect when the car is taking a corners. Plus the camera tends to jump if you hit a corner. The car is doing basically nothing.

@VariantAEC 9 месяцев назад

@@rafal2675 What?

@ShadyPaperclips 9 месяцев назад

@@rafal2675 You Forza fanboys are actually stupid like omg

@PitBullet 8 месяцев назад

I dont think its the camera bc u can also feel the behavior in cockpit, ive always had a problem with forzas physics vs gt, forza always feels exaggerated and too loose, ive been experiencing what u showed for years now, gt has always felt more grounded n on point.

@MalkyTalky 9 месяцев назад

People keep mentioning the camera but thats not what he's talking about. Look at the back end of the car. It has bizarre movement.

@JeremyLouisGaming 9 месяцев назад

This is honestly my issue with GT7. The camera, i always feel like I’m controlling the track rather than the car. Gran Turismo games always feel extremely outdated, like the really old school racers where the car is staying completely still but the track is moving.

@XxSniperFiendxX 9 месяцев назад

I actually had the same opinion till I saw the civic type r lap on the Nurburgring and it was getting tail happy which was crazy so I gave Forza the pass for now..

@oktc68 8 месяцев назад

If realistic driving is your goal then maybe look at some sims? All the big names in sim racing offer a more genuine experience than simcade/arcade games of this ilk.

@Kireth 8 месяцев назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HT9fibDgM9U.html

@ChriZzly1337 9 месяцев назад

The only thing i see here, that GT seems to be more arcade and forza is more realistic.

@myclownshoe02 8 месяцев назад

Being an owner of the exact model of Type R in the Forza comparison, the car is absolutely tail happy at speed in corners, lifting off the accelerator and sometimes even when not. This tells me that Forzas physics are considerably more realistic.

@jatr1x701 9 месяцев назад

gt7 chase cam is horrible, literally unplayable for me

@hudsonja 9 месяцев назад

I always played all of the Forza Horizon games with chase cam. I hadn't played a GT game since GT3 because I didn't have a PlayStation for many years til I got a PS5, but now I only play GT7 in cockpit or hood view, and I can't go back. I have not played any Forza Motorsport games since 3, so I am not sure how I would have played those, but chase cam doesn't work for me anymore in the more "sim" type games.

@ESKATEUK 9 месяцев назад

Who even uses chase cam? I can’t stand GT7 but chase cam is for kids

@seanjohn242 9 месяцев назад

I agree chase cam is trash. If they make it like forzas I’ll use it more but I use hood view or cockpit

@StarkevTL 9 месяцев назад

Bros you can change the chase cam parameters in the settings

@hollywoodkid9195 9 месяцев назад

When the game was showcased with gameplay racing the corvette and the Cadillac hybrid LMDh car, it was showed as a bumper car game 😆 it’s like the game is promoting dirty driving by just crashing into other cars in the corners. That’s not racing 😂 You don’t see kazunori intentionally crashing into other cars when he’s showing a GT game or in real life.

@64fairlane305 8 месяцев назад

If this car has a stock suspensoin it should move a lot, if tuned..??

@stevebuscemi3622 9 месяцев назад

Forza is combining GT4 and GT3 cars im the same class again as they did in FM7. The cayman GT4 was quicker than the GT3 RSR. Like why?

@zak8866 9 месяцев назад

It's a simcade console game lol , doesn't have to be lifelike

@stevebuscemi3622 9 месяцев назад

@@zak8866and yet GT7 has an entire lineup of GT4 cars, forza will always be a clownshow

@zak8866 9 месяцев назад

@stevebuscemi3622 okay?!? What's your point? Gt7 is very bad in some areas too , but you don't see me trashing on it for no reason

@mujtabahasan97 9 месяцев назад

This is exactly why I moved to PlayStation 4 from Xbox One back then. Cars in GT are stable and closer to real driving than FM.

@iammaestro895 9 месяцев назад

Ahahaha😂😂😂😂😂😂 🤡

@funk0515 9 месяцев назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@FighTThePower. 9 месяцев назад

@@BillyBobb911stay salty gran Turismo is meant for people who know how to properly drive

@BillyBobb911 9 месяцев назад

@@FighTThePower. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that is the funniest comment I have heard in a long time. Please tell me why you have come to this conclusion I need more comedy in my life

@FighTThePower. 9 месяцев назад

@@BillyBobb911 it's sad you can't show a valid argument just spam emojis thinking u made a point I can drive a car I own in the game and have it move exactly as it does in real life full throttle through corners trail breaking tires squealing and everything

@midgimidgi 7 месяцев назад

I tried using my moza wheel on Motorsport 8 and it would auto steer and could t be turned off. Had 0 assist on and it still auto steered. Deleted it.

@PiotrekSzostak 8 месяцев назад

I always play with the bumper camera and I haven't noticed it there, but I did notice that Forza seems just overall easier to play. I really struggled at the beginning with GT7 and Forza lets me be a hero straight away. All driver aids disabled in both cases

@charlesanderson1321 7 месяцев назад

are you good at tuning your cars and in game settings?

@PiotrekSzostak 7 месяцев назад

@@charlesanderson1321 not really sadly - I understand what they are on the list and what each of them does in theory as I'm a petrolhead more than a gamer, but I'm not on the level of understanding the game physics and feeling them through a plain vanilla PS4 controller that I would able to say "ok, I've got too much high speed corner underster, I need to change this and that"

@StarChaser027 8 месяцев назад

Nah Forza will never be GT...GT is far superior to Forza.

@792bnz 8 месяцев назад

Facts

@itskaspahoe7161 9 месяцев назад

Never liked GT. Always felt stiff.

@StarChaser027 8 месяцев назад

You can change the lock on the camera

@Rigs-wp3bg 5 месяцев назад

U can set the camera to do the same in gt7 - close anyway.

@yrrr4871 9 месяцев назад

Why does GT7 cam look so wide?

@ThaDutchDK1989 9 месяцев назад

You gt fanboys are always so obsessed with what Forza does and what it needs it’s just comical. I went from gt3-4 to Forza 2 and never looked back. They are 2 different games and they don’t need to have to similar physics. Forza people like me know what Forza needs and that’s the physics from Forza 2-6 . Gt fans don’t know what Forza needs, so save your energy. I always look at videos of new gt games but I never react cause it’s not the game I buy anyway. Maybe you gt boys need stop saying what Forza needs ..

@mitchelmarvin8040 9 месяцев назад

Pony’s are sad folk unfortunately

@Dzasmina2304 9 месяцев назад

I really like the graphics in Forza, it looks more real than Gt7

@andreasmoller9798 9 месяцев назад

Except for the cars that looks more real in gt7

@theportugueselegend 9 месяцев назад

I used to think the same. Forza makes you feel like there's real tarmac and cars are more mechanic, but lacks a thing you can't "fake". A soul. Gran turismo has a soul, you can see the details and the smoothness of the game

@rcplayground7 9 месяцев назад

I absolutely hate how the camera is "stiff" in Grand Turismo

@thebolt76 8 месяцев назад

Having played FM i feel the FF cars have under steer under acceleration with the front end pushing and the back end doesn't step out at all. But I play in cockpit view.

@MrFlashU174OYE 9 месяцев назад

GT always has better car models and better driving physics dont think thats gonna change anytime soon wish Forza just preview their games without the driving aid racing lines on, constantly seeing it on in all the Forza promo makes my blood boil but then again this game is steered towards more casual peeps than hardcore sim players hence the reason why the chase cam is so dramatic but as for me and most hardcore guys we play cockpit or any other camera but chase cam

@noteasybeingweezy 9 месяцев назад

Why do the Forza cars seem too narrow?

@hybridAbsol 9 месяцев назад

Some of the tracks in GT7 looked narrower as well Like SPA GP and Mount Panorama, they werent narrow in GRID which was realistic

@markuschief4472 9 месяцев назад

Different camera angle. More from above. That's the far cam. There's a close cam that looks more like GT7

@noteasybeingweezy 9 месяцев назад

@markuschief4472 Look at the roof of the vehicle. The angle isn't going to make the left look as wide as the right. It doesn't work like that. Unless it's a fish eye lens which makes no sense to have.

@azhurelpigeon 9 месяцев назад

@@noteasybeingweezyYes it is the angle and zoom on the camera

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

fov

@redhed5309 8 месяцев назад

the more recent GT games feel much more realistic then the arcade feeling of Forza and I feel its always felt that way .personally I'm much more a fan of GT with its realistic driving than the arcade feeling of Forza .it all comes down to preference on how you like to play

@nonyabizz3533 7 месяцев назад

Forza is what Driveclub was trying to be. Same Simcade theme imo

@grimmako4879 9 месяцев назад

Thank you every time I go to brake the ass end of the car gets happy and messes me up and spins me out with the type r or older focus rs

@emailring 9 месяцев назад

To compare them you need first show the game settings

@Christian-pw5ws 9 месяцев назад

On GT7 looks like the track is moving and the car is static. Meanwhile on Forza looks like you are actually moving over the track. I played a lot GT Sport and the chase cam is awful, I had to use the bumper cam because I didn’t like the cockpit cam either.

@mraravind1111 9 месяцев назад

The Honda in motorsport, like a well-coordinated sledge, appears to be gracefully sliding through the snow.

@SDRIFTERAbdlmounaim 9 месяцев назад

why didn't you split the screen in half equally ?

@wordsshackles441 9 месяцев назад

Finally a guy who makes sensical remarks. At 5:43 you can see the civic literally power drift with the throttle. It’s ridiculous. 😂 You are wrong about the graphics though, GT is in a completely different league. It is not fanboyism to praise a vastly superior product over an other.

@hexdrinker4972 9 месяцев назад

Its just the camera, nothing to do with the physics, clearly a bias GT fan making stuff up

@Z4N7 8 месяцев назад

Clearly forza fanboy coming to defend it.🙄

@Delimon007 9 месяцев назад

I don't know what you guys are talking about he is 100% right. That's not the camera that is how the car is driving. Forza physics have far too much slip especially when it comes to driving on a wheel and correcting oversteer. Go play a real racing game like AC or iRacing and use a FF car and you will learn just how much understeer you get in these cars under acceleration. The only way these cars will oversteer is if you tune them to do so and if you do that you are obliterating your front tyres if they weren't already being destroyed just by being an FF going ham. FFs are stable cars, not oversteering unpredictable messes. Edit: Also just play in cockpit view, completely eliminates the argument of "it's the camera guys!" It's not the camera, this is how the cars are handling in-game. Forza cars are HIGHLY unpredictable, they were unpredictable in FM7 and even more so in FM8. They still have not removed the mid corner understeer at all in FM8 which is trashing the physics.

@ScottXC91 8 месяцев назад

I think what you're seeing is the camera shifting in Forza. Which I'm now realizing is what I've always hated about Gran Turismo but could never quantify it. The camera in GT reminds me of someone who's hurt their neck and can't turn their head. Also, FWD cars do oversteer on corner entry. It's called "lift-off oversteer." I've always said the only people who think GT has better physics, are people who have absolutely o idea about driving.

@Kim_Anderzzon 8 месяцев назад

Finally someone's talking about what matters in a sim racing game!

@Kireth 8 месяцев назад

Yes!!!

@Rich-pj9wv 9 месяцев назад

The game has variable physics depending on who is reviewing it. Much like any other racing sim.

@RayRiv73 9 месяцев назад

Are both these videos played with a wheel? Or is forza with a controller and GT7vwith a wheel? Also the gt7 typer has a custom wing, so is it modified and the forza type r stock?

@Kireth 9 месяцев назад

very good questions Ray!!

@thepaywall7900 9 месяцев назад

I wouldn't call FM weird it is unique ill give it that but they are different games with different engines. Wish I could try GT7 but I don't have a ps5 however, from what I could see though is GT7 does look stiffer when you went into a corner the cam looked rigid rather than a slight shift so that creates a bit of illusion of sway.

@vMaxHeadroom 9 месяцев назад

Sorry but they will always be some movement. GT looks like it is on rails...

@deathtrooper2048 9 месяцев назад

To me, it's looks stronger due to camera (to me the camera simulates the actual sense of speed and Gs during the turning and braking better than GT). Also what about rear wheel drive and all wheel drive cars? Front wheel drive sucks.