MGSV's Biggest Mystery FINALLY Revealed By Leaked Script? 

Don't touch that dial now, we're just getting started. You can't trust the tap water. 204863 Look behind you. I said, look behind you

I have 2 videos about the lie as well, I hope you would consider looking at them for I'd like to hear your input. I personally don't think Big Boss was there for MGSV, MG, or MG2. I think it was Venom all the way. Either that, or Venom is nothing more than a split personality of Big Boss caused by the physical and mental trauma. But yea I can't wait to see more 🍻

dude for a moment you made me think kojima passed away

​@ignagus77 maybe he did?

@@the_marverakhe’s making a new game

@Eli-mb5wd nah He died 9 years ago this ain't hideo he's video the real ones doppelganger

@@the_marverak lmao

*kaz* : It's like they are still here.. you feel it too don't you?

@@DamienCloud The body i've lost.. the comrades i've lost!.. Just.. wont stop hurting.

THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN DIFFLE

Would be something... that they announce something after a 9 year coma...

9 years later MGS Delta is revealed.

Dad was such a drag. Every day he'd eat the same kind of food, dress the same, sit in front of the same kind of games... Yeah, he was just that kind of guy. But then one day, he goes and kills us all! He couldn't even be original about the way he did it. I'm not complaining... I was dying of boredom anyway, But guess what? I will be coming back, and I'm bringing my new toys with me

@@Astartes-6969 That is what the teachers teach in school nowaways.

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​@@Astartes-6969source?

Nice citation bro​@@davidilling6850

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Phantom Burgers.

@@RoadSparrowNOOOOOO!

this should be the top comment

Oh shit

"Kaz'z burgers were never real." "THEY'RE REAL TO ME!"

Considering ocelot knows everything and is usually on top of everything he said it that way as if he was only just another soldier receiving orders from above to not arouse suspicion and to gain venoms trust. He “created the facts” to fit a certain narrative

*Hides in there with you while drinking secret tea* “don’t worry I wasn’t followed, I think?” *secret sip*

He's the real XOF

Keep cooking brother!

That's a wild theory but it actually makes a lot of sense. 100% a Kojima style mindfuck twist

I've always thought something similar to the "VR after MG2" part of your post. What Kojima seems to have been going for, to have intended, was basically for MGSV to be about an extremely mentally damaged (his mind fractured, trouble remembering who he is, full of guilt, regret, hate and sadness) Big Boss (likely sometime after 1999) undergoing a sort of VR "phantom pain therapy" (that mirror-based therapy where people experience a visual illusion of still having a limb that was lost) intended to keep him together mentally, and that "Venom" and "Skull Face" are just two sides of himself, two _characters_ embodying aspects of himself, that he's "imagining"; neither of them existing as individual real humans. And so, none of the events in MGSV ever happened but rather they're a sort of jumbled-together mixture of various things based on real events and real experiences in Big Boss's life over a long period of time. For example in reality BB was with Sniper Wolf, a physically real human in BB's real life; in the "phantom pain therapy" VR, his memory of SW manifested as a sniper and a wolf. And the children in Zanzibar and Outer Heaven (there were children there too) who BB coldly "saved" - quote: _"start a war, create victims, save them, train them, feed them back to the battlefield"_ - are manifested in his VR therapy as the children BB heroically rescues as his Venom persona (a character "created" by the comatosed BB within the VR, to _house_ the side of himself that's mostly good - Skull Face being his darker emotions and negative aspects of himself; SF is "evil" as he's the stuff in himself he dislikes, stuff he in his fractured mind sees himself as being in opposition against), both re-creating that _experience_ from his life and also dealing with the related guilt; in his VR being kinder and telling himself he's really helping them. So the "VR therapy" isn't a pre-written story or mission made by someone that BB is "playing", but rather it's something he himself created. He didn't make the VR software nor placed himself in the VR, but rather _what happens within the VR_ is his own creation. Similarly to what Otacon says about how AI can work within their universe: _"The Colonel is in part your own creation, cobbled together from expectations and experience."_ - the VR therapy is created/generated by BB in a similar manner; he, his memories and experiences - a lot of which we've _never seen_ as it was never in a game - are the source, what the VR content is based on. But Kojima was forced to "finish" MGSV too early and hence had to change the story, had to wrap the story up too early, so it was changed into what it became; into what we have now; Venom actually being real, SF actually being real, Venom actually being the Medic, all that nonsense, and the events in the MGSV story actually having happened (and let's be realistic: while Kojima has never said _"Yeah SF and Venom are real and you really do play the Medic"_ etc, that _is_ what the story was ultimately made into, it's what we're meant to think, and it _is_ what the vast majority of people think, and Kojima said about remaking MG and MG2 that their stories need to be "fixed" due to MGSV which of course must mean changing them to fit with MGSV, meaning, among other things, inserting Venom into them. So we can give up any hope Kojima will ever confirm what the MGSV story was intended to be, something he'd never do anyway - not even if the majority of players were questioning the story and thinking it's not real etc, which they don't; the vast majority take MGSV at face value and think the characters and events are real). That, essentially, has always seemed like the most logical and most obvious reasons why MGSV is like it is. With the above in mind, MGSV makes sense. However while looking at MGSV this way brings clarity, it doesn't make MGSV any better nor is understanding the above particularly satisfying. More like the opposite; it's more sad and disappointing than anything else. Due to that, it's of course a "take" on MGSV which would upset many who think MGSV is truly finished (as intended) because Kojima is a perfect mastermind whose games are flawless and thus there can't be anything important missing or fundamentally wrong with MGSV and who wishfully believe there's some great secret to uncover which would fix MGSV by making everything perfectly fall into place, or people who _want more_ from MGSV and wish there was a way to get more out of the story. Which is probably why it's exceptionally rare to see what I wrote, to see this specific "take", mentioned online (actually have never seen it; have seen some stuff vaguely similar, and just once or twice something _pretty_ similar - Big Boss being in a sort of VR therapy - but then it was missing the _"this was the intention, but later the story was changed"_ aspect). Because it's boring and can't be used as some "fun theory", as it means MGSV is hopelessly broken since it isn't what it was meant to be and never will become what it was meant to be; knowing/understanding the above stuff means knowing there's no more story to uncover, no grand realization to come to, no special Kojima-approved "interpretation" to figure out that fits perfectly with MGSV as it is. Most people who question MGSV try to make sense of it in a way that "saves" the game and makes it better. Many try hard to invent all sorts of theories to fix the broken tangled mediocre mess of MGSV and straighten it out into something neatly ordered and amazing - an impossible task; nobody has and nobody will succeed in doing so, as MGSV is both something _it was_ and something _it became_ simultaneously. Should clarify and underscore what I wrote above is simply _what I got_ from MGSV; it seemed fairly obvious _that_ - in essence - was Kojima's intention but he couldn't fully realize it; ultimately the story had to change. So I want to be clear it's not some "theory" I invented or even some "solution" I thought up for the sake of "solving" MGSV. It's simply what I got from the game, simply my impression. Like I said I've never seen anyone say exactly what I wrote above, however I'm absolutely sure many other players must've gotten the same or a very similar impression, reached the same or a very similar conclusion. Regarding SF having been intended to be (an aspect of) BB, a few things are worth mentioning. First some rarely mentioned things. Skull Face talks about making weapons in a factory and being burned as a result of planes bombing the factory. Big Boss's factory of Outer Heaven was making weapons of mass destruction - Metal Gear and nukes - and NATO planes bombed the place. Black Ninja in MG2 says: _"After you destroyed Metal Gear, NATO launched a massive bombing campaign against Outer Heaven. There was no escape from the flames... All of us, and the children of Outer Heaven... died like animals in a cage."_ and Skull Face says: _"The factory was all I had. All the world I knew. Then one day, aircraft came droning in from some far-off sky. The factory was bombed. Some spies told them we were making weapons. The building burned. We tried to flee outside. The exit was blocked. The smoke of the people burning filled me up. Hot. So hot. My skin would never feel anything again. This face would be burned again... Those spies reported well - we made weapons all right."_ and regarding "burned again"; Solid burns him with a makeshift flamethrower in MG2. That Skull Face is wearing a masquerade mask implies he isn't who he appears to be on the surface, that his identity is _masked,_ unknown, hidden. Giving Skull Face's design a mask was very likely inspired by Snatcher. If you haven't played it, don't read any Snatcher articles nor watch anything as it's super easy to get devastatingly spoiled. All the fun is the story and solving the mysteries, puzzles, piecing things together in your head on your own. While it sucks having any game spoiled there's usually still the gameplay to have fun with, but there isn't much gameplay in Snatcher and Snatcher is nowhere near as fun to re-play vs experiencing it the first time. Once you know what happens, it's never even remotely the same again. In Snatcher there are various different kinds of instances with people _not being who they seem to be_ and people _hiding their identities_ and _things not being as they seem_ and stuff like that. It's like a _recurring theme_ which manifests itself in different ways throughout the game in various ways. That in of itself is relevant to MGSV in some ways. But more importantly there is in Snatcher a place called Outer Heaven. To get into Outer Heaven _you have to wear a mask._ And the people inside Outer Heaven are all are _wearing masks, hiding their identities._ So does _the guy who runs the place._ And before you get to Outer Heaven, someone talks about the place and says among other things: _"There's a masquerade club called Outer Heaven. It's like a big masquerade party. You gotta have a mask, or they won't let you in. Outer Heaven is popular with VIP's in a lot of high places."_ - Big Boss of course is a Very Important Person in the Metal Gear series, and someone in a "high place" when leading Outer Heaven. The little masquerade mask Skull Face wears is functionally - as a physical mask - utterly pointless and useless. So it makes no sense. However it makes perfect sense if it's there _for the player's sake_ as a sort of hint to make him wonder about the character's identity and sense the man behind the mask isn't "Skull Face" but someone else. Something much more well-known is how in the trailer "TPP LAUNCH" at 1:35 BB is depicted with the skullface paint and at 2:20 he's shown transforming into Skull Face and in the "E3 2015" trailer SF is talking about changing _while_ BB is walking and changing, making it seem as if it's BB talking about himself. Of course there are several other things connecting BB and SF.

Damn!

@@Azumangoloid Thank you for all of this. MGSV is mostly finished, no matter how much someone may not like it. The prologue was planned from the beginning as an epilogue and "Truth" as the final ending. Chapter 3: Peace is just an idea, a cutscene - World Peace is achieved by dismantling all the nukes in the FOB missions, but realistically it can't be achieved and that's the point, you can't achieve world peace because there's always someone who wants to own a nuke. Only the DLC - Episode 51: Kingdom of the Flies was cancelled. Things like Battle Gear were cut for balance. Other things like Big Boss' motorcycle as a reward for completing the story are up for debate. According to what Kojima said, MGSV is purposely designed as a never ending puzzle aka phantom pain, which each player has to interpret according to himself and each interpretation is the "truth" - canon and each player has to put a piece of himself into the game, thus making the story of whole MGS Saga - unique/different for each player and the player himself is the last piece of the whole puzzle, without which the Saga would not be complete. Kojima really created something that is only possible in games. And was his gift for every player. He literally makes us part of MGS story and its on us to complete it. Its very very hard concept too reallly understand it, but its just works.

Sadly yes .. veggie 🍔😔

at least the musics are real

Kojima did a fight club, venom, skull face, all Tyler durdans

That is a great theory. I believe that.

Sounds dumb. You encounter Gray Fox during Metal Gear and he looks nothing like the body double of Big Boss.

True, gray fox fought solid in mgs1 and then he fought venom which mean they are 2 persons ​@@akatsukicloak

That's a very old theory from before MGSV released. It wasn't a bad theory at all but it's been proven false. 100% Venom is NOT Gray Fox

@@akatsukicloak Seriously going to trust 8bit graphics for a body double?LMFAO!

What a good franchise gone to waste...

Hassan-i Sabbah was a real person

I loved Edward Kenway.

Paz was the villain of PW bro that's why BOSS I'm GZ doesn't care about her because she's Pacifica ocean, but venom constructs the hallucination of Paz at peace because venom only really knew the fake Paz persona and didn't experience her fall firsthand

@@cozbyv3 That's entirely possible as well, but if I recall from the cutscene that plays after paz falls into the river, big boss sounds really remorseful about what happened to her

@@captaindoom1983 BB has always had a tendency to forgive enemies. No wonder Ocelot had a trusted man and a relationship with Eva.

@@sol1dcs142 yk part of what makes his character so interesting is the sheer amount of discussion about him lmao

there's no mystery, it was a clever fourth-wall break in reference to the player since you can't smell things while playing video-games

​@@armorvildunno man, if I'm really into a game and play it for hours on end I can definitely start to smell things

@@SleepyHarryZzz You either convince yourself that you can smell things from behind the screen or experience mental phenomena like synesthesia. Either way it's just your brain.

@@ChadVulpes A) everything's just your brain B) it was a joke about my hypothetical hygiene after not moving from the computer for hours Either way you took a thing on the Internet at face value and now look silly for trying to correct someone

@@SleepyHarryZzz The joke went over my head, that's all.

That was one of my early theories ) He constructed this fake persona, just like Ocelot in MGS4, to lead Foxhound and Outer-Heaven at the same time. And then the phantom "die", during the events of MG1, just like Ocelot when Liquid took control of their body.

Yep, had this theory for years too and except for one French RU-vidr, (PadawamHD) I never heard anyone talk about it It’s weird that in 9 years, nobody made this theory mainstream

Not reliable theory very less supporting elements to it especially the truth mission and the sequel to Mgsv being mgs 1 and real big boss in Zanzibar land in mgs2 snakes revenge

This would make senese if we didn't literally see Big Boss at the end of the game.

​@@developwithhaider Snakes Revenge isn't canon at all MG2: Solid Snake is though

I'm pretty sure we always knew that. I know it would have given it away if we had Hayter voice Big Boss in Ground Zeroes, but I'm still a bit sore about it.

No it’s incorrect, at the end of the truth the Real Big Boss’s tape and video showing real boss with ocelot show us the same voice as that of Venom snake voice

@@chewu Fair enough, i never really put too much thought into it until i seen this vid

@@Fenrir_Aus now that I think of it, would have been good to have Hayter do the voice in GZ. A 9 year coma is a great excuse for a voice change, Big Boss did have a different voice at the end of MGS4. Oh well.

Everything in the game may or may not be real, like Skullface says in the game and it's narrative structure alludes, this is the anti metal gear metal gear game. Made to look and play exactly like one, but missing something, hence phantom pain. Game is complete.

On top of both of hose we know the game was never finished so who knows what else we would have to go on if it was.

@Jurglenuts pretty fishy, right around the 9 years mark we get the remake of the origin story of big boss?

@@kray9927 flip the Delta upside down it’s a V.

@@HupCapNinjanope, it’s not V.

@@HupCapNinjaThis isn’t a ‘MoM’ = ‘WoW’ situation. It’s a ‘A butt tuba’ situation.

Konami finds a way to create more hype... It's practically impossible to convince investors that hiding a new game from a franchise that no one is talking about is a good idea...

This thought process would invalidate mgs4.... seeing as you kill the original big boss in it.

I like that it leaves so much open for interpretation and I could see how this version would be true. Even though I like that Venom is his own person because it still a play on Bosses will. A soldier who is not genetically a prodigy, nor is somehow enhanced takes the mantle of Big Boss and carries on his will (and his memories). Somehow I think he even fulfilled Bosses will because he sacrificed his own life for Big Boss.

​@@AndrewovalI mean we don't really kill him..at least not directly or intentionally lol

Following that line, you would have to find a way to explain how Big Boss survived the first game...

@@Andrewoval In fact until mgs5, it was always considered just a Big Boss who managed to escape from Outer Heaven...

Ok, Python Selkan needs to read this comment

What sound do you mean?

The other side of that tape is not "the truth", it's the instructions for "mission intrude N313"

I agree, I think the storytelling via the audio tapes was a huge mistake . MGS fans love the heavy cutscenes

​@@krisbritwres394 💯

@krisbritwres394 literally like I'm playing MGS V: TPP and like it nice but I feel like there could be a few more cutscenes but the plot is crazy

@@somedubguy crazy enough for a 1 hour cutscene for sure

as a fan since i was 14, i have to disagree. tapes that i can listen to at my leisure and while i play are leagues better than having to set the controller down at all. i haven't been able to play mgs4 but i'm almost glad considering how much i hear about its cutscene lengths. ​@@krisbritwres394

I would bet that the content that can be confirmed from the tapes that can be confirmed in game (Sahelanthropus, for example) is true. While what cannot be confirmed (the Peace tapes, for example, which speak of the past that cannot be visited) can be contested. ps: of course, these are just theories. ps2: about Sahelanthropus, the tapes that speak to him before the fight takes place talk about capabilities that he possessed, and that just from the tapes, there would be no way for a snake to know...

Not to mention the music/headphones were attached to victims in the hospital in Africa. A curious parallel between the radios in Cyprus and Africa. No one has ever explained why.

@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures those were guinea pigs for the creation of the vocal cords parasite. The headphones were inserted directly into their throats to stimulate vibrations

@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures Didn't they explain that they use recordings to train the virus to a specific language ? iirc

@@Recals That's correct.

Part of what happens to Eli was made into a cutscene because Kojima left Konami before the game was finished.

didn’t kojima say it was complete in his eyes?

@@havi8-0-9 As complete as a game can be when there's meddling coming from Konami. Not like many people who used to work there were treated with much respect at all.

@@flamuralaj3302 ya im a lil new i heard that konami sucks

@@havi8-0-9 You should look into the working conditions of Konami's office way back. A place no one would wanna work if they knew about it ahead of time.

I still remember when the MGSV5 was first released there was a blog I don't know which, that said the game was supposed to have three Chapters The Desert of Afghanistan, the Jungle of Africa, and the Snow Blizzard of Siberia, before they rushed the game and force Kojima to release the game with the two chapters. The snow chapter is the last and is the same chapter in the story of the MGS1...that's why they have the metal gear Rex ended up in MGS1 and MGSV

Maybe Quiet really died in the prologue and naked Quiet was just an imagination.

@@FordzyS 😆

As said in the video, this tape is real since we see Venom acquire the tape directly. Not seeing it randomly pop in our inventory.

​@@Ofuyogow But that's the thing, we can't rely on ANYTHING Venom sees, hears, said, touched etc. We play through the eyes of an unreliable narrator so everything we experience can NOT be trusted.

@@identityinvalid7807 What if the real Venom snake was the friend we made along the way…

A certain black pseudo intellectual, huh? 😂

"Trending guy" you mean Terrence Howard? The ex actor of Ironman

@@bigcranium5172 hush don't you say mean things about DEI special man! He's the next Einstein.

Boss, that's the legendary soldier Terrence Howard. Extract him to mother base.

@@DesertCamoGaming didn't you learn the last time we brought a Kikongo speaker back to Mother Base? Don't you dare bring in another virus.

More like phantom trailer

Bro trying to gaslight us

That's an awesome way to look at it! That's one of the beauties of this game, there are millions of different interpretations and theories, even to this day and more tomorrow! And I'm here for it all! P.S. playing MGSV with the MGS3 camo and gear in preparation for Delta lol

Infinite. It feels like a chore to play.

@@BigBossGRthen don’t play it ?

@@narutocursemark didn't say I would? I answered a whole different question? Why are we finishing sentences with the wrong punctuation marks!

It was a masterpiece for me as soon as it released. Was everything i played for like 4 months

@@brotbrotsen1100 after I wrote that comment I went back and installed MGSV. I played 8 hours in a row that day. I think what really happened is I don't like MGSV as an MGS game. It just doesn't play, look or feel the same. It's like a totally different game to me. So after hating it for what it isn't, I think this time I just played it for the game play and not the story and it was good.

We're absolutely not saying Venom is Big Boss. Venom is still a Body Double, but everything we're experiencing is being interpreted by him, a brainwashed, unreliable narrator, so everyone should keep an open mind about the "Truth" mission, and the "Truth Tapes". Also, as we said in the video, this wasn't really a theory. We're simply showing what was written in the script - what developers had in mind behind Paz's tapes, which applies to any other magically-appearing tape. - P&S

That's the double-edged sword Kojima always puts us through. In order to enhance the "artistic" or "thematic" value of the game, he always makes it more convoluted and less satisfying to the gamers. Just like MGS2 when we had to play as Raiden and basically had a rehashed version of Shadow Moses instead of a completely fresh plot. And just like MGS4, when we were denied the opportunity to play as *normal* Solid Snake one last time and instead got Old Snake. MGSV again does this by ending the series even MORE complicated and with MORE unanswered questions than before! Kojima just loves fucking with people's expecations... no matter the cost.

Is it? Why?

Venom is Big Boss brainwashed to think that he is just a doppelgänger of himself - it's the ultimate puppeteer level punishment

​@@neontetsuoi have been saying this for dont know how long now

​@@neontetsuo Venom is Venom, he was made to believe that he was Big Boss believing to be Venom believing to be Big Boss.

@@jonasbravo7642 yeah but why in MGS 4 he dont have the horn

​@@SorcererOfDniprobecause in metal gear the first game solid Snake kills big boss but he in reality is venom Snake.

I don't think a complete hallucination but some of their behavior and maybe appearance Is. I think it's true that Venom is not Big Boss but the drugs and hypnotherapy didn't work properly combined with the trauma that put him in the coma caused his brain never function properly again so while the events of MGSV happened we're seeing them through the filter of a severely damaged mind that sometimes sees/hears things that are not there are sees/hears them differently then they really are.

@@GrimmShadowsII we actually extract the skull units body for research... If what he perceives about them is not entirely true then the research team would verify it... And also remember the first time we saw the skulls unit was not in phantom pain but in ground zeroes moving the way they do in phantom pain....

This! I already suspect "Physint" could actually be a new Metal Gear game. It would be an insane twist.

I Soo Want this to be true 😢

Thank you so much! 😊 We truly appreciate it 🙏 - P&S

@@PythonSelkan 🙌🏽I salute 🫡 to what you do for us MGS fans Big Boss would be proud

The “classified intel data” tape was a reference to what sound you would hear if you played a data cassette in an audio player. For instance, an MSX cassette in a SONY Walkman.

Which is the same sound as the "mission intrude n313" in tpp

So kind of like an Easter egg?

@@NickHuh86 more like a link to the mysteries in this game. Why does Skull Face have that tape or, if they're different tapes, why do they have the same kind of encryption?