A great video! It proves that hall of fame voting is not set in stones I do look at the basketball hall of fame with less reverence because of how it lets in ppl who really don’t fit that standard. And in Chauncey’s case it’s very confusing. He prob is a boderlkneline candidate. I actually like how you point out he was overshadowed by guys like iverson and kidd (both of whom should not have been in the hall-iverson because while he was fun was extremely overrated-kidd because of him being a cancer in the clubhouse and his domestic violence conviction ). So that should raise his profile as a candidate. However…the cons you pointed are equally strong. He’ll prob get in eventually, I mean Yao Ming is in the hall!
Chauncey is a better/more impactful player than a lot of HOFers. Those nuggets teams don’t have the success they had without Chauncey. 5 All Stars, 3-All NBA, 2 All Defense, a ring, and Finals MVP. Hes getting in
And Tony Parker was not a better player than Chauncey numbers lie. Numbers say that James Harden is greater and better than Tracy Mcgrady and I feel that T Mac is greater and better than Harden even with Hardens stats and awards.
I'm so glad you posted this.. me and another dude was going at it in one of your previous vids about this, Chauncey B. specifically. Just because ur a great player doesn't mean u couldn't have been better or that your growth wasn't stunted
Chauncey is my personal, all time favorite pg. His on court, demeanor, ability to run a team, defend his position, and just being a leader have always stuck out to me as a Piston fan. Once he found his grove, he always made the team he was on better. Needless to say, he's a HOF in my eyes and will definitely be in that group soon enough.
When I think about Chauncey, I think about Kyle Lowry, who had a very similar trajectory. It took both of them a while to become impact players, but, both eventually did, and I think both will be and should be HOFers.
Chauncey Billups is probably the greatest example of why being in the right situation is at least as important if not even more important, to reaching your full potential as a player, as having the talent and skills to do so. Chauncey bounced around the league and found a bit of success in Minny with KG, but was considered a disappointment if not a bust, until he got to Detroit and LARRY BROWN. IMO, Larry Brown is the greatest coach in the history of basketball. EVERYWHERE he's gone, college or pros (except for that dumpster fire with the Knicks in 04-05 and early 80's stint with Jersey) he's not only won, but changed the entire culture of his teams. David Thompson, Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson and Chauncey Billups all had some there greatest success under Brown. Back to Billups, once he was able to learn how to play the PG position the right way, the winning way, under Brown, peaking at being the FMVP of the 04 NBA championship against the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, Billups was a HOF level player for the remainder of his prime. When he got traded to the underachieving, undisciplined Nuggets for Allen Iverson in the 08-09 season, he LED that team (even tho Melo was the best player) to a WCF appearance in which they likely would have won the whole thing if it wasn't for that guy they called Mamba in LA.
The first three minutes are wasted rehashing the same point. I'd go with: Here's three reasons why they should induct Chauncey Billups and three reason against. Add in Damian Lillards two cents and move onto the featured content already. Whenever I'm buttonholed by a person with this tendency, I tune out immediately. You're just flapping your gums to me.
And Rip did not out perform Chauncey in the finals or the season. As a dir hard Piston fan just cause you average more points than another player doesnt mean you out performed another person on your team. We had a coach in Larry Brown that was super focused on the pg position when he was coaching us. Larry was on Chauncey every second which was what had made Chauncey a greater player. He would be all over Chauncey for looking for his offense instead of setting other players up. If he had a coach who was more pg friendly Chauncey would have easily averaged more points when he was in Detroit. It was a different time in basketball and not like it is today with pg doing whatever. I feel Marbury, Gilbert Arenas, and Stever Francis with the help of the legend Allen Iverson help usher the ear of the pg averaging more points than everybody and having the ball all the time is what helped the pg be able to score more without being looked down upon because historically in the game the pg was suppose to facilitate. Chauncey played a role in the pg being more of a threat offensively and being able to shoot more shots with his emergence and play in Minnesota and Detroit.
Karl Malone waited 6 yrs because at the time of his induction 6 yrs was the required wait time. I don't think it's his sexual misconduct allegation with Chauncey though. He may have to wait similar to guys like Paul Westphal and Bob Dandrige
They probably would down the road but they probably don't win in 04. Sheed was the missing piece and they probably not trading for him if Darko not a bust or if they had somebody else like Melo or Bosh
@@33greenleafpassing on Wade too. Imagine that five and then D-Wade as the Sixth Man! They lost to the Spurs in seven in 2005 but they definitely beat them with Wade.
So b/c Chauncey was more of a team player & not a selfish, ball hog stat padder like others who were inducted in the HOF before him, he's a tentative selection even though he was a winner & consistent leader & his affect cannot be measured only in physical data...So i wonder why Tom Chambers & Antawn Jamison haven't been selected although some women were ahead of them. The politics in these sports leagues disgust me!
@@vittiriowashington5211 You must be really new if you’re unfamiliar with Billups allegations. There was a big uproar before him being coached as the blazers
@holdmyweight3597 I'm 42 what's wrong with you "youtubers" and the whole you must be new, young, etc.. He literally had no case, strictly allegations... How in the hell is a head coach?? Google the man's catalog.. He is HOF worthy from high school to the league... It's undisputed sheesh... peace man
People forget he balled with the Timberwolves in the season before he came to the Pistons. And showed great promise with the Wolves when he became a free agent in the playoffs which is what made the Pistons sign him.
@@holdmyweight3597 none of those guys should be in especially Divac, that's ridiculous for him to be in. At least Hardaway and Richmond were star players, but Divac was never a star player.
Sid and Paul Westphal took forever to get in because each had only about 5 full outstanding seasons. Longevity issue. However, they were definitely elite in their prime. Billups was never elite.
I don't think he deserves it. He's a shueting first PG and never got 20 PPG! There were also plenty of opportunities to score: Two starters were not even scorers(Prince and Big Ben) and they were a low scoring team, too! With that not being true(ever getting 20 PPG), what about assists? He only got 8 assists once in a long career and I do not think he got close to that again. He also was not a defensive player or steal guy(like Iverson). Finals MVP is subjective and it should be clear for that to count. I do think his MVP was controversial! He was a great and clutch shueter, but he's got a whole, whole lot going against him on the court! I enjoyed and liked him a lot as a player, but--like Deion once said--if you have any tangible doubts, pass on that guy!
Chauncey was a WELL ROUNDED do it all high quality basketball player. He had great vision, could shoot, drive, and a strong defender. Even though he played at a VERY high level he was never THE BEST shooter, driver, scorer, defender, and while his overall impact was high... he just didn't have the Super Star impact that garners HoF votes. (He is one of my current favorite PG's)
@holdmyweight3597 no I was, I just have shitty memory lol. I mean I remember his All-Star years with Detroit, when they whole starting lineup minus Prince were All-Stars, I just don't remember his All-Star years with Denver. I also remember thinking how Detroit won big with the trade getting Iverson, but obviously not lol
Great point guards were not valued during his era, especially after the Isaiah Thomas disrespect, Magic set aside in basketball & the rise of the shooting guard leading to chips. That's all
A superb player, but not a HOF'er. Too many early years where he wasn't great. Overall, his stats don't jump out at you. For him to be in, he would have had to have won at least two or three rings.
It’s his start that keeping him out , he was an after thought, almost considered a disappointment until he got to Detroit. Makes you question whether it was because of the team more so him why they won. I loved him, great floor general who got better as the game went away from more traditional point guards… hit some big shots .
Chauncey is a greater overall player than Andre Igloudala. He did a magnificent job in the finals and was a great glue player. He did spectacular in the finals with his role but he was not greater or better than Chauncey for his career.
CHAUNCEY BILLUPS SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME= NBA FINALS MVP. STEVE NASH IS IN THE HALL OF FAME, BILL BRADLEY IN THE HALL OF FAME, CALVIN MURPHY IS IN THE HALL OF FAME, MO CHEEKS IN THE HALL OF FAME, TIM HARDAWY SR IN THE HALL OF FAME..
@@BLACKICONOCLAST well that is your choice. However, I will say Calvin opened the door for all little men. Particularly in his era in the 70s. He went up against Frazier, West, Maravich, Bing, JoJo White. and he held his own and more.
@@Amick44 GUS WILLIAMS LED THE SONICS TO 2 NBA FINALS AS THE LEADING SCORER. GUS WILLIAMS MADE 58 FIIELD GOAL IN 5 GAMES WHILE AVERAGING 29 POINTS TO LEAD THE SONICS TO THEIR 1ST NBA FINALS . GUS WILLIAMS BELONGS IN THE NAISMITH HALL OF FAME BEFORE CALVIN MURPHY
Well done as usual!! It's the NAISMITH BASKETBALL HALL OF FAME - not NBA.... of course he should be inducted. It's about the body of work, High School - College and Professional
Billups was my favorite player on the 2000s and I'm not from Detroit. The 04 finals is still one of the most memorable for me and Mr. Bigshot just always made the right play. He could've averaged over 20 pts per game in multiple seasons of his career but he would look to let others get their shine for the betterment of the team. It was always team first with Chauncy.
I like to think that he had a similar impact with his leadership and basketball IQ, that has currently kept Chris Paul relevant in the league. Personal stats don't really tell the whole story, it's the teammate's and team stats he impacted more through being a Floor General.
@@benziahbrown7111 Never stated he was on his level. Since deciphering context seems to be lacking for some, I'll be a little clearer: I'm referring to the TYPE of value he brought, not the SAME amount of value. It's just like when people used to always comp other players to MJ and say, "He's a poor man's version of Jordan". They just referring to the style or play, not how good he is. Billups' value was being a floor general more than filling stats, much the same as CP does now in his advanced age.
It’s an individual accomplishment. Team accomplishment isn’t the main priority. He’s done enough as a top tier player at his peak to warrant a hall selection
Rick Pinto was not the right guy to coach the Celtics when he took the job he felt that he had to trade Chauncey for veteran experience to boost a playoff run, and it blew up in his face in his first year. If he kept Chauncey, and let him develop then I can see himself Pierce, and Walker winning a championship in Boston
If Parker is in, Chauncey should definitely be in. Finals MVP Chauncey Billups 1 Tony Parker 1 All-NBA Teams (Total Selections) Chauncey Billups 3 Tony Parker 4 All-Defensive Teams (Total Selections) Chauncey Billups 2 Tony Parker 0
I’m a little biased because I’m from Detroit but die heart Kobe and Laker fan. He never shied away from the big moments or the biggest moments moments. Let him in
That was a good episode!!! I always liked Billups and think he should be HOF! Didn’t know anything about that incident in Boston. Aside from that he should be given his props!!! 🙏🏼😎👍🏽
It was announced today (April 3rd 2024) that both Chauncey Billups and Vince Carter have been elected for the hall of fame. Congratulations to both of them. Well deserved!
Great video but you got the The Mailman part wrong. 6 years was the time for retired hoopers to wait to be inducted. It was shortened twice since he got inducted.
Tony Parker cheated on that actress and messed with his teammates' wife, and the whole world knows, so Chaunceys one miss step bc some chick 30 yrs ago isn't anything, if Chauncey was from Paris or China or anywhere excepts the states he would be in the Hall of Fame, that fact he isn't is actually prejudice the nba did to him, but racism is a watered down term now so people dont know it when they see it
