Your explanation of variety and limitations of the various self driving strategies from multiple OEMs was very fair. Tesla's AI strategy for Full Self Driving is the most ambitious and by far the most impactful as it will be able to drive on any road or highway. But, first they have to complete the project. Your reporting is the best I've seen. If the rest of the media was as unbiased the public would have a better understanding of the scope and advantages that Tesla is aiming to accomplish. Thank you for another great video.
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I have been using FSD since 2020 and backed in. Absolutely I agree no way it’s ready in one year. With V 12 however I have shifted my thinking the improvement is massive and the rate of improvement is improving. It’s now relaxing to use. I use it every day 90% of my driving on FSD.
@@MissGoElectric yes but... try engaging it when parked in a multi-level garage or a shopping mall parking lot. It isn't dangerous (huge win!) but it isn't clear it will ever find it's way out. Reversing is ... a new frontier... I don't want to take away from how much they have done... but before we get to level 5 there is still hard stuff to get through. The main driving part... well, that's pretty much done!
I'm a full blown human with a functional brain and I have gotten turned around in unfamiliar parking garages several times. Eventually the fleet will be set to share parking garage layout learnings and that will propagate quickly. -Producer Tim
I do believe that GM is on the right track. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was Austin or Freemont, well, you get the idea. Your coverage of Tesla We Robot Event with animations stole the show and made my day. I hope that Elon continues to concentrate on Tesla without his otherwise destructive distractions! Add this video to your timeline of EV development! Best history yet.
You mean "destructive distractions" like the SpaceX launch of a 400 foot long x 40 diameter rocket and landing on two pegs the size of bowling balls today??? Or making BSS solutions for Electric gird deployment around the world?
Excellent coverage of the Tesla event. I am a fan of Tesla and I found that the reporting was very informative and saved me hours of watching other channels. Thank you.
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Thanks for the details on the 53 minute delay on the We Robot event. I was watching on line with the other 3 million folks. Sorry, but I did not receive or see the medical emergency notification delay.
It would have been nice to have on screen text updates while we waited for the We, Robot event to begin. Thank you for joining us for this episode. -Producer Tim
I think the Tesla Cyber cab should capable of 4 people. The 2 people design limits the market usage. I think GM is doing great things on there battery technology with improvement’s to range and at a lower cost. Good report thanks!
At 20 cents per mile, a group of four will call two robotaxis or one autonomous Cybertruck/ModelX. Tesla's team found the balance which leverages their strengths and is supported by their best projections for cost and utilization. A single robotaxi will service 80%-90% of fares depending on time of day. About 60% of all current taxi trips have only one passenger. -Producer Tim cms.uitp.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/Statistics-Brief_GlobalTaxi-APR2023.pdf
Today we watched his booster being caught on the chopsticks. Scary, but amazing. I really think his team will get there. We are all richer for Elon's creativity. We have a Tesla but no FSD.
I agree with you. I cannot think of any leader alive who is accomplishing more innovation and production per employee or per dollar than Elon Musk. Those who bet against him long term have lost billions of dollars. We use FSD daily and it usually gets us where we want to go with no critical intervention required. -Producer Tim
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I have been following Tesla for some time (and have owned a Model S and Y) and even I did not realize that FSD was erroneously predicted by Mr. Musk to be available that many times over the years. He mentioned in the tweet that the media never prints any news when he brings something to market ahead of schedule…but has this ever happened? Does anyone know what major product was introduced ahead of schedule? (Maybe the Y?) Thanks for a very informative video!
Happy weekend! Seems like GM is saying many of the correct things to move forward in a meaningful way. Hopefully they actually do it and execute it well!
@@HoundStuff GM is a real business focused on delivering products they perceive the people want. They have had some hiccups, but compared to Ford stopping and starting and stopping and starting, or Tesla vaporware, or Stellantis’s impending implosion, I trust in what GM’s vision looks like. Are they best in class EVs, no, not even Lyriq, but in the mass production volume vehicle world, the biggest segment and the most overlooked, GM and the Hyundai Group are delivering.
@@JohnCap523 There is also lots of room for disagreement when it comes to best in class. Tesla offers the most superchargers although many charge at home. They continue to have the biggest market, at least for the time being, if not the best quality. They have also been around the longest, even if Elon is weird. The Lyriq is versatile where the base model isn't so high end and add features as the buyer sees fit, plus the quality is among the best, and the biggest dealer network. GM is also getting closer to EV profitability than most other manufacturers which tells you something. Hyundai certainly deserves an honorable mention.
@@JohnCap523 You mean "vaporware" like selling more EVs in a few weeks than GM has ever made to date? Or do you mean a real business which makes profits on their EVs, while GM loses $ Billions?
One of the things people need to realize about self driving, is that it will be not yet, not yet, until it is NOW. There may also be various companies who approach the technology from different perspectives, which translates to slightly different products that do essentially the same thing. I personally think is IS coming, it is just a matter of who crosses the finish line first, and when that happens.
We agree. This morning after publishing Miss GoElectric and I say in our Cybertruck as it did 100% of the driving (and parking) to next town over for breakfast and another town for coffee. It handled construction, doors, puddles, and obstacles requiring left lane operation against traffic. Supervised full self driving is much more advanced than most people realize. -Producer Tim
Ive had FSD for 3 years on my Model 3. When visual roadway cues like signs, markings, etc....are clear - it works 98% of the miles driven. Under these conditions its clearly.....a MUCH MUCH better and safer driver than me. More courteous, safer and predictable. FSD sees in every direction all at once. Its at least 10x better than me and I have driven a million miles without an at-fault accident. In its current supervised required state it has great value especially on longer trips.. but being able to sleep?, its getting there but not this year. Still worth it to me. I can see, without doubt in my mind, that FSD vehicle auto insurance will plummet and non fsd vehicle insurance will rise dramatically. That economic forcing function will mean FSD saves money for the consumer and it will be widely adopted. The only accidents will be caused by those without it. Its actually crazy good.
@@johnpoldo8817 "Ultium" is not a "project", it is a branding scheme (according to Mary herself). Watch the video; GM is expanding the breadth of battery research, while realizing that it has to use "partners" to actually manufacture batteries. 🙄
We've driven with FSD several times now. We had multiple interventions, but that was on us, not FSD. We didn't trust FSD yet. I think that folks like us "pollute" the data with false interventions. It's already better than the data probably shows, but there's still a "fear factor" that has to be overcome. When I force myself not to intervene, FSD does the right thing; it's just going to take a little getting used to. Tesla should probably trim the first few months of acclimation for new FSD users.
I've been experiencing FSD since it was released. It has gone from almost scary, to barely usable, to pretty good, to amazing but not perfect. The rate of improvement gives me confidence as an investor and a customer that they will achieve success. It's only a mater of time. I don't think your interventions really hurt the data at this point.
Our FSD 12.5.5 interventions in the Cybertruck have also been non-critical. We always hit the microphone button when we interrupt the system in order to indicate our motivations. At this point, we are teaching the system about comfortable and polite driving. -Producer Tim
Maybe it's because I've been driving for almost 60 years. I just can't get used to a car driving itself (FSD) and don't trust it for a minute. I give Tesla TREMENDOUS credit for all that they have done and that is the one feature that will never appeal to me.
@@MissGoElectric Also have a CT with same FSD version. The other day it actually was going to run a red light. Had to slam on the brakes. It had definitely turned red before we entered the intersection. I think the algorithm figured there was more time in yellow as that particular short yellow time. I should have sent a message through the microphone button, but was a bit un-nerved by what it had just done.
In terms of Tesla's broken promises of Level 5. I'm willing to give him a pass because no other manufacturer is coming anywhere close to them. It will happen for Tesla but probably not until the end of the decade. Thanks for the video Miss G. E. ⚡
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Achieving Level 5 autonomy will be very difficult to achieve this decade, regardless of whether it's Waymo, Tesla, or another company. With the harsh winters we experience here in Michigan, when visibility can be reduced to just five feet, I can't imagine how a vision-only autonomous system could navigate through those conditions
We are also located in Michigan. We expect that autonomous driving systems will continue to refuse to operate in severe weather for several more years. FSD and Waymo stay parked during blizzards, sandstorms, floods, and torrential rain. A conservative human driver is better off doing the same. I think the systems will be surpass humans with snow cover by 2028. Learning data from many vehicles sliding through icy intersections will be required before they learn to be ultra conservative in icy conditions. Those headlines will cause a stir. The vehicle has accelerometers, gyroscope, 8 unblinking high definition cameras, 100% focused processing power, acute awareness of wheel slip, and superhuman reaction time. The Tesla FSD fleet gains an entire lifetime of driving experience (500,000 miles) every 3.5 minutes. As the fleet grows, the rate improves. I can not see a scenario in which even the greatest human driver can compete with the safety of a mature robotaxi in any conditions. Thanks for commenting. -Producer Tim
Post-automotive (second life) use of the battery will likely keep all of the modules active for 30+ years. After that, a wide carrier of service providers and methods will facilitate the recovery and reuse of valuable materials within battery cells of every form factor. -Producer Tim
No other automakers in the US have announced plans to build EVs with support for wireless charging. We do not expect EVSE manufacturers to rush into production without OEM support. We think Tesla will supply their customers adequately. -Producer Tim
@@havnfunb4 "Might be?" They will fly off lots as long as they don't load them up with gadgets. You did it Mary .... finally! Should have hired that battery guy five years ago. Tesla should produce a meatsack-operated Model 2 so we have something to drive while he tries to get FSD working. Or swine grow wings, whichever comes first.
It is all good that Nissan joins a Charging system, but they, Nissan, needs to focus on ramping up the manufacture and releasing of new Electric Vehicle models in abundance, like their Alliance Partner Renault, with Renault, from Tomorrow, at the Paris Motor Show, going to unveil new EVs that bring out in the next 2 years, to add to what they have already released out in the Market. Also Nissan needs to help Mitsubishi to do the same too. Nissan is my favourite brand by the way.
Nissan contracted Miss GoElectric and I for much of 2022 and 2023 to travel the nation educating dealerships about the Ariya EV and preparing them for the EVs which are coming soon. The transition to EVs is rife with peril for legacy automakers. They are obligated to move at a pace which assures solvency for shareholders. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric So how would you generally describe the dealers you were "edumacting" during this time. I know you'll be polite and diplomatic. BTW, how many Ariyas have been sold to date?
Unfortunately dealer support is nonexistent. I have two recalls on my Ariya (both for some inverter issues), and I called a few dealers and they would promise to call me back, but never. They have no interest in fixing Ariya. Luckily I made a 4 day trip from NJ to San Diego in August without any issue.
Our in person training sessions with thousands of Nissan sales people at hundreds of dealerships and regional track venues were no place for acting. It is a lot of work correcting misinformation and explaining the economic, political, and scientific realities of EV production, ownership, charging, service, recycling, and policies. We know they'll never meet another person who lives and breathes this stuff like we do. We understand that we have one day to impart as much knowledge as we possibly can, and we generally succeed at changing hearts and minds. Dealerships in places like Louisiana, Arkansas, and West Virginia present a different set of challenges compared to markets where EVs are already common. Of course, there are some misaligned incentives when considering the franchise dealership revenue model...and there is not a clear solution for that in any region. We know that our education was effective because we administered testing after the sessions. We are contracted by so many automakers because we do move the needle. That said, turnover is high in car sales. The work is never done. -Producer Tim
@@sajiantony7473 I have an Ariya though, and not having any issues at all. I am glad you got through safely with no issues on your trip. I love my Ariya
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Cybercab with wheel and pedals (necessary for backup) and some small backseats for the kids (necessary for us real people) and under $30k, you've got a deal. RoboBUS is cool but more like a city transport vehicle.
Cities have potholes in the streets. That thing had no ground clearance. It has to be lifter up to be practical. When you do that a step is needed at the doors etc. People also are not going to like riding in something with no windows. That is a quick way to get motion sick for a lot of people.
Elon's constant Twitter presence seems to hinder his projects' progress. His predictions often feel like attempts to manipulate his stock price rather than realistic timelines.
"Elon's constant Twitter presence seems to hinder his projects' progress." wishful thinking on your side. No it does not. " His predictions often feel like attempts to manipulate his stock" Yes, downwards. You are perfectly correct... Realistic timelines? Could you please give me one single product announcement for the next 5-25 years that had a realistic timeline?
Elon has stated that SpaceX requires the most attention outside of Tesla. Surely all of his other companies including Neuralink, Boring Company, XAi, and Twitter/X each consume time and energy as well. -Producer Tim
Zeta looks interesting at first, but fails to mention that their batteries are twice the size of LiON or LFP for the same power and only 2.0 V / cell , which further complicates the unmentioned "size issue". A follow up, with real numbers and measurements would be great. If size is not an issue these may find a home in large trucks, earth moving equipment, and things that float. Cars, not so much...
Today's LiON volumetric density is around 700Wh/L. Lithium Sulfur tops out around 580, which is better than the practical density of many passenger vehicle EV packs a few years ago. If they could figure out how to reduce the charge swelling, the volume could improve greatly. The room for expansion is the volume eater. Applications which support low current (slow charging, modest discharging) would make competitive volume density possible. Thanks for watching and commenting. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric Same swelling issues with sand, ..er silicon. Swelling due to fast charging is the flip side of fast discharging, i.e. high current during acceleration, so... no hot rodding...
I agree. Tesla must manage demand wisely. Creating demand for an inexpensive car that is coming soon by talking about it now would reduce demand for the products they sell right now. Tesla has enormous production capacity. At the moment, it is greater than demand. They are being very careful with their messaging. -Producer Tim
For Tesla making the self driving technology "work" seem improbable enough but I'm still not convinced public transportation (of any kind) is a money maker. Pre planned point to point rides is not the only way people use cars and in the US we want our own car for all those other uses.
Isn't it better to pay less for a dedicated vehicle which arrives on your schedule at your exact locations than it is to pay more to share a bus repeating a fixed route on a fixed schedule? -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric I don't "schedule" the use of a car. In many cases I need to hop in and go right away, I can't wait for a Taxi to arrive. If I'm shopping I might need to store things in the car when I'm at the second store or can't manage carrying everything at once. Just think of all the non point to point ways you use your car.
@frankcoffey I bet all of us here in the comment own cars. We appreciate them like folks used to appreciate their milk crates and DVD collections. Times change. New generations aren't stuck in our ruts. Here is the spontaneous Robotaxi utilization procedure: take out phone. Order car. Wait four minutes. Get in car. Arrive at destination and save time AND money on parking. Multi-stop routes are easy. Just have the car park and wait. Service providers will respond to demand. Everything is possible for a price. Most of us like the idea of maximizing the return on each dollar we spend. Here is how a robotaxi delivers superior value: Robotaxis require no time or effort is required to precondition the cabin or scrape off snow. The car is clean and the car is energized for the journey. Riders don't have to pay for taxes on the real estate to store and protect the car. We don't pay to insure the car. We are not liable for damage which might occur to the car based on externalities like a nail in the tire, distracted driver hitting rear bumper. There are no interest payments. There is no net worth erosion due to depreciation. For these and many other reasons, a robotaxi is far MORE convenient than automobile ownership for hundreds of millions of earthlings. Maybe billions. @midnight4109 Of course, any healthy market requires a variety of options for consumers. There are few magic bullets.
Optimus Humanoid Robot. Mostly real (no, they can't listen, understand and talk back, that was an "actor" on a walkie-talkie nearby). Giving out gift bags and pouring drinks, sure (but with a "minder"* nearby) . Dancing in the gazebo, just an updated, digital version of the 65 year old "Tiki Hut" in Disneyland. The hands though! Those highly articulate, smoothly moving, 22 degrees of freedom, almost sensual hands are absolutely fantastic. Likely they'll have a few hundred working on the "factory floor" in about a year. As for buying one to work around your home maybe 7-10 years. Would not be surprised if McDonalds got some in a couple of years to work their joints (much cheaper than people, reliable, and wayyy less hassle). *probably 2 "minders" near by, mingling with the robots in the crowds: one with a big red "freeze" button and one a sledge hammer. 😂🤣
Many of the Optimus bots at We, Robot were remotely controlled from the waist up. Walking and overall balance are always performed by the primary computer. The dancing robots in the gogo both were not operated by humans. Optimus bots operating at Tesla's Texas factory autonomously package battery cells into packs. The machines are capable of watching, learning, and carrying out certain tasks today with no tele-operation. The language and visual command input systems are in the early stages of development, which is part of the reason the product is not scheduled for release tomorrow. The dexterity, strength, and balance of Optimus appears to be progressing quickly. The technical ingredients for real world interaction are demonstrated by hundreds of zero intervention full self driving videos on RU-vid. Thanks for viewing! -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric In case you were not familiar with Disneyland's "Tiki Hut" a.k.a "The Enchanted Tiki Room", opened in 1963, there were over 200 "audio animatronic" characters (mostly birds) that talked, sang and danced. All operated by audio tones operating pneumatic valves and servos recorded on 8-tack tape cartridges. ...Like the Optimus bots in the gazebo. By the way... you called them "Optimus boys"! Zey may not appreciate that, especially if they have noir outer coverings.
The original Mary Poppins movie (1964) featured Disney animatronic creatures and introduced them to global audiences. As with all technologies, incredible advancements have been made over the last ~70 years. Y and T are neighbors on the keyboard. Optimus boYs is a typo of boTs. -Producer Tim
A billion miles of data , still runs stop signs & red lights , hits curbs , can't maintain posted speed limits and don't forget the phantom braking that is still happening. Its still years away from being safe enough for mass adoption.
FSD 12.5.5 in our Cybertruck has not hit any curbs or disobeyed any traffic signals. It has driven Miss GoElectric all over our county with no critical interventions so far. No competitor is close to Tesla when it comes to developing vehicle autonomy which can operate anywhere. -Producer Tim
Considering construction zones, rain and snow conditions, roads without proper painted lines, unpredictable other drivers/pedestrians/cyclists, animals, road debris, etc., I’m sure that we are decades away from fully robotic driving outside of restricted zones
So far, Miss GoElectric and I have been driven by our Cybertruck in almost every condition you have described and we have not needed to intervene. Right now there are hundreds of hours of videos zero-intervention FSD drives online. Tesla's can already drive themselves on dirt roads with no markings, through complex construction zones, around obstacles and crowds, and through busy parking lots. The cars avoid deer, cyclists, and pedestrians anywhere. FSD works anywhere in the USA including unmapped private property. With Tesla, there is no such thing as a "restricted zone". It is still learning and requires supervision with interventions required once every few thousand miles. -Producer Tim finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-predicts-tesla-cars-121559588.html
Some Chinese automakers currently lead Tesla by certain metrics. American brands lag far behind as we reported two episodes ago discussing earnings and sales reports. -Producer Tim
Great summary of Tesla and Elon's history with Autopilot and FSD. However, why would we expect the Cybercab to have Level 5 autonomy? That requires it to operate on any road, and in any conditions, that an average human driver could. All of the descriptions Tesla has written are a better match for L4 autonomy, which allow taking alternate routes or stopping in a safe place if the road or conditions are too difficiult. Yes, Elon said at the 2016 reveal of HW2 autopilot that the hardware was capable of L5, but the actual Tesla documentation provided to buyers described L4, not "any road or conditions."
Expectations are set by the public proclamations of the CEO, as exemplified by the first sentence of your second paragraph. Of course, Level4 is a stop on the way to Level5. Thanks for sharing your views. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric It seems odd to fix expectations on a verbal statement in a sales presentation 8 years ago, and ignore all of the company's written descriptions of the product ever since. I am expecting L4.
We agree that your expectation is reasonable. Tesla keeps improving the safety and performance even though those are categories where Tesla is dominant. One might also suggest that it would be odd to expect Tesla to stop improving the product at L4. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric Yes, I agree. I don't expect Tesla to stop at L4. IMO it will take years of development, and faster processors, to meet the SAE level 5 definition of "any road or condition that the average human can" (paraphrase from memory, IIRC) L4 works fine. About half of all human drivers are below average, so they also are L4! 🙂
This is less than < and this is greater than >. Otherwise enjoyed this video. The driving levels segment is very helpful to understand levels of autonomy. Like being able to skip over parts that don't really interest me.
Just remember those "autonomous driving levels" were defined by a large committee of bureaucrats who understand little and are highly subjective without definitions of performance.
We just need some common nomenclature in order to communicate about this stuff. Somebody has to pick a few syllables and attach them to ideas. -Producer Tim
He frequently delivers the impossible, though rarely on the promised timeline. This morning: www.cnn.com/science/live-news/spacex-starship-launch-5-10-13-24/index.html -Producer Tim
Yeah! Nobody will ever mass produce electric cars made in the USA, If they made a handful, the cars will all catch fire and fall apart; No one can build efficient car factories like the legacy "Tesla killer" car manufacturers; Nobody will ever make re-usable rockets for less than a 1/10 of NASA's traditional space vendors; no one will ever make a global satellite based internet connectivity, ever! The list could go on but you're right, Elon is all BS no results.
When it comes to FSD, Elon's got a 0% prediction success rate.I like some of the current driver assist features in cars, but have zero interest in a car I can't drive.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. We understand that change is not always welcome. We've enjoyed flawless hands free robotaxi experiences with Waymo and zero-intervention supervised full self driving with Tesla vehicles on public streets. The percentage of human drivers we see operating vehicles unsafely and distracted is high and seems to be increasing. 40,000 Americans die annually at the hands of human drivers and we are receptive to innovation which will deliver a safer future for transportation. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric I understand that future goal and am open to it for many use cases, but also realistic. Given the FSD in my Tesla, I'm guessing I'll have bought and sold a number of future vehicles before you can go wherever you want in rain, snow, etc. in an autonomous vehicle.
GM should not invest in battery production, due to high cost, which GM don't have. Should get CATL to build a battery plant & GM could just pay the licensing to operate it. Much cheaper than investing in battery production. Keep investing in you BEV instead.
China's CATL already produces more of the world's batteries than any other company. It is healthy for American automakers to form partnerships with multiple suppliers from several nations. Resilience requires variety. -Producer Tim
@@shazam6274 Tesla has purchased LFP cell manufacturing equipment from CATL, and plans to license CATL IP to produce LFP at a Tesla owned plant. Similar to deals that Ford and GM have made with CATL.
@@georgepelton5645 What I didn't clarify is that Tesla (& BYD) makes their own batteries, while everybody else "partners" with others. Buying equipment and IP is not the same as the others simply paying money for their name on a piece of paper and the building. Tesla buys and makes batteries that fit its business. Tesla would not exist if had not initially partnered 50% with Panasonic in Nevada to make batteries.
Can't blame Tesla for not giving out too many detailed specifications. Keep in mind that all other automotive mfgs are looking to try and copy telsa. Especially byd and other Chinese ev makers.
The supply chain could look a LOT different in two years. It is wise for any automaker to remain flexible during development and announce specifications when the pencils are down. Thanks for commenting. -Producer Tim
Thanks for exposing how the market reacted to Tesla’s event. My disappointment came from them not announcing something I could buy now. It was like viewing concept cars, exciting to see, but sadly out of reach.
Have you ridden in a 12.5.5 FSD Tesla recently? We have. Today our Cybertruck took us to two other cities and home again with no intervention required. We have also ridden around in Waymo and Cruise autonomous taxis. Waymo was mind blowing...perfect...even at night. We are confident that this problem will be solved to Level 4 fairly soon. During exceptionally bad weather, we think most humans and computers will fare better if they are not out on the road. -Producer Tim
Just some constructive criticism: closing each segment with some rhetorical question to the audience is very awkward. This is a program to educate recent developments and it is really out of place. Please find a better way to segway to something else without asking me “my thoughts.”
RU-vid presents this video to audiences only when there is engagement. We pull the levers which allows us to continue. If the comments section is not active, this show will end. Will continue to solicit responses and interact here with viewers. -Producer Tim
FSD is FAR less important than more inexpensive mass market evs made at a profit. The terrible irony is that the Cybercab is a great base design for that it's just being grossly mismanaged. Also, there are more important things to focus on than FSD, like wireless charging, directional charging, and solar charging. Glad they're working on one and have started to one of the others, even if just in the cybertruck, but that needs to be universal asap. Also, elons politics are destroying teslas brand and stock by repelling the primary ev markets in the western world, particularly the US.
In previous episodes we have reported on several brand new EVs with $130/mo - $299/mo lease prices. We think those represent exceptional affordability. You might find that shared autonomous vehicles transform the transportation sector so much that price sensitive buyers do not even consider a purchase price. I'm of the mind that shared autonomous fleets will be the most convenient and affordable transportation in history by a wide margin within five years. Of course, we'll continue to report only the facts on this program and we will watch the future unfold together. Thank you for joining us. -Producer Tim
A vertically integrated software conglomeration of businesses aimed at protecting people from their own personal distract ability is practically the opposite of a Sharemarket based on exploitation and gambling on greed/uncertainty, so the objective statements by Elon about a self funding constant reintegration of engineering safety, safety, safety in EV services, is a paradigm shifting solution that is unattractive to Wall Street type investors. Nothing else to say..
@@MissGoElectric A.K.A.: a gambling enterprise run by a relatively few for their own benefit, kinda like a big club and you aint in it, to paraphrase George Carlin.
It is a gamble to plant a shrub or a tomato plant. It could fail to germinate or it could die. It could fall to pests or disease. We could lose the time and money involved with the endeavor. We do it anyway. We harvest the fruit. We eat. Over the long haul (10yrs+) , the US stock market multiplies money for investors without fail. It does so faster than inflation erodes the value of a dollar. The casino does not do that. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric Only if you invest in index funds, are very lucky or have "inside" info. The guy who invented Mutual Funds, John Bogle, finally wrote a book that even them expert manglers at the Mutual Funds always lag behind Index returns. Always! I am an investor and have been watching some of the "experts" for years. Some are soooo good that there are money market funds set up to do the exact opposite of Cramer and others. Also Casino's don't cheat.
ChargeScape: A way to slow down peak and high demand for EV charging. All for the benefit of the utilities and nothing for the consumers! Don't hold your breath about "earning" money from selling your car's juice back to the utility. Mercedes Benz, and Porsche, have announced a 50% sales drop in EVs so far this year. Not likely a major customer for LG. The location in Queen Creek is a few miles south of a very large nondescript plant which may soon become vacant. It is where Apple was developing their recently announced cancelled car...
Utility companies benefit greatly from having their fingers on the power demand lever. They reward equipment manufacturers for implementing and maintaining those controls. That's why we have WiFi washers, dryers, dishwashers, and refrigerators. It is also why hardware companies are eager to sell smart circuit breakers and EV wall connectors. We are happy to see Apple's Project Titan facilities put to use. We understand that Mercedes is racing to improve the aesthetics of their visually maligned EV lineup. As we've reported, they have already created distance by ditching the EQ sub brand distinction. They'll be back shortly with more marketable variants of the existing platforms. I was the North American tour manager for EQS through 2021/2022. I spent hundreds of days with a large fleet of pre-production vehicles and spoke to thousands of reservation holders at the test drive events in a dozen cities. Apart from looks, the product is highly competitive. As with all legacy automakers, they face an uphill battle with franchise dealerships. Miss GoElectric and I personally trained over 10,000 customer facing Mercedes Benz franchise dealership employees all over the USA in 2023/2024 and we have a very good sense for the sentiment of the boots on the ground regarding EVs. There is more work to do. Thanks for commenting. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric The main issue with utilities throttling the available power to charge your car is that what you thought would take an hour's charging while going shopping, may find less than 1/3 charge when you return because the utility slowed it down for you.
Consumers have the option to decline participation in flexible grid programs. For the time being, that control is voluntarily relinquished, rather than seized. -Producer Tim
Anyone buying anything Musk is spewing (or selling) is just what poker players call a fish. Or sucker… Wireless charging? No internal controls? Yea, that’ll happen before 2040.
@@MissGoElectric You want to bet me the FSD you paid $10k for 5 years ago? 🤪 It does amaze me how snake oil sales people like tRump and Musk just keep pushing their bs and find suckers ready and willing to bite. Toyota has joined the play too pushing their nonsense battery development crap since 2019 that is always two years away. Anyway, I wouldn’t hold my breath on any meaningful wireless charging beyond very very very limited pockets for quite some time. One only has to look at how long it has taken to distribute cable and fiber infrastructure, or how long it is taking to build normal EV charging infrastructure to see past the bs. Ain’t happening in 10 years, not even in your dreams. And Musk knows it, although his other delusions make me wonder.
Wireless inductive charging is simple, the hardware design is the harder part, is it worth it tho? We're still behind on public level one level two and fast charging
@@rp9674 No, installing it is the hard part. Installing it to become ubiquitous is the insanely hard part. As I said, L2 & L3 infrastructure is taking a very long time, wireless is easily 20 years+ to get to any meaningful level of usefulness so to assert a car with no physical charge port and no driver controls is anywhere realistic this decade is laughable.
I agree with the conclusion, there are multiple reasons why inductive is not urgent, if someone wanted it bad enough and wanted to spend the money they could start building inductive charging quickly
Expectations of highly intelligent folk presume high intelligence in others. If Mr. Musk's programmers were all as smart as he is, Musk's prediction accuracy would improve.
It is not a fact. No comments have been deleted this week. In fact, I personally *respond* to every single comment. -Producer Tim PS: I do, however, erase comments which use foul language or are nonsensical posts by bots. I *would* erase a post which posed any kind of physical threat or encouraged violence. Again, *zero* comments have been erased this week.
@@MissGoElectric hmm weird I cannot see my posted message but I see that Tim replied to it in the past hour. More questionable info from Tim... Here's what I could find in a matter of seconds: "Last updated October 2024 The average Michigan residential electricity rate is 19.66 ¢/kWh (18% higher than the national average)" Tesla supercharger peak rate $0.83per kWh. I suspect this is more expensive than gasoline. Yes, electricity prices are rising. BEV popularity is dropping. Get used to it.
@davidmac No comments were deleted related to this video. Your inability to locate your comment is an indictment on your technical ability rather than my moderation practices. Inflation has substantially decreased the value of the dollar in recent years That means we all earn more dollars and we all spend more dollars for the same lifestyle compared to 2020. Of course, *utility costs* are subject to inflation. We must all "get used to it". Fortunately for EV drivers, utility costs move slowly. Gasoline costs can fluctuate rapidly and widely. As an EV driver I'm glad I don't have to think about how my transportation costs might swing from day to day. If I want to, I can buy some solar panels and get all of my energy for free...for decades. Is energy independence an attractive idea for you David? At this stage, we only recommend EV ownership to those who can charge cheaply, conveniently, and reliably where their vehicles are typically parked. We pay $0.11/kWh for overnight EV charging electricity at our Michigan property. It costs us less than $15 to drive our electric pickup trucks 300 miles. Most EV drivers only use public DC fast charging a few times per year when they take very long road trips. Most Tesla Superchargers currently cost less than $0.40/kWh with the same rate all day every day. Some have higher costs during peak hours and rates could be as high as $1/kWh for DC fast charging. That is the capital markets at work. If a price is too high, drivers will not pay the price and the price will be lowered. No big deal. US Electric vehicle sales figures have continuously risen for years. There has been NO REVERSAL of that trend. Gas is the past. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric Did you actually type @davidmac (somebody else) in the front of your reply? This is an indictment on your ability to use RU-vid commenting. Let me assure you that I know how to look for comments I have previously made. One of my comments is not showing up in Chrome, but it does appear with other browsers on other platforms. This to me smells like a RU-vid-Chrome issue. I guess the US Bureau of Labor Statistics must be wrong about the prices of gasoline and electricity... www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/news-release/averageenergyprices_detroit.htm#:~:text=Detroit%20area%20households%20paid%20an,per%20therm%20a%20year%20earlier. ...or perhaps you are wrong? Don't be so patronizing to your viewers/commenters. Solar panels do not give you free energy. There are up-front costs. How well do they work in a Michigan snowstorm? I can see that you are enamored about your EVs and their costs. Many other potential customers are wisely considering energy cost trends, resale value, insurance premiums, cost of battery replacement, and (in the case of Teslas) time to service and repair, and whether the CEO is a jerk. I've said all I wanted to. This all started with your goofy cartoon link.
GM's biggest problem is that they are GM with GM's special ability to mess up. The Tesla robo-taxi looks like a bad idea. They are late into the market and the thing doesn't have anything about it to displace the others. $0.20 per mile is unlikely to be the real cost. I looked up the cost per hour of a city bus and a good number to use is $100 per hour. For city busses, you can assume an average speed of about 15MPH. If you average about 30 people on the bus, you get $0.22 per mile per person Tesla's self driving I am going to bet will have different accidents but not fewer than humans.The robo-van is a complete joke. Consider one pothole.
Late to the market? Only a few large cities have robotaxi service and the Waymo business model does not scale to or support smaller communities, where most Americans reside. Cybercab is designed to operate in any driveable surface. Robovan suspension raises and lowers in real-time according to terrain and passenger access requirements. Tesla has only produced capable automotive products and we have no reason to believe the brightest engineers in the business will suddenly become unable to accommodate common conditions. www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-explains-tesla-robovan-suspension-system/ -Producer Tim
Maybe Tesla stockholder reaction is a baby step toward booting Musk. Promises vs product. He won the corporate puffery case, but it's a hit to his already low credibility.
Is there any leader on earth who has shown that they can produce more innovation and production per employer per dollar or per day than Elon Musk? His antics are suboptimal in many ways, but one could argue the net positive result of his efforts is unprecedented. -Producer Tim
Sometimes we need to compromise, sometimes we can do better. Opening trade to China could give us cheap EVs and cheap solar to fight climate change , but also destroy our Auto industry (including tesla) and give China Supreme leverage against us. US Government brought over a known Nazi: Wernher von Braun to boost our space program, but not during the war.
Did you know that SIX MILLION people applied to work at Tesla last year? Tesla is a top10 destination for the brightest engineers around the world. -Producer Tim www.benzinga.com/news/24/05/39005808/tesla-receives-more-job-applications-in-2023-despite-reports-of-poor-working-conditions-and-layoff
I bet readers would benefit from the evaluation of the limitations and factors which support your prediction. Would you consider expounding? -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric GM has admitted their EVs are not profitable and plan to be profitable in 2025. I thought 2025, they will overtake Tesla. GM is not transparent with their EV division which is a red flag. I think they are roughly in the same position as Ford and that's generous. Ford loss $4.3 billion in the Ford E division in 2023.
Many people's reaction is to bulk at competing with Tesla. All that means is someone considering a GM product over a Tesla, it already happens. Example: compare a Chevy Bolt to and under 30,000 Tesla
Sound reasoning. Legacy auto has many capital efficiency problems. Their disadvantages also include countless long term supplier agreement expenses while Tesla is largely vertically integrated. Then we must add franchise dealership margin leaks. Add devaluation of ICE IP and assets and the investor-spooking earnings reports which follow. Add retirement and real estate commitments. They face an uphill battle compared to pure play EV companies. -Producer Tim
GM may have actually found a future. Best news is no more "Ultium" BS as demonstrated at 1:35 . Though Kelty had to agree to putting it on a couple of buildings and new branding: "YDI,M" (You Did It, M...)
American buyers do not care about branded batteries. GM does not need a higher number of brands, but they would benefit from building superior products at good prices with healthy margins. We hope they get there. -Producer Tim
There is an ebb and flow to fragmentation VS concentration in the auto business. Spreading marketing resources far and wide is a surefire method to reduce the yield per unit. I think the winners of this electric transportation transition will dedicate resources towards product and production rather than words and images. -Producer Tim
@@MissGoElectric there is plenty of misinformation in GasTroll's video. Of what relevance is the amount of electricity to run a pumpjack if that well can produce 200 barrels of oil per day, enough to propel a vehicle 200,000 miles? His Boring Company video of six years ago ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_kOvqaFBZJs.html ) has aged like milk. Given that solar and wind can produce zero electricity on a still night, storage will become a necessity if fossil fuel for generation is to be phased out. Perhaps more Australians should be concerned about the Snowy 2.0 (pumped storage) project than lithium mining or oil refineries. ($12 billion overexpenditure and seven years behind schedule). BEVs are becoming less popular in countries where electricity costs are rising (i.e. everywhere). This rise is due to the phasing out of coal-fired generation and the reluctance to go nuclear.
David: Most transportation will go electric and it will happen in my lifetime. That is what we report about on this channel. Of course, civilization will tap into ALL sources of energy for various purposes. Oil/gas, coal, wind, tidal, nuclear, solar, natural gas are part of the equation. Batteries and other energy storage solutions have already become powerful and cheap enough to bridge the production gaps of wind/solar. For most applications, batteries can get it done for less cost and with higher reliability than fossil fuels. This is a solved problem. The entire US auto business has not sold 6 million cars (of any kind) so far in 2024 but Chinese drivers have purchased more than 6 million pure EVs already this year. In Mexico, EV adoption almost doubled year over year. This is not a fad. This is progress. As for utility costs, I can easily make all of the energy I need for our household transportation with a solar array on my home's rooftop...even here in cloudy Michigan. At the moment, electricity is so cheap that I can pay retail to my utility and save 80% compared to buying gasoline. If those economics change, I'll buy panels and make my own power. I'd far rather drive an EV charged up by American coal than one which is powered by gasoline. Even in the worst-case-scenario, a coal powered ev, the ICE automobile is far less efficient. Emissions from ICE vehicles are responsible for cancer and asthma along roadways. Wars, oil spills, refining losses, transport inefficiencies, and foreign control of our economy are all reasons Americans are better off going electric. You can have the last word. I'm finished contributing to this thread. -Producer Tim cleantechnica.com/2024/07/16/mexico-ev-sales-report-90-growth-yoy-in-june-brings-ev-market-share-to-2-5/
"GM held an investor day event" - says all anyone needs to know about General Motors 2024. 3:05 ChargeScape is giving electric utilities control over charging your vehicle. YUGE NO! Would you give Big Oil control over when and how much gas you put in your ICE car?
