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The Fall - Live at Brownies, NYC, April 7, 1998 

Sean O'Neal
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This is the full set of the infamous Brownies gig on April 7, 1998, where Mark E. Smith got into an onstage fight with his bandmates, a dust-up that led to the immediate departure of Steve Hanley, Karl Burns, and Tommy Crooks. Hours later, he would be arrested on assault charges for fighting with keyboardist Julia Nagle. The Fall would not return to America again until 2001.

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@florida4life
@florida4life 7 месяцев назад
I love how the whole performance is taped through the bottom of a beer glass. That's some interprative art right there considering!
@davidmulqueen8322
@davidmulqueen8322 2 года назад
Steve Hanley's composure is incredible.
@davepx1
@davepx1 9 лет назад
I think that went pretty well.
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 3 года назад
I imagine this as MES's diary entry for that day XD
@jackchristensen9600
@jackchristensen9600 3 года назад
Hahaha!!!
@jircitano524
@jircitano524 7 лет назад
And, all through the madness, it's just one great song after another.
@atrialist2028
@atrialist2028 5 лет назад
albeit in horrifying versions
@tmontpgh
@tmontpgh 6 лет назад
My god I was at this show. It was absolutely bizarre. Mr. Smith was a true trainwreck, but his genius was obvious. R.I.P.
@Robhalifax
@Robhalifax 6 лет назад
Steve to the crowd member at the end. 'Who's gonna play me in the movie.....Sting'. Haha
@sebastianmunoz3945
@sebastianmunoz3945 3 года назад
😂
@ghandirubberneck519
@ghandirubberneck519 Год назад
Julia Nagle deserves a medal.
@ConcreteBarge
@ConcreteBarge 6 лет назад
Love the bass guitar
@ImTheBeardo
@ImTheBeardo 10 лет назад
thanks for the memories!
@TheopticnerveX
@TheopticnerveX 6 лет назад
I was at this show too. The chaos was amazing. Through it all they still were amazing. I was right next to the guy who grabs the mic when they were fighting. It was really just astonishing to watch it unfold the way it did. That's my nephew doing the Hip Priest vocals at about 17:00. It's a shame there's no footage of the show the night before because it was completely a different vibe.
@tahcria
@tahcria 2 года назад
Your nephew did well!
@JJONNYREPP
@JJONNYREPP 2 года назад
The Fall - Live at Brownies, NYC, April 7, 1998 2257pm 10.1.22 i thought this was it.... i have only seen a clip of the alleged fight before now... not much of a fight... handbags at dawn. women fighting would have been more entertaining... as for being peeved: i know the feeling. as allus folk are gonna side with the front man... cant say i see the alleged fight in this footage, though. maybe the band just got pissed off with him... maybe loads of b.s wherein they should have gotten tot he point rather than stringing it out... that said fall internal politics is for the grapevine not something i have ever thought about - what goes into making up band mentalities. as for 1700mins in. i dont see any other chap doin the hip priest vocals... the band ended in the early 80's, didnt it... when crappy northern punk bands got a grip not to mention allowing yanks in - a la spinal tap farce... p.s a yeah 1753 ish he starts to sing
@johnnydeutschemark3620
@johnnydeutschemark3620 6 лет назад
Was there with some friends. I want my 10 dollars back, excellent footage though.. never in a million years did I think I would have to sit through that again, especially since its remembered all to clearly. We were waiting , audience & band, when Mark emerged, rather late for the show, from a yellow cab, sporting a 'shiner' Seems someone dotted his eye, that person, with the fist remains unknown. At that point we knew were in for a 'treat'. what unfolds here on film is pretty much how I remembered it.
@thombone
@thombone Год назад
BRILLIANT footage and a true moment in history.
@Listen2Gene
@Listen2Gene 8 лет назад
Just finished The Big Mid-Week....this is only the next responsible step
@Gazic
@Gazic 6 лет назад
Me too.
@stevewood9546
@stevewood9546 6 лет назад
errrmmm me too !! hahaha
@drumgold23
@drumgold23 4 года назад
And me.
@fluffythebunny
@fluffythebunny 4 года назад
Fantastic read eh? Just finished it this week
@justmadeit2
@justmadeit2 3 года назад
Back to Prestwich plus Fall song ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pDC5P1EvA_o.html
@stevewood9546
@stevewood9546 6 лет назад
Steve Hanley on top of his game !
@harukakigani106
@harukakigani106 3 года назад
Yes I agree 👍 💯
@Rfk1966
@Rfk1966 3 года назад
Ever the professional. Kept it together as long as he could, which is as admirable as his musicianship.
@ryanv3015
@ryanv3015 Год назад
Incredible, loads of musicians couldn't tolerate Smith for more than one album (I'd probably quit after one song tbh), Hanley stuck through it the longest from 79 till 98, absolutely admirable. His book is fascinating as well.
@atarirob
@atarirob 3 года назад
Read Steve Hanley's book and remember that no matter how low you're feeling, at least you weren't a member of the Fall. Some seriously depressing moments towards the end of that read.
@fightington
@fightington 3 года назад
Why worry about that shit Some of the greatest music of all time I have two moods Bob dylan The fall
@atarirob
@atarirob 3 года назад
@@fightington Moron.
@wattage2007
@wattage2007 2 года назад
@@fightington I'm glad I'm not you.
@martinluckybramah
@martinluckybramah 3 месяца назад
Whenever I'm feeling down, I watch this. Funny as fuck.
@seanoneal4106
@seanoneal4106 3 месяца назад
Amazing. Huge fan of you, Blue Orchids, and House of All. Happy I could provide some small schadenfreude joy in return
@bent2
@bent2 5 лет назад
Karl Burns was as I read in and out of the band 9 times. He wouldn't take any crap from Mark E Smith. He was one the few who stood up against him. But at the end of the day it becomes too dysfunctional.
@anonyarena
@anonyarena 9 лет назад
I was at this gig too. I remember that brief excerpts of this footage were originally on an excellent cable television program called "TV Kill." Here's some comments said to me by random shocked people in the audience after this show...First Guy: "Are they always like this?" Me: "No, this was very unusual." First Guy: "Too bad!" / Second Guy: "I've been seeing punk bands for years and I feel like I've finally seen my first REAL punk band!" / Third Guy:"That was so scary, I figured out who I'm going to be for Halloween this year. It's Mark E. Smith!"
@musicgardner
@musicgardner 7 лет назад
anonyarena i
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 6 лет назад
lol
@superbherb7947
@superbherb7947 6 лет назад
What makes a punk band "real?" A man hitting a woman on stage? (I was at this show, too.)
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 6 лет назад
Sounds about right for one of MANY things that might happen at 'a real punk gig' tbh Ppl don't go to those type events for the 'family environment'
@superbherb7947
@superbherb7947 6 лет назад
People *absolutely do* go to some *real* and *authentic* punk shows for a wholesome "community environment," if not for an explicitly "family" environment. You've never been to all ages punk show at some community center (VFW lol) or another? I'd even go so far as to say that, in many places, all ages punk shows are *the safest* place for young people to hang out and do wholesome stuff like ride bikes and skateboards, make and trade zines and comics, make and trade patches and t-shirts, share vegan cookies and potluck meals, do guerrilla gardening, etc. To me, "punk" does not mean destructive chaos and nihilism. To me, "punk" means stuff like DIY (Do-It-Yourself) and favoring values such as "realness" and "rawness" over stuff like fame and celebrity (rock stars) and refinement (like musical talent, lol). I have seen Ian MacKaye stop Fugazi in the middle of a song when women were being groped in the mosh pit -- that is punk, and it takes a lot more courage and conviction, is much more subversive and revolutionary, than hitting a woman like Mark E did here.
@mookie2637
@mookie2637 7 лет назад
That version of 'Pearl City' - what a rhythm section! Shame it all ended ten minutes later.
@SoulStylistJukeBox
@SoulStylistJukeBox 8 лет назад
Julia's at the keyboards thinking to herself "what on earth is going on here?"
@ryanv3015
@ryanv3015 Год назад
The way she gave zero reaction and waited for it all to calm down, its obvious she saw it a hundred times before haha
@mggailitis7231
@mggailitis7231 6 лет назад
I lurve me some Fall. Mark E Smith is forever etched in my mind. He was a fucking genius.
@mikeoleary1723
@mikeoleary1723 3 года назад
Was always tempting when Mark was in this mood to get up for a bit of Fall Karaoke.
@jukkaturunen4222
@jukkaturunen4222 4 года назад
I was there, too. Saw The Fall doing a very professional show at Town & Country Club, London, 1988. Then, after 10 years - this. Anyway, one of the funniest gig I have ever seen, if not The Funniest.
@dannycheesums
@dannycheesums 10 лет назад
Who's gonna play me in the movie? Sting! What the fuck?
@666Eva
@666Eva 6 лет назад
My ambition, all my life, was to never play in the Fall
@ianroberts4981
@ianroberts4981 6 лет назад
Clíodhna I think that's very possibly my favourite sentence of all time.
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 3 года назад
Haha! It's not often in this life can a man fulfill his personal ambitions, good work! 👍
@andyknowles772
@andyknowles772 7 месяцев назад
Well, I hope your granny never touched the bongos.
@RobKirbyson14
@RobKirbyson14 8 лет назад
Just finished BiG Mid Week too...essential Fall read....
@gilwood7530
@gilwood7530 10 месяцев назад
I've seen many great FALL shows...Only one pure chaos show in Philly around 95-96 ...but man, went they were ON , THEY WERE ON !!!
@adamgorsky8422
@adamgorsky8422 Год назад
Just finished Thw Big Midweek, had to come for the Fracas, what a way to end the experience for all involved, FallForever ForeverFall
@electricplate
@electricplate 8 лет назад
probably my favourite film. yes, oh yes.
@colinhodson2410
@colinhodson2410 4 месяца назад
What is interesting here is that Karl Burns was always one to watch in the earlier Fall videos. He was wonderful in front of the camera and game to play the performer game. As was Brix, and Mark E. These 3 and Marcia seemed to be the show people of the group. I wonder if that same energy leads to Karl not putting up with shit in this case. Appreciated.
@ashleys9397
@ashleys9397 7 месяцев назад
Even in the most loving of families there can be upsets. That's just life, isn't it?
@chordorchard7213
@chordorchard7213 5 лет назад
"...and the owner of the Brownies club just hoped it made three figures...." Totally worth it for the punchline. Fucking funny.
@thombone
@thombone Год назад
Yeah, 100 bucks would have been a great night :)
@cadanrichards2615
@cadanrichards2615 2 месяца назад
32:48 You! Are Fucking Fired! - Mark E Smith as usual.
@Veshremy_Dog
@Veshremy_Dog 3 года назад
MES always said he'd rather do 10 fantastic gigs and 10 terrible gigs than anything in the middle..this has both
@greenonreed
@greenonreed 5 лет назад
this is great to me.
@maxinemckenzie6076
@maxinemckenzie6076 3 года назад
A truly miserable spectacle this. I saw them shortly before this in Cambridge U.K and there was clearly conflict going on, but it made for quite an exciting and entertaining night out, MES was dismantling the microphones on the drums and turning the amps up and down...till Steve threw his bass on the floor. The music was much tighter than this, almost enhanced by the tension. This N.Y.C Gig is a horrible disaster by comparison. Ugly. R.I.P Mark E Smith.
@gilwood7530
@gilwood7530 10 месяцев назад
One night in Philly he sat on the floor of the stage playing with dirt and tape and messed with amps and keys and never really sang anything ...oh yeah a big wet spot in his pants too ...but they are still my favorite band for over 40 years
@drinkdrownsoda
@drinkdrownsoda 3 года назад
Legendary
@paulagrisham1414
@paulagrisham1414 8 лет назад
best band ever; bar none
@TimWinson
@TimWinson 6 лет назад
RIP MES
@seancawley2822
@seancawley2822 8 лет назад
Holy crap! i was at this show!
@sebastianmunoz3945
@sebastianmunoz3945 4 года назад
How was the feeling?
@andrewstorey9419
@andrewstorey9419 5 лет назад
Think actually unplugs Hanley's bass on behind the counter...😂😂..you couldn't dream it up.. brilliant.👍😂😂
@terrypussypower
@terrypussypower 3 года назад
Yeah, he did! Hanley ended up plugging into Crooks' amp!
@mrpinkheavy
@mrpinkheavy 8 лет назад
History...............
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 6 лет назад
This is where the phrase "Wow! what a shit-show!!" got first started! XD Music *still* on point - it is The Fall after all.
@andrewstorey9419
@andrewstorey9419 5 лет назад
Best version of behind the counter by the way...👍
@rufuspage6210
@rufuspage6210 2 года назад
This is a great gig on x2 speed
@synthmalicious7541
@synthmalicious7541 Год назад
Will always love that guy singing hip priest at 17:52
@Temu69recordsdotcom
@Temu69recordsdotcom 5 месяцев назад
Fun fact: this was introduced as evidence in court and the jury had to watch this entire set
@stephenpowers51
@stephenpowers51 2 месяца назад
That IS a fun fact, thanks. Thus the legend of '12 Angrier Men' was born, which might almost be a song title.
@scottdavis4689
@scottdavis4689 3 месяца назад
There’s real Rock and Roll right there…
@WillyBiscuits
@WillyBiscuits 8 лет назад
51.20 breaks my heart, when MES throws Doc Shanley's bass - the end of The Fall, right there.
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 6 лет назад
Naw, the Fall don't end - they just shed their (bruised) skin, and move on! XD
@pinkitypink6246
@pinkitypink6246 6 лет назад
They are over now
@edised71
@edised71 6 лет назад
No apparently he has recorded a new session for John Peel up above!
@geoffw1209
@geoffw1209 3 года назад
It was never quite The Fall again after this.
@fightington
@fightington 3 года назад
End of the fall?!! I used to fight with my brothers all the time Greateat band continued to be greatest band Man some ppl are soft
@juanmanuelfrutos5141
@juanmanuelfrutos5141 Год назад
Someone knows what Roland Keyboard model Julia use there? Sound really good.
@cruelcityrecords
@cruelcityrecords 9 месяцев назад
pretty sure its a juno 106
@JohnCox-ut3cv
@JohnCox-ut3cv 2 месяца назад
Beauty in solid edges, big massive impenetrable edge. And the vocalist is working on his plastic bag, happy to give a mic to the audience. Superior The Fall.
@michaelcollins7313
@michaelcollins7313 Год назад
Please.... you Fall heads out there, what's the full set list?
@voodoo9732
@voodoo9732 10 лет назад
Thanks so much bro! very powerful seeing a band literally break into pieces on stage , Can i ask where the hell you got this from?! . A fall fan
@cruiserscreek
@cruiserscreek 6 лет назад
Someone was filming for a U.S radio or t.v network.
@user-hb9tm3tq3j
@user-hb9tm3tq3j 2 года назад
😫🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
@terryfunku
@terryfunku 2 года назад
When does the fracas happen? I've seen a bunch of verbal sparring, but can't seem to see MES scuffle with Mr. Burns.
@ryanv3015
@ryanv3015 2 года назад
24.20
@willianvieira974
@willianvieira974 9 месяцев назад
Depois desse show a banda acabou
@colinhodson2410
@colinhodson2410 4 месяца назад
What's the opening track?
@LondonDada
@LondonDada 7 лет назад
Shame, the band sounded great
@LondonDada
@LondonDada 7 лет назад
The Fall sound has a big hole in it to this day.. in the absent form of Hanley's galloping bludgeoning bass
@ericrhodesii9025
@ericrhodesii9025 6 лет назад
There is no Fall without Mark E Smith! Farewell.
@edwardcooper7857
@edwardcooper7857 8 лет назад
What are the chances of MES making frenz with Steve Hanley and Karl Burns again? (I can dream, can't I?)
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 6 лет назад
Not in this life, brother.
@nickmaffia1746
@nickmaffia1746 3 года назад
Been in touch through the ether/ethanol,Mark ok, settling in...✨
@dannyvanlooy1949
@dannyvanlooy1949 9 лет назад
ys there a setlist of this gig
@davepx1
@davepx1 9 лет назад
Spencer must die / Masquerade / Pearl City / Everybody but myself / Hip priest / Free range / Levitate / Lie dream of a Casino Soul / Behind the counter / He Pep / Powderkeg
@minutegongcoughs
@minutegongcoughs 2 года назад
Metallic KO for the nineties
@gilwood7530
@gilwood7530 10 месяцев назад
LOL
@bobstevens3265
@bobstevens3265 10 лет назад
Better than Eastenders
@Sadministrator
@Sadministrator 3 года назад
(Clears throat) Coronation Street.
@dianagalindo5862
@dianagalindo5862 3 года назад
Song name at 38:00?
@anntifurz
@anntifurz 2 года назад
Behind the Counter
@andyhuston8833
@andyhuston8833 3 месяца назад
What is the song at 32:18 anybody please
@remymartel34
@remymartel34 Месяц назад
Lie dream of casino soul
@falica77
@falica77 6 лет назад
I read somewhere that Mark was assaulted in a cab on the way to this gig
@gromitpesley
@gromitpesley 5 лет назад
falica77 He said a gun was pulled on him and they were all cowering in the dressing room as usual
@d_walsh
@d_walsh 3 года назад
@ 49:54 _ they are not coming back
@modifidious
@modifidious Год назад
Lol
@JoshuaRoss2
@JoshuaRoss2 4 года назад
Forget the fight, at 53 minutes Mark says he had a dream that this town of New York was a powder keg that was radioactive. Considering powder keg was about the Manchester bombings before it happened, one could argue that this is MES predicting 9/11
@keithmichael112
@keithmichael112 Год назад
In brixs book she claims he was psychic.. Who knows lol, maybe
@harukakigani106
@harukakigani106 3 года назад
Magnificent even the ruck was enjoyable, I wonder though if Mark became irritated by mistimed drumming (although tbh very minor as Karl Burns is a great drummer) hence why MES messed with the drum kit. All said we've lost a true genius, he is one of a kind totally irreplaceable
@mikeoleary1723
@mikeoleary1723 3 года назад
Think Julia would have been better in Japan.
@michaellakey3565
@michaellakey3565 Год назад
Speed comedowns R hard to handle. That's a life sentence ; -)
@andyknowles772
@andyknowles772 7 месяцев назад
Great version of hip priest, mind.
@Blackscorpion1963
@Blackscorpion1963 7 лет назад
Ha, MES at his professional best. Doing his best ever impression of a 'Doors - Jim Morrision' or The Pogues Shane MacGowan act - take your pick. The gig is merely a 57:14 Jam session...the tension between the protagonists ever increasing...ain't nothing like some Shakespeare at a Fall jam session now is there. There's better entertainment in a mental asylum and you don't even have to pay for it. At 25:42 a punter says "This is a remix"...and then at 26:00 a punter yells at the band "Are you The Fall or a you a gimmick? Don't give me the gimmick shit, fu*king play, no gimmick man...get behind the fu*king drums and play ya clown...26:53 'Na fu*k you, shut the fu*k up, shut the fu*k up, everybody shut the fu*k up, shut the fu*k up - wonder boy eh...what we' got 'ere is a Scottish man... a fu*king animal on drums, a fu*king idiot..there's no fu*king singer...where's the fu*king singer? you fu*k... assault in public 'ere...two people...or three people...you've been witness to it yeh...the very thing, I tell ya what...these three...assault fu*ker...pulled the gun out on me...Pakistan or someone...these three were towering in the fu*king dressing room as usual...they're nowhere to be seen...The Fall went A.W.O.L. at this 'gig'. The Fall definitely fell at this one.
@johnnydeutschemark3620
@johnnydeutschemark3620 6 лет назад
...and it continued, Mark spent the next few days in the Tombs" the downtown jail / lower NYC..
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 6 лет назад
pbs.twimg.com/media/DSKaipbW4AANcAg.jpg dude you censored your *own* swearing! _in the you tube comments section!_ (Municipal sewers are cleaner!) - I'm actually impressed.
@Pstephen
@Pstephen 6 лет назад
And a few days later The Fall played at Dingwalls, and thencarried on playing for nearly 20 more years.
@gromitpesley
@gromitpesley 6 лет назад
Blackscorpion1963 Imitating Jim or shane? What on earth are you spouting about.
@jordanjordan9022
@jordanjordan9022 3 года назад
Cowering, for fuck's sake. What would they be doing, "towering" in the dressing room? Apart from that, you describe the scene and events well. Cheers.
@charmingjoseph
@charmingjoseph 6 лет назад
27:15 great stuff
@nellsun2521
@nellsun2521 6 лет назад
I rather enjoyed that. Was expecting an ugly experience.
@jajacapo7006
@jajacapo7006 3 года назад
Skitty doesnt fly peet reels to the med
@MikeHermetic
@MikeHermetic 6 лет назад
Nice version of Hip Priest
@aarondoody660
@aarondoody660 3 года назад
i dnt undertand him...how did he communicate to musicians to regroup,showed em a wad of cash
@gilwood7530
@gilwood7530 10 месяцев назад
The chance to work with a troubled genius
@littlehammers9032
@littlehammers9032 2 года назад
no gimmick man get behind the drums and play man no gimmick man. you're country is a gimmick.
@Turfdeanthantrax
@Turfdeanthantrax Год назад
what a dullard that guy is
@speeduser3597
@speeduser3597 11 месяцев назад
Hilarious
@littlehammers9032
@littlehammers9032 11 месяцев назад
@@speeduser3597 keep trying to produce something as half decent as the fall in your vast and glorious land.
@Takac1979
@Takac1979 7 лет назад
Ovaj čovek je neuništiv.
@earinsound
@earinsound 7 лет назад
MES the great sabateur. Shoulda gone back to the docks in 1987
@zetetick395
@zetetick395 6 лет назад
o.m.g! We've found the guy who knows best! Everybody listen to this guy! Stop the art! T__T
@nickmaffia1746
@nickmaffia1746 3 года назад
@@zetetick395 earinsound. What's he done lately? Scratched his arse and sniffed his fingers,considers it high art. Captures the smell on cotton wool, tries to sell it. There is no market. It lies beige in old jar. He smiles. Undiscovered genius. No. Rip Mark...ether contacts cordial. Settling.
@aarondoody660
@aarondoody660 3 года назад
He must of drank two bottles of vodka he can barley speak
@JohnCox-ut3cv
@JohnCox-ut3cv 2 месяца назад
I saw them in Manchester in 81 & met him in the bogs before - he was sober as a sober judge but on stage had a transistor radio which he got distorted sounds out of, looked like he could have exploded at any moment & didn't sing or say an intelligible word. They were brilliant.
@wattage2007
@wattage2007 2 года назад
That drummer is pretty good. Way too good to be playing with that pile of shit.
@speeduser3597
@speeduser3597 11 месяцев назад
A legendary moment in rock history. Give me that fracas gig over most of other artists gigs
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