The Historical Countries Iceberg Explained (Part 2) 

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I personally think the maker of this iceberg missed an opportunity with couto misto - easily one of the strangest European 'countries' to have existed.

One really wacky country that sadly wasn't mentioned is the state of Jaxa, which was a tiny colony made by a Polish cossack fleeing from the Russian Empire. It was established on the border of modern-day China and Russia and lasted for a whole 9 years (1665-1674). So Imagine, a tiny Polish-speaking Kingdom in modern-day China. Truly a wacky historical country.

To the person who made this iceberg: Tell me you're way too much into WWII without telling me you're way too much into WWII

Could the OP have not used so many ww2 states, there’s more to history than just ww2

Here are a few of my suggestions: - Republic of Serbian Krajina (1992-95) and Republika Srpska (1992-95), wartime entities in the Yugoslav Wars set up by ethnic Serbs in hope of joining Serbia if they won. - Republic of Central Albania (1913-14), a self-proclaimed Islamic Republic founded by Essad Pasha Toptani in hopes of rebelling against the Christian landlords and rejoin the Ottoman Empire. However his rebellions did eventually stop as Serbia and Greece invaded Albania. - Empire of China (1915-16), a short-lived attempt to bring back the Chinese Empire by general Yuan Shikai during the warlord era that ended only a year later with his death. - Principality of the Hutt River (1970-2020), an unrecognized micronation in Western Australia that had a population of less than 30. It was dissolved due to debts that had to be paid and was struggling financially. - Green Ukraine (1918-22), a group of Ukrainians that were deported to the far east during the Tsarist times. During the Russian Civil War they took the chance to rebel and form their own self-proclaimed nation. Much of the Ukrainians were Jews and Anti-Communist. The Japanese backed them however the Red Army would ultimately conquer them. During WWII many Green Ukrainians along with Russians and Jews collaborated with the Japanese to rebel against the Soviet Union, however they failed as Japan was crushed in 1945. - Liberland, an unclaimed land between Croatia and Serbia. Some people have actually ventured here and self-proclaimed their own nations. - Molossia (1977-), a micronation in Dayton, Nevada that is about the size of a football field and has a population of only 8. It is led by Kevin Baugh and uses cookie dough as a currency. - Principality of Sealand (1967-), a self-proclaimed principality on a platform in the sea off the coast of England. It was originally used during WWII as an anti-aircraft launcher but after WWII it was abandoned. So Paddy Roy Bates claimed it and declared independence. In 2012 Paddy Roy Bates died so he was succeeded by Michael Bates who is still Prince. - Western Bosnia (1993-95), an unrecognized puppet state of Serbia during the Bosnian War. It was founded by Bosnian politician Fikret Abdić as a succesionist state against Bosnia. It was backed by Republika Srpska despite being run by ethnic Bosniaks, who the Serbs committed atrocities against. It consisted of only a few towns and was overrun by Bosnian forces towards the end of the war. - League of Prizren (1878-81), an unrecognized Albanian succesionist state during the Great Eastern Crisis in the Ottoman Empire. It was founded by local Albanian rulers in rebellion against the Ottomans. They controlled most of Kosovo, Albania, as well as parts of North Macedonia and Montenegro. The Ottomans were busy fighting the Russians and Serbians so they weren't really paying attention to what was happening in Albania. However it eventually fell to Ottoman forces after a few years of fighting. - Turkestan Autonomy (1917-18) and Alash Autonomy (1917-18), two Turkic Republics founded in Central Asia right after the Russian Revolution. They were both quickly crushed by White and Red forces in the Russian Civil War. However many former Ottoman generals supported them in Turkic unity, so the Turkic rebellions in Central Asia lasted until the late 1920s, with the last insurgents not surrendering until 1934.

A nation that was not included but would be likely in the iceberg is the Principality of the Pindus. Pindus is a region in Greek Epirus with a high population of the people known as Aromanians. In 1848 local Aromanian militias tried to rebel against Ottoman rule but failed. During the First Balkan War an independent Principality of the Pindus also known as the Principality of Aromania was proposed by locals but was rejected. During WW2 when Italy started a war against Greece they briefly occupied the region and established a Pindus Protectorate but it was disbanded by Greek forces moving towards Albania.

6:20 The plan to deport the Jews to Madagascar by the Nazis to solve the "Jewish Question" did not arise during WW2. Rather, it was a somewhat popular plan in the 1930s until the invasion of Poland/WW2, when the logistical issues with such an operation occurring during a World War saw the plan lose a lot of support. It was eventually scrapped entirely in 1941-1942.

I find it quite interesting that both Poland and Lithuania could have ended up with kingdoms after WW1. In Lithuania, we had the Germans attempting to install Mindaugas II as King of Lithuania.

The maker of iceberg also forgot Karelo-Finnish SSR, that existed in 1940-1953 on the captured lands after the winter war, but later was incorporated as autonomous republic in RFSSR and now it's a federal subject of russian federation named Karelia.

1:31 correction: Germany did not singlehandedly defeat the Finnish workers republic. Finland was in a state of brutal civil war. The whites were already winning when Germany landed in Helsinki. The landing was more of a nail in the coffin among many other nails than the main reason the rebelling country failed.

All of things mentioned in here are very interesting, but Tannu Tuva's godly presence simply steals the show. Tag yourselves, I'm Tannu Tuva because they're just like me. And like our anthem, their anthem is also a masterpiece. They are the little republic that could

Very smooth error correction at 7:18: "United Baltic Duchy. When Russia ceded a bunch of land to the Central Powers after they lost World War I, Germany had plans to form a client state in modern-day Estonia. When Russia ceded a bunch of land to the Central Powers after they lost World War I, Germany had plans to form a client state in modern-day Estonia and Latvia, ..."

I feel like the Iceberg's lowest layer should've been made up historical countries like Lechina Empire

i'd love another video (or series) like this where you make your own iceberg. i'm kinda surprised that deseret wasn't on this one when jefferson was

One of the deep iceberg nations could've been the indo-Greek Kingdom. Imagine a Greek Kingdom from Afghanistan that ruled over northern India.

I once again mention the Principality of Torul, a piece of the Empire of Trebizond which survived until 1479, making it the true last bastion of Rome rather than the Principality of Theodoro. Source is "Empire of Trebizond and the Pontos" by Anthony Bryer

Here in Brazil we have some countries that may be in the iceberg: República Rio-Grandense (1836-1845); República Juliana (1839); República do Acre (1899-1903) The first two its part of the Farroupilha Revolution, the third I don't know very well, but it was a territory that proclaimed independence from Bolivia and was later integrated into Brazilian territory.

*LAYER 4* 0:20: Kingdom of Poland of 1917 0:45: West Ukrainian People's Republic 1:10: Finnish Workers Republic 1:44: German-Austria 2:12: Bavarian Soviet Republic 2:36: Hungarian Soviet Republic 2:55: Saar Protectorates 3:20: Tannu Tuva 3:52: Free City of Danzig 4:18: Bizone, Trizone *LAYER 5* 6:19: Israel in Madagascar 6:36: Intermarium 7:12: Polish-Czechoslovak Confederation 7:18: United Baltic Duchy 7:47: Golden Circle 8:16: Independent Saarland 8:34: Order-State of Burgundy 8:57: Churchill's Germany Plans 9:11: United States of Europe 9:37: Imperial Federation 10:06: Balkan Federation 10:57: Cascadia 11:13: Reichskommisariat Kaukasus 11:35: Reichskommisariat Moscowien 11:49: Franco-British Union 12:23: Union State of Russia and Belarus 12:43: United States of Africa 13:12: Romanistan *LAYER 6* 13:43: Jefferson State 14:11: Portoia 14:17: Soviet Finnish Client State 14:43: Baluchistan 15:01: Taured 15:27: Volga-German ASSR 16:06: Sikkim

The post-WWI Saarland (called the Territory of the Saar Basin) wasn't a protectorate but rather a mandate. Mandates are different from protectorates, for mandates are stewarded by a world body with or without de facto administering power. And it was jointly ruled by France (along with the UK) during that period too, in which they seized the region's coalfields. The region's coal was the reason why France wanted the Saarland in the first place (since they lacked coal of their own), and no matter how much it tried to get them to join France (the living standards of Saarland were WAY ahead of the rest of what would become West Germany; they also banned pro-German parties), in the end when the Saarland was a protectorate after WWII they overwhelmingly decided to join West Germany rather than stick with the French. They even had their own team once at the Summer Olympics in 1952. So France wouldn't mind the Saarland joining West Germany, the European Coal and Steel Community was formed so France could still get their sweet sweet coal. This community's activities were absorbed by the European Community in 2002

I would add "Jaxa" to 6 layer. In brief, it was a polish 17th century state in northern china.

Actually, the 4chan state was Polony Portoia, though 4chan related, is an urban legend in the same vain as Taured a guy showed up in a thread once, having a weird flag to his name, the country code said it was "Portoia" this sparked the idea that Portoia was actually a country from an alternate universe, somehow breaking into our reality the truth however, is that Portoia was a joke country-code (and flag) added to 4chan's /int/ that made its way to other boards with flags enabled, like /pol/ Portoia has since been removed from 4chan, never to be seen again

I would absolutely love a video like this with your own iceberg.

Isn't the most common telling of the Man from Taured story being that Taured was between France and Spain, about where Andorra is?

Im from Washington and we take Cascadia very seriously here. Even though becoming an independent state is completely impractical, we still recognize it as a bioregion. We have a flag too, which I see quite frequently flying around these parts.

I feel as though an ancient history representative that was missed out on was Tartessos. Most of the vast coastlines of the Mediterranean had their ancient civilizations, such as the Egyptians, Phoenicians, Greeks, Carthaginians, and Romans, but most people cannot think of one originating from Spain or France. In reality, there was a heavily civilized nation in Southern Spain named Tartessos, although we don’t know much and what we do know is from the Greeks and Carthaginians for the most part. It likely existed between 1000 BCE and 520 BCE.

A more in depth explanation of Portoia It's a flag/country that appeared sometimes in 4chan, it's probably a joke flag, but some people say it's from an Alternative Reality like Taured

Wow this iceberg is... uh... man almost no classical or medieval nations, and a heavy focus towards ww2 why am I not surprised

For ancient states, would be interesting to explore the indo-greek kingdoms and how they meshed several different cultures together and how that affected culture today.

Can I just say it's a nice thing you do taking out the subject from the iceberg when youre done explaining it

Another bizarre country not mentioned was the Rus' Khaganate, a hypothetical country ruled by Scandinavian vikings somewhere in Russia and Eastern Europe during the eighth and ninth-centuries, with the ruler using the Turkic title of "khagan". The only documentation we have of its existence are a couple of Frankish and Byzantine letters and charters, so a lot of historians believe it didn't actually exist and as a result, it isn't very well-known.

Really interesting video. Maybe you could start a series of videos focusing on lesser-known historical countries like those? As you've said yourself, it's an extremely wide subject.

I'm disappointed the Italian Regency of Carnaro wasn't included, it's such a wild story

Was born, raised, and live in Portland and I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention Cascadia outside of the internet and almost every time I've mentioned it people have no idea what I'm talking about.

Feels weird that the Boer republics weren't on there. Or the two Griqualands if you want to get even more obscure.

I wonder what further levels you would add for medieval and other obscure political entities

Ahhhh, there's Tannu Tuva. Time for all the Hoi4 fans to point at the screen and clap in recognition.

If you plan to include countries before the 19th century (where the concept of a country starts to become blurry) for your planned future iceberg, how about the Southern Ming Princes as well as the Kingdom of Tungning (a Ming Dynasty exile state in Taiwan)?

The Jefferson State purposal (Northern California/South Oregon) is still alive today, if not the biggest or most publicity published group.

I thought taured was in Andorra as part of the urban legend

good video!

I was waiting for it

Yeah! Glad to see your own Iceberg!

Glad that map makers could clarify that Red = Red Finland and White - White Finland

8:34 TNO INTENSIFAYS..

Churchill's Germany got my sides hurting 🤣

Pt. 3 please

here some obscure countries or states for your own iceberg: republic of Ezo, holey sultanate of Khorasan, khanate of Karabakh, republic of YunNan, Mahabad ASSR, Tsukushi Autonomous commandery, Alash Orda, Yabghu Khanate.

If you're taking suggestions for your own iceburg, I have a few: Lotharingia - The successor kingdom of Middle Francia of the Carolingian Empire. Punt - Ambiguously known kingdom from the era of ancient Egypt, I can't remember if you made a video on it or if that was someone else. Netherlands Antilles - Former constituent country of the Netherlands, which was dissolved in 2010. New Hebrides - A colony controlled by both France and Britain at the same time. Now known as Vanuatu. Upper Volta - An African country with the same flag as the German Empire. Now known as Burkina Faso. Ragusa - An Italian city state in modern day southern Croatia that became a tributary of both the Ottomans and Austria, before being conquered by France. (Yes I play EU4)

If you end up doing your own iceberg, here are my suggestions : Haudenosaunee (not that obscure these days, but still) Republic of Canada (1837-1838) Republic of Lower Canada

Suggestions: Wilsonian Armenia (1920) Armenia with the territories from Sevre treaty, under protectorate of USA, was divided before it existed between Turkey and Soviet Russia Transcaucasian Federation Democratic Republic (1918) Federation country that declared independence from soviet russia to fight against ottoman army . Blew up into 3 countries at May 26-28 Russian Democratic Federative Republic (1918) (after russia republic) It's like Russian Empire, but federative democratjc republic, with some republics as part of it. Bolsheviks ruined everything) Mountain Republic (1918-1919) North caucasus nations islamic country , that had no chance to fight against bolsheviks and white powers in Russian civil war. It had territories from Ossetia to Dagestan. Kurdistan (1920) Possible country ,that could exist , but not exist .

United States of Belgium, when Belgium declared independence from Austria in the late 1700s. Not much known about this short lived state, they existed for less than a year before being suppressed by Austria after which they were annexed by Napoleon, and after that became part of the United Netherlands before declaring independence again in 1830.

Would be fun include Couto Mixto, a de facto independent country that existed between Spain and Portugal until the 19th century, that no ones know about it.

Funfact, the leader of the Volga German ASSR was later on the mayor of West-Berlin

What about Prekmurje. We also had a country. For about a day.

after reading the comments a bit: the makers missed so many Countrys or proposals outside of the 20th. Century and you could some layers further down if one would include the 19. Century or Africa. Or with that level make an Iceberg of German Kleinstaaterei ... well, if anyone had done it already

Jaxa, Lanfang, independent Vermont, and Westralia would be great additions!

14:12 OK now I'm actually interested. wtf??

6:48 now that's some really good pronunciation

Cool video, if you do make that sequel you talked about, I suggest that proto-ancap territory that was in Italy during the 1400s or so. Republic of Cospaia, that's the name.

Hi Tiger what's up? Could you include the Monarchy of the North, it was a short lived state in the North of Portugal who, beetween January to Febuary of 1919, restoured the Portuguese Monarchy and had Paiva Couceiro as the president of the King's provisional government but it didn't had King Manuel II's permission, as he didn't want the Monarchy to be restoured by force. Great video btw😁🤗

My favorite is something Kossuth proposed after he bravely ran away, losing the Hungarian revolution against the Hapsburgs in 1849. It was supposedly called the "Republic Along the Danube" or what, and would have included many of the ethnic groups from the Hapsburg empire, but in a federal republic.

About the intermarium, it's idea got sortof revived and turned into the now present Three Seas Initiative. It doesn't do much, but it does, in fact, exist.

As someone from the Pacific Northwest, Cascadia isn't really a country proposal, it's just a fun idea to play with. The idea for Cascadia mainly comes from how the culture and people of the Pacific Northwest and Western Canada is distinct from the rest of their respective countries.

Heres one - the Polish-Lithuanian-Moscovite commonwealth. This one failed mainly due to orthodox/Catholic clashes.

0:21 I literally search every single country yesterday

How did the Soviets win the American Revolution in 1398?

Have you read "a vision of shadows"?

Him: We will go through this layer relatively quickly. Also him: *proceeds to talk about layer 5 for more than half of the video*

Can someone please send some actual info about Portoia? I can’t find absolutely nothing

Wasn’t Portoia a random nation that appeared on the 4chan options list and not a colony?

Yes!

out of this whole thing, layer 1: all knew layer 2: all knew layer 3: all knew layer 4: 3 unknown layer 5: 7 unknown layer 6: 3 unknown i spend too much time on wikipedia

did not mention the bottle neck free state, saddest moment of my life

In the version I heard of the man from Taured, the supposed country was inbetween France and Spain, but wasn't Andorra

My grandpa used to tell me stories about the "Saar Protectorate", we actually had our own constitution, flag, anthem and money... Btw the anthem survived, some orchestras still play it from time to time.

I live in the area where the proposed state ofJeffersonn is and many still want recognition, almost every county in the proposed state has already voted on the matter and an overwhelming majority to form the new state is present.

I've actually got a map with Tannu Tuva on it, I quite like it.

A little strange how the Khmer Rouge wasn’t even mentioned

Layer 5: Tell me you play Kaiserreich and TNO without telling me you play Kaiserreich and TNO

14:11 Oh come on. That's the one I was most interested in. I thought this might be something legitimate. ^^'

There is a book called an atlas of countries that dont exist by Nick Middleton . It has some really obscure stuff

More info on Portoia

This is very good, but I think It would hace bien nice if you mentioned the republica of baja California and Sonora established by William Walker's expedition but was later defeated by the mexican army Nice work still, lovely video!

I love how we never get to see Churchill's plan for Europe.

Yes.

I admire Sikkim being so tough surviving throughout the years

Sikkim is the "host nation" in some multiplayer Victoria II games. You should make your own historical country iceberg!

Can someone explain the Portoia one ?

7:29, forgot to remove this redone voice over line

There actually was an autonomous Finnish soviet republic but it was dissolved after a few years

Add Neutral Moresnet

This iceberg should have included legendary or ancient and historic places like magog, sheba, punt, land of nod, doggerland, and Dilmun

Bela Lugosi, most famous for playing Dracula, was involved in organizing actors as a supporter of the Hungarian Soviet Republic. He ended up in Hollywood because he had to flee Hungary after the Soviet Republic fell.

I actually already knew about the Volga German ASSR (my great grandpa was a Volga German), I think that's the first time I knew about something at the bottom of the iceberg

Kinda sad Guna Yala (weird autonomous region inside panama, you need to show a passport to get in but it’s still in panama) didn’t show up, it’s got an interesting backstory

In your own iceberg you might include Mustang Republica de la Boca Biafra Casamance Acre (?)

if you ever do a video on another iceberg like this i highly recommend u/NizamNizamNizam's Historical States iceberg, it's a lot like what you described with more pre-modern states and such

pretty sure that the imperial federation and cascadia is a reference to project wingman

Therapist: "Bavaro-Austro-Hungary doesn't exist. It can't hurt you" 9:08