The Kingkiller Chronicle | Another Chandrian?

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In the ancient language of Temic predating Tema by over a thousand years, the word Chaen means seven. The name Chandrian then literally translates to seven of them. But is Haliax, Lord of the Seven included in their ranks? Also, what were to happen if someone were to kill a Chandrian? They would no longer be seven in number, necessitating the need for another to join them...
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@Slughornable 4 года назад

Wow, I cant wait for this quarantine to end so Patrick can say he hasnt finshed the third book yet

@samuelbroaddus2733 4 года назад

I was hoping people would start a movement to get him to publish it during the quarantine....people reading the book would be a good way for them to stay safe inside etc etc.

@KitsuneCardsTCG2 4 года назад

Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe it’s set out to be released this august.

@strictlyfantasy 4 года назад

Honestly, I don't think it'll be released in August 2020. I think that date those book websites have posted is just a placeholder date. They do this for games all the time and I think Rothfuss and his publisher would promote the release long before it comes out.

@samuelbroaddus2733 4 года назад

I agree that it makes sense. At this point I think Rothfuss probably breaks out in nervous sweats whenever he thinks about the fact the picture of his manuscript was of a cover page over two reams of blank paper. If I believe that I’ll just be pleasantly surprised if I’m fact it ever is published.

@Vaticider69 4 года назад

Odds on Fallout 5 coming out first, not counting 76........ Hell even Tool finally put out another album, before PR... The thing that bothers me the most, is an early interview with him stated he had all three book just about finished (pre book 2 release) and that he didn't believe in making people wait for books.... Yea right..

@schokoladenbrownies 4 года назад

I love the theory of silence being Kvothe‘s sign and punishment

@joynhermaxu6010 4 года назад

I think Kvothe became a Chandrian as well. If Cinder is actually the fae ruler (Ferule) it would also explain the war and why are fae creatures entering the human world. Maybe Kvothe earnt the title of King killer after killing Cinder.

@jaspermillar7934 3 года назад

Never thought of this before. That would be very interesting!

@jonasen6709 3 года назад

However, Ferule kind of reminds me of Ferum, which means iron. The adem are talking about "shaping iron" when it comes to teaching their students and obviously fea are "allergic" to iron.

@DiscreetStigma 4 года назад

I think that Kvothe is a Rhinta; but while that’s the word the Adem use for the chandrian, I don’t think that Rhinta is limited to the Chandrian. Specifically, Rhinta which means ‘shaped one’ is someone who’s name has been shaped, but the Chandrian are a group of people who’s names have been shaped. Furthermore, I think there is a lot of support for Kvothe becoming a Rhinta. I think that all the foreshadowing in the book of Kvothe being a puppy leads to him growing up to be a dog; wherein the dogs are the Chandrian. For example, Dagon, the Maer’s soldier, is described as having dark eyes and a chilling presence when around Kvothe. I suspect this is meant to represent the Chandrian signs. He’s also described as a mad dog on a leash. I find that there is also a lot of comparison between some of Kvothe’s teachers and wolves, namely Abenthy and Bredon off the top of my head. I think that there might be some underlying foreshadowing that is trying to show that the Chandrian are tamed in someway, by having their names shaped. There is a small reference by Bast where he says something like “and that lead to the creation of the nameless.” -- and I know I’m getting pretty far out there with this, but it makes me wonder that since the Creation War was where the Chandrian were created, I wonder if the Chandrian were an elite group of heroes that shed their names from themselves for a time, in order to fight the shapers. Because a creature with no name you’d have no power over. But rather than just let that be a thing, Iax countered that by giving them new names. Which is why Lanre became Haliax. And thus the wolves became tamed Dogs, in service to the enemy. It would explain why we see weird poems that reflect the Chandrian in a positive light. It’s supported by Auri’s comment about falling into a hole sad and alone with no name. It fits into the narrative of the war. It just kind of makes sense to me. Anyway, I’ve rambled on for a while. Nice video dude. I look forward to the next.

@strictlyfantasy 4 года назад

Wow, these are great ideas/theories I have not heard of before, especially about Dagon and the Chandrian being tamed by having their names shaped. I have heard that Hal in Latin means breath, so Haliax translates to: breath of Iax, which would suggest that Iax gave Haliax his name. Thanks for contributing to the discussion. :)

@nadie7480 4 года назад

Finally, someone who understood what means rhinta. Thank god.

@funkstication 4 года назад

Do you think Ri'nta could be the secret title given to arcanists? Perhaps the title is hidden like a part of their name is hidden. Like a guilder could function as a gram against sympathy, a secret ceremony that subtly changes their name could serve to protect them against naming.

@nadie7480 4 года назад

@@funkstication No, absolutely no. 100% no. Don't you remember how shocked was Elodin when Kvothe asked him "What do you think about someone who change his name"? He though Kvothe mean a deep name. The university is against the shaping. So no, rhinta is not a new title at all.

@funkstication 4 года назад

@@nadie7480 Thanks for reminding me of that but isn't the naming of elements into rings a form of shaping? I wonder if the silence that surrounds Kote isn't in fact the true Lethani, a cloak of magical silence that protects against naming by, perhaps not changing but instead, obscuring the true names of things. Couldn't a similar practice be carried on at The University? Could the apostrophes in the names of the ranks of The Arcanum be evidence of this redaction? In fact on this page: kingkiller.wiki/w/Arcanist naming the ranks it's speculated that El'the means shaper.

@ernestpratgarriga9879 4 года назад

Merciful Tehlu! Stop mentioning their names so much its dangerous But how's the road to Tinue?

@dahirali3074 4 года назад

lol i was thinking the same......tbh i was shook when that tid bit was revealed in the book 😫

@felurianmasters4369 4 года назад

What does that have to do with the price of butter. Take a tinkers advice and say their names til they appear again, book 3 hurray for that. Three times should do the trick.

@kel5577 3 года назад

Ernest Prat Garriga those are calling names. Not deep names.

@patrickhill8494 4 года назад

I agree with the silence likely being more psychological than a curse. That being said, I agree that he looks to have locked his power away in the thrice locked box. I've seen people mention the theory that he locked two letters of his name away, which could be the case, but considering that in TNotW when he begins telling his story to chronicler and he acceptingly says that he is Kvothe, he appears to be a completely different man than Kote. To me this indicates that his name change so Kote is of the Seeming fae magic, Glammourie. Bast is emphatic at several points that humans are fools for not realizing that pretending to be something can actually change your nature to becoming the thing you're pretending to be. Thus with Kvothe truly becoming Kote. I feel as though Kvothe locking away some of his power, likely his knack for Naming and his skill at Sympathy, has more to do with him having killed Simmon and in remorse and regret locking away his power than hidding who he is.

@stephenmoynihan3774 4 года назад

Kote is waiting to die not kvothe, a silence of 3 parts nd a trice locked chest could be he's hiding his name there. Also he's playing a game of tak. It's easy to set a trap but to let your enemy fall into your trap all the while making them think it's their plan.....Thats the beautiful game (or something along those lines that Brandon said)

@alexmartin5448 4 года назад

My theory is that Kvothe hid his name in the thrice locked chest, and hid how to open the chest within his own mind. In Name of the Wind, it discusses how he would play seek the stone to strengthen his Alar. In Wise Man's Fear, Kvothe says, "After 2 span of constant vigilance letting go of the alar that protected me felt like prying open a fist gone stiff from clutching something too long." This could imply that he has held his alar so long it is now very difficult for him to open. So he may be unable to open the thrice locked chest because his alar is too strong/is too difficult for him to open. Further, this would explain why he is unable to use sympathy when the Inn is attacked.

@aurelwink9514 3 года назад

And its made clear that , it how you play the game, i think its said a bautiful game, thats the key😆

@redactedxx4219 2 года назад

After reading/hearing the prologue for book three I believe a trap may be likely. The man's whole family was murdered for mentioning the origins of the 7. So it doesn't seem likely that he would mention them so often to a famous chronicler and not expect them. I think he knows Bast set this in motion and wants the confrontation and designed the inn to trap or kill them. Just a few thoughts.

@jgescreve 4 года назад

My cousin and I were talking about KKC the other day and we both realized that maybe we're not reading the story of a hero. Maybe we're following the making of a villan. And your theory fits into that, I like it.

@valeriagomez6786 4 года назад

I think the same maybe we look for a different story but Kvothe's life is more a tragedy.

@donschiffer7400 3 года назад

@@valeriagomez6786 Certainly fits with what the author has said about people being disappointed with the ending. He also talks a lot about shedding a lot of conventions in fantasy writing and having the main character become a villain would definitely accomplish that.

@nathan_knows_nothing 3 года назад

You know I always had a lingering feeling that the actual tragedy hasn't happened yet and we're about to witness it in real time ...

@Segero19 2 года назад

Tragedy? More like garbagedy.

@holytankadinSabelane 4 года назад

I do think that Kvothe has sealed away most of his power in his thrise locked chest. He changed his Name and put the missing two letters in the chest: his music and his magic. Kote does not seem to have those things.

@LanreLordHaliax 4 года назад

It's been a while since I read TNoTW but I think I remember a line about Kvothe singing "more verses (of Tinker Tanner) than anyone had heard and noone minded in the slightest" at the inn, in the frame. Which .. becomes stranger the longer I think about it, considering the story. So, the music isn't _all_ gone, I guess, but I like your thought about it. Sealing away two letters of a name reminds me of "breaking a single note of music away from a four-note name/song, and sending the three remaining notes off to play among the trees," to quote it loosely. I've always loved that scene.

@pairot01 4 года назад

@@LanreLordHaliax What is that from? When he's alone in the woods after the troupe's been killed?

@LanreLordHaliax 4 года назад

@@pairot01 "Then, when the time for songs came and everyone had sung their favorites and still wanted more, Kote led them from behind the bar, clapping to keep a beat. With the fire shining in his hair, he sang “Tinker Tanner,” more verses than anyone had heard before, and no one minded in the least" ... It's right before the traveler recognizes Kote for Kvothe and says "I saw the place where you killed him, the cobblestones are shattered and noone can mend them," so K/K fakes a knee injury and tells Bast to spread a story about defending a caravan through the Eld for his uncle Deolan (Deoch + Eolian) or something. Loosely accurate.

@pairot01 4 года назад

@@LanreLordHaliax I meant the part of of "breaking a single note of music away from a four note song" Sounds either like when his lute was losing strings one by one as a kid or the fight with Ferulian because he did say he spoke the FOUR longs words of her name

@LanreLordHaliax 4 года назад

@@pairot01 Ohh. Yes, it was when he named Felurian that I meant.

@JoeySocko 4 года назад

I come from the year 2030 the doors of stone just came out AMA

@pairot01 4 года назад

Did someone Misery'd Pat into finishing the book?

@JoeySocko 4 года назад

@@pairot01 kinda. After nine more years of worldbuilders charity streams, we all said we had enough and stormed his Wisconsin home.

@strictlyfantasy 4 года назад

@@JoeySocko I said this to my friend once except the year I came from was 2038 and Brandon Sanderson ended up finishing it XD

@JoeySocko 4 года назад

@@strictlyfantasy lol I like ur stuff dude I've been subscribed for awhile! Keep up the good work!

@JoeySocko 4 года назад

@@strictlyfantasy in 2030 Brandon Sanderson is like sazed when he becomes harmony. He's on a totally different plane than all of us!

@fastgav 4 года назад

I don't think Kvothe will become one of the 7. Because Bast's whole roll is to remind Kvothe of who he is. If anything it might be Denna who becomes one. She is only ever mentioned in past tense. This makes me think that she is either dead or that she is no longer that person. She could have been groomed by her patron who could have been one of them.

@chrisschmit5478 4 года назад

Post could be slightly spoilery: Personally, I think Kvothe's silence has to do with the changing of his name. At the end of The Wise Man's Fear, he asks Elodin about Denna constantly changing her name, and Elodin reacts in a way that makes you think that if Kvothe changed his name, then there could be huge ramifications to that.

@Nyphestis 4 года назад

"Wouldn't it be poetic irony: the story of a man who becomes one of the monsters he's hunting?" What if this is the path the Cthaeh sets Kvothe on during his time in the Fae Realm? Now you've got me needing to go find my tinfoil hat so I an safely traverse this rabbithole!

@erkencikus2332 8 месяцев назад

It seems like we will have a kickass final fight with Cthaeh in The Doors Of Stone! No matter which team Kvothe joins into.

@stephengrant4841 6 месяцев назад

@@erkencikus2332 I don't expect anything like that, we probably won't see the Cthaeh in the KKC again.

@sofiluders3459 4 года назад

Fantastic video! This is definitely one of my favorite KKC theories, even if I'm not completely sold on it. Also, when the Chandrian kill Kvothe's troupe Haliax uses Cinder's real name Ferula to manipulate him. It would make sense that Kvothe would change his name or lock part of it away to avoid being controled by Haliax if he really did become a Chandrian.

@saki1333 4 года назад

The legend says that one day book 3 will be finished 😂

@strictlyfantasy 4 года назад

@gurindersingh7002 4 года назад

Lol...!

@christopherwhite8567 4 года назад

And then he will announce that there is another trilogy in present day after the 3 day story is over. And we will wait for forever.

@alexstewart9747 4 года назад

That’s the trouble with prophecy

@6ondab3ach 3 года назад

I would give my left nut for the manuscript

@roblewis8227 4 года назад

Cool video bro. Ill def check out the others. I think kvothes plays the names of things on his lute, and will play the name of the four plate door to open it. "He knows a song that will open any door". I like tje idea of the silence being kvothes sign but i think its just another way of showing how diminished he is now.

@AustinGil55 4 года назад

"...'this is, any many ways, a story about the Chandrian.' Kvothe shook his head as if to free himself from some dark thought." This has the potential for a deeper meaning if he does become one of them.

@dannya5710 4 года назад

If the silence is Kvothe's sign as a Chandrian, singing and humming might not disqualify him. The Ctheah mentions that "They [The Chandrian] have a lot of experience hiding those telltale signs." so he might be able to slightly control how the sign manifests especially if he does so unconsciously. Small bits of music might still be possible.

@francodisalvo9637 4 года назад

A few days ago I watched Patrick Rothfuss' 2016 Comic Con panel and after reading "The Princess and Mr. Whiffle" he says: "If you don't know who I am, this is what I do. And if you do know who I am and you don't know that this is what I do... maybe you should have another read through my books because maybe the story you're expecting me to tell is not the story I am actually telling" (because in that book the little princess is actually pure evil). That made me think of his main work which is KKC and I thought that what he said has to apply to Kvothe somehow, which would mean he is or has done great evil. Maybe more than the audience would be willing to forgive. Your Kvothe/Chandrian theory could well fit what Rothfuss will do with book 3 and everything following that.

@josswinkels991 4 года назад

tbh im down to read about kvothe fucking up some stuff, always liked books with dark endings

@jkdog3242 4 года назад

@@josswinkels991 if Kvothe starts Anakin Skywalker slaughtering the younglings I probably wouldn't even be mad, Kvothe would make an insane Vader equivalent.

@ShinkaTV 4 года назад

Man, I hope The Shard Chronicles gets as dedicated a following who puts this much effort into the characters and their stories. Beautifully done!

@wolverinegonder9997 4 года назад

Am I the only one who thinks that a third book will never work, because there are so many things that have to be put in words that 1 more book will not be enough. I swear this could be a 8 book long series.

@wolverinegonder9997 4 года назад

@zerototalchaos Oh really? Sounds interesting and would have been very nice, but we will likely never get past book 2.

@sybillestahl8646 4 года назад

Wolverine Ganda I have the same thought. We still need to find out how everything falls into disaster, and then hopefully there will be some redemption.

@Danger418 4 года назад

The problem is that the second book didn't provide any answers, on the contrary it gave use even more questions and mystery. Now as a result book 3 hast to take responsibility for answering all of the questions which will be very hard to pull off satisfactorily.

@ethan2794 3 года назад

the big thing that i see as being important is that the three books are just the three nights of his story. its obvious that the chandrian are still alive during the storytelling, or at least some of them, because Kvothe is still wary of saying their true names. I think that the ending of the second book foreshadows the series continuing after the three days of storytelling, as it says that something in Kote cracked when he started doing the ketan again.

@walternate2914 4 года назад

It's interesting. And perhaps silence is Kvothe's sign and punishment. But I wonder there was that night early the Name of the Wind when the Waystone inn when was full of people and music and singing and Kvothe nearly joins in (as you mentioned-I wrote this before finishing the video completely). The parallels between Kvothe and the Chandrian are interesting though. It's quite common for heroes to nearly bombe the thing they hate in the quest to destroy it.

@justinclark468 4 года назад

You have got my mind turning thinking of the possibilities and the small details that I have missed. Thank you for shedding more light on the mystery. I love it

@colingrimes4632 4 года назад

I bet the fan theories turn out much better than the third book.

@stevenz9364 4 года назад

I think Kvothe, during one of his famous non-sense and out of control actions, killed the first son of some important man, and starts a war due to the fact that he was sponsored by the maer, then rumors spread he was sent to commit the murder. Then he causes some kind of breach between Fata's world and his, trying to rescue Denna. I also think his mother's family is related at some point with Amyr. Remember the tree told him the maer would take him right to the Amyr's door... Lady Lackless and the seven things she's hiding...

@minoxiothethird 4 года назад

@@stevenz9364 dude the bookseries is named "kingkiller"

@stevenz9364 4 года назад

@@minoxiothethird Oh sorry, I just forgot about that

@HelloSaxophone 4 года назад

I have the same idea. I think the chandrian's signs are clearly punishments for them. They are the inverse of what they represented before. So Lanre was shining man who brought hope (the symbol of the candle) So he is covered in shadow and all hope is taken from him. Cinder had beautiful eyes (or perhaps a special sight) and once a warm and beloved leader, he became cold and his eyes dark, The other loved forging iron and swordplay, so all iron now rusts around him, The other had a green thumb and loved plants and stuff, now everything dies around her, etc etc. I do like your implication that Kvote perhaps took another name to prevent Haliax from taking control over him somehow. That is an interesting theory! Although I don't believe one can change a true name. So I'm not sure if that would work. Personally I believe this is all to do about Denna. Kvote's story is closest to that of Iax, who chased the moon. Kvote's true heart's desire is Denna. But something is up with her. It seems she is also looking for the Chandrian or the 7 but likely for a different reason which we do not understand yet. Whatever is going on. I bet whatever Kvote has done, he's done it to save Denna and keep Denna safe somehow.

@Abraxosx 4 года назад

All the theories in the comment section are beyond fascinating. What an amazing community

@offsetb 4 года назад

Love this post. Is his silence a punishment from becoming a Chandrian or a sacrifice required to change his name so the Chandrian can't find him?

@prince_nocturne 3 года назад

Nah. The next Chandrian will be Ambrose. And his sign will be terrible poetry.

@Zinlain 3 года назад

My theory has always been that what is in the thrice locked chest is the name "Kvothe". If that is the case then he may be trying to stall his transformation into a Chandrian by being Kote. Also i dislike the theory that selitos is Cthaeh because they never call pre-transformed Lanre as "Alaxial" or haliax so why bother?

@zackchurch4850 4 года назад

My theory is that when he kills Cinder and the magic begins to unfold that would make Kvothe into the new Chandrian, this is when he changes his name-an act so drastic and irrevocable that he is no longer Kvothe, but Kote (destruction). This “loophole” action destroys the ability for there to be 7 Chandrian, and a by-product of it is the lowering of the veil between the mortal world and the Fae that allows scrael and skin dancers into the mortal world.

@hiraimran2848 4 года назад

Zack Church WOAH

@ceciliac6344 2 года назад

You’re brilliant

@hebby_k755 3 года назад

does everyone always forget about the vase that showed 8 people and not 7?

@Franki3nm 4 года назад

Bast specializes in glamor, as told when kvothe introduces him. I propose that he used said power on the sword he had under his bed now on the wall. It’s a mixture of many different looking swords as to make it look like any sword and no sword. I also propose that it’s Kvothes sword and he’s waiting on the 7 to come for him tomorrow, he picked three days for a reason me thinks.

@thegovernment0usa 4 года назад

Yeah. Seems like most people expect The Kingkiller Chronicle to be three books, but if he's telling the story in three days, then how does Kote's story end? Fourth book. That's how.

@magdathompson68 3 года назад

I think that while Kvothe is the Innkeeper he is deep in the Heart of Stone. I also think he's broken his mind into pieces and placed the piece that makes Kote Kvothe into seclusion, possibly in the thrice locked box, which is why he seems to be unable to open it as it also has his ability to perform magic of any form. Is it possible? I don't know. I just feel that he yearns to open it and become himself again, yet knows to keep himself safe (or possibly a piece of knowledge that he knows safe) he must go on doing it. Maybe waiting there for a sign, or for someone to show up. The longer it lasts, the more he loses his inner Kvothe. Also, regarding Bast, is it possible that he is not Kvothe's apprentice, but his jailer? His guardian? Not in any menacing way, but in a safe keeping sort of way. He's trying to prod Kote into releasing his inner Kvothe. It's interesting... at the very least.

@animeproblem1070 3 года назад

i think kvothe is playing a dangerous game a game that no one not even he knows is being played because i think he’s going to exactly what he said in the wise man’s fear he’s going to kill the chandrian and we know that they’re still out there in present day we can assume he’s hunted them and the amyr and what he found didn’t lead him to being able to defeat or kill them not yet so i think kvothe is playing a beautiful game

@stevehallett9886 4 года назад

Hey man, I really enjoyed the video! Subbed and liked - keep up the good work brother!

@thecomet6276 4 года назад

I believe Kvothe was born with his silence. He’s been trying to fill the silence around him forever. Even as a child.

@redactedxx4219 2 года назад

His sign being silence could be his inability to call the name of things.

@cesargarcia7952 3 года назад

I've been thinking about the funny idea that the chronicle will at the middle of the third book and then things will happen

@karenhunt7035 4 года назад

I would note that in the outermost story, Kote/Kvothe can't use his left hand - just as he swore should happen if he betrayed Denna. That's why he can't play his music. Whether that's an adequate Chandrian curse, I don't know. But it's pretty bad for a lute player.

@charlyts_ 4 года назад

Omg this theory is amazing i really hope they will cover something similar in the third book

@kylewood2715 4 года назад

I think it would be oddly appropriate for silence to be Kvothe’s Chandrian sign, particularly when it would mirror Haliax’s sign so perfectly. In his time as Lanre, Haliax was a great hero: a legendary beacon of hope and LIGHT. For a person like that to be cursed forever in shadow, unable to raise the hope and hearts of people with just his appearance must be awful. Kvothe would have a similar issue with silence. As a musician, his job is to fill people’s hearts with beauty and song, but being unable to do so would be pure torture. The idea that these two figures would represent that nullification of two of humanities five senses is rather poetic. Also, who is to say that Kvothe cannot still sing? Anyone can sing, but not everyone can be a musician. Perhaps even Haliax can still be a man of justice, but can no longer be seen as a hero. What if Denna’s song about the Chandrian is right, and the song Kvothe’s parents were writing was wrong. Could the Chandrian be the heroes then?

@matthisk4658 3 года назад

My greatest fear is not that the 3rd book will never be published, but that it won't be good. I don't think it will be badly written. I fear it might be too short. I do not know how you want to give the story a proper finish with 1 book. it is wägt they did with game of thrones. they begun to rush it and it got bad

@kwestionme5241 4 года назад

Well his name kote could be his sign. It means disaster

@andreastapper7468 4 года назад

Last there is the lord of the seven: Hated, hopeless, sleepless, sane. Alaxel hears the shadows hame... Pretty good description of present day Kvothe, don't you think?

@CorrinaMusic 4 года назад

OOOOOOO SO EXCITED TO WATCH THIS

@matthewdavis9966 2 года назад

It sounds less like Kvothe may become a chandrian but was perhaps always one?

@Cosmosisification 4 года назад

His sign could be dampened or nullified sympathy usage. It's something he took extreme pride in. I couldn't even imagine him without it. Yet we never see him use it at the Inn. He even tries out of habit/reflex against the skin dancer and fails. That could explain the thrice locked box too. Maybe it's not that he wants it sealed. Maybe he made it so sympathy was required to open it, then got his sapped, and now he can't open it, even if he might want to.

@mal5256 4 года назад

Im pretty confident that folly is cinder's sword

@mistborn1136 4 года назад

I don't know why Daniel Greene speaks ill about the series. The books are great. Even Brandon sanderson doesn't have a fan-base as large as Rothfuss.

@andrieslouw3811 2 года назад

Book 3 is in the trice locked chest...so is the knowledge that denna is chandrian too

@MrAmo123 4 года назад

Amazing ideas!

@qt2046 3 года назад

thank the algorithm for giving me more TKC stuff to listen to.

@eusou0 4 года назад

This was so very mindblowing. I love how Patrick can put just SO MUCH into every single word he writes.

@LanreLordHaliax 4 года назад

I've been thinking about this ever since Shehyn's story, in Wise Man's Fear. It's always nagged at me that I was missing something.

@skylarfried4204 4 года назад

Great theory, 3rd book can't get here fast enough.

@punk303 4 года назад

I hate to break it to you. It's never coming, we are stuck with conjecture and what if...

@offsetb 4 года назад

@@punk303 I'm in the dark on this. Why do you think it won't be released?

@punk303 4 года назад

@@offsetb It's been a decade, Pat Rothfuss just isn't going to finish it. I know there are rumors of a release in August. I just don't believe it will happen. At least not until I have finished reading it.

@pairot01 4 года назад

@@punk303 Every year there's a placeholder release date placed on The Doors of Stone in online bookstores. Every year is August. Every year we are given false hope.

@offsetb 4 года назад

@@punk303 I always assumed he's waiting for the series or movie to build even more hype then he'd release it and cash in.

@joeladuma 4 года назад

This video came at the perfect time, I just want to say, thank you.

@scott7695 4 года назад

Also to your “Kvothe can’t be killed theory” is the fact that Kvothe has copper colored hair which makes it hard for a namer to harm him?

@GuTRoT-OwN 4 года назад

An amazing theory and such a good community. We are all foaming at the mouth waiting on book 3. I know I've read TNOTW and AWMF 4 or 5 times each, and I too had this thought before. Although his leathered preparations before his fight with the scral, as well as his injuries , belies his motality. I do also believe he sealed away his name in the thrice locked box and became Kote thus sealing away most of his abilities. Backed by his inability to do even the simple binding in the Inn. Great theory and well thought out with a great presentation. Subbed and liked.

@saursoar 4 года назад

Wow just wow!! If you read heritance cycle i would be nice to make a video, maybe about what can happen in future books or talk about lore! Love your vids you gain all my respect with this vids!!

@lunafm7648 4 года назад

*Slams like button*

@teresa3882 4 года назад

Really interesting theory, thanks!

@punk303 4 года назад

I had a theory along these lines, but what about Bast, wouldn't he know?

@Way2_Fit 4 года назад

Bast might be kote's shadow

@EthansExit 4 года назад

Jalyn Smith explain?

@Way2_Fit 4 года назад

@@EthansExit Bast sent the men to the inn, he wanted a reaction from kvothe & kvothe resisted an urge, kvothe may have split himself up somehow. Passive & aggressive personalities could take different forms. The chest might hold something to restore them into a whole being. The king killer. Kvothe has been through a lot.

@Cyg_nus 4 года назад

It's been a long time since I read it, but I always assumed the line from the scribe about Kvothe being a killer was about him bumping off Ambrose. He's a long way down the line of sucsession to be king. Plenty of time to fix that in book three though. I always felt that was where the whole king killer thing was going.

@mikegribanov6105 Год назад

When kvothe is on the horns for messing with Hemme in NotW... the main master says "are all 8.. uhm, I mean 9.. masters present?". I thought that was weird.. maybe elodin was named (no pun intended) a master since he is the youngest cuz he was that good. But the other 8 are Amyr.

@edudcb9989 4 года назад

In TNOTW, when Kote goes to kill the remaining scrals by himself, he leaves a note fot Bast telling him that If he is not in the inn by the next morning , he would have surely died, so the scrals are unnatural creatures BUT, the way they kill is just by slashing their targets to death, just like a person could do with a knive, I mean no magic implied. So Kvothe is as mortal as me. Oh and Kote seems to suffer for his wounds too, but not sure in that.

@strictlyfantasy 4 года назад

Good point. Yeah, the only counter argument I can think of is that either Kvothe is lying or he sealed his power (including invulnerability) away in the Thrice Locked Chest, but yes, much of this theory of Kvothe being a Chandrian is pure speculation based on conjecture and as you have pointed out there is solid evidence to say he is not one of them. Thanks for contributing to the discussion :)

@edudcb9989 4 года назад

@@strictlyfantasy nono, I love the idea of him bien a chandrian tho, just saying in case you didnt notice that point jeje, keep the good work

@pairot01 4 года назад

Nice find! Also Kote sleeps, but this isn't hard proof because the only one specifically said to not be able to sleep is Haliax in the Adem story

@samuelbroaddus2733 4 года назад

personally, my theory has always been that Kvothe opened the doors of stone and released Jax, guy who stole the moon. Meaning he released the most dangerous of the namers from long ago, and now that guy is reaking havok. Thus why they say the world is burning down etc...Kvothe doesn't need to be a chandrian for this to be happening. Also, Kvothe obviously somehow changed his name and messed up his abilities, reference how Elodin reacted when he thought Kvothe had changed his name previously. @@strictlyfantasy

@samuelbroaddus2733 4 года назад

Oh , forgot to mention that him opening the doors makes sense, since he is obviously a lackless on his mother’s side and they were supposed to be able to open the doors.

@marcusrodger 4 года назад

Another fantastic video! Thank you ❤️

@lawreadinggreen7117 4 года назад

I have a theory that Felurian gets killed in the Door Of Stone. I came to this conclusion when a remembered the promise that Kvothe made to Felurian that he would come back to the Fae realm for her, when he finished making her song. But as we can see Kvothe isnt with Felurian in the present time, his in the waystone inn. So i assume she was either killed or for some other reason she allowed Kvothe to leave her.

@pairot01 4 года назад

Kvothe lied. He lies. He's a liar.

@lawreadinggreen7117 4 года назад

@@pairot01 But sooner or later he will return to the fae realm and i'm sure that where ever Kvothe is in the fae realm, felurian will find him.

@jschoma11 4 года назад

I think he just wont finish her song. He doesn't have to return until he chooses to essentially.

@GabrielRodriguesYT 2 года назад

It gave me chills. So many possibilities. Please, somebody make ma man Pat finish the bloody book.

@thecomet6276 4 года назад

👏👏 Thank you! Chandrian might mean seven rians. Ria is short from Rian, we found out during hemme’s first class.

@thomastbrowne 4 года назад

Ok, if you don't get the main key plot where the family is the Chandrian. faking death to get there kid to go to school. only to become the man he is today. Why is it that kvothe the only one who doesn't know about the play?

@AlbinosaurusR3X 2 года назад

I haven't fully pieced together the details of how, but I strongly suspect that the king Kvothe ends up killing is Ambrose, and I suspect it will be because Denna dies, possibly at Kvothe's hands--and possibly orchestrated by Cinder. The main reason this seems so likely to me is Kvothe repeatedly rejects honors to the king (such as toasts) and disrespects him outright, almost reflexively. While this might be true if the king is any member of the Seven, it seems awkward and out of place if this is the case.

@andofcourseceltic2958 4 года назад

The chandrain might have once been the best fighters of the seven cites mentioned by skarpi excluding Mar tyrneal and they were blessed with immortality to fight the far in the creation war but they betrayed there cites with lanre making them cursed

@christophergraham30 4 года назад

Or something happens in book 3 that splits Kvothe into 2 separate beings. One the inn keeper, the other the demon.

@lordgino4163 2 месяца назад

Selitos isn’t the Cthae. Teccam is. He was the hermit in the cave that spoke to Jax in Hespe’s story. The story of Ecannis is him being bound to the tree.

@WarraWarraW 4 года назад

The silence being Kvothe's sign is intersting. But what if his music is his sign?. Maybe thats why he kept silence, to avoid "wake" his chandrian power or something.

@rossjamestobitt 4 года назад

Why do you pronounce it Qwothe? Is it an 'in joke'? Here is Patrick Rothfuss pronouncing it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MPEB6NAGoYk.html

@martinleininger2543 3 года назад

what if kvothe delivered Haliax from his curse and took it upon himself, and that's why he's waiting death, because he can't die anymore, that could also be why he doesnt defend himself from the attack that Bast set up against him. curious if this sounds believable to someone

@tonyug113 3 года назад

It would be perfect for the end of a Pre-Quel , setting up a new threat (or are the chnadrian the rebellion?) Is kvothe the eighth chandrian like on the vase, or does he kill and thus replace cinder. Was Elodin a failed attempt to produce a chandrian (ie was he previuosly tamberlin but changed his name to escape the fate.) And is the entire manipulation by cinder an attempt to create or rebirth a chandrian which requires an act of historic betrayel to enact. And the big question are the chandrian really the good guys.

@ofekcohen7147 4 года назад

We know that the chandrian are still alive and that they are hunting kvothe as when he tells their names Bast is terrified that they will come hunting him.

@ivanhunter6492 2 года назад

It would be interesting to see Kvothe becoming a chandrian after he presumably slays Cinder with Haliax offering him a place at their side

@amdarkcomics4231 4 года назад

LOLOLOLOOLOOOOOLOLOOLOLOLOOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOL No idea why this is in my recommended but im super glad I never read a series until its completely written...you poor poor bastards

@FirstOfTheMagi 3 года назад

There's also a point in The Wise Man's Fear where Kvothe seemingly jokes about how young Chronicler and Bast (who's 150) are. It definitely seems to be intended as just a joke to say they're naive but if Kvothe was a Chandrian he could be telling the story further in the future than we think

@m.caeben2578 8 месяцев назад

Then Master Elodin would also be quite aged, given that Kvothe and the Chronicler talk about him, so I would consider it unlikely.

@stephengrant4841 6 месяцев назад

Doesn't Kvothe read a book by the Chronicler when he's at the university? Didn't he write the Draccus book?

@m.caeben2578 6 месяцев назад

@@stephengrant4841 , Yes, but we are assuming the Chronicle went to the university at the age they begin acceptance. It seems more likely, at least for me, the Chronicler voyaged into his investigative journeys and discovered plenty, to then decide to later delve into the arcanist arts. To five benefit of the doubt, we might say he was a prolific writer, so much of his fame came while he was relatively young.

@ishiable 4 года назад

Chandra =moon in "Sanskrit Auri= Moon Fae Maybe Auri is somehow connected to chandrian, i think.

@CobaltContrast 3 года назад

Like the woman on the vase.

@waterchild_2310 3 года назад

Auri is probably derived from 'aurum' - gold. Her hair is gold and I hear a theory that it's often hinted in the books that she's of royal blood (also related to the most precious metal probably). I'm not sure about the connection to the Chandrian, but at the end of the day who really knows until the book is released..

@nathan_knows_nothing 3 года назад

I always thought that Auri might be the part of the moon that has been stolen in one of the many sub stories ...She is always described to be quite lunar/loony and also in TSROST the illustrations almost always show her in some connection to the moon

@pairot01 4 года назад

I interpret the "those who matter know the difference" entirely the opposite way. The difference being instead of there being *one more* Chandrian there is *one less*

@letsgomaisie 4 года назад

Literally the "difference"

@hiraimran2848 4 года назад

I have a theory that Meluan Lackless is Kvothe’s aunt. Kvothe’s tells us his mother was of nobility and fell in love with her father, joining the Edema Ruh. Similarly, Meluan hates the Ruh since her sister fell in love with a trouper and joined them. Moreover, Kvothe studies Meluan’s face for a long time, sensing it to be frustratingly familiar yet he can’t put his finger on what makes her so familiar.

@banshulr 4 года назад

I think at this point we can assume he is half lackless Also his Father has a poem about his wife,check out the ending "Not tally a lot less" Natalia lockless

@hiraimran2848 4 года назад

Anshul Reddy ooo going point

@jschoma11 4 года назад

@@banshulr yeah I think the familiarity he feels with Meluan, her Ruh issues and that poem/song pretty much seal his lackless heritage. Not to mention his mother scolding him and taking offense to that lady lackless nursery rhyme. It also gives kvothe that bloodline. I forget the whole line but it allows kvothe to satisfy a "son/sun who brings the blood"

@joshuavincent3515 10 месяцев назад

Silence can also refer to stories. In the beginning he doesn't want to tell the story but is made to. But also note that the smith-boy rejected to hear the story. What if the silence refers to belief and the silence of three parts refers to the three in the inn.

@albionflux 4 года назад

Could be something along the lines of how certain names and actions have the power of summoning. Say when he sings it calls them to him or something along that line so even if he is a chandrian hes hiding himself from the rest.

@erkencikus2332 8 месяцев назад

Kvothe is not a Chandrian but he became as cruel as they are and also he knows it, this is one of the most simple reasons why he is acting like Kote, he hates who he is.

@matthewaguilarschnitzer6518 4 года назад

Mind blown

@schokoladenbrownies 4 года назад

You deserve so many more subscribers!

@jacobcollison1162 3 года назад

Kvothe is a chandrian and sealed his own name so Haliax cannot hold power over him. As Haliax showed his power over the other chandrian.

@thegovernment0usa 4 года назад

It's not Kwothe, it's Kvothe. Pronounced ALMOST exactly the same as "Quoth."

@stevehallett9886 4 года назад

In my world Pat mispronounces several of the words. But I forgive him.

@mrtkhrmn 3 года назад

What if someone kills more than one of them at the same time? What if they start killing each other?

@Kasman2002 4 года назад

It’s been so long I completely forgot about these guys!

@shawnetlinger2676 4 года назад

I believe in Patrick... I will wait as long as it takes!!!

@RUdigitized 3 года назад

Theory: the third book is in the box it was planned all along

@sunfyredoves6727 4 года назад

Do a video who u think who is kovte 's real parents! Plz

@zoltannagy6948 4 года назад

Te = You, yes, that is correct! :)

@felurianmasters4369 4 года назад

This would make sense that he would want this written down, as to mqke knowledge of them, their names, and how theu work. Maybe chronicler is badass enough to carryout its publication. Consider its written language isnt common.

@felurianmasters4369 4 года назад

Leaves room for this being prequel