@@pyroronnie2473 It's really not. I had a fantastic time with it and played it 12 hours straight the first day i played it. Game definitely deserves the high critic scores.
@@DSmith3279 Hell of a lot better than Anthem, Death Stranding, Crackdown 3, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Umbrella Corps, The Quiet Man, Life of Black Tiger, Life is Strange 2, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5, Godzilla, etc.
@@supernightslash Ok yeah, it's not that bad, but still very much worth mentioning in terms of one of the worst game sequels ever made just because the quality difference between the first game's story to this one is staggering.
Didn't buy the game, the warnings came very very early that this game was gonna be like The Last Jedi. Mainstream gaming reviews mean nothing at this point.
Do you view Last of Us as a blockbuster summer movie? You're also comparing two completely different movie from a video game, that don't even share the same genre.
Mark Layhee It is similar in the way that mainstream critics completely overlook obvious flaws and act like you’re not allowed to have a negative opinion of it
dude i am not a contrarian or anything, but i loved that actually, people change and you stop loving them and they will stop loving you, I felt something very special beating the shit out of Eli in the boss fight. you need to learn to let go my bro.
monke I think the movie is shit but I do respect it the most since force awakens was just a soft reboot and rise of sky walker tried to appeal to everyone but failed to appeal to anyone
@@blakkdeaff4460 actually all and all, definitely the most interesting and ambitious one, even if flawed, but better (IMO) that 7 (a soft remake) and 9 (an atrocious mess of a film that made me cringe many times).
Actually enjoy the gameplay but man, this story just doesn’t make me care. I notice I pick up my phone at cut scenes to pass the time. The first one had me glued, unbelievable intensity.
Part 2 is an actual horror game. The story is a nightmarish horror. Worked for me, its more "intense" in my opinion as well. I think for people who enjoy nihilistic themes in horror its pretty superb. Gamers aren't really intelligent enough on average for a game like this to resonate
@@popcultureworld1096 games as a complex narrative borrowing heavily from film is a new concept. You read the responses and criticism of the game and its a copy paste set of complaints mostly from people who haven't played it. Those criticisms are not of the level we see people discuss films or literature. Gamers are an extremely toxic group. There are people who don't like the story rightly so if they don't like this kind of horror. But to claim the game is dreadful and a piece of crap is embarrassing. We rate functional fun games with great audio, level design, graphics and performance highly when it comes to games like resident evil 2 remake but not the same here. Resident evil 2 remake has a goofy shallow story oversaturated in cliches, but its still a great game. Its also only 8 hours long and has arkaic gameplay far inferior to the last of us. Despite this the game has redmeedimg qualities. We are know saying that only in this instance do we judge the game on its story only, it doesn't matter if thats the draw or not. It still deserves to evaluated on the same scale as its peers in the genre. There is also the fact some of us love ellies descent into madness as i explained. I think its a class a piece of horror fiction.
@@soup8786 %Spoilers in last Paragraph% Resident Evil 2 is a remake of an old classic, thats why is not judged as an actual new game first of all. Second of all, TLOU2 is a HEAVILY STORY BASED GAME. RE is not a great example because it doesnt rely on story. RE is about horror, survival, atmosphere and gameplay. While TLOU sacrifices gameplay for story, and that is not bad at all. There are games like Detroit: Become Human, Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls and Until Dawn that are praised for their story and their direction, same with the first title of TLOU. People were ok with its gameplay but were fascinated by the story and the charming interactions of Joel and Ellie. Gamers appreciate stories, and we are used to judge them accordingly. A heavily based platformer should mainly be judged by their platforming, a heavily based story game should be judged by their story. You can judge the other things the game has as well but the main aspect of the game should be the priority. Many including me, agrees that they dont like the direction they took with TLOU2, how many possibilities of making the story better were wasted killing Joel at the start, how the charm of the first game was gone, how Abbie's role in the story was disorganized at best, and many scenes and dialogues were awkward and unnecessary making the game feel unnecessarilly long. We have many games that have interesting stories to tell and are praised accordingly, many can agree or disagree because of how huge gaming is but that doesnt mean that "gamers aren't intelligent". They just dont agree with you.
Joel died for NOTHING. Ellie did NOTHING WRONG! Every one of Abby's friends provoked and attacked her even when offered mercy and she killed them in SELF-DEFENSE. And she is visibly traumatized and regretful. She only wants justice for Joel and to avenge his death. What would ANYONE do in a situation where their family member is tortured and grievously butchered right in front of them like that? Abby is a fundamentally evil character who relishes in the idea of inflicting pain and doesn't feel any remorse. And her father wasn't slowly tortured to death while she was forced to watch... HUGE difference. She was happy at the prospect of slitting a pregnant Dina's throat, and only stopped because Lev asked her not to. They used kids and animals to try and and humanize this irredeemable monster, which is the oldest trick in the book. But somehow Ellie is bad for wanting the same thing? Revenge? LOL Double standard much? The game tries its damnedest to present Ellie in the worst light possible to garner sympathy for a cold-blooded murderer who is unworthy of forgiveness. She gets off on the violence, the killing, Ellie does not. It's just this random metacommentary on the "cycle of violence", except said cycle is a contrived self-perpetuating prophecy by the developers. Once you understand this, any meaning the story holds withers away. This isn't some profound narrative, it's just a hollow platitude. The Fireflies were BAD too! They would have just used the cure to make themselves all immune. Ellie probably would have never even gotten credit for her sacrifice, and they would hold it over people and lord over humanity with their immune army with impunity and use it as a powerplay, as leverage to basically become the new order and take over the world. Ellie should be thanking Joel.
I honestly thought it would have been more interesting if you played as Abby the whole time, but then the game ends with her witnessing Joel kill all the surgeons. That way, you’re not scrambling for the next ten hours to try to make the player have sympathy for her.
It's a great looking game that has a god awful story. Since it's an incredibly story focused game, if you hate the story, it's not worth a play. I would give it a 5-6/10 because of that.
@@roosterjackson7258 Bruh, he gave it credit where is due even if he didnt play it. But he also gave his criticism in the main point of the game ( the story ) whats wrong with it?.
Really like this video. I'm currently on Seattle day 3 as abby and im going to confront ellie. Personally, I enjoy the game from a narrative standpoint. While Seattle day 1 and 2 as abby drag on too long, Seattle day 3 is the main highlight. The escape chapter was some of the coolest stuff I've seen in a video game. Currently excited to see how this goes.
@@His0ka Negan is actually a very likable and charismatic guy. Doesn't change the fact that he was a sadistic tyrant though. Thankfully Kirkman kept him around and redeemed him after he lost the war.
That death scream reminded me of when you kill bandits in borderlands 2 with elemental weapons, they always make me laugh because of how over the top it is
While hearing about how switching directly from ellie's story to abby's, I thought to myself "why can't you just switch sides of the story at any time like in SA2"
They try to pretend like she is philosophical about killing enemies when she is literally mowing them down. Even dishonored 1 handled it with way more finesse, and of course dishonored 2 did a ridiculously good passing of the torch without screwing up Emily or Corvo’s character development. They didn’t make Emily some cringe heroine, you can play the entirety of those games without dropping a single head and it’s massively rewarding. The Last of Us 2 is horrible.
I think Abbys section makes sense because it genuinely drives home the point of the game that you are supposed to question the morality of what Ellie is doing and I think that playing through abbys whole journey just makes the game extremely confronting. It’s a bit long tho I’ll give the complainers that much. I can’t blame anybody for being upset with not playing Ellie. But I think it makes the story stronger. I also think that Abby has some really bad ass set pieces. Don’t act like Abbys part doesn’t have any redeeming qualities.
The only reason this game is the most controversial because people don't bother to actually play the game and just automatically hate it just because OTHER people say it's terrible, instead of forming their own opinion on the game
The whole point of killing Joel at the beginning was to get you upset and mad as hell and frustrated with the game, it’s human emotion, and then showed you the views of the characters and how their life’s were affected by Joel actions. I was upset and angry and didn’t want to play as Abby but as you play and you get to know all the characters you start seeing things different. The problem with this game is that there is a bunch of sheep, they made their minds up before playing the game and never gave it a chance. I think I played 2 times and I don’t remember killing more that 4-8 dogs. And when you killed someone and you here them scream was a nice touch, if you get shot on the stomach or legs you don’t die instant you scream and groan, that’s a nice touch to the games. The levels are incredible
Year old comment, I know, but I wanted to respond anyway. People aren't mad that Joel was killed off, they were mad because his death was STUPID. He's been a survivor of the zombie apocalypse since it began and he's learned not to trust anyone, yet he gets right in the middle of a room with a bunch of armed strangers and drops his name, knowing full well that there are likely people that are after him after what he did to the Fireflies? Abby is also a terrible character, she's an absolute sociopath that the game tries so hard to get you to sympathize with, but that's impossible when she's a complete and utter monster. She never shows remorse for killing Joel, she nearly kills Dina who was PREGNANT and only stopped because of Lev, and she ultimately doesn't suffer any consequences for her actions. Abby got her revenge and was spared by Ellie and now she gets to go on and live with Lev. So revenge is.... good? Oh wait, revenge is good for Abby, but it's bad for Ellie. 10/10 writing.
@@swordfish1390 you do realize Ellie killed Pregnant Mel right, Abby had every right to kill Dina and Ellie and let them live, so please explain to me how only Ellie is entitled to revenge? Joe wasn’t a good person, that’s the whole point you seem to forget , I guess you missed the part where he was part of a gang that would ambush people and killed them, I guess you didn’t pay attention when Ellie asked him how did he know it was an ambush. The whole reason Tommy and Joe had a falling out was because Joe was a bad guy. Joe doesn’t get redemption because he was selfish in saving Ellie, he’s the villain in the story and if not please explain to us why do you think he’s a hero. That’s what makes the story good, because even good people can do terrible things, no one is exempt. I guess you think shooting Marlene in cold blood was an act of heroism, gees I wonder why Ellie hated him
@@marioslrzn Ellie didn't know that Mel was pregnant until after she killed her, so that point is moot. On top of that, Mel attacked Ellie first and she simply defended herself. Also, I didn't say that only Ellie was entitled to revenge, you completely missed my point. Ellie seeks revenge, spares Abby, and gets punishment. Abby DOES get revenge, is never sorry about it, and suffers no consequences, so what's the message here? Is revenge good or bad? No, Joel wasn't a particularly "good"person, but no one is in that world and everyone is simply trying to survive. Joel didn't go around killing people just for the fuck of it. The big difference between him and Abby is that the game goes so out of its way to portray Abby as virtuous when she's anything but, while Joel is instead portrayed as not necessarily good or evil. but flawed. Joel was a good man who was forced to do things that no one else would want to do. You say that Joel was "selfish" for saving Ellie, but is Abby not selfish for getting revenge for her father? The Fireflies were willing to kill Ellie without even asking her to create a cure. Regardless of how you felt about Joel's decision, he did it out of love. He loved Ellie and didn't want her to die, no good parent, blood-related or not, would be okay with their child being killed like that. In fact, if Joel did just walk away and let them kill her, he'd be borderline sociopathic and it would contradict his character, as well as destroy the message of the game.
@@marioslrzn Considering that Ellie was not only unaware of Mel's pregnancy but also acted in self-defense, yes, I'd say that she gets a free pass as opposed to Abby who says "Good" when Ellie tells her that Dina is pregnant before nearly slitting her throat.
Honestly, if Joel murdered thousands of other people in dishonorous and brutal ways in the first game, why should he be exempt from a similar fate? I know it could’ve been done better and all, but I kinda like the fact that he died in such an anticlimactic, non-heroic way, it makes it feel so much more bleak and realistic, like something out of the Road
If you think the sound of torture turns comical you have a dark mind. Lol I like the varied realism kill threat. I can your points about Abby, but I didn’t mind her as it went on. But a lot of people gonna hate the game for her alone. She’s not such a terrible part of the game as people making.
I hate paid DLC but Abby own segment shoulda been that. But Naughty Dog knew that players would hate her so they didn't and forced her into the overall narrative.
Thans for review.The first half of video(about first half of game)I was like:"This is so awsome,how can say something that ruined it,maybe he is just nitpicking."Boy was I wrong.
Great review ChiGuy! I really like the fact that I finally got to watch a respectful and well thought out review of this game, that analises it critically, instead of apealing to the anti-SJW mob. Honestly, getting recommended so many of these LOU2 rants with the same criticism and nitpicks kinda gets boring and super repetitive, and you’re review feels very refreshing! Thank you.
Politics has no place in reviews no matter if you hate the game or love it it shouldn’t be because of you political opinion that just makes everyone else’s opinion seem insincere and you can’t tell if the game is good
@@theshanaman7805 seeing as this game clearly has contempt for Christians and white men so your full of shit. This game is dripping with the neo liberal agenda and is honestly downright satanic. It thinks depictions of evil make it good, or making the audience mad is somehow deep. This is a political game and to not Mention its politics is disingenuous.
This game introduced new characters that we don't even know or care about. Then they kill Joel so early in the game you don't even play as Joel for at least half way into the game then once again you play as the assassin that killed Joel and still we don't know who this assassin is or where he or she is from so way we even give a fuck. Thanx a lot naughty dog 👎
Great video as always. It's nice to see a real review on this game, not just "This game is a masterpiece because I was paid to say so" or "This game sucks because it sucks"
It really would have benefited from the option to be non violent-it wants to make you feel bad for violence but is not advanced enough to give you the choice to be a better person.
Ellie as the main character, I could get behind. The *BIG* spoiler, I could get behind (I'd have to see for myself). LGBTQ inclusion, of course I could get behind. But the second half being an over 10 hour slog? I can't get behind that. I feel so many games these days just go on forever with no gameplay changes. I find more and more I just can't finish anything bc I've already done the same thing for so long. They could have made her play differently or shortened it if what you're saying is accurate. No way I'm spending $60 on a game that doesn't know when to end. Maybe on sale but even then I don't want to play a game I know I probably won't finish. Thank you for talking about it, no reviews seem to bc they're scared Sony with blacklist them. But I'm already skeptical of a game that the publishers needed to force reviewers to be quiet. Hell, Red Dead 2 is a gigantic and long game and even Take Two didn't stop people from talking about its length or its extreamly long epilogue with another character. But I guess they didn't second guess their decision (also the climax and resolution of the game happens before the epilogue, so it isn't needed if you're bored).
@@IAmNotASandwich453 But it was relatively short. And even then I personally got a bit bored of the mechanics by the end but it wasn't enough time for it to get grating
I was gonna buy the $80 special edition, mostly cause I wanted the steelbook. I decided I couldn't really afford it and instead would just keep my pre-order for Ghost of Tsushima and refund TLoU2. Thank god I did that! I watched another RU-vidr play thru it and it just pissed me off!
I'm very disappointed. I avoided being an avid fan of the first game hoping to continue the experience with this one. But when I heard about what they did with the story, I can't help but side with the fans that are torn up over what Naughty Dog thought was ok to do with it. You put love into a franchise, you cheer them when you see them at cons, and this is their answer to you. Who would ever think that's ok? This should have been a standalone game in another story universe, instead of 'boldly' shocking fans with what happens to the characters they wanted to come back to, and forcing impostor characters down their throat.
Why people hate the game and these reasons are not criticisms -People didn't get their fan fiction -Women should have noodle arms, even though there are bigger women than Abby -Joel's death in the beginning is objectively bad even though story telling is subjective -Guys view Joel like Nathan Drake - Its assumed you're forced to hate Joel and Ellie and sympathize with Abby, but the game's universe makes it clear there are no good people in this world - We need more tags with "SJW" "feminists" "soy boys" "access media" "Neil Cuckman" " I summed up everything you need to know. I'm addressing people who are review bombing the game and or don't know narratives and characters, but pretend they do. People who legit dislike the game are not the problem.
@UltraPlushie I don't hate Joel, he was irrational at the end of the original game but that's what most people would have done. I view Ellie's behavior and ambitions as an 80s action movie, much like First Blood, but it fits in the universe of the game. People don't understand, there are no heroes in this game, they should be judged as normal people. I honestly don't understand what people wanted for Joel to do, he's past middle aged status and won't be like Nathan Drake or Marcus Fenix plowing through mushrooms. Joel's death was realistic, a "blaze of glory" death is entirely cartoony and doesn't fit with The Last of Us. Rick Grimes got a blaze of glory "death" and people were justified in hating it. Abby is not a likeable character, bingo that's the goal of her existence. I found Abby interesting and its clear the game is more of her story than Ellie's. Abby and her gang were not being painted as the good guys, they were living their lives just like any other group of people would in that type of world.
I still don't know how Ellie even stands a chance. She's a tiny girl and somehow can take out entire groups by herself. Abbie doing this makes a bit more sense, at least she has the muscle and strength to take people head on
I legitimately had a hard time finishing this game. I beat it in around 25 hours, and was constantly checking my watch toward the end. Terrible pacing issues mar this otherwise solid game. TLOU1 is infinitely better because of it. Good story imo, just really hard to finish once you get a few hours into Abby's play though. Would have rather watched a movie, gameplay wasn't compelling enough to carry 25 hours. Not to say that the gameplay wasn't good, just started getting stale around the 20 hour mark.
What honestly offends me is how they gave one of the best father figures in gaming such a uncharacteristic, disrespectful, and unceremonious death and then had a self insert spit on his corpse. All right before Fathers Day too.
This is uncharacteristic of me, but I think the 5 or 6 people have been giving this game are actually accurate. You can have a gameplay based game with a god awful story get an 8, and that would be accurate too, because if the story is just a placeholder for gameplay, then it's fine for it to not be amazing. But TLoU IS a story driven game first, where the gameplay is just a means to get to the next story bit. A good example of this would be Death Stranding. I actually liked the gameplay, but I didn't find it amazing. To me, DS is a 8.5-9 game because the story comes first. So yeah, I'm sorry for Naughty Dog because the gameplay really looks stellar, but if the story tanks, then the whole game follows.
Thank for your review Shy guy! I see reviewers being only capable of saying the words ten and outta, and the fans treat like it is the worst game ever. It was quite an informative and fair review
Hmmmm,maybe they shouldve made like a second game called "abyys story" that wouldve made it wayyyyyy better.in fact,i think it would be more impactful if in the end,things change(you know what i mean) and the play abbys story,making you sad that you.......changed the ending...... You even got the satisfaction of changing the ending,so now that you did that,you would feel bad for your actions.
So it's like you're a kid at your birthday party bouncing with your fans on a great boucy house with your friends and really good cake and everything is great. But half way through the party you can your friends are snatched up by the parents and forced for the rest of the day to hear a 6 hour long lecture.
It's strange how they wanted to make Joel's death realistic; when Ellie had many of the same chances in the game. Nope they wanted to make her into a superhuman because she's trans. What a lot of horseshit
Bro the same thing with the menus with Abby happened to me I will never forget how mad I was. Why the fuck am I playing in a cult war with Abby the last of us is about two characters and two characters only
BULLSEYE! I really enjoyed the review sir.. You are only one of the few youtubers who reviewed this one with brutal honesty.. More power to the channel and much love from the Philippines 🇵🇭
Is everyone just going to forget how terribly Naughty Dog treated their employees or did I fucking dream that shit, it never gets brought up, and now that we know how good this game is, it's sad to think that all the people who got treated like shit were probably treated in such away to make the second half of this game.
Woof. It probably would have made sense to give the player an option to play the villain after the game was over instead of forcing them to play through it again. It's like Super Ghouls and Ghosts forcing you to play again to get the ring.
You missed the bit where while Abby gets her revenge and barely loses anything, Ellie fails to carry hers out and loses everything. Thus making the moral of the story to always engage in revenge and follow through.
They could have just made a seperate mode like what the castlevania games do. Have the main story be just Ellie and then a separate mode playing as Abby. Although, they probably should have done a massive rewrite of the script to make it work well because you would still hate the character.
Imagine the Punisher mowing through hundreds of unnamed henchman to get to the people that killed his family, finally catches up with them and then just decides not to go through with it for arbitrary reasons. And if you want to bring up Netflix Punisher, we can go that route.
This would be similar if Nintendo replaced the Mario brothers in a new Mario title where the whole title you play as these new female sister Mario brother clones and we use them to defeat the Mario brothers and win the game 0/
The second trailer of the game was already a red flag for me with all the torture without any context, but idk this game seems so disconnected in themes from the first one, revenge didn't motivate any character in the first game...
I think the game is fine, I see what you are saying about the second half of the game. To me though it is like getting two games in one, playing as a hero and a villain, both in one game. I just absolutely hate the review bombing and most of the reviews are from people who have not even played the game.
For me this is not the worst game of this generation. But it is definitely the most disappointing and easily the most anger inducing to me. I don't like Abby's playthrough, but I also don't like Ellie's. This whole story is a dumpster fire, and it's not helped by the bad writing and dialogue. After the first game I did not want a direct sequel. I would have been alright with another game set in this world, but with characters who have nothing to do with Joel and Ellie.
It's a sad game, Joel didn't have to die like that. Forcing LBGT on us is annoying because they could of put more effort in the story. Playing as Abby after she killed Joel is trash.
Not to sound sexist or anything like that, but Abby looks so buffs it's kinda distracting, like you photoshopped a girl head onto a male body. Heck even her face looks like an uncanny fuse between a girl and a boy.
Very brutally honest review out there you did a really really good job with this one part 2 destroyed the story for me and you explained perfect with describing how the second half basically felt like the other characters hijacked the last amount of time we could spend with Joel and Ellie
Playing as Abby for a small section, trying to get to sympathize with her might have worked, but for half the frickin game? Not even the section in the first game where you played as Ellie was that long.
Why did they hide Abby in the story trailers and artwork in the first place? (Except for the torture teaser) She's a main character lol. And why did ND miss lead us in the trailers by putting Joel along Ellie in his journey? Such a disappointment
