The One Scene That Explains Why DARK KNIGHT is Better Than BATMAN - SCENE FIGHTS 

Heather ledger for sure.

I think Joaquin Phoenixs joker

Heath ledger

Joaquin did so good

Ledger is the best *Joker* Joaquin is the best *Arthur Fleck*

Guy Jack lol

👍

@Randy Gonzalez agreed

Lmao

I agree. I did not care for Ledger's laugh which he seldom did in the movie, plus he never tells a joke, not once.

Gamers rise up

Bruh we really live in a society

Mr. Achievement unlocked what lol

@@brandonhunt6389 that coment it's funny after the joker movie gets released

Moon Boy We live in a society

The Joker faxxx

Jared Leto: High on drugs

In my Opinion, Heath Ledger is a Creepy Clown

Jack nicholson. Mobster Heath ledger. Terroist Jared leto. Crime boss Joaquin phoenix. Serial killer

Jared Leto: A really squeaky floorboard.

Nicholson Joker: The iconic Joker. Ledger Joker: Anarky in face paint

wawuglio ledger joker is far superior to Nicholson’s joker .

Thicc Boi Nicholson actually played the Joker. He was based on 5 decades of comic book appearances. Burton read the comics and he Nicholson nailed the character. All Ledger's character had in common with the Joker was a name and a costume. Nolan literally ignored the source material and created an arsonist who wore face paint. Ledger only read one comic in his whole life. He read The Killing Joke only because they gave it to him as a reference. Clearly you don't like the Joker, you like psychotic arsonists in face paint.

wawuglio clearly you don’t know what an opinion is then

Thicc Boi I know the difference between an informed opinion and an uninformed one Jack Nicholson nailed the Joker's persona - Informed Heath Ledger played the Joker _ Uninformed

Brantley Albert Jack Nicholson = The Joker. Jared Leto = Joker. Heath Ledger = A hobo/punk.

Mark Hamill= The Joker Jack Nicholson= 2nd best Joker Heath Ledger=phsycotic joker Caesar Romero= The OG Jared Leto= A joke

You stole that joke

TRUE THAT

Vincent M yeah true I’m just saying though I like Hamill in my opinion, even if he was just in cartoon form, his voice was just that moving for me.

Riddler: Did someone say enigma?

@Don Johnson s

@Don Johnson Amen....:'(

@Don Johnson Amen....:'(

Randy Gonzalez nigma balls

Superman: *Yeah he really would*

JOKER

This town needs an enema! *buzzzz* *buzzz*

and I thought my jokes were bad

* Punches him off the roof *

Lol

Ikr

And it sounds nothing like Jack Nicholson?

They sound nothing alike. Screenrant just makes shit up

Astute observation!

That was terrible and lazy gtfo here with that BS!

Letos, most comic accurate and most realistic

starcommtrey also the shittiest

Fellas FELLAS! no need to start a fight!

@@mickg5710 the best. If the movie surrounded him, you would have loved him.........

@@BamaShinesDistillery lol no

Oh No here comes Pennywise.

Reminds me of the spiderman 2 game

"Where does he [BATMAN] get those wonderful toys" JOKER LINE 1989😂😂😂😂

That should be a Meme.

Hilarious!!!! Then he said, "why didn't somebody tell me he had one of those....things!" Hahahahahahhahaha!

Nah I have a lot of faith in Joaquin Phoenix

Wish he was alive too. But not gonna say that he should act in another movie as joker. Joaquin is a mind blowing actor. Let him do his thing.

Wish he was alive, don't wish him to be in the new joker movie. Joaquin seems like he's gonna be the best joker there is

Just watched joker and OMFG jaquene phoenix killed it ... He is the best joker ever .. but huge respect to heath ... Hope he rip

He fits a villain better. The new joker is a completely diffrent movie except its named "Joker"

I lost my balooooooooooon.

NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME HE HAD ONE OF THOSE... THINGS?!

YEAH, ON FREE BALLOON DAY BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

@@sic6664 Bob, gun please.

if they wrote Jared Leto better he could have been great.

Ceaser Romero = God like

Actually, Cesar Romero is the original.

The Director's Cut of Suicide Squad shows Leto's talents in a better light. @@shadowbounty6173

Cassandra Morrison well I only watched it once in theaters I’ll try and watch the directors cut

What do you mean? Does he look like a man with a plan?

What about that line makes him a cut above most villains?;

@@WoahLookAtThatFreak There are so many evil plans that get foiled in the last minute, pretty much because the hero was able to beat the enforcer in their duel. But then you have Joker, who puts everything in place before even coming face to face with Batman. Or even Palpatine, who is set to win **if** the hero fights, gives into their anger

I think you mean "Hey that's Agent K from Men In Black"

@@theeagle3129 Billy Dee Williams plays Dent in the 1989 Batman movie so I do mean Lando Calrissian. You're referring to Tommy Lee Jones who does play two-face but it's in the God awful Batman Forever.

@@laughingbehelit Billy Dee who? Sounds like a guy who would betray his friend to an asthmatic robot in the midst of a war in the stars.

Brick Top they were holding back on Dent’s part in Batman for later movies. Iirc, the actor for Dent is actually referred to as “Two-Face”.

Zainjal26 Noooooo way kiddo THINK when you say “To DAtE” you’re saying it’s better than “stand by me”, “Shawshank redemption”, oh let me name some for you’re generation kid how about “a Star is born” or “bohemian rhapsody”, “Moonlight” “Deadpool 1” their are just so soo many movies that could be considered greatest but simply “aren’t”.

@@nbaallstar16_2kyt6 I agree with what you say but The Dark Knight is definitely better than every movie you named. Imo, of course.

Dustin Ray my guy honestly watch any of those movies. DC is aasssss dark night comes nowhere close to any movie I named

@Zainjal26 Logan definitely gives it a run for it's money and I would say is actually more better in most places

Ninjarmy 609 it’s all opinion my guy

Taner Archibald you’ve got to be a weekly wackadoo.

As a kid i didn't notice the mustache Ha HaHa Ha

At least it wasnt as awful as Henry cavill weird superman mouth in justice league.

@@SaurianStudios1207 I knew there was something up with his mouth

Phoenix : Arthur Fleck

Phoenix more like the delusional

@@joshuachang5210 a man with severe mental issues with no support from society.

@@homiefromfl which made him delusional

Very adept interpretation. You even included Romero, applause.

You need help?

I am the exact same i still laugh with the joker 🃏

@@issie0378 it's chuckle-worthy, especially given the format here: it's a bit removed from context.

Not even close

@Mr. Perfect Cell are you dumb?

Yea

mikebsexy yes, His “Look at Me!” Delivered by the Joker off-screen just before he murders Brian, the batman impersonator, Is nothing short of chilling...almost demonic, seemingly coming from someone or someplace else than the Joker we have seen to that point...it sent chills down my spine during numerous viewings.

Honestly if it werent Ledger whole Dark knught thrilogy would be medicore...it had one good villan...rest are pretty much dull...

Attention*

He'll no he was no legend Brandon Lee was the best joker if he would've played the part look at how the crow was made heath ledger played a gay man cowboy in brokeback mountain so what kind of legend is that you must be gay....

@@danemianm9535 wtf did you even just say. You were high when you posted this weren't you

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@@danemianm9535 troll, and a douchebag.

@@danemianm9535 How is the joker gay or any sexuality that is known, his sexuality is never shown in the film or even expressed

UNDERRATED

He rose from the ashes slightly worse this time

Jared Leto.

Meh, Phoenix joker is aiight...heath ledger joker is a true sophisticated savage

@Secure the Bag. No my friend it is Jared Leto's Joker that will be forgotten.

"Well hello beatiful" :)

Ledger is more real, Nickholson s joker is too perfectly painted...you dont ever see anything like this in real life...and he was too old for Joker too

pazuzu 777 “wanna hear how I got these scars”

peeprz boi I’m 24 not that, that have any reason but, he was referring to When Joker walks into the party looking for Harvey and Rachel (I think that’s her name) distracts joker from an old man. Joker then swipes his hair back and walks slowly towards Rachel and says “Well hello there beautiful” which is genius and since when was calling someone beautiful a bad thing? I call things and people beautiful all the time doesn’t matter what age, race or gender.

Hailey Q Yes and he’s so dark and he makes so much sense which makes him even more real and brilliant!

Agreed. Well said

Ledger's Joker is actually more accurate to the modern Batman books circa 1980's - present. Nicholson's Joker was more accurate to the 1940's - 1970's.

Well said

In other words ledger didn't play the Joker he created his own character that happened to wear a Joker outfit.

@@wawuglio Ledger played the Joker if the Joker in the books were to exist in the real world. It was the amalgam of the 1930's & late 80's- 2000 version of the Joker. Less clown more sociopath. The use of paint on his skin seemed more like his true face rather than someone who was wearing paint on his face.

Yes, both were perfect for what they wanted to be.

Lenns Music so true! :)

Awesomeaaron 556 Agreed. It’s a very interesting and ironic twist.

Honestly it was just one prisoner with a conscience that removed the option to kill the citizens. If he hadn't been there, who knows what would've happened.

That's what made it a very thought provoking movie. The people who aren't killers want to kill, but the people who have killed don't want to. Because they know how it feels to kill, it tears your soul apart. So they don't.

@@Rupture-13 the plot made him do that, just so you know.

@@christopherholt6750 that's some bullshit. Any normal criminal would've turned the key a thousand times. The same goes for the ordinary people.

leto didn't get his due time

Andres Anguiano Zuñiga Jared Leto is NOT The Joker. He is a Joke.

Andres Anguiano Zuñiga More "clowny? You do realize Joker looks like a fucking clown appearance wise don't you?

Andres Anguiano Zuñiga and soon to be Joaquin Phoenix😁

Andres Anguiano Zuñiga jared leto.....

Society

We live in one...

Comic Joker ENTP Ledger Joker ENTP Jack nickelson ENTJ Jared Leto ESTP Arthur Fleck ISFP

Wait I think you got the pure evil mixed up. Ledger's Joker was going to blow up a hospital with children and babies in them. Nicholson's Joker just wanted to steal back the press from Batman.

No! Nicholson Joker just wanted to kill everybody! Remember he stared eye to eye with a child (Bruce Wayne) and was ready to kill him in cold blood and Bob the goon stopped him?

Edward Winters did you forget about the gas balloons that killed a bunch of innocent people on the streets of Gotham in Batman?

And all the innocent people he gassed to death in the art gallery/restaurant, just for his own amusement.

VJagentONE Well said! This comment should win an academy award.

Not true there are multiple joker adaptations in the comics the gold age joker (jack nicholson) the silver age joker (the wierd joker in the batman series) and bronze age (heath ledger) so they both performed accurate jokers

Yes, Jacks joker was no mystery and his motives were clear. He wanted vicky vale and he was narcissist. Ledgers wanted just to "see the world burn"

This post doesn't make any sense, Heath Ledger's joker is far better, and is the best and most accurate joker from the comics

The truth is donald marshal played the joker in most of the scenes in the dark knight.his consciousness " soul " uploaded into a Heath clone. Donald made up a lot of his lines on the spot too. The real heath died at one of the cloning centers. Landed on his neck trying to head spin a break dancing move then shot in the head.

Nice BS. Bale is by far worst batman ever, only match by one person. Batman voice IS joke, Bale is joke, choreography is joke. HOW can batman make people afraid if HE IS pussy like Bale version was ? And Joke, even if great, had nothing to do with Comics version.

@@MsAres355 i agree.

ares354 ares354 Because everything has to be about the comics yes.

Anarchist Atheist Username checks out

ares354 ares354 I actually like his voice because The Dark Knight aimed for a more realistic approach. If Batman or any superhero type of figure was real, they would do what comes natural to cover up their voice, they wouldnt care how dumb it sounds. I gotta agree the choreography is garbage, but people dont watch the Dark Knight as much for the fighting as they do for the story and dialogue (which is absolutely amazing imo). Whether you like Bale as Batman/Bruce Wayne or not really does come down to personal taste, but I think hes good as Batman and the best as Bruce Wayne (Michael Keaton was definitely the best Batman, but I didnt find his Bruce Wayne very interesting). And as for the Joker, hes so damn good and freaky that I could give two shits if it had to do with the comics version or not

Nicholson's is Overrated!

@@thejoker8293 Ledger is overrated.

@@theunknowncommenter725 yes!

@@thejoker8293 actually ledger is overrated

i love that part!

Trilogy?

EliasJr6007 ye Batman begins (2005) , dark knight (2008) and dark knight rises (2012)

They are great

@@anonymouscarrot4899 fax, when rises ended I was at a loss of words. It was such an emotional conclusion for me

Best trilogy ever

Me too he was a awful joker

True

Yes you can.

@@piecrumbs9951 no

@@rockzilla1664 Both yes and no. Had Nicholson been replaced by another actor as Joker, Ledger's portrayal of the character would still be just as good. He explicitly admitted to not using Nicholson's performance as a reference due to wanting to do his own thing.

well said

Agreed! Comparing Nicholson to Ledger is like comparing Romero to Nicholson. A different man for a different time and a different audience. I found the comparison of the films, however, insightful.

@@jessealvarez779 plus different versions of the series

WTF.. fuckin excuses. They shouldn't be compared bcuz Jack was pure garbage compared to Ledger. Everyone has their stupid childhood biases connected to Jack but let's face it, the movie, along with Jack's joker, was trash

I agree but still love the Nicholson joker more because of him being comedic gangster joker. Mark Hamill makes them all look like leto though

Jared Frost no..but he did a magic trick...by making the pencil disappear..

He able put a smile in your face 😀🤞🤞

*default dance*

Jared Frost Did Bale dance? Did Keaton dance? No, if we’re judging dancing skills, we all know who is best. West!

@@Jack-zz7bc jack danced ……...moron

Yep better than the crap we got today

I had the batwing.. Never forgot that toy.. You could actually grab balloon strings with it.. 😆

@Fianna In no possible way is the 89' version better

Yes there is

Markus Jæger they’re completely different movies. So they’re both the best Batman movies for different reasons.

"Let's compare these two scenes that have nothing on common." Maybe next you can compare the sex scene from Shame to the chase in Mad Max Fury Road lol

Except for all the stuff they have in common 🤔

yea but in the first 3minutes he tells how similar they are

You can compare 2 of the most abstract movies or things in the world if you look for what they have in common. Apples and oranges: which is sweeter, which is tarter, which is juicier, which tastes better? A girl and a boy: who’s more athletic, who’s smarter, who’s more patient, and who’s a better person? Astrophysics and a wooden table: which is more important to advances in technology, what materials make these up, and when were these discovered? Jack Nocholson’s Joker and Heath Ledger’s Joker: which Joker fits the comic book character better, which character has stronger symbolism, which Joker has more memorable lines and powerful scenes, which Joker is more entertaining to watch for the viewer, and which Joker is better? The idea that two things that aren’t exactly the same can’t be compared is a fallacy. The reason we compare things is to point out their differences, not their similarities. Would you compare two identical apples? No, of course not, you would compare two apples that taste different, or look different, or have different sizes. That’s exactly what Nicholson and Ledger are, two apples. It’s easy to compare.

DIE TV The Joker isn’t meant to be symbolic? Shows what you know about the batman universe. Everything is meant to be symbolic. Batman and Joker are symbolic of yin and yang, good vs evil.

Yeah only stupid quote he had.

DjJokerr Why So Serious is an amazing quote

DjJokerr “If you’re good at something never do it for free”

@@DjJokerr "I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you stranger" "And I thought my jokes were bad" "I'm gonna make this pencil disappear" "If you're good at something never do it for free" "Lets not blow this out of proportion" "You wanna know how I got these scars" "Why So Serious?" And it's just 30 minutes into the movie

@@DjJokerr You're a piece of shit.

You meant remake

Honestly that's how I feel about Ocarina of time and Ocarina Of Time 3D.

Really dumb comment

Billy Tuck I'm glad you decided to inform us of this...you cleared up a lot of confusion for everyone else.😐 Your comprehensive skills are in question tho.

But the scene is still known as his last laugh. Everybody knows it wasn’t him laughing, that was obvious. But the toy laughing represents that he still got the last laugh.

@@tigeremperor101 Are you still in high school? Your reading comprehension is bad AF. Let me make it easier for you to understand. Back in 1989, everyone talked about how great Jack Nicholson's performance of the Joker was. When The Dark Knight was released, Heath Ledger was definitely talked about, but not to the same level.

Why the f you lying.

“All Hail The New King in Town”

Was awesome.

Legit did the album just to get with Kim Basinger. Still a ton of bangers on the album, plus one of the sexiest ballads of all time “Scandalous”.

BATDANCE

Correct. And it was completely intended that way from the day Burton came aboard the project. While alot of wimps like to say "oh TDK made me feel and get in touch with my feminine side as opposed to Batman 89 which is a dumb white dudes's "EMPTY" 80s action movie" Bullshit. Producer Michael Uslan and Director Tim Buton are very upfront about this. The special features on the making of blu-ray for Batman 89', Uslan stated that he and Tim wanted to go back to the roots of the character as he was originally intended to be by his creators Bill Finger and Bob Kane: as this dark creature of the night hunting criminals without pity or remorse. But these were characteristics of the 1930s-40s pulp comic book protagonists and very adult in comparison to the first superhero ever created, Superman. So who can we point to (that more than likely Kane and Finger loved and were influenced by themselves) in Pop Culture of late 1930s America, who's popularity was on par with Superman but in complete contrast to the tone and ethics of the big blue boy scout? The Shadow. (www.quora.com/Would-it-be-fair-to-say-the-character-of-The-Shadow-had-a-powerful-influence-on-Bill-Fingers-and-Bob-Kanes-interpretation-and-creation-of-Batman), "THE SHADOW" is the closest to Who and What Batman was created to be as a character, both conceptually and tonally based on how Finger reflected that in those golden age story-lines. It's an undeniable connection which influenced the entire character going foward despite the fact that the 1950s, 60s, and 70s didn't care to reflect in depictions. It's also a fact that modern Batman fanboys (especially the ultra-moralistic bleeding heart Nolan fans) will scoff at due to the use of guns by the hero, casual killing of bad-guys, and flippant attitude towards human life BUT you don't ever get a return to a dark and gritty Batman that Frank Miller most notably did in the mid 80s without FIRST AND FOREMOST Respecting what the creators of the character chose: the grim and ruthless creature of the night that set up his entire first year prior to getting his own comic and introducing Robin in Batman#1. Batman 89 and Batman Returns have always been the accurate depiction of THAT character based on how Kane and Finger, prior to being watered down in the early 1940s, intended him.

@@thesentinel5523 dude no one is gonna read that. And what the fuck are you on about saying the dark knight gets people in touch with their feminine side? Think you got some issues, bud

@@thesentinel5523 Who has ever said that TDK helps people get in touch with "their feminine side"?

The Sentinel Being closer to the original state of the source material wouldn't change anything about the movie being "a dumb white dudes's "EMPTY" 80s action movie". Not that I believe that.

The Sentinel the feminine side remark was retarded especially to do it at the beginning lol it turned people off from reading that. The rest is all really well done but you made a stupid mistake in the beginning

Good thing he's dead. Most overrated Joker ever!

Or...they complain about both...right?

Sharp Design 😂😂😂 I like this comment cz u called 89 batman "keatman" 😂👌 Loving it

Siddharth Nath he he...as far as I know, I'm the first to give him a nickname.

Sharp Design I know this is going to sound stupid but the only thing that I like about Ben’s batman is that is suit in bvs was comic book accurate and had the arkham game layout in his hud on his bat wing and the rest of his layout other then that I don’t like him as batman.

Sharp Design Actually there is a key difference, in the 80s Batman had his no kill rule but he was inconsistent about it. In Ten Nights of the Beast Batman lets KGB Beast starve to death. There was another comic at the time where Batman disintegrated Ra,s Al Ghul and shot him into space. Robin gets mad at Batman for killing him and Batman simply says " did I Robin". Considering Batman doesn't,t know he is in a comic he probably presumes that this is the last of Ra,s Al Ghul. Now I have only seen certain panels of this comic so maybe their is an explanation but nowadays Batman "never kills". By the time batfleck came out their had been hundreds of comics that explored Batman,s no kill rule. So Batman killing so nonchalantly ruins chances of these storylines being adapted. I haven,t watched the video above yet, but in my opinion the Dark Knight is the most overrated movie of all time.

Raven Rage better than mark hamil?

this is a subjective opinion and not a fact.

Nicholson´s was closer to the comic

Gameking and thus, more canonical

Says the 10 year old..

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Or just you?

@@meldrickedwards1785 r/woooooooooooooooosh

It certainly does. Best comment ever.

Erules 25 more like r/b*

He says after fully planning to blow up a place,and stage a full robbery.

@@hyena234thekids7 I think he planned it out himself but never told anyone, he just told them to do something without explanation

I don't know why but your comment is making me really thirsty.......🤔🥤

Exactly, completely different types of movies...👍👍

Pyrolight poor Bob. He was so loyal, giving his gun to the Joker without hesitation, and then he’s just shot.

Just because movie’s have different tones, you can still compare them. It’s not impossible to subjectively determine which Joker is better. You can compare them on which one fit the Joker more, which one was more entertaining to watch, which one was funnier, which one was darker, cooler, crazier, more psychotic, and better. You can still compare them.

Scuber Sterve but still basically the same movie, and can be compared.

Dibrae Jarden you’re replying to the wrong person, but it’s true that these movies have very different styles. While the individual characters could be compared, it wouldn’t be fair for either one since each character is designed to fit within the world the director of each movie has created.

The Sterna-Man guess it almost WAS a masterpiece

REXY AND STUFF Not Damon Wayans though. That woulda been more cool

Bill Murray as Batman, and Marlon Wayans, as Robin.... We almost got a way crazy Batman 89! haha

Imagine if billy d remained Dent when he is turned to two face.

*To Joker* "I came, I saw, I kicked your ass".

No, he uses the word 'fun' when he's dangling off the building at the end. In the interrogation scene he says 'you complete me'.

Another lie.

@@troywright359 What?

@@calebscoville2585 the joker lies about everything in order to manipulate others. He will plan and claim he doesn't plan. He will conduct a social experiment and cheat when both boats pass.

@@troywright359 Oh gotcha

Absolutely not. Ledgers Joker was a calculating genius. He could have just as easily been working for the League or some random govt as just doing it on his own. That Joker had serious training in espionage. Jacks was a thug turned joker........The most accurate joker, take away the teeth and tats was Letos.......He was actually insane like the Joker in the comics.....he belonged in Arkham.....

Well, in the comics, the Joker is worse than Chrostopher Nolan's portrayal. He actually cut his own face off, then kidnaps Batman and all the Robin's, and almost made Alfred kill them, while they were convinced their faces were also cut off.

Diego Uy That is one storyline made AFTER ledger, it is NOT the definitive take on the character! It's the equivalent of Spider-Man wearing the black suit. Temporary.

@@lefthandedsophiethepop-wit503 well youve got the killing joke, you also have the batman series where he tortures robin so much that he turns into a joker minion and forced him to try and kill batman. The joker also beat Jason Todd to death. (But tbh its the audience's fault for that)

@Wayne Rocha wtf are you talking about?

and that is all that matters..that dark feel.

Actually. I would say that when Ledger's Joker couldn't be bought, it made him scarier. I liked Ledger up to that point, but when he burned that money, it scared me and I knew this was the Joker. If he's not doing it for money, then he's doing it because he can. He revels in it. Shudder. A great scene! Don't get me wrong, I like Jack Nicholson. He's a fine actor. Outstanding in many roles. But to me, Heath Ledger was the Joker.

@@christopherholt6750 Question

What many of you do not know is that Heath Ledger's Joker is actually quite likely based on Brandon Lee's The Crow ... jus twatch some Brandon Lee's clips you will see why, from the hairstyle, the mannerisms, etc ... Heath incorporated distinctive elements of Brandon Lee's performance to give his Joker a different edge to Jack Nicholson's .. and everyone loves it, he should thank the deceased Brandon Lee for putting him over the edge ...

Will to be fair Jack Nichols "Joker" was a vision of Tim Burton and Tim Burton doesn't do reality.

@Conrad Kujur true he was the perfect mix, Jack Nichols Joker was the bridge to get from the original Joker on the TV show to Heath ledger's Joker. The Joker in the TV show with all the way goofy and Heath ledger's Joker was more sadistic, Jack Nichol's Joker was in-between. How do you get from a goofy Joker to a more sadistic Joker, Jack's "Joker" you just blew my mind. Lol

Even after death he was smiling and laughing.

@@wallacewallaby5782 That's impossible.

I was 7 when I saw it, and it never impacted me. I have Joker's death squarely in the sarlac pit.

Actually he didn't die he crawled and cut his way through that pit. There is a whole comic about it! :)

@@ginge641, it is possible have you not seen the movie??? Joker dies with a smile on his face and a recording of laugher is being played. I thought it was really good death scene and impactful

*Nicholson

Nicholson's Joker was more faithful to the comics where he was a psychopathic killer that had a more lighthearted and comedic method to his crimes. Ledger's Joker was just darker to a man with no real goals other then to spread chaos and anarchy just for the shits sake of doing so. There wasn't any real motive or clues to why he wanted that other then ,"Hey he's the joker." which felt kind of empty and just to have a crazy antagonist they made him that way felt like there was no thought behind it. He didn't feel like the Joker alot of people were used to. He played a great role non the less but to say Ledger was the Joker is subjective. Both men played phenomenal roles but both of them differed greatly.

@@Darth1Marik Did you actually read the comic?

@@user-iy7jo7bq4f Several in fact, there are many depictions of the Joker but many of them are similar as well as consistent and that one thats marginally represented is the one much like the Joker from the Animated Series and the one like Nicholson's Joker. Theres only a few that have something like Ledger's Joker. Everyone is entitled to their opinion dude just because someone elses does not align with yours does not mean you need to go out of your way to try and "prove" they are wrong.

@@Darth1Marik I'm not talking about preference, I am referring to you saying Nicholson's Joker is more "faithful". He is faithful only if you consider those Golden and Silver age comics that people don't really care about... for good reasons. Joker is a character who transcends the concept of character. Joker represents the idea of humanity's fragility to defend oneself from going insane. "One bad day..." The Joker could be anyone that can't stand the trauma he/she once faced. By giving the Joker a confirmed backstory and identity, you basically go against the core principle of the character set up by Alan Moore and nearly everyone who comes after. Joker's identity and backstory being shrouded in mystery and contradictions are what makes the Joker great. It's not what specific incident causes him to snap; it could be anything, and it would affect any normal person in a similar, or even more extreme effect. That's the Joker. Nolan incorporates that idea by having Ledger's Joker speaking his contradicting past that reflects the people and situations he is currently encountering. He knows the Joker is not just a mass murderer but a mass murderer who would allow his targets to survive to show him/her an even worse nightmare-- one that's terrifying because it's real-- that Nothing really matters. Burton brought the Dark Knight and the Crown to life on the big screen, but his work, despite retaining the cheesiness of the comic book, doesn't capture many core elements of the characters and stories. "Ledger's Joker was just darker to a man with no real goals other then to spread chaos and anarchy just for the shits sake of doing so." That's why I asked if you really read comics...

No

Jared Leto?

Well except for Mark Hamill’s Joker.

It was wrong

Yeah but regardless heath did a better acting job and created a way more insanely amazing character

@Roy Fokker who are you to say what joker did or didnt do. Who cares if it's closer to the comics or not which. Tbf I am not crazy to say heath might have been closer to the comics depends on what comics you are looking. Plus idc if he was more like the comics or not Who cares if he was when did a better job anyway. How was heath not funny and demented at the same time. Dude he fucking nailed that

@Roy Fokker heath ledger joker is considered one of the best acting jobs ever. He was the only reason that movie was so good. He was the only reason ppl consider it to be the best superhero movie ever. Idc if you want to sound cool for being in the minority on this you are just so wrong and it laughable. Nothing against jack as a actor he is one of the greats. But the director ruined the role.

@Roy Fokker dont think anyone said that buddy

@Roy Fokker there's a reason you hear so much about how great heath was and Jack's joker is almost forgotten. There is a reason there are so many documentaries and youtube videos talking about the genius of joker but not many about Jack. There is a reason the dark night is considered one of the best if not the best super hero movies and that is because of heath. There isnt much special about Jack's joker that i think you could tell me(other then oh well he was more like the comics he had a dark side and a bad side, just a bunch of stuff that heath took and made better). Heath did an amazing job as the joker maybe best acting job ever. You can try and seem as cool as you want for liking jack. But I'm sorry most everyone agrees with me.

The Electric Cheese Productions me to

I get chills.

Jan St. Thank u for this So many ppl argue that he won only because he died n the academy n others in the Hollywood community wanted to acknowledge that or something Just cz his character wasn't completely comic accurate doesn't mean his acting was bad right?

Nicholson's Joker isn't obsessed with Batman and is more interested in Vicky Vale. Comic book Joker would never have any interest in Batman's girlfriend unless she was a ploy to get Batman in a trap. Something that Nolan understood and used to a greater extent in The Dark Knight.

Anton Affleck so true So so true Good point

MotherChucker, if the only thing that the Academy acknowledged about The Dark Knight was Heath Ledger's death, it wouldn't get nominated in 7 other categories, unrelated to Ledger, and there wouldn't be talks from the Academy itself of it getting Best Picture.

MotherChucker, Sigourney Weaver and Johny Depp both received Oscar nominations for action movie roles. The idea of Ledger receiving one isn't preposterous. The Academy simply does't give it in that category very often. Ledger gave the best performance of any action movie, probably. Which is why he was recognized.

@The Truth crhistian bale did an incredible job in the nolan trilogy, he made the playboy Bruce Wayne pretty well just like his dark and intimidating batman

Lee Poole my favourite villain of all time

@@shadowking141ghost my favourite character of all time

Thank you for pointing this out. I've wondered that too. A lot of other people simply assume that the controls would do what the Joker says they'll do. Maybe it's because the best liars and manipulators tend to use the truth to their advantage? But others - and here's why I think you might be right about the bombs - don't care if they're believed or not. They win either way. There's no need to maintain the facade of truth. The Joker wins no matter which boat gets blown up. If the prisoners press the button and detonate the bomb on their OWN ship, they die - and the people on the other boat get blamed for it, even though they'll protest. Same thing goes for the civilians. So really, it could go either way, but at the end of the day the Joker is more interested in creating Chaos than making people live with the knowledge that they killed others to survive. That's a little too self-righteous.

Bob, I don't want you to hate me. It's just hard for me to choose. Both Nicholson's and Ledger's Jokers were BRILLIANT! Logically, I can compare both in many ways; however, emotionally I just cannot bring myself to it because I like both so much.

Lol.. you don't think anyone could have played Nicholson but ANY actor could have played ledger? Thats fucking BOLD. At least everyone else here admits to their bias 😂😂

ejeckk I think as much as I hate to admit it, you are absolutely right. I believe Ledger was at a point in his career where he wanted to immerse himself and master his role. I absolutely loved The Dark Knight and everything about it as a story, but as you stated any actor driven to produce a masterpiece performance can deliver something like this maybe once in their lifetime. Nicholson is being Nicholson which was just what Burton wanted for his film. Two Jokers, and two paths that lead to making iconic characters in Cinema history.

Agree

Batman '89 wasn't a (dark) comedy. It may look a little goofy now, but that's because it's 30 years old. Otherwhise, the Joker is more like Jack Nicholson's version. That's him, that's the character. He does dumb, clown-like shit.

spot on...Batman was revolutionary movie

What about superman 78 ? huh it's way better than batman 89

NICK is it really though

NICK superman was still that corny Batman Adam Westish type movie. Batman 1989 was a totally different vibe. But on the other hand Batman has been replaced so many times in films but when you think Superman Chris Reeves is what i see in my head

It gave birth too the whole thing.

And joaquin was crazy in a most realistic way.

Wow. Perfectly put.

@Fianna nope for what?

Nope Heath ledger didn't play the Joker, he played Anarky in face paint. Jack was the Joker.

wawuglio Oh my mistake, I forgot you got to contradict my opinions with your science of whose the better joker lol

Lanwarder Nothing to do with science. Just the facts son.

wawuglio thanks dad

I would say Joker in Batman (1989) was more threatening because he murdered Bruce Wayne's parents in the past (as Jack Napier) and continued to murder other people especially when he became Joker. In Tim Burton's Batman (1989), Batman (Michael Keaton) kills the villains. In the Dark Knight (2008), Joker survives several times only because Batman doesn't kill.

Cause MH IS THE Joker :)