I think the confession of how Thunder Hawk can be born in Mexico but part of a tribe native to America comes from acknowledgement of boarders. I'm sure a tribe could be in Mexico and Southern United States at the same time, since the natives predate the formation of those boarders.
For me, it was really curious to see this place on a Game first and then in real life. When I went there, I tought "hey this is the T.Hawk stage!" I'm happy that you choose this stage for a video. Love your content! Greetings from Mexico!!!!
As a mexican myself, this was a pleasant surprise! I visited this place years back and seeing the details of the video here is a nostalgic trip xD. Even my fgc friends from mexico have debated on where t.hawk is really from but we do consider him as indigenous mexican 🇲🇽 ^_^ Excellent Work With This Video! Hope to see more as time goes on!
Hmmm, in regards to T. Hawk's ancestry, I think his design is mostly just something that's stereotypically Native American (I think the "American" in Native American simply refers to the continent and not the country). What I can say regarding his conception was that he was in some form based on Geronimo, a real-life Native American and historical figure who was technically an indigenous Mexican (yes, he was an Apache and he was born in Arizona, but during his lifetime, Arizona was part of Mexico and not the U.S.), and was even planned by Capcom of Japan to be named Geronimo... until Capcom U.S.A. told them that might come off as insensitive/offensive, so they had to change the name. So, T. Hawk's kind of just a hodgepodge of different Native American influences, I think. While some of his influence is definitely more South-Western U.S., there's the technicality that the real-life person he was based on lived in that area when it was still part of Mexico. But, obviously that wouldn't be the case in the modern setting of Street Fighter. Capcom probably just didn't quite have all their facts straight. Being of both Native blood and Mexican ancestry (though from different parents), I can at least still appreciate the effort that was put in, and I do love T. Hawk as a character. Great video as usual, btw! T. Hawk in general seems to be one of the more underrated SF characters. Actually, it's kinda funny how all of the New Challengers minus Cammy seem to often get overlooked compared to the World Warriors and the Grand Masters.
I agree I do think T hawk and the other new challengers side from cammy do get very much overlooked. I’m glad all of them are in alpha 3 and SF4 but I dunno I don’t see the same excitement for them as I do the others.
Really nicely done as always Baberuthless, I have to agree with you on the T-Hawk theme, it's different from everything else in the Super Street Fighter 2 sound track but I like it. I also do like the overclock remake.
Faaacts FGC has no ears, the T-Hawk themes are criminally neglected. That main melody is like a tattoo for my brain. SFV Zangief and the new Battle Hub jazz mix in SF6 also masterpieces
I’ve been obsessed with fighting games art (mainly SF) since 1985. Currently developing the concept of a retro style fighting game based in Mexican culture, where I was born. Thanks for you great videos, truly a great inspiration of careful research, attention to detail and putting out great content. I’m a fan of your channel since the Cammy stage video. Hope we can chat sometime.
Born and raised in Guadalajara myself I always felt somewhat proud that "we appear" on one of my favorite games lol we always take foreign members of the FGC to this place such as Combofiend, KBR, Cloud805, Angelic, Chris G, Kita Senju, among others, and they love it. You did justice to the history of the Hospicio, I will show your video to complement the visit from now on, thank you! :)
@@baberuthless if you do and want to have a tour around like the other guys, just let me know! We'd be glad to show you around. Heck you could maybe do a video about Lily and T.Hawk with your own footage! 🤓
As Mexican, I could never identify myself with T. Hawk as he looks and feels more like a Native American rather than being from a Mexican ethnic group. I guess Capcom had no idea whatsoever about Mexican cultures (also that's the reason I can't relate Lily as one of us either). However, the stage was pretty accurate in a lot of things (although I'm positive there's no wet market in Hospicio Cabañas). Place is quite nice and yeah, Hospicio Cabañas is gorgeous.
Yea I don’t think a market is at this location at all but perhaps they have temporary festivals that have these markets but I couldn’t find proof of that
Great video as always! Super engaging and easy to watch. I, and I think most SSF2X players, have a bit of a love-hate thing with Hawk's stage. To me, Hawk's stage is the sound of the arcade. Since basically nobody plays Hawk, the machines almost always inevitably end up stuck on his stage after every other character has been played. So it inadvertently has that emotional connection of hearing his theme upon arrival off in the distance and feeling the excitement of the hours of offline fun that await. But since his stage is so bright and monochrome, however, it can be pretty unpleasant to play on for long periods of time!
i always imagined T. Hawk was a plains indian (some examples being the sioux, pawnee, and blackfeet) due to the tipis in his usf4 story intro. his headband with a single feather in it would suggest eastern woodlands though. so to be honest it was probably capcom throwing in a bunch of native american stereotypes. but in my mind, hes indigenous american, but he had to relocate to mexico. The thunderfoot tribe still lives there as of SF6 , with Lily described as a mexican of thunderfoot descent, and her stage being full of decorated mobile homes.
Found you on Brian_F's recommendation and have been working through your back catalog of stuff. Everything is so rad. I subscribed and I'm looking forward to more.
I never considered the possibility that T. Hawk's stage was an IRL place in Mexico. And right there in the middle of Guadalajara! I was thinking it would be in central or north-central Mexico. 6:55 The instruments that make up a Mariachi band! Makes perfect sense. May I make a suggestion? For the sake of consistancy, I suggest adding "Stage Breakdown" or "Stage(s) Explained" to the titles of all your vids. This vid, for example, you can keep the "The real life location..." on it as a sort-of tagline to draw people in, just so long as "Stage Breakdown" or "Stage(s) Explained" remains in the title. I dunno if I'm just being nitpicky, but it's just nice to know what to expect.
Nah not not picky at all trust me. I go back and forth and I actually do not like the name stage break down at all and I’m debating dropping it all together
I never heard t.hawk's sf2 theme till it showed up in sf6 and i was so surprised by how good it is but also that i never heard it before. Its crazy a song that good is just not talked about as much
T hawk is a great character, great design , great stage, great theme , his fighting style is not much but suits him very well being a native american with with hawk spirit. But he lacks something!! I don't know what it is but he needs more to shine Great video ✨👏
There's an indigenous tribe that resides in the mexicali Valley and the close to the death Valley in California, not too far from the Sonoran desert known as the Cocopah (Cucapá). Since I grew up in that part of Mexico I assumed that it T. Hawk was alluding to these groups. Another group of indigenous people to consider, might be the Yaqui, from central/ southern Sonora in Mexico. Hope this helps to illustrate the social landscape and the connections with this awesome character.
Love this stage growing up since I’m Mexican but I’ve always felt mix about T.Hawk design even as a kid I felt that they screwed up and somehow mixed Native American culture with Mexican but who knows. Great video like always
Btw the name T. Hawk might also have originated from a Mexican Catholic Legend about a native who's name was Tizoc (if you know Garou Mark of the wolves, this is where the name comes from) I always though that the name T. Hawk was very close in pronounciation to the name Tizoc
I had never considered eye strain with a stage as bright as this to give any eye irritation but that makes sense when compared to most of the other stages
5:53 Sony Handycams like the model CCD-TR91 already exist in the year 1993, so a tourist wouldn't be using a shoulder mounted video camera to take home videos and the camera held by the guy in the HD Remix version of the background at 5:42 isn't anachronistic.
Your certainly right I wish I expressed that a digital camera probably wouldn’t be used then and that’s why in the OG stage it’s a photo camera in that version
Actually, the design of T, Hawk does come from Mexico In regions like Sonora, Chihuahua and Baja California there were groups of Native Americans who escaped to Mexico and settled here Pero si de Mexicanos hablamos, todos sabemos que el mejor diseño de un mexicano en Street Fighter es El Fuerte
@@baberuthlessIt is my Main in SFIV and it is unpopular in the competitive field, but many Latin Americans are very fond of it for the effort on its behalf Similar to the team from Mexico in KoF, which we also adore because of the context behind it (Angel, hey, that's my name :3, I mean, Angel was designed by Mexicans after a tournament with the CEO of SNK)
If I had to explain T. Hawk's...poorly researched depiction I'd say he IS part of a Mexican indigenous tribe, but he dresses as a different kind of Native group as a costume? Like, that's his wrestling persona, so to speak. Maybe he's like "I made this stereotypical Injun disguise because Shadaloo would absolutely spot me as one of the guys bent on revenge they created. Plus, you guys couldn't tell an Apache from a Guayupe anyway, so that's how I make my money at whatever performance type job I do." I mean ideally next time we see T. Hawk they'd have a more accurate costume, and it seems they're moving that way from that with Lily so we're probably not gonna see some kind of T. Hawk revamp anytime soon anyway. But that's how I'd do that.
I remember T. Hawk was based in Mexico but he was a Native Americn from the U.S. originally, at least when the game was released he was referred to as American.
I don’t know if you’ve heard about American filibustering (the military term not the political term). I’m probably gonna describe this poorly cuz I’m doing it from a distant memory but during and after the Civil War they had guys on both sides basically running Native Americans over the Mexican border to basically destabilize and hunt them down. I could be wrong but as a result of all this chaos, I believe there are patches of Apache and other tribes with land in Mexico as a result of the chaos from this. It’s actually a big part of the plot of Cormac Macarthy’s Blood Meridian. That’s why I never questioned T. Hawk’s origin. lol
That seems to mirror Thawks origin in a way as well. Which now knowing what you said is kind of in poor taste. Since capcom are weirdly recognizing that horrible event in history but instead replacing America with Shadowloo.
I wonder how and why Capcom decided on that location for the stage. I'm from the north of Mexico and I would have never known that hospicio cabañas place if not for this game, it is not that well known nation-wide. Also, if T. Hawk is from Sonora, why not make his stage in Sonora? It's weird. Speaking for myself, I don't consider him mexican, he looks too much like a native american. I also don't really like El Fuerte or Lily, so I'll keep waiting for a respectable mexican street fighter
