The sin next to murder in Mormonism  

It’s a cult. Jesus forgives all

I have always wanted to have my own planet to rule. So I wear the proper undergarments, no fruit of the loom. I don't drink coffee or coke. I do all of the stuff like riding my bicycle around town and lie to people. I feel bad for all the other cult members.

@@bubba_good That is because you are NOT responsible for your nature and natural inclinations. you didn't create yourself! Your nature is NOT an addiction. And fighting it with that type of fear is DESTRUCTIVE and makes sexual desires INCREASE (not decrease). There are better and gentler ways to help the youth!

@@sademccall6838 "Jesus" is just another cult. Grow up!

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You're well off out of it.

I’m raised by aethiest and I’m also excommunicated by my whole family, ironically made me understand the bible better or the sentiments in it, such as “a prophet has no honour in his home town” in that story they killed Jesus for telling the truth they didn’t want to hear, I was excommunicated for telling the truth as well, the truth hurts and people don’t like to hear it, even if they need to, There is no such thing as a non religious person in my experience, just many things people treat as sacred

Give up your daughter? Who does that serve?

​@@strangerinastrangeland6865 Has little to do with having or not having faith... it's more about intollerance

Wow, sorry to hear that, and I pray that collagen all over Pentair centers. (They apologize and all are repentant sinners) 🙏🏼🕊

Did you finally get married?

@@boxoffisa 22 years, married to my best friend. He's awesome.

@@RowanWarren78 that’s so inspiring. I hope that miracle to happen to me. Amen.

Do you have contact with your parents and family?

Bending unit 2847 You have my utmost respect! 🥳💌

Better yet, get out. RUN

There is nobody that has a direct line to God or JC...they are preaching what was preached to them, right or wrong.

@@ukokepaoa5536 The only place a bishop "speaks from" is a position of very limited power that he's been placed in by other men in a social hierarchy created by yet other men.

@@ukokepaoa5536 the Bishop is not God nor was he appointed by God. The book of Hebrews teaches that after Christ died for our sins on the cross we do not need a priest or intermediary between us and Christ. We can come directly to him in prayer.

@@orinsweeney2805what

@@mohamedf8859Deserve what Buddy??

@@notyouagain1428 no.... I got pregnant WITH(with meaning the baby)my boyfriends kid(kid meaning his child). Not sure why I needed to clarify that, but you just made my day, laughter is the best medicine.

And having sex at 12 years old isnt?!

@@ericczimskey2533 What does that have to do with what she said?

@ericczimskey2533 why, who was having sex at 12 yrs old???

@@godworden2768 What is the *"proper union"* and how does the lack of it show?

@@godworden2768 I don't know about "karma," but I know humans aren't perfect, and it's not surprizing that many find themselves in less than optimal situations. I certainly wish more families would remain intact for the benefit of the children, but realistically that isn't going to happen as much as we want.

It's such a messed up value system that it isn't actually about moral behaviour but rather controlling behaviour.

I’m so deeply sorry you went through this. I am so horrified how this ‘bishop’ and your mom treated you. I hope you have been freed from their stupidity and that time has managed to bring you strength and healing 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Carla, I hope you are now surrounded by people who care for your wellbeing without strings attached, and that you have found a credible therapist to help you process the traumas you have survived.

Narcissist. Thats it really. You may not think she is, but the good doesnt make her not one. When a mother cares more how something makes her look and feel, dont even bother bringing up anything. Then youll see its even worse than you thought first time around.

@@alisonpham767 oh I know. It's been 6 years since this happened. And I've started to really learn who she is.

Glad you were one of the smart ones now go out and enjoy your life and best of luck to you~!!

So glad you didn’t expose the girl to that creepy bishop! I stopped going to bishop interviews and church as a teen because I didn’t think my personal life was any of their business.

The church sent me a letter of excommunication when I was 20. I was never baptized or even set foot in a LDS church when I was growing up I only had one good friend because I wasn't LDS and neither was he so we couldn't play with the good LDS kid's in the neighborhood so we did our own thing Riding bike's and fishing on Sunday morning when they were forced to go to church

Something similar? Uh huh 🤔

@@t-bone3657 you want details or something you weirdo.

That is "church". Not God.

​@@tomelder2358 same difference. One imaginary construct created to control people by through worship of another imaginary construct.

@@rondenniel2894 here's another fact, if you haven't committed spousal rape then I'd eat my hat.

I have seen it as well. Many religions teach chastity so heavily and then expect once married to have lots of children. It messes people up mentally. They shame them if they give in. They don't teach about birth control and STDs so that when they do make a "mistake" they really make one. They don't teach about healthy relationships and behavior around sex. They are told to do things that conflict with biological urges that creates distress in a young person's life. That can lead to depression. It's all around just messed up.

@@rondenniel2894 Not at all. If a man marries you, and knows about your background, he shouldn’t push you to do anything. That’s called rape.

@@josephcoon5809 traumatized by being taught that a woman who has sex is worth nothing, and that having sex = almost being a murdered Yes that’s traumatizing, cause it’s a normal human need

@@josephcoon5809 I love how you deflect, it's so like you religious puppets, but go on though; for I find amusement in knowing that your subscription to those ideologies are in fact detrimental to your mental health whilst you're absolutely certain that you're righteous. 😂😂😂😂😂 #ReligiousZombies

It is a blasphemous, pagan cult. What do you expect.

It's all about manipulation and men maintaining their positions of petty power over others by dominating them with an escalating hierarchy of social shaming. It's like Mormons believe that because a bishop learning that someone has had sex outside of marriage doesn't result in him getting together a mob of "saints" to stone the woman to death, then it's all cool, and DEFINITELY not cultish at all.

​@@jeffreyturner4252The church does nothing to discourage it.

Utah prisons are full of Mormons, young Mormon girls get pregnant all of the time, and the small Moron towns, like Ephraim Utah are corrupt and Immoral they hide (pretty sure the ex chief of police was forced out of office). This from an ex Morman that found it's a false religion

i hate it how because of how people listen to these stories and think every church is manipulative like this, my church would never allow this. And im still lds, our church has kind people. mind you this is the same religion

Omg i wish I could tell my local youth something similar. 😂he kills the neighborhood squirrels😢 and you tell him about your porn 🙄

So no one has a past?

Parents ignorant😢

@@roberttramontana9875 😂🤣😂🤣

@@roberttramontana9875 crawl down off your soapbox bud. I don’t support ANY religion that was forced on people by threat of death and murder, slaughters innocence in the name of their god, and/or controls and profits off hate and fear. If that’s what you support 🤷‍♀️ I would just rather be a good person because that’s who I am, not ranting fire and brimstone trying to scare or convert others into believing something there is absolutely no proof of 🤷‍♀️

@@roberttramontana9875 If you’re so smart why are you spouting for people to read a book full of inaccuracies, misinterpretations, and one that was created and influenced by politics at the time? 🤔 You’re either a zealot or a troll..either way I’ve wasted enough time entertaining your delusions that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Have fun turning more people off Christianity so you can feel “special” I guess 🤷‍♀️

@@roberttramontana9875 bro stfu Robert if people don’t want religion in their lives you don’t force it on them

@@shadowbanned5164 I hate to be the one to break this to you but Christians didn’t event “morality” nor are y’all particularly great at practicing what you preach. Then again the majority don’t even know your own book or the history behind your own text. By not indoctrinating my child she wasn’t robbed of valuable critical thinking skills, was taught research and fact checking even if the answer came from my own mouth, setting healthy boundaries, and didn’t push my own views and opinions on her because guess what..her life isn’t mine to live or control. If she had questions about religion I taught her how to find the answers she sought even if that meant taking her to a church,temple, etc. I wanted her to be a free thinker and for her to be a decent human not out of fear and trauma but because it’s the right thing to do. Teaching a child right from wrong isn’t something you need to be Christian for and as she’s a happy well adjusted adult and not one of these nut bags trolling the Internet trying to shove her religion down everyone’s throat just proves I made the right decision.

@@notyouagain1428I am fully at peace with my parent’s hand in this, they had been convinced that I was a bad child who had gone astray, but no, as a stranger you cannot confidently state that the church has done more good for me than it has bad. Once I left, I was able to see all the psychological problems it had caused, and THEN I found peace when I dealt with that, through therapy.

i’m so sorry. I’m sure they did what they thought was best out of love

If he was an annoying jerk, well, there’s the problem.

@@tubytootoo that was my thought, too. Of course, I didn’t say that to him because, as a woman, he wouldn’t hear it anyway and I am not in the habit of wasting my breath.

I am a Mormon and I can tell you that we do not believe that sex. It in marriage is only for procreation. It’s obviously a really important part of a healthy marriage.

Isn't it better to actually go have sex then to look at pornography? Because that's just the fantasy, at least you're doing the real thing and learning actual real world stuff.

@@firepower7654 If you actually could have sex with 1000's then you are God level.

And why do they have to be strangers? I like to get to know people, and it's not all about looks.

@@firepower7654 He said I was talking about prostitutes. 🙄 I do think that is healthier because you're actually living real life. It's' up to you what you want to do. Judge correctly, you can choose to keep on jerking it off in a fantasy or choose to experience the real thing. I choose the real thing.

God has many partners

That's just rape if sex didn't have consent

@@malihakarim1696 Or rank hypocrisy if there was consent.

The insanity of responding more harshly to gay kids than abusers. I was always taught that the "sin next to murder" was being gay. So of course I did everything to be straight. When serving a mission and going to BYU-Idaho didn't work, I left.

​@@Newton-ReutherI'm sorry that you had to experience that. I can't image what that would be like. It's sad how harshly lgbtq people used to be treated. I'm glad that the church is now emphasizing that identifying as queer is not a sin. I don't understand how anyone would believe that something you can't control would be considered a sin.

Very true

There are so many things wrong with that statement. My gracious.

@@Sara11614 the Tanakh is absolutely full of sex. Song of songs is explicitly sexual, more specifically it is using erotic literature to express G-ds love for us his creation. You can easily read into the story of the Garden in Genesis/Bereshit a Drash that the tree of Knowledge is of knowing biblically 😉(it makes sense in Hebrew), the knowledge was forbidden when they were as children but Eve is taken aside and told that what was forbidden is good and she shares this SWEET FRUIT with Adam after being tempted by a SNAKE 🐍 (seeing the poorly disguised symbols?), After they KNOW they need to learn that life as a new family will involve work and childbirth hurts... There's no devil, no curse no sin, just people growing up and moving out to be their own family. There is no hell or devil in Judaism, Xians invented that all in their own. The Bible has a number of heroic prositutes, implied homosexuals and adulterers, and there isn't a single wedding, people are married when they move in together and have sex. G-d didn't demand purity, only your best... It is better to feed your neighbours hungry children than to follow all of the mitzvot, because we are here to repair the ills of the world and not to buy our way into grace in some popularity contest.

​​@@DoYouKnowGods ameen different from amen? And where in old testament does it say masturbation is bad? There is only story of Onan and that isn't really about masturbation.

@@DoYouKnowGod you know Enoch isn't scripture right some Christians just went "wow that's some neat fan fiction, I'm keeping it"? And it is tanakh... It stands for Torah, nevi'im and ketuvim. People can have sex, there is no devil, there are no demons looking to pull them off the derech. There is only the yetzer harah, their own bad intention or greed or malice. G-d cannot forgive them for transgressions against their neighbour, they must seek forgiveness from their neighbour. Xians can be as high and mighty as they like in claiming to be the one truth, but Judaism teaches that you are responsible for your bad deeds and not a spiritual boogy man, we tell you that it's your job to make the world better for it's own sake and we don't threaten you with punishment in hell or bribe you with heaven, and we don't believe you have to be Jewish to be good or find your way to G-d. You can affect an Ashkenazic omayn all you like, it doesn't mean you begin to understand anything.

So getting raped counts as a sin?

@@loneassassin29 no, raping is, but apparently it isn’t as high on the list as having sex outside of marriage. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Getting raped isn’t sin you should carry but the person who committed the crime

@@ninersnerd5123 exactly it’s because most of the people in power and power hungry psychopaths who use peoples fear of the unknown to their benefit. For example they will say they can Marry children because of god they can abuse/sexually abuse children and women because god and they can always “repent” and forgive themselves.

​@@KaladinDarkEyesbecause its stupid to be shamed for something that doesn't hurt anyone. Read the room.

I always look at men of the cloth with suspicion

I always look at men of the cloth with suspicion

Exactly!!!

Yes you should as people on the outside know what these men are about . They truly believe they are carved from a better lump of dung than women . They are above women .

Evil makes Mormonism go , but hypocrisy is a close second .

I live in Utah as a non Mormon. I have experienced some similar insane experiences! I am sorry we both have gone through these experiences!

Wait, her mom thought it was ok? Sorry.

I’ve lived in Utah for almost four years (Hill AFB). Unfortunately, your story is all too common. Hang in there and run 🏃🏽‍♀️ from the LDS!

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When I read the scripture it seemed the grievous sin could be leaving the ministery he agreed to and causing the zoramites to not hear the gospel because of his behavior. I agree there are sexual sins that are terrible but thay would have to be something like r@pe like you said. Not consent like is described in the video.

Mormonism was dreamed up by a madman. Yeah, sure he ran miles with those gold plates. Sure thing Joe.

@@jeremykeckler3267 Yeah, and he had to also fight off multiple attackers who were mysteriously lying in wait along the way, too. Yep, grab that whole bundle of gold, run like a rabbit, fight off attackers . . . but somehow the attackers must have had other ideas after he got home with the plates, and decided to pursue other activities.

@@josephcole38 So what SCRIPTURE equates pre-marital or extra-marital sex with murder? And Smith wrote passages like Helaman 8:26 after listening to hellfire-and-damnation revivalist ministers of his era. So after writing all this, how could he justify having a little more fun, variety, nookie for himself? Well, that necessitated conjuring up . . . POLYGAMY.

Rape is worse than murder. There are justifications to murder someone- rape has no justification. Ever.

"Twist and warp"? Yeah, nope. Her treatment was exactly what the cult always intended, I'm sorry you are similarly brainwashed, despite thinking you are more free. Despite the abuse she'll likely end up in a better place than you, not beholden to the sickening rants of batshit men controlling women.

I didn't know that LDS stands for latter-day saints, and now I just realized my car tag has LDS, interesting

Don’t think for themselves? Why would they “when the thinking has been done for them”? Tisk tisk. Bring Mormon you should know this tired old phrase already because of how often leadership and teachers use it in Sunday School.

@@longlifeprinters9 jesus doesn't exist. Grow up.

Old lds teaching in there own app. Says it's OK to have sex outside of marriage as long as you don't tell anybody. Look it up. Click the blue foot note numbers. I believe its foot note 42 in a the polygamy papers

sin is sin. But I get what you’re saying. Not worshiping the true God is heretical and a conscious decision. Sexual immorality can just happen out of weakness and lack of impulse control.

@@gowanderlustwithme Luke 12:47

@@gowanderlustwithmesin is not all the same some mortal some venial

​@@j0ndav1s Way to make it about you, bro

@@j0ndav1s how did you turn this around and make it about men?

​@@j0ndav1sIt's called whining. Statistically, a man is at least ten times more likely to get away with rape than he is to be falsely accused. Grow up.

That's such a gross thing to say to an 11 year old girl. I'm sorry that happened to you

Your dad is trash for telling you that at all little alone at 11 years of age.

That’s disgusting I’m so sorry my family raised me in the JW cult too and I left mentally at 16 but forced to continue preaching and going to meetings till I was 19 they are really creepy because they are so brainwashed into believing they are a loving “religion” when in fact all their rules are hateful

@@Camishappy yes definitely. Thankfully I only lived with him for a short time but it was traumatic none the less

@@albertq2323 you don't say that to an 11 year old child. And a grown man can communicate his needs. There's never an excuse to cheat. I guess I can go cheat to in that case right?

​​@@littleceasar9351hat's not what's being discussed here. A teenage girl having sex with her boyfriend is not an "addict" and keeping your kids dumb and afraid of sex only causes more stds and pregnancies. It's radical religious behavior that is the problem. Its about control, and they control through fear, and by making you believe your own body and *very* natural and normal desires are wrong and dirty. No one wants their kids to have sex, that's understandable, but they are going to at some point and the severe and oppressive teachings from the church don't stop anything. It only makes children resentful, uneducated, and in danger. These "teachings" arent coming from a place of care and concern, its about control. Its always about control.

@@AnActualWoman looking out for your kid, and a cult brainwashing you and demonizing any and all sexual behavior (and by any i mean specifically if you are female) by means of getting you to be ashamed of your body and desires for the purpose or control, are VERY different things. This girl was raised in a cult, i do not believe for one second you genuinely wish someone had been "looking out for you" the way they did her. They called her a sex addict for having sex one time. No same person can listen to this story and this appropriate action was take. This wasnt looking out for anyone, this was a cult controlling what young women do with their bodies, how original. These same "elders" that seek oppressive control are continuously found guilty of sexual assault, it's all a ruse. while i can agree sex absolutely does have serious consequences, and that people need to look out for their kids, it will be a cold day in hell before anyone teaches my kid that their bodies are wrong and dirty. "Sex is bad and you're disgusting for wanting or doing it" doesnt help anyone, and only makes for diseased and knocked up teenagers. Teaching kids about sex in an age appropriate way doesnt make em go out and have sex immediately, and it arms them with knowledge which protects them. These people do not care about her or you, they care about control, and so they'd rather keep young people stupid and ashamed in an attempt control them. Kids can grow up to have healthy adult sex lives or they can grow up with the trauma and fear the chuch (even after theyve left) has instilled into them, forever messing up their ability to have healthy and enjoyable sex lives, but they WILL grow up. Screw this chuch. They're all evil, horrible people.

@@nikki1400 if u ain’t afraid of sex You’ve missed everything.

​@An actual woman Her parents and church weren't looking out for her by making her feel as if she was almost as evil and tainted as a murderer, and by forcing her into treatment for an addiction she didn't have. They did a great amount of psychological damage. No one is telling teens to recklessly have sex with whoever they want, but there's a middle ground between the emotional abuse of this woman's situation, and letting teens do whatever they want. There are ways to foster healthy boundaries in teens that don't involve shaming them in this way.

@@AnActualWomanoh shut up. You’d rather be put into some sex addiction thing at age 12? No. All teens have sex. It’s normal. The hormones are raging. I have a child and I’m not married. I’ve been with her father for almost 7 years. Grow up, zip your lips and sit the f down when your 1920s beliefs. Your username couldn’t be further from the truth either.

That’s kind of you to say that to her. But unfortunately that’s exactly how it goes in that organization. And according to an actual bishop, the verbiage they use when “counseling” transgressive adolescents is by the book. So she heard exactly what they are told to say to someone in her position. You may be one of the few members who feels this is wrong, and I agree, but saying it was an aberration of how it was supposed to have gone is also wrong.

It would still have human beings in it. And humans suck.

God did not create any religion, JESUS SAID I am the way, the truth and the life, nobody comes to the Father except through me, People must repent and accept Jesus in their hearts, while there is time, BECAUSE JESUS IS COMING SOON, THE END IS NEAR, RUN TO JESÚS BECAUSE SOON IT WILL BE TOO LATE! ❤️ 🙌 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

Religion is a belief system like politics; it’s huMANS who make the order disordered.

​@@jackieh4582 exactly!!

It is better to live your life and die as if there is a God As opposed to living your life as though there is no God and dying to find out you're wrong...

This is the right attitude to have. If you are being responsible, then go for it. That's what life's about. Anyone who isn't being responsible has to deal with the consequences, be it STDs or a pregnancy (which means paying for an abortion or paying to carry out the pregnancy, and both parties need to contribute to that assuming both were knowing and willing participants).

>>>AMEN

Bruh Mormonism is a cult, their 'Christian love' is real warped. Their Mormon books are written so twisted, the first time I heard they both read that Mormon book and the standard bible I know others read, I was baffled. Because it's 2 books that contradicts each other in so many teachings lol

This isn’t Christianity…. It is Mormon doctrine and abuse… please don’t confuse the two.

Mormon*

Mormons consider themselves Christians but are not widely accepted by the rest of us Christians.

Mormons aren't Christians.

Hi! I got out in time thankfully. I'm glad you did too! 💜

The Utah Mormon Culture is the problem not the teachings of the church. I grew up in Colorado and raised my kids in Iowa. A very different experience to what my DIL experienced.

@@davidmcphail7496It’s not being remembered wrong friend. The LDS church produces monsters of men.

All cults are like that.

Hmm not my experience with mormons. I've been around them here in California quite a bit. Typically nice people I like as neighbors.

It's the doctrine according to your prophets and apostles, past and present. Still want to say the church is true?

Seriously 😒

Yah they sent him on a mission.

​@@debbieherrera1605 That will teach him?! 🙄

He was merely tempted...

That's because it's a cult.

Given you brought it up, which angers you more?

Tax exempt?

With a HUGE bank balance!

Really. So you can rape a child and that's forgivable, but call God an arse and that's it. Religion is a con.

Exactly have you seen the things some of the Mormon leaders are accused of. The church should be focusing on getting rid of the child rapists instead of focusing on consensual sex between adults.

Ep. 1459: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JhKcuI68phU.html

You are correct but much like the catholics, how many grains of sand make a heap?

Thank you! I think it's hard for people to understand that people aren't perfect but God is and ultimately its his opinion that is important.

@@masternamer9399 No I didn't have to learn the hard way. I was always a very responsible person and still am. I'm still with the same guy I was with 5 years ago when I left. Never been pregnant never had an abortion. We're not married because neither one of us are in a hurry and don't necessarily believe you have to get married if you don't want to. My mom in particular was just very controlling and strict and religion didn't help it just made things worse. Not saying that every religion is like that but I definitely have no desire to be a part of one because of my experience. I rather just have a spiritual relationship with God, or whatever is out there. I stay very open-minded, and if I ever have kids I will not force my beliefs or a way of thinking on them the way a lot of parents do today. There's nothing wrong with teaching your kids what your beliefs are but when they become of age if they want to do something else that's their decision and their parents should respect that.

"one drink is too much and a thousand drinks are mot enough. " comes to mind. Seriously though her story is yet another example of why i dislike religion

You only need to drink 2 times 🍸 a month to be considered an alcoholic so says instructor of my daughters court ordered underage drinking class where parents went to the class with the minor lol

Imagine how many people have been messed up by religion!

@@jomc20 Unfortunately, quite a few

​@@ronberon9849 what is Moroni 9? A ward?

@@ronberon9849 Secularism is not a religion. Just read the comments here to see how damaging religion is, especially cults such as mormonism. It was invented by a convicted conman to gain access to young women wealth and power. How anybody is taken in by it is a mystery to me.

@@joetaylor8687 Please don't trot out the usual argument about Hitler and Stalin! Hitler was Catholic and all German soldiers had "God with Us" on their belt buckles. The Catholic Church supported him, too. Staying studied for the priesthood as a young man. Also, no war was ever fought in the name of secularism or atheism, unlike religion, which was spread by the sword and used as an excuse to kill countless millions over the centuries.

Toxic positivity also comes with the cult behavior, just FYI.

Sadly this is all religions...but religious people can only see the flaws in other religions, not their own. The ancient Mayans that sacrificed humans to their God would have thought Christians were barbaric for thinking that circumcising little babies is somehow a good thing. Christians think that African cultures that eat the foreskin are barbaric. When in reality it's religion itself that's barbaric.