The Statistics on Narcissism and Transgenderism 

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if that came through, that will allow you to read almost any science paper in the world.

@@dakota-sessions Got it. Thank you so much. 😊

So much of the emphasis with ROGD is on social contagion. A girl comes home from school and says she’s transgender, and then the mom finds out all the other girls in her friend group are also nonbinary/transgender. But I just watched this video m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WlaZa6_RfyI.html from Gender: A Wider Lens. (In case the link doesn’t work, it’s episode 153.) The lady interviewed had an interesting “archetype” for trans-identified young women. I disagree with her on some things she says, but I do think I and many others fit this “archetype” to some greater or lesser degree. For example, I tend to look at my own desire to be male as a product of my adaptation to childhood danger more than the result of dabbling in queer theory. But she is correct that it takes a creative/open-minded personality type to be capable of conceptualizing oneself as being able to transcend physical gender. Once you take the social contagion and peer pressure elements out of the equation, ROGD seems to fit a lot more people a lot better. (I think in many of these cases a healthy dose of autoandrophilia just helps add fuel to the flames.)

1.) I said the sample size was too small. It’s going to be that way with any transgender study- there aren’t enough trans people to have a bigger study. For any of these studies that I read, the very first step is to accept that the information is guaranteed to be methodologically flawed, and we’re really getting a rough pencil sketch where we should normally be given a finely detailed painting. 2.) I said I expected the disparity between male and female narcissists would even out in a larger study. And I said it would be very interesting if they didn’t. 3.) I don’t know why you’re upset that 5 trans women in a study (that I read specifically to learn about NPD) had NPD, and I want to examine what that could potentially mean. Especially since I fully acknowledge the study’s limitations. 4.) Yes, I disagree with the study authors on their stance in the nature vs. nurture interpretation of their findings. The authors want to frame the entire study in a nurture over nature light. This strikes me as being very pandering to transgender sensibilities. I’d be flattered if someone told me my psychological profile was male instead of female. It would be very affirming to me. But I also like to think I’m rational and objective enough to recognize that this would be a lie. I look at what I feel confident about in gendered psychology- that the male brain primarily responds to one type of sexual stimuli and the female brain primarily responds to a different type. I then look at the pornographic preferences of the transgender population, and I see those gendered preferences clearly skewing in alignment with people’s natal sex. This would indicate that some things are simply hardwired into the brain. I do take time in this video to acknowledge that, even though it goes against my personal feelings on the matter, I can see evidence in my own life of nurture overpowering nature, so there is some truth to the authors claims. Nurture plays a role. But I think the authors assumption that nurture is the sole deciding factor ignores a great deal of what we generally understand about sex/gender and the human brain.

The problem I have is that you are taking a weak study and using it confirm a preconceived idea you have about trans people. This is confirmation bias. You’ve cherry picked the information you liked from this study and disregarded all the information you didn’t like. You’ve said without a doubt that there is a problem of narcissism in the trans community and that it is apparent to everyone. So your disclaimer doesn’t matter because you have already came to a definitive conclusion based on the information in this study. There are other problems with how you interpret this study too for one this study isn’t even representative of trans people. Something you learn if you take statistics is that studies are generally representative only of the group they studied. This study is representative of Italian trans people that use gender clinics. Not trans people as a whole. Another thing to note is that these people aren’t even diagnosed with the PDs they just took a Likert scale test based on the alternative DSM 5 Section 3 to indicate whether or not they would be diagnosed. It gets even worse when you look at the sample of people in this study. Only 13 of the 87 have started hormones and some of the people are actually nonbinary but were put into the trans woman or trans man category. Meaning it’s possible that all these narcissists are just nonbinary. What I assume prompted this was that you saw a bunch of trans influencers like Lilly Tino acting dumb in public and you were outraged. Maybe these people are actually narcissists, but you have to consider that it could just be that trans people that are socially media influencers are more likely to be narcissists. It could also be that trans people are more likely to suffer from mental health conditions in general. I don’t see any videos talking about higher rates of depression or anxiety in trans people. Maybe bullying leads to people developing PDs? Bullying increases likelihood of personality disorders. Instead you just jump to the fact that they’re biologically male and ignore any other potential explanation. ​@@oakleavesandonions771

@@Magdalena6 1.) Yes, it’s a weak study. They’re all weak studies. As I said earlier. 2.) I didn’t have a preconceived notion. I heard about this study and started reading it, and realized that, weak or no, the study hinted at a pattern that is clearly visible, and playing out before our eyes in a rather alarming fashion. Forget the study. The pattern is the problem that needs to be addressed. The study really only offers up one plausible explanation for the pattern’s existence. So, in that sense, it is interesting and worth looking at. 3.) Of course I cherry picked information. I had to cram an entire study into approximately 1 hour of video. I would have loved to have gone over it line by line over the course of several weeks, but at the end of the day, all I could offer up was a glorified abstract accompanied by some personal thoughts and impressions, and a link to the actual study for anyone who was interested in reading it for themselves. Sadly, I suspect most people either don’t care or don’t have time to read the study, so I tried to give them the highlights in as non-biased a manner as I could- except when it comes to the authors’ hypothesis for why the rate of PD was so high. Because, honestly, I thought that was a pretty dumb explanation, and I’m not going to pretend otherwise. You’re welcome to disagree with me, which you clearly do, but their hypothesis doesn’t actually affect the numerical findings of the study, so it’s all a matter of opinion. Interesting? Yes. Relevant? Not particularly. 4.) You’re right. This study isn’t representative of all trans people. The study’s authors say this. I say this. I was under the impression that I had gone out of my way to make it very clear to people watching this video that this study had many clear limitations. I feel like I’ve done my due diligence here. 5.) Actually, it wasn’t just the trans influencers. Crazy trans influencers are definitely alarming to see, but it wasn’t that. It wasn’t even the trans women in women’s sports, even though there are a few stories coming out of the sports world that really make a person wonder what on earth is going on over there. I think it was the overall mood of the trans community. From the moment I started reading up on trans issues, I’ve had the feeling that there’s this almost religious doctrine that people aren’t allowed to question or step outside of. And if you do, someone will rush to scold you for your heresy. Case in point. When I heard about the study and its elevated level of NPD (and then read the study to see if it said what I was told it said) everything clicked into place. Trans culture feels very narcissist-influenced. The study suggests that might well be the case. If other future studies come out, I’ll be very interested to see if they corroborate that finding or disprove it. 6.) “Instead you jump to the fact that they’re biologically male and ignore any other potential explanation.” No. I initially completely ignored that they were biologically male. And it was only as I was about to publish the video that I realized that, by ignoring this, I was allowing my own biases to cloud my interpretation of the study. So I added a note that I’d make another video addressing that issue specifically, and posted the video with that note attached. Because, honestly, the fact that they were biologically male, and that this might be affecting anything at all never occurred to me until that very moment.