The Tragic Murder Of Grace Brown by Chester Gillette | True Crime | Well, I Never 

Yup.

Careful of being judgmental. None of us knows the individuals on the jury, and therefore have no way of knowing how they would have treated Grace and her child in life.

@@raij465 . Grace HERSELF, KNEW EXACTLY how society would treat her…Tis the REASON she contemplated offing herself!!!

Women of ill repute in novels of that era are always redeemed by death. Oliver twist’s mother, the prostitute mother in Les Miserable, Mimi in La Boheme

That part broke my heart 😢

Heart breaking. Very sad and moving😢

She trapped him. Fast forward 50 years from this. Gals like Liz Taylor were picky about when and with whom they put out and gals like Shelley Winters took what they could get and got pregnant - but most got a meal ticket through welfare instead of muhDUHHH. It is still that way today.

Thanks for another cracking vlog very interesting 🤔

@@michaelwhite2823 She didnt trap him, he trapped himself. If he kept his willie in his pants, like his uncle told him, there wouldn't have been a "scandal" or this unwed mother. She even wrote him in the letter saying she told him "no" many times, but he didn't listen. He pressured this young girl into sex and wanted to ignore the consequences of his actions. Being as nieve and vulnerable as she was, she likely thought, while they were house hunting, that Chester would stay with her and they could become a real family. He probably decided that killing her was easier because she wouldn't understand why he wasn't interested and he didn't love her or the unborn child of his.

Yeah, Chester just wanted one bam thank you mam. Poor grace brown doesn’t know about leeches like C. G. Justice is served. Rest in peace Grace Brown.💐🌺🌸🌼🌻🪴🌿🦋🦋

@@michaelwhite2823 believe you have it all wrong! He trapped her then didn’t want what he caught! I hope he’s still walking in the heat. And do you know anything about Elizabeth Taylor or Shelly Winters? Cause unless you are talking about a movie they were “Acting” in. You have it completely backwards! You really need to research them both!

Weirdly I just watched the 1931 film yesterday! And total coincidence by cats are Chester and Clyde (Chester’s fictional version in An American Tragedy)

You beat me to it! Was just going to say the same thing. I found the book a bit of a slog, but the film version with Shelly Winters as Grace is fantastic and earned her an Oscar I believe. She always had played light comic roles before this movie and had to fight to even be considered for the part. But she knew it would change her life, and it did!

oh snap! That's why it felt so familiar. I was only aware of the last one you mentioned. Powerful stuff with top tier talent.

Thank you for the information. 😊

That book was a slog. Thirty pages about how he could buy a rich girl a coat.

I am heartbroken by this story. And you are correct, some men have no moral compass.

Either does some women.

Most break ups are from women but keep comping

Nothing changes, even the modern day is obsessed with doing exactly what you describe.

Tale as old as time but thankfully not all men are like this

There are perpetrators and victims on both sides: look at how many men are cheated on then crucified in divorce courts afterwards: or how many men find out the children they have been raising aren't even their's. Misandry isn't going to change facts.

Except that he killed her and his child 😢not all womanizer KILL !

Men need to hold other men accountable Women...can't Rebuild honor code

He was trash; a very punchable face😅

True but back then young women had much more need to be careful and to not be sleeping with other men until they were married . Things were just so incredibly different for young women back then .

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life has always been full of dangers. This poor child Grace was just a child having a child, at a time when, unmarried, to do so, was a rescipie for disaster. At least the guy paid for the murder with his life. Many men get away with abuse for decades, and murder too.

This young lady needed to keep her pants up. The price....was death

@@billhester8821 This MAN needed to keep his pants up; hence, he would have avoided this tragedy. Always nice to hear from the best, brightest, and most enlightened of our species. 😜

" I said no so Many Times"! wow

My son in law used to be a camp couselor up at a camp on Big Moose Lake. We go up to Old Forge for the Fourth many years and went to Inlet last year. The Adirondacks are really beautiful.

Yes, I know the area well myself. The trial was in Herkimer at the old historic courthouse, jail was across the street. I lived in that area. Very tragic story.

I was born and raised in the Adirondacks too. Mineville

This was before Rudy Vallee Later, Frank Sinatra

I love Dreiser as well. So much of what he wrote about holds true for today.

*is Society still holds a rigid view on women compared to men. It’s improved but things are still sexist and society definitely still holds women to certain standards and restrictions. If I’m not wearing my wedding rings and have my kids in toe I get all kinds of judgy stares. If my husband takes the kids somewhere with or without a ring, people fawn over how he’s such a good dad for “helping out.”

Hey. He was executed. Problem women get pregnant. MEN DO NOT. BIOLOGICAL disadvantage. Don't have sex until u have a wedding ring.

Still is! 😕😠

Agree. He was always a grifter and a liar. Although I don't agree with the death penalty, a better sentence for him would have been to live with the harm he caused to that sweet girl and unborn child.

Being Christian is the 'easy-way'? It takes a lot to stand by your faith in an age where you are ridiculed by normies for doing so. On an aside, you'll be surprised at how many people turn to Christ when faced with their impending death. Just you wait.

​@@ljones2087oh, honey...

It is disgusting how many people try to evade punishment in the afterlife and forgo the agony of death by becoming fervent deathbed Christians after having lived like the devil. Jesus will surely carry all their guilt and wash them all white and all will be well. And they choose denominations where there is not even any shadow of purgatory. I call it narcissism to the last. They will be sorely surprised when at the other side as well.

@@ljones2087 poor persecuted Christians. Yeah. Look at the actual stats. In the US, Evangelists are the one's destroying women's falopian tubes, removing the ability to give life as they have stopped Doctors from giving early medical intervention to those doomed pregnancies.

She was also blinded by love

​@@lanas1149no, people are not blinded by "love" they just make stupid choices

He didn't commit the murder while a born again Christian He became one in prison

@@billymoretti8437 I know that, of course, having listened to the whole story.. I simply have no time for such nonsense..

@@billymoretti8437you know they just want to hate Christians

@@pimpozza What nonsense?

@@pimpozza Okay so you have no time for what you call nonsense you also have no regard for any who do believe Why do you find it necessary to denigrate others beliefs? No one was pushing Being a born again Christian on you but you choose to attack born again Christians using any medium you can apparently.. what did this story have to do with you and Christians? I am not mad at you just pointing out an unnecessary comment. I will pray for you that the Lord will show you the truth. I'm glad you responded Now I have someone to pray for..🙂

we are all equal under God. his status didn’t save his soul

His scholastic abilities certainly left a lot to be desired😅

read "An American Tragedy" and understand his perspective

In movie, she drowned, because she couldn't swim

And too often they are glamourized by the MSM, the entertainment press and social media, held up as if they are heroes, something to aspire to.

A skirt factory? I thought were a shaving cream family?

It has been changing since the 80's. Still not quick enough.

Gillette was swiftly arrested, convicted, and fried, regardless of his social standing. I don't see the double standard.

Cue all the blokes coming out of the woodwork to say how 'men have it bad too!' Yes, we're perfectly aware that there are injustices against men in society as much as there is against women, but historically women have been treated abominably. If a man and a woman had an affair and the woman became pregnant, she better hope her partner supports her by marrying her, otherwise her life would be essentially in tatters. Men often got a slap on the wrist, if that. Those are the double standards spoken of here. It takes two to tango, as the saying goes...

@@SLD-bz9so oh, please…shut up,

@@locklear7937 these dudes are simply stupid. No other explanation.

And have a beautiful child too ❤

Welcome on board 😊

@KelleyJohnson2284849…that’s where I first heard of this case as well and the supposed haunting of Big Moose Lake by Grace Brown’s restless spirit. It was nice to hear about this case again and hear more information than I remember from UM.

How is it unsolved, if they know he did it?

This particular case was indeed solved, but the episode of Unsolved Mysteries was about ghost stories, haunted places.

The film "A Place in the Sun", 1951, was based on Theodore Dreiser's 1925 novel An American Tragedy, a searing look at dysfunctional relationships and blind ambition. The film was a popular and critical hit, winning six Academy Awards. Dreiser's novel was indeed inspired by Chester's murder of Grace.

I read Theodore Dreiser’s book in high school during an American author reading period. It does not please now . I moved on to the Russian authors soon afterwards.

What a strange comment.

Making Accountability Great Again..... (Or Making Attorneys Get Attorneys?).

@@susivarga7303 How so? We just saw the president's son receive probation for felony tax evasion and felony gun charges.

@@zukazealanee Did he kill someone? I didn't know. Squeaky clean politicians and business leaders until Hunter B came along, right? The ones who were not, all rooted out and sent to jail. That's what you are saying. Lol. You just made my day. Btw this guy was not rich and powerful mate. He was a nobody, with a day job in a factory.

@@susivarga7303 You certainly seem to be very defensive of the current president, I don't recall saying any people in power before the Bidens weren't corrupt. I just gave an example of current events to justify my statement. Your immediate reaction and need to automatically assume my reasoning behind the example given and need to deflect by saying "X crime is worse, so this crime is ok" is very telling about your state of mind. It reveals your tribalism and is rather sad to see.

Small world! I grew up in Zion, in the late 60s, 70s, and early 80s. Yes, John Alexander Dowie, the founder of Zion City (as it was called then) was nuts, as was Wilbur Voliva after him. Dowie had a stroke in 1907 or 1908 and had to step down from the Christian Catholic Church leadership. It was also proven that he was an embezzler and, as wacky as Voliva was, he did get the finances of the church in order after Dowie's "abdication." The church is now known as "Christ Community Church" and they subscribe to very few, if any, of the original teachings of the church. Dowie's house still stands, and it's now a museum and a place where weddings can be held. It's also home to the Zion Historical Society. It was an interesting place to grow up! Blue Laws were still very much in place, although not really enforced.

I've been learning more Voliva lately since I think he was in charge when my great-grandfather died. My great-grandma lived there till almost until the day she died. She and my great-grandpa worked in the hotel. I've been to the Dowie house. The lady who ran it then (this was in the 90s and I was probably 10 or 11) got very annoyed when I asked about the tunnel. I'd love to know more about the connections between the town and Chester Gillette's family, but I think his parents left there sometime after the execution.

No surprises on that account. All these faith healers are embezzlers already. Ever found one in the States who has had a verified healing and that is NOT hauling in the cash? Yet thousands, upon thousands are STILL suckered every year.

Thank you for sticking with us! 😁🙏