Honestly the revolver update was hilarious. People were playing R8 only competitive rounds and it was some of the most chaotic fun I've ever had playing CS.
Same here, i spammed R8 Only called myself Sheriff and just had a ton of fun, propably the most fun i´ve had in the Game for the entire 9 Years im Playing Go :D
A lot of people would say CS 1.4 and 1.5 are the worst updates due to the movement and spray nerfs. CS 1.0-1.3 might as well just be called Action Quake 2.
I think how history panned out for these versions, how long they were actually played. In this aspect 1.5 was quite succesful, It was played for maybe the second longest compared to 1.6, if we consider the 1.x versions of CS. Many of my friends played or even maintained 1.5 servers of national significance for long. We maybe occasionally played 1.6, or in a random ratio between 1.5 and 1.6. 1.5 was quite good, almost the final version of the 1.x Counter-strikes. I think many loved it, because the awp was less nerfed than in 1.6, to do repeated noscope-, or quicksope-switch to other weapon-and back to awp shots were quicker than in 1.6 I know multiple European 1.5 servers (20-32 slot) that were full all day in the first half of 2010s, and they have been full with some skilled friends at nights even during the first years of CSGO. I have even maintained one of them. We have just laughed at he existence CS:Source. I have played Source for 2 rounds at a freind of mine, in the first round I have forgot to bind mouse1 so I have missed out on sprayin mltiple guys with tmp, and then in the next I have sprayed them, and au revior Source for good :) In this aspect 1.6 is still quite succesful, although definitely declining player count by now. But I still know some 1.6 servers, which are astonishingly good scene and skill-wise, and often full, almost all day. One exmaple is the Buxna public (ran by some Southern Slavs, I'm not sure which country although, maybe a mixed effort.) If you want to see a good example of an 1.6 server, find it in Gametracker, and try it, I'd recommend it to all fans. They pull out maps out of I do not know where regularly. Many of those maps I have not ever seen in the 20 years I have played CS, but still, they play well, nice, funny, and often even balanced maps. Amazing, maybe they have modder friends, or some of them just spends a lot of time to find maps for the night fun. I like them admin job and skill-wise as well. This is so far from the impersonal and toxic Valve-ran, no-admin publics of CSGO. The problems with 1.6 are the following: Many of the players can not accept that tixoing with mousewheel is distgusting as it is. And not requires too much skill. If there is something I do not miss from CSGO, then this is the mwheel-tixo, or script-aided tixo. The other problem with 1.6 is: the game engine is not sufficiently independent from the fps. Game design-wise too much fps dependency on the engine side is definitely bad engineering. There are multiple documents over the internet, what confirms, that if your fps_max is above 100 and the fps_max is a divider of 1000 without a remainder at the same time, then you experience a slight speedup in movement and shooting (a few percent higher damage/second output). In effectively the server lets your client to act faster than other players' clients. I even hear the difference between the auto firing frequencies if the fps is very low or high, so in edge cases. I think having a higher damage output/second is plain unfair, and game engine-wise having an fps dependent engine is a bad design. This bug also leads to longer jumps, although to some problems as well, because at some fps levels you can get "stuck" a bit on landing. I have stopped using higher fps_maxes before getting conscious about this bug, because of the stucking. I have played at an auto bhop fun server at 1.6 where you just had to hold jump, and it was very easy to quite quickly bunnyhop. Well, this was ruined by the abusers of this bug, at higher fps limits like 500, the much higher acceleration and speed gained by the abusers allowed to take map control against quite weak players. Sadly many of them were new generation admins of the server, so proud of their "cleverness". For worse, they turned off the teambalancer plugin, used for long, as well. Sometimes they have played 5-6 admins vs all noobs + me because I do not join in the stronger team at public. So in this way, I have had a scrub 1.25k/d against them without any hiding, just rushing with no stop, or standing still in the middle of nowhere without any shelter to humiliate them :) After having a super colorful scene and server of national significance, with many fun maps, now they have an empty d2 only server. Congrats noobs.
actually, that 1.6 update DID go through, and did have different ads throughout the years ads did get removed in 2013 with the steampipe update however
Yup this is true, the update did go through and for anyone that is curious about it you can see one ad showing up in the door stuck video after they both die.
Well that's kinda shocking. I extensively tried to figure out if it came out or not since these ads were supposed to be more than placeholders but information was pretty scarce and most of what I found was around the announcement and some discussions about it in 2006 to 07. Also finding a version with the ads was difficult which also led me to think it never came out. Mainly though I didn't own Steam CS back then so I wouldn't have known personally.
@@dezolance yeah i had trouble too, turns out it was so unpopular all scene groups at the time refused to release a cracked version of the game with the ads still intact i ended up downloading a steam server emulator so i can actually obtain a copy of the game with the ads still there
@@_plg Well at least we can still say Valve's plan for these advertisements didn't come to fruition so having the placeholders seems like a mere slap on the wrist as opposed to what it could've been.
When he said dynamic pricing, I thought it would be dynamic IN a match, not globally. It could be interesting the TRs avoiding buying ak in early game so they can have cheap aks in the late game
@@davibergamin5943 I agree, I think this is a really interesting idea. But only per match and have a cap on how extreme the changes are. Would encourage players to use more variety of weapons instead of AK M4 all the time
It would be cool to have dynamic pricing but prices are reset for every game and prices change every round. Expensive guns would quickly become cheap and could be used in the third round or so but then quickly go up in price depending on player preference.
Dynamic pricing following the trend of the weapons per game. If lots of players are buying a specific weapon, that weapon's price will increase following the demands for it, just like how economy in real life works
Dude those 3 days that the revolver was left broken in the game were some of the most fun times I’ve had in CSGO. My friends and I grew up playing CS 1.6 & CS:S where most people didn’t play the game competitively, just for fun. If you’ve only ever played CSGO, it’s hard to describe the culture of the game prior to the implementation of matchmaking. Regardless, our little 3 man group eventually adjusted to & even enjoyed CSGO’s more competitive focus. But, for a single joyous moment, the broken revolver brought childlike enjoyment back into our group for the game. It reminded us why CS was so fun for us before we ever gave a shit about competitive ranks.
Dynamic pricing shows that somebody at Valve got bored of mapping and decided to pick up a macroeconomics textbook. And what it led us to? The entire skins and lootbox market, the gambling fiasco, etc.
@@primtve_dope9568 Or would not even exist by now, without the grandfather 1.6, especially considering how bad the initial releases of CSGO were. Or considering how long, how much they tried to overburden the ancient Source engine. GTA 5 looks and plays so much better on so much bigger maps, with a sligthtly newer and much more better optimized engine. Even on a very low end PC. I'd say by now, it is possible to play GTA 5 on a GPU what one can buy for 5 usd, while the mouse handling on a low end PC is horrendously inconsistent at CSGO. GO improved a lot over time, but not in this and not in the engine overburdening aspect.
@@primtve_dope9568It’s one of those things that makes me feel like my brain works differently from everyone else’s, because I cannot get my head around why people give a shit about skins. The prices that go around and the amount people are willing to pay for them is what REALLY baffles me. I rarely see a skin that I think looks better than the default weapon texturing, it is so bizarre to me.
@@half-lifescientist1991 people see it as an investment. also, there's no way you don't prefer the look of say, a m9 doppler, rather than stock knife. Or a ak47 leet museo over vanilla.
@@primtve_dope9568 I googled AK47 leet museo, and that's the ugliest goddamn skin I've seen in my life, what brain rot have you suffered that's made you think that that mish-mash of rainbow noise looks any good? call me old fashioned, but I like when my guns actually look like GUNS
There were also three other things regarding the R8: First the Rifles got nerfed by giving them a bigger spray pattern, second it contained a bug where when you hold F and clicked LMB you could keep the hammer cocked, wich makes the gun firing instantly without waiting for the hammer. And third the right mouse button wasnt disabled for the gun during the freezetime, so you could kill your teammates, if you wanted to grief.
I remember the ads in the CS1.6 maps but somewhere in 2013 they were completely removed and as for the dynamic pricing in CS Source, it sounded atrocious but I never experienced it. Lastly, yeah... The R8 Revolver update was for sure highly controversial and all the games felt like it was like the wild west. I recall it like yesterday... Fun times.
@@D00000T yeah r8 week was probably my favourite week of cs. Just the dumbest games. Shame theres no console command to get its op version like there is the cz
I like those banners in 1.6. I've found out if you played a specific version with Software mode, you would get these banners instantly. Not everyone had it, but it was a good one. One popular "Na'Vi are cheaters" satire had a Ghostrider banner in the tab. Good stuff.
I think that the revolver update was dumb and fun, but the operator skins were just broken on release. There were lots of spots on almost every map where you could blend with the surroundings by wearing the correct skin
The agent skin update has had far worse and longer lasting impact on the game. The revolver was a meme that lasted 3 days before valve patched it into oblivion. There is no patching the agents though. The game is stuck with them forever. Definitely the biggest mis-step that valve ever made with CSGO.
For CSGO, the worst update imo is the one where they changed the way spray patterns worked. I remember explaining to people that it just made shooting feel like shit and something was wrong and people were telling me that it was untrue and were saying i was bad etc and then a few days later they reversed the update and clarified thats exactly what was happening despite valve saying it made shooting more accurate lol
One of the several changes that CS suffered throughout 1.0 - 1.5 was the removal of the CT Training Course in 1.6, it was a lot more overexplained than the one in CS:GO but it had some charm to it. As of today the only officially available training course is the one in Deleted Scenes, which is a lot more over the top in comparison to 1.0's version. Unless you grab a hold of CS:GO's build on the Steam settings for CS2 in order to play that game's training course, which in my opinion was a lot more self contained but also fun to get some records.
@@lucasrocha1996 not really, most people who are toxic enough to kick someone for a bot would still kick someone just cause they’re pissing them off. It’s counter strike players
Winter update not only introduced the R8, but also changed the way rankings worked. I think people lost many ranks because of the new rank system along with that revolver.
I remember seeing pizza hut ads in the top left when dead in cs 1.6, although it could be a community server thing? it was in the same spot as the orange box ad. Edit: Looked back on my screenshots and it was actually Dominos - not like it makes any difference :D
Dynamic Pricing sounds good on paper, but then you realize that the M4, AK and AWP would never fluctuate to a stable price, making them unreachable most games.
I remember one deagle update around 2014, basically making an awp out of it. I was broadcasting at that time and teams internally agreed not to buy it. Was a huge fuzz in the league skype chats as it absolutely came out of nowhere with games to play basically every day. It was completely broken, more so than the revolver in my eyes as many 1.6 and esp. Source players were accustomed to playing deagle style back then. One team even "broke" the agreement on Inferno (I think it was SLTV) and bought them as they were losing, destroying a full-equipped opponent team in like 40 seconds. The opponents also bought deagle the round after so it became a huge mess until the end of the game. Mb 5-10 map rounds of deagle shots left and right. No rifle. No AWP. Only deagle.
Yeah, CS:GO has had a lot of, well not bad updates but unbalanced guns I guess people just exploited it more in CSGO due to its competitive scene to previous titles.
Great video! Quick advice: The editing is good, but just at the end of the video don't make your voice fade out. You can let the background and music fade but keep your voice untouched. Keep up the good work!
I’d heard about dynamic pricing before but I didn’t realize it was THAT bad. I assumed prices were just based on the guns bought in that match (which could actually be kind of interesting). Never would have thought Valve would be stupid enough to make price changes global, based on ALL matches.
Good call on leaving CSCZ alone. Better stayvout of that dumb hate wagon. 1.6 owes CZ all of the extra weapons like famas and galil and among other things. If they didnt try to do that parity thing it would never even be in 1.6. Its still superior version of og CS and people really should play instead. Even this sypid mandela effect about the menu song in pirated 1.6 versions, thats CZ music too.
There was an update for 1.6 around in 2013, which ruined the mouse settings. We gotta type 3 console commands and launch option commands in properties to work somehow. For me, that was the time.
Fun fact: 1.6 STEAM VERSION still have the AD feauture but inactive, you can activate all of them even for spec and make them custom (on your server, ofc).
Haven't even watched the vid, but know the revolver update will be here. MM was horrific for like a week back then 😂 . Also wish the AWP never got nerfed and we still had global chat at half time and still had bots
In CS:GO, imo one of the worst updates was almost entirely removing bots from the game. Seriously, why would I need more money instead of having a bot that actually may help in the game, or when I die I can play with it if it's still alive. Because currently, even when one person leaves, if both teammates and enemies were balanced, the team that has more players may still win.
the worst update to ever happen to GO was going free to play. the influx of cheaters is insane and trust factor is garbage. i get queue'd with silvers even though im LE every game because once, 3 months ago, i called someone some mean words and they reported me and my trust factor fell below spin botters apparently.
yep. 100% agreed, influx of cheaters went up by a metric shit ton and it didnt stop people from botting hundreds of thousands of cs prime accounts before they made it so you couldn't get prime for free anymore, those accounts are all still floating around for other cheaters to buy for cheap
I mean the 1.6 one doesnt seem too bad, specially if its meant to help community maps, wich were really big back then, as long as it isnt invasive. And the R8 one wasnt so bad either due to the very short time it lasted. I think the agent skins one is the worst.
Honestly, they should probably bring back that broken R8 in CS2 like one day a year. Just to change things up and have fun. Call it "Pistol day" or something.
I remember when R8 came out people rushing on dust 2 long just to have a revolver stand off (it wasn't even organized, players just did that cuz it was fun a broken)
as someone who has been sticking with the original CS the whole time, the 2013 steampipe update to 1.6 was easily the worst, to the point where I pirated the previous 2007 version 4554 after the 2013 version 6153 came out. The 2013 steampipe update was the one that removed Direct3D renderer and EAX and A3D audio APIs from the engine, as well as the death nail to hldsupdatetool in favor of the inferior steamcmd
The Revolver is in a much better state in CS2. Pretty sure Valve reverted some changes they made to the revolver, like shortening the firing delay of M1 down to 0.35 seconds or something like that. It is like a Scout, but in pistol form, without the scope. It is hilariously accurate, even while moving.
Im buying r8 to this day. I have over 800kills stattrak on it and i dont think about switching to deagle, its more accurate, more damage, long range more damage tho, its just better for me 8:43 ❤
initial CZ launch was arguable worse because that stayed up for a much longer time , initial revolver was nerfed in 1 day , cz stayed up for quite a bit and it was a pistol-ak , better than an ak in some cases
The first 1.6 beta/official first launch of steam 2.0(I think that was the version?) was also a huge failure. It killed the servers almost immidiately and delayed the launch for months. The move to Steam from the old system (WON) for Counter-Strike was also very controversial in general (gameplay changes between 1.5 and 1.6 less so.)
The hours that steam displays is online time on the game, not actual play time. You can sit and have CS running in the background for a week racking up idle hours counting as online time.
Holy crap, I remember the revolver update.. It BROKE the entire game.. Everyone was just playing with with, deathmatch was literally high noon everywere. It was literally crazy. I never recorded aces or something else but damn it was fun but also annoying, you could just run and gun lmao.
u will be surprised , but the r8 is usable against slow ass corner campers and unsuspecting targets , and if u run in to a submachinegunner near a choke point , you can always right click for a discount desert eagle
*3:01** Still These days exist ? Good Lord dude... that was good times. i mean not bad man... The Orange Box Was Revolutionary Showing in CS 1.6 When people don't know will revolution start by Valve Second Time.*
man i remember hitting quads with the R8 when it was released. Literally a day before my bday as well xD. U could also shoot it while in prep phase of the round by spamming right mouse button which wasted your ammo. But the fact stays that it was a pocket AWP and it was deadly for a mere 850$. I reckon everybody on my team and enemy team had like 16000$ to spend but everybody chose the R8 xD
When cs 1.3 came out and bhopping was massively nerfed (it was as easy as HL1's bhopping) it was a whine fest in the CS forums back then And 1.6's shield was also very controversial
