They FINALLY admitted that this was a major issue! 

Strange the sense pins weren't already designed to be a safety. Great change though. Crazy how much power these cards can draw.

I'm looking forward to the H++ Connectors. I don't think we can get our hands on them as of now. We'll upgrade and fix every card with a 12VHPWR connector.. Done. Everyone is happy.

The changes all sound great, but there's one more change I'd like to see... A wider retention clip to help eliminate side-to-side wiggle!

All the current 4090's need to be retrofitted with the new connector. If Nvidia is putting these updated connectors into all of their new batches of GPUs, then there was clearly a problem with the original design.

Phil's editing kills me 🤣 I love that flame from the side of the screen talking about the 4090 on the bench lol

They should really look at redesigning the retention mechanism for the Pins/Terminals as well. The little PCI clip dosen't seem to be cutting it.

"The 4090 is over on the bench, hopefully not melting..." *flames from Phil* - Just brilliant.

I've heard that the there is a 8-pin connector that works very well.

I mentioned this before. Ford Motor Company had this same exact problem with some cars in the 90's, my Mustang being one of them. The connector(never found out which exact one), under the steering column had to be changed due to the fact that the pins were too close and the wires were too small to handle the CURRENT(AMP) going through them. It caused a fire hazard. Credit to them for creating a recall as fast as they did.

Another super simple thing I saw some manufacturers do is paint the end of the plug in a different color (e.g. bright yellow). So if you plug it in and see yellow, it's not seated right.

100% This one will melt as well.

Thanks for this update Jay! Cheers.

It really sucks that this has been an issue for a very long time. The sense pins not being the shortest pins in the connector, was a major oversight! I feel they should also upgrade the clip tolerances to eliminate/minimize the connector wobble. Im soo glad i got my 3080ti strix card last summer, instead of waiting for 40 series! Although, it was pretty pricey...

There really needs to be a formal recall on these things, whether someone's current GPU has already fried or not.

Thank you Jay, very informative

The term used for cables moving due to heat changes is called thermal creep and is a major issue. Most higher end systems use some type of retention system (wire brace, velcro, etc) to hold connection in place

This is good content. You're channel is always good, Jay.

It's great that they admitted fault but with the pressure from the media and health and safety issues they had little to no choice. This is the R&D that should have been done before the release of the product and due to the safety issue the companies need to do a recall. Great video Jay

Thanks Jay, for taking the time to teach me about the birds and the bees.

Glad to see some changes being made. Action is much nicer than words :)

I put Nyogel dielectric grease on my 12VHPWR to help combat terminal fretting due to inherent case vibrations from fans and pumps. Also built a connector clamp block to eliminate any possibility of the connector being wiggled crooked.

There's also another aspect to wire gauge. The thinner the wire, the HIGHER the resistance over the length of that wire, the thicker the wire, the LOWER that resistance is. Resistance in a current load creates heat and that heat will show up at the connector before it shows up in the wire.

DAMN ! new crazy grip on those plugs, GJ !!

Jay, if you can do that sense pin loosening thing as a follow up, that'd be valuable. If you could get a card going black screen and 100% fan on camera, it'd probably help some folks troubleshoot their cards better.

The power limit increase kinda suggests they're getting ready for a variant with higher power draw .. which would be expected of something like a 4090Ti 😉

Hey Jay I was a big time RC car and truck user when I was a kid anyone that was in the late 80s to 90s prior to Lipo were forced to use Nicad batteries and the higher the volts and amps lead to massive battery fires and shorts this reminds me of back in the day, one thing that came to mind was the connection between speed controller and battery the connection that had the split in the receiving pin or female side was found to be the culprit in the loss of connector when the plugs were connected and the power was surging through it any sort of gap or misalignment of the fonnection resulted in an arc similar to the idea of a spark plug, In this scenario it can be just as detrimental as it creates heat and with heat then the connectors with the split would open up creating more arcs all of the gpu plugs are reminders of the old Tamiya plug styles or Molex that as a racer we would clip off in favor of the deans blade connectors back in the day, im curious if any of this holds true in these current connectors on gpus now adays

Great video Jay, I felt like I was back in a big meeting at work...

That was an excellent job Jay, thanks for taking the time and putting the effort in to a subject that's not easy to explain. Well done 👍 and kudos for the edits.

Can confirm, I was having the black screen & 100% fan speed issue and it was a loose cable mod connecter at the card. Visually it looked fine, but I reseated it and haven't had an issue in a week. So possibly some defective adapters for other people but I 100% think that a loose connection is the issue.

That is good to know about the black screen and 100% fan speed been having some of that since getting my 4090.

Every time I see this stuff I'm so happy with my ancient simply plug and play 3080. And I have the cables pulled hard 90 degrees to the right and wrapped around the side of the card to the back.

not often you allow the big F bomb to be in uncensored jay, great video. Keep it up, team!

It's about time! My Strix 4090 got burnt down even though i had my pretty connector connected correctly. It destroyed the 180° cable mod adapter too. It's a garbage connector.

This is great news, finally some real changes and fixes to the issues with power. Also would like to see on a pcb side of connector power to be not delivered to a single big power plane , but rather many broken down planes so that if resistance falls in one pin it can handle extra current from its pair instead of all pins

I'm glad PCI-SIG is getting an update out, but I have some questions. I saw no mention of the X-axis rocking that caused the cable to become disjointed at the board connector. Wouldn't a three sided shroud around the wire connector prevent that in addition to the updated pin designs? Additionally, regarding the sense pins specifically, I had figured they would be cut back, but I'm curious as to why CARD_PWR_STABLE wasn't lengthened instead of being cut, since supposedly that's the lynchpin with regard to letting the PSU know to cut power to the GPU in case of overload or off-kilter power delivery circumstances. Any thoughts on these?

Man ! Jay ! I love how thoughtful and clear your presentations are...Good Work!

Wow Thank Jay, I just received my (Thermal Grizzly WireView power connectors) The 1x8Pin PCIe Normal & Reverse type, The 2x8Pin PCIe Normal & Reverse type for my work area. man I may have jump the gun on getting then so soon.

Very well explained, thanks!

The new connectors are now on current 4090s from a couple of months! Also the current cables are compatible with the new connector!

Jay, I started building PCs back in the early 1990s. Loose connectors were never a problem back then. Most of our devices, like monitors and printers, used cables to attach them to the ports on the PC and thumb screws to secure the plugs to the PC. You knew the connection was secure and would not separate from the PC. As I remember things, our MOLEX connectors used two retainer clips. To paraphrase an old anti-acid commercial, "Click-Click. Oh, what a relief it is."

Good to know they're doing something about it. My MSI Suprim X 4090 melted today, together with the cablemod adapter...

I sure wish that WWII game had existed decades ago... My grandpa, rest his soul, would have LOVE that WWII game! He had filled his library full of books about the warships from that era. He loved opening them up and talking about them. I can think of nothing he would have enjoyed more than that game!

So if my 4090FE burns my house down, assuming I survive, I can take legal action against the leather clad bell-end???

It would be really nice if there was a threaded connector or some way to keep the adapter secure.

My friend and I both have had the black screen issue with our 4090’s. I solved mine by removing the 90 degree angle connector from Cablemods. His is currently in RMA.

More videos like this, please! This was an EXCELLENT breakdown on the new spec 12v-HP plug, Jay! Kudos.... and gimme more of this! 😃👍

Thanks for the video. Informative and helpful as always 👍🏻

I feel like this plug should work kind of like how an old VGA plug works and you actually tension it tight

As someone with a original 3080 I hope the 5080 series fixes all the 40 series cards problems (Size,power consumption/temps, PRICE, and connectors!) Big reasons why I never "upgraded"

Thanks for your two cents Jay! As usual I am mostly on your line as usual. I am happy I did decide to skip until they changed the 12v plugs. I had a hunch they would eventually, but did not know. However I did not want to risk my hardware since I am not wealthy enough to do that. Also I did not have a extreme need, as i do have a 3080 that works well still, even if it is getting long teeth by now. I would have love to buy a 4090 for the same money I paid for this 3080 during the worst scalper period. But I still waited and waited in fear to do the swap. And now I see light in the end of the tunnel. I don't know if 'l go for a 4090 though, I might just wait for 50 series..

Jay - great video - I Can 100% confirm your point around the 15 min mark; re: wiggling the connector to get the black screen and 100% fan ramp; This is continually happening with my Gigabyte OC 4090; This happens both randomly and with a physical intervention on the plug.

Glad I went with a 4080 😊

🪄✨ Made with SummarizeYT app 0:00 - The 12VHPWR plug is finally getting an update and a name change to 12V-2x6. 0:23 - The update aims to prevent melting and improve the reliability of the plug. 1:20 - The changes come from the collaboration of various board manufacturers, not from Nvidia or Intel. 2:32 - The new specification includes changes such as power draw, temperature limits, and minimum force required to pull the plug. 4:02 - Different manufacturers and suppliers use different pin types and wire gauges, leading to variations in the adapters. 5:01 - The new specification ensures compatibility regardless of wire gauge. 6:43 - There are two types of pins in the market: Astron and NTK. NTK offers better contact and greater contact area. 8:02 - The standardized spec recommends the use of NTK pins instead of Astron. 8:27 - The new spec increases the power rating to 675 Watts, allowing for better power delivery. 9:00 - The spec also allows board partners to draw a full 75 Watts from the PCI Express slot. 9:35 - The new 12V-2x6 plug has more contact surface area compared to the Astron 3 dimple plug. 9:39 - Changes to the terminal side of the plug have improved contact points and decreased the chances of poor contact and melting. 11:01 - The new specification includes a minimum of 150 watt sense pin for better communication between the graphics card and the power supply. 12:10 - The new plug design includes a safety mechanism that disconnects the plug before it can cause melting or poor contact. 13:16 - The plug now has a minimum wire length requirement to prevent tension on the pins inside the plug. 14:00 - Loose plugs or damaged sense wires can cause black screen issues and 100% fan speed. 15:00 - Using NTK pins on all adapters is recommended to ensure reliability and prevent melting. 17:06 - Users with three-dimple plugs should consider exchanging them for NTK plugs to improve safety. 17:28 - Repair services may start offering plug upgrades for existing cards to prevent future issues. 19:02 - Using NTK pins was discouraged in the past due to higher costs, but it provides better reliability.

Probably the only video that explained it properly, thank you

One reason the dimples may wear out is metal fatigue. Metal, including copper, expands as it heats up especially when under heavy loads. Then when it cools off, the metal will retract making a looser connection. Eventually those dimples will Stay loose. We had that problem with our deployment equipment in the desert. We started several fires not knowing why at first. Once we figured it out we had to retrofit connections and newer systems came with better connections.

I bought a 12vhpwr cable and 90 degree adapter from cablemods, I would love to see an "upgrade plan" where you send your cables/adapter and for a reasonable price they would upgrade it to the new 12v-2x6 connector.

So happy I went with a 4070 Ti. Not a single report on this card regarding melting cables / plugs. Been working like an absolute charm with my CableMod 12VHPWR cable for half a year now. :)

"Over there, hopefully not melting ..." *FWOOSH!!!* Well done, folks. Well done! 😄

Great user technical review, THANK YOU for your 2 cents.

Kind of random, but I always enjoy your videos. You guys all do a great job with this channel keeping things fun and information rich. Keep up the great work and know that your hard work is greatly appreciated!

I loved the segment on this that Steve from GamersNexus made in his Weekly News Recap. "I was looking at the changes and thinking, 'This looks familiar...'." The changes were basically exactly what he asked for. 😂 Thanks for the coverage, Jay.

Love the amount of information in this video Jay! Thanks for breaking this down.

Thank you for your research. I find your videos are well done. RIght now Im keeping an eye on Cannafarm ltd

Based on a couple videos on the new plug, it was never mentioned if the retaining clip was adapted or widened to limit the amount of wiggle of the previous version.

Honestly, I'm thinking it's still best to wait and see, or if you really want a 4090 go get something that isn't that high on the tier list in terms of power limit setting. I recall some AIBs are set to use the whole 650w while some are fine with 450w as the power limit. Galax's HOF even uses 2x 12VHPWR with an LED light display that tells you if your card is only able to use half the power due to not being plugged properly. Here in Asia, I can find a lot of those L-shaped 12VHPWR connectors that look exactly like what Jay showed before and there is one thing that is labeled the same across all of them from what I have seen. All of them say "rated for 450w". Now I wonder if that's a possible cause of issue if you, say, use one of these connectors on an ASUS Strix RTX 4090 which is said to be set to have the full 650w power limit, and then plug the 12VHPWR connector properly as a whole. Will the connector cause an issue? I can only guess.

Great indepth video and promising signs ahead, sometimes it sucks being the early adopter of new generation of stuff, glad I've been holding off buying a new gpu, guess will wait to see how the new batch of cables / gpu's go once its all released.

They should introduce lockable cables like the ones used in cars for everything. A lever latch that will only fully close if fully connected. No point for those half-arsed solutions.

Very thorough explanation. It probably won't affect me since I am running a NVIDIA GeForce GT 710, but I like knowledge. Thank you.

Jay You just saved me a fortune, I was just about to pull the trigger on a 4090, I was going to order one at the end of this week, but now I’m going to wait, great video thank you 👍

At 600+ watts, design the cards to plug into the wall itself and not the PSU. That would be common sense.

good to see there is something positive coming out of this issue with the 4090,s

I don't think these changes being made are going to cut it. 4090's are burning out at the power plug like Canadian wildfire, and 4080's that draw 320-350W are also still burning out, just not quite as rampantly as 4090s. 4070's however are not, at only 200-250W draw. I have said from the beginning when I first looked at the specs and total contact area that with the total contact area of all pins and terminals that 250-300W PER connector was likely the limit of the plug. It is only around 45% more contact area than the ATX-2.0 8/6+2 pin connector, and only ~70% more than the ATX 6pin, which translates into the same percentage of increased safe transfer capacity. Contact area determines safe wattage via ohms, or impedance. Impedance translates into heat when you try pushing more power through due to natural resistance. At least the change in terminal style from minimal nub contacts to the spring style bars takes that into mind, but it is still not likely enough. I am hypothesizing that they are figuring it at double the 6 pin terminal capability due to twice the pins. But I have also seen 4 pin Molex connectors carry more current that smaller 8 and 12 pin connectors due to surface area impedance. Total safe transfer capacity is directly proportionate to total surface contact area. I think the ACTUAL solution is to tone down the wattage per connector and increase the number of connectors. No matter how in depth and complex the project you are working on, you should NEVER neglect or forget the basics. Even the most complex designs and standards start with the basics, because if they don't start with the basics the basics get forgotten and failure becomes a forgone conclusion.

This is the first time in a long time my strategy of skipping a generation for video card updates has saved me some trouble. Thanks Mr.3090....you may be a little slower at 4k, but we're doing just fine and also not on fire.

Honestly this issue pushed me away from the 4090. I know there's "bigger reasons" I shouldn't want one but gaw damnit I can afford it and I wanna use the types of graphics it's makes possible

Jay looks pretty sharp as a rear admiral.

Hopefully the changes work for the better

That's actually a good thing that I couldn't afford the RTX 4090 last year. Should be ripe by the end of this year

Whoever was responsible for this mess needs to pay for GPUs to get an upgraded power plug

Thanks for covering this Jay. There's no reason the connectors aren't made to be 90 degree in the first place given most people need to bend the crap outta the cables to manage them in cases.

so glad i made cables for a living and do quality for them now and made my own when there were issues. it uses general molex style pins and connectors. i really just used spare ntk stuff from work. i really hope they actually fix things for the public consumer.

The problem with the 12vhpwr connection is the fact that you are pushing 16awg wiring to it's limit and the pins are smaller than 16awg which makes them heat up. If you notice in the new drawing the pins are larger than the original to give more area for current flow. They cannot have a smaller area/contact point than 16awg stranded wire. I made this observation when you made the first video about this. No one is talking about the connector pin size but they increased it for a reason. THAT IS THE PROBLEM but they will never point it out because it makes them look bad.

this is good but we shouldn't even be having this conversation

I had the no display/full fan speed issue. It happened rarely at first but got more frequent. Sure enough just lightly touching the plug would cause it to happen. Removing the plug and then plugging it back in fixed it. Luckily no melting occurred.

the world of warships ad spot is the only one i watch all the way through just to see Admiral Jay

no views gang

love the money stack above the box

The 30C above ambient will not refer to the ambient in your room but the ambient in the case in which it is fitted. Since most plastics start softening at around 100C I would prefer to see an absolute temperature specification and not a relative

Thanks Jay!! You’re pretty cool and give me goood knowledge.

That naval uniform suits you!!

The failure rate is still relatively low, at 0.05% to 0.1% based on the data collected from board partners, cable makers and GN's viewers.

I have a PNY 4080 and i haven't any issue with the connector. I am happy so far.

Looking Good Jay! Great coverage! Is it possible to source a NTK plug right now? Be a bummer is my new 4090 burned up.

Had my MSI 4090 since February with the EK waterblock and active backplate and no issues yet however I wouldn't mind paying for the upgrade if it means keeping my 4090 safe.

Well this seems like a good timing for myself? I am doing a bunch of research right now in preparation to build a pc for the first time and am going to save up over the next 6-8 months to really afford a top end spec system. So hopefully everything gets updated and rolled out to all the specs by the time I can have the cash on hand. Great video with information explained in an easy to understand way.

Thanks J.

Love the ending!

Great changes!

That last line... Ooofff! I felt that!

Nice hat, bro. Wear that around Morro Bay. You can walk right into the Yacht Club. Well, the gate's never locked, so you can walk right in anyway. They usually have a free hamburger BBQ every Friday afternoon, FYI.

Jay, My son and I went to Microcenter over 4th of July Saturday and purchased two ASUS Strix OC 4080 cards. At the same time we ordered two of the Cablemod right angle adapters that arrived the next day. So on Sunday, just as the adapters arrived, my son notified me that he just had a meltdown on his 12v cable. we were OCD ( as you mentioned in this video) about making them secure and ensuring they were not bent. PS was a EVGA 1000w Supernova G2 fyi. We took the card back to Microcenter and they replaced it no questions asked and the manager was aware of the issue. Anyway, we both are using the adapter, pre-bent cable running straight down and then elbowed to run rearword and made sure there is zero stress on the plug. Very odd that it happened on a 4080 though… we have pics if you want to see…let me know.