This Bible Passage Makes MANY Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation... 

Conditional security.

You’re just believing falsely, why would Paul warn baptized christians (Gal 3:26) of not inheriting the kingdom of God (Gal 5:19-21) if one couldn’t lose their salvation? Repent and join the Catholic Church.

​@@christsavesreadromans1096 it's better to be a non believer that didn't hear gospel than to be a part of catholic Church. For the Bible says that people that knew about truth and yet reject them will suffer severely more than others in hell. Hope you start reading your Bible and not your catholic tradition that's been stuffed into your brain

The catholic Church is of Satan@@christsavesreadromans1096

I can relate to your comment. I was "saved" when I was 12. I'm 53 now. I lived my life thinking I was saved and lived worldly. I was on the fence, I was lukewarm, carnal. It wasn't until almost 3 years ago that I realized I was lost. If I died in my sins, I would have gone to hell.

If you tell everyone that you are a carpenter but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a carpenter? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian. 1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

@exactly brother ! Hebrews 10:26-29 "26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?"

@@savedwretch This has always been a passage that has troubled me for a while now. For the longest time, I lived in willful sin even though I knew that it wasn't right. Finally, about half a year ago, I finally realized how much trouble that I was in and repented. And yet I have never gotten over whether or not I can be forgiven for such acts. I feel awful. I know that I've done wrong and I want to get back to God. Is it even possible now? Is it too late for me?

@@syrsafox32 Good to see you've turned from your sin....please guard yourself and keep on the straight and narrow road. No it's not too late unless you suddenly die (which 106,000 people die every minute young and old) and didn't make right with God. I was saved as a teenager and my pastors told me there are w no way to fall away. Most of my life i titled myself a "Christian" and listened to OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) preachers After my water baptism in my teenager years fully believing in Jesus...I thought to myself "well these charasmatic/pentecostal preachers told me once i am saved, i'm always saved"..."so why worry about being righteous and holy and the so called, hard narrow road ?!". I fell into a lifestyle of sin..being a drunk, getting high, sex addict, using foul language... practicing sin. My weakness like my father's was...is women. I was constantly looking at porn making perverted jokes with friends etc even while being married and having 2 beautiful young kids. I knew deep inside OSAS is WRONG. I gave up all other practice of sinning except for pornography(which almost ruined my marriage a few times). I couldn't stop being adicted to porn ! In the shower i would sometimes feel so guilty and start to cry to God, asking for forgiveness and that i promise i would never watch porn again,....to only break that vow the next day...so on and so on.. in early 2021,..i was diagnosed with a stage 3 brain tumor early, i was immediately booked for surgery since the tumors were so big, it caused un imaginable headaches and seizures. I had to come to terms with..."this could be it ! i asked myself honestly"If i die now, would i go to heaven or hell?!". I KNEW i'd be going to hell!...i knew those OSAS preachers were wrong, but i loved my sin. So I sincerely repented and totally turned away from practicing sin,...so much so i don't even check out a revealing clothed woman in public out. With my hard-headedness, i had to look DEATH in the eyes. i was so full of joy and motivated to learn more of my God,.. picked up the Bible and studied it night and day ever since. I wanted to know the truth!...and everything about Jesus and getting truly saved. Many sleepless nights went to searching for truth. Since i didn't work, i had all the time to research everything i could that had anything to do with Christianity,..i searched and read many scholarly texts and history. when the surgeon asked me to sign a form that i had to aknowledge that i could die or come out of surgery paralyzed or brain-dead. They operated hours long and stopped...it was a failure! they couldn't remove any tumors! the tumors had invaded the whole right lobe of my brain and has roots into the actual stem part of the brain which controls motor functions like breathing, heart beat etc. They said they had to stop or i'd be paralyzed or dead. I didn't have balance anymore, and i couldn't sing and talk anymore..only whispers came out. I was put on strong chemo therapy and the strongest possible radio therapy which all ended last year Nov (2021). Each new MRI scan showed that the tumors are rapidly increasing in size by 400% while doing all therapies. The docs gave me max 6 months to live (expiring Dec 2021) as all treatments were failing to help....my cancer doc even looked me in the eyes and said "i don't want to see you again, i can't do anything else for you" similar patients dies within weeks to a couple months if the treatments failed like mine did. I am writing this in Nov 2022 (1 year after my death date given by docs). 1 month ago i visited that cancer specialist again. He fell back in his chair and just stared at me, he said it's impossible that you are walking, talking, laughing! He looked at mu MRI pics and said "i don't understand!...your tumors are getting smaller!" I am booked for another MRI scan in Feb 2023. Being born-again for over a year now and living in righteousness as God demands us to,... what an adventure!!!...painful, but worth it ! I sing now for the past 11 months in our church band as one of the lead singers(yes, God gave my voice back), also the past 6 months i rollerskate with my wife in Christian Performances where i lift her up and so on(yes, God gave my balance back). I live my life for God now, my family loves the "new" born-again me. Obeying God's Commandments is not hard to do anymore, it is a pleasure honestly. I can't thank God enough everyday for giving me a second chance... something many are not so fortunate to have. Jude 1:7 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

@@syrsafox32... James 5:19-20 "19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins." NOTE: you see my friend, it is not too late, but truly repent and never go back again. Fight the good fight until your last breath enduring temptations to sin. Keep God's 10 commandments (John 14:15 "If you love me, obey my commandments). i prayed for God to give you strength in times of temptations,may God bless you Syrsa.

@@savedwretch Thank you. You too. C:

if it were possible it would more likely be the willful falling / turning away from Christ / God as in the willful disobedience of the original sin that brought the original fall from grace.

Stop sinning men . Don't take It easy . If you have in your mind :" Let's sin more for we are under grace" , you are geting It wrong . Flee from sin

Why do some people think Hebrews 6 is talking about just backsliding? It's not talking about if you sin again because you will. But if you're truly saved you will be chastened and feel miserable about it and won't want to do it again. No one in sinless. It's talking about losing your faith, it's talking about no longer believing in Jesus and his sacrifice for our sins on the cross. Plain and simple. Be careful once saved, always saved gives unsure people the license to stay in sin.

Not necessarily. The Jews crucified Jesus, for political reasons. Jesus was about npopular with them as Trump in America is now. Are they going to change overnight, like Jonah's Nineveh?Why do Churches still have prayers of confession? This brings you back to your original "saved" (whtever that means) status. Sins that are forgiven are wiped off the record. If you believe otherwise, this guy would tell you: "Don't read Hebrews, or anything else except Genesis." That is no answer. Hebrews was written to explain Christianity to Jesus' own people, to those over whom Jesus wept. Nobody knows whether they are saved or not until they arrive at the Pearly Gates and ring the doorbell. That leaves no time for worrying about their status. They need to get away from their books, and start being what God wants them to be. "Faith without works is dead." This guy's rhetoric simply shows how wrong he accepts that he is. Basically, he has no understnding of human psychology. He thinks this way, but he can't believe that nobody else does. He is talking like Jonah before Nineveh. They don't even speak his language, far less Jewish eschatology. God may be Supreme, but still does not take away human fee will.

@@therealdeal7 Hebrews 6 is for those Hebrews Who from animal sacrifice came to Jesús the new and only sacrifice for sin, they believed It , and afterwards they went back again to the animal sacrifice again . For this people there is no forgivness anymore because the animal Blood cannot wash away the sins . Remember that the book of Hebrews was not writen to the romams , but to the HEBREWS speacially , also for us. For those Who does not understand Hebrews 6 , the responde of this whole chapter is verse 9 . To understand this Book , you need the guidance of the Holly Spirit of God . I strugled 2 years almost to understand Hebrews 6 and 10 . Now i understand 🙂 Good bless you

If you tell everyone that you are a carpenter but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a carpenter? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian. 1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

If you tell everyone that you are a carpenter but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a carpenter? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian. 1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

How can a person lose their redemption when that salvation has saved them from sin? Jesus Christ saved us from ALL of our sins. All sins will be forgiven you, all! The only sin not forgiven is a rejection of God’s salvation through Christ Jesus, the work of the Holy Spirit.

I agree with once saved always saved, but he doesnt. He believes in preservation of the saints (those who are truely saved will never commit apostasy)

@@donkeymama2 You don't think that is essentially the same thing?

@@joycegreer9391 no its not. Once saved always saved is the arminian (though not shared by all) stance that holds even if one commits apostacy (leaves the faith) and dies faithless, they would still be saved. Preservation of the saints is the calvinist doctrine that states true believers will never commit apostacy and will die faithful, those who do leave and die faithless never had faith to begin with and are thus damned to the lake of fire for eternity

Yes you can loose your salvation. Read Romans 11 16-24 please. Even king David prayed for God not to take his holy Spirit away. The elect, foreknew, predestined people are the Israelites. Anybody can be cut off if you don't stay in his good graces.

​@@richhuzy6592 No, that is not right. It is Jesus who holds secure all whom the Father has given Him, and we are sealed in the Holy Spirit. It is not in our power to save or keep ourselves saved. It is all GOD. God is not capricious. It is not "staying in His good graces". King David was before Messiah came. Scripture says we were chosen before the foundation of the world, so that was long before the Israelite nation. See Ephesians 1:3-14 Romans 11 is referring to the Gospel, those who believe and those who reject it. If you have true saving faith, then be sure in your salvation.

@@joycegreer9391 it all depends on if you have received the holy spirit. John's baptism only for repentance of sins fulfill righteousness. However not everyone gets the gift of the holy spirit. If you don't endure to the end, you will fall away from his grace

@@joycegreer9391 and you are wrong. The Israelites are the ones God took out of Egypt and set free. They are the elect, the foreknow, the predestined.

@@joycegreer9391 and you are wrong. The Israelites are the ones who God took out of Egypt and set free. They are the elect, the foreknown, the predestined.

Surely you can find a church where truth is spoken. 😊

hahaha "tire kickers" I love that saying, I use it sometimes, and get confused looks.. 😅

Had the same thought in mind too. "Tire kickers" sounds about right.

Yes. Its quite interesting to me how many pastors and modern teachers strain to convince people that they cannot lose their salvation, when in fact our salvation is truly not known to us until the final day of judgement. Why else would the Bible focus so much attention on "Fearing God" and "remaining faithful" and "finishing the race"?

​@@andymiltner1713 1 John 5:13 These things have I written to you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God. Everything before this verse is written so we can know we have internal life. Eph 2:4-7 AKJV 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, has quickened us together with Christ, (by grace you are saved;) 6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Because of his great love he saves us and causes to sit in heavenly places, so that in the future he can show the riches of his kindness towards us in Christ.

Not convinced the passage is talking about non-Christians. Cross-reference Hebrews 6:4 with Hebrews 2:9, and do a Greek word study on the word taste. Geuo- to experience or receive in the figurative sense. If these people were unsaved, then it means these people came short of experiencing salvation. Likewise, it would mean that Jesus came short of experiencing death, and that is total heresy. If Jesus never died, then he could never have resurrected, which means you have no hope of an afterlife. Also, if you can’t be renewed to repentance, that means you’ve already repented. An unsaved person has never repented. If I renew my driver’s license, it implies I’ve had one before. If I renew my magazine subscription, it implies I’ve had one before. How could you say these people were never saved?

Well done. My former pastor never liked the phrase “lose your salvation”, he would prefer to say you can leave it, willfully turn your back on it , or walk away from it. The problem is on our end, not His end. Compare Hebrews 6:4 with 2:9 and do a Greek word study on the word taste. (Geuo) It’s a checkmate argument that settles the meaning of the passage once and for all.

Reading your comment brought a scripture to my mind that best explains what you’re trying to convey.. . . . “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.” ‭‭II Peter‬ ‭2:20-21‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ . . It’s sad watching how brother Todd was trying his possible best to twist truth in front of the children of God, I couldn’t bear to watch it anymore

If you tell everyone that you are a mechanic but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a mechanic? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian.

Does your answer wants to say you agree with Todd Friel, or disagree with his here given teaching? I do not agree with him.

@@lucianos4720 I agree with the word of God and not man.

A tree is known by its fruit likewise a real Christian produces good fruit. Suppose you have a apple tree and a peach tree both growing, how do I know which is which? The tree that produces peaches is the peach tree and the one that produces apples is the apple tree, likewise a so called Christian who is worldly/sinful is not a real Christian. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire

I think these are the people who were “on the fence”. They were used to the old traditions of the ceremonial law that pointed forward to Jesus, but never took the step forward TO Jesus and went back to their old ceremonies that don’t lead to salvation. They never truly repented. They rejected the Gospel.

@Factsss.... OSAS is not Biblical. From Adam and Eve to the apostles there are warnings and demonstrations after warnings and demonstrations about apostasy. How are you people so blind ?! While we draw breath there is always a chance we might abandon God...that is why Paul says at the end of his life "i have have finished the race, i have fought the good fight, i have kept the faith". What would happen if he decided not to have finished the race?...or to not have fought the good fight?...or to not have kept the faith?....yea....so easy to go hide in your OSAS little boxes and pretend you are saved ! It has always been about having a continuous relationship with God,...if you don't obey Him, you forfeit the relationship...not Him. You are in His grace only by conditions...John 14:15 "If you love me, obey my commandments"..if you practice sin (constantly break His commandments) no sacrifice is left for you on Judgement day! Repent and keep turning away from sin.

@@savedwretch obey is to believe and love one another nothing more

@@savedwretch John 13-34:35

@@savedwretch that’s his command

@@savedwretch Ephesians 2-8

A tree is known by its fruit likewise a real Christian produces good fruit. Suppose you have a apple tree and a peach tree both growing, how do I know which is which? The tree that produces peaches is the peach tree and the one that produces apples is the apple tree, likewise a so called Christian who is worldly/sinful is not a real Christian. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire

Where in the bible does it discuss predestine the elite?

@@kcc3090 elect. Not elite

@@kcc3090 elect. Not elite . Romans 8 29-30.. They're are a bunch of scriptures, that clearly state predestination. Hyper calvinists don't bother to share Jesus with a why bother mindset. This is dreadfully wrong. Predestination is a very lofty topic that very few have a grasp of. Lukewarm christianity runs rampant in the western world because of the once saved always saved doctrine. I said the sinner's prayer and got my ticket to heaven so now I'm going to live the way I want. Push comes to shove, Jesus is much more strict than lukewarmers imagine.

@@davidbenson9944 Romans 8 is directed at unbelieving Israel, not the world more generally. (8:1-2) Same with John 6. Jesus is talking to unbelieving Israel, not the world at large. Context matters.

I firmly believe that God knowing who His children will be does not mean He predestines them. He exists outside of time and knows the outcomes; but that does not mean He makes them happen. We DO exist inside time, and have free will. He may know what we will choose but we are still free to choose what we will. There is no one who wishes to be saved and chooses Jesus that God turns away because they are not "predestined".

If you tell everyone that you are a mechanic but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a mechanic? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian.

If you tell everyone that you are a mechanic but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a mechanic? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian.

Amen 🙏🏼

@@Jair222 Enjoy I have some underlying health issues which can lead to premature death, so I heard about fasting can help fix many issues so I decided to give it a go by dry fasting (no food or water) I could only do it for 1-2 days a week without feeling too weak, but a few months in my heart started racing and it let weaker and weaker. When I would eat something unhealthy it would race hard. One night it was racing hard and a tall figure in white appeared and was praying towards the picture of Jesus in my room, he said something like “please don’t let him die from a heart attack”, then soon after he disappeared and I heard the audible voice of God tell me some stuff then that voice stopped then I felt my body being lifted and life being pumped back into my heart and I was healed thank God, Jesus is God and He is very loving and a miracle worker.

If you tell everyone that you are a mechanic but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a mechanic? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian.

Wrong. The verse says "I never knew you". Not "I knew you and now I longer know you".

A tree is known by its fruit likewise a real Christian produces good fruit. Suppose you have a apple tree and a peach tree both growing, how do I know which is which? The tree that produces peaches is the peach tree and the one that produces apples is the apple tree, likewise a so called Christian who is worldly/sinful is not a real Christian. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire

A tree is known by its fruit likewise a real Christian produces good fruit. Suppose you have a apple tree and a peach tree both growing, how do I know which is which? The tree that produces peaches is the peach tree and the one that produces apples is the apple tree, likewise a so called Christian who is worldly/sinful is not a real Christian. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Why are you spamming this thread with such heretical doctrine?

@@DavidTron63 Sin takes you to hell so repent today In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)

@@DavidTron63 Repent

Would love to hear your story if you would be willing to share. Going through a similar battle at the moment

What made you leave catholicism?

By “falling away from your faith” I don’t think you mean sinning again. If that were the case then we’ve all fallen away and can no longer be saved. I think falling away from the faith means not believing the Gospel anymore, even to the point of professing disbelief in the gospel of Christ. I know persons who have done this. We’re they ever saved? Did they ever truly believe and receive salvation? I doubt it. We all stumble in many ways and can even fall into overt sin, but a person who truly believes could not stop believing and profess unbelief.

You were saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit when you first believed. You have eternal life. Seek God, repent and God will forgive you.

@@DavidTron63 thank you ❤️ God bless you

A tree is known by its fruit likewise a real Christian produces good fruit. Suppose you have a apple tree and a peach tree both growing, how do I know which is which? The tree that produces peaches is the peach tree and the one that produces apples is the apple tree, likewise a so called Christian who is worldly/sinful is not a real Christian. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire

Wrong. If your doctrine was true, then we are not saved by grace but by our ongoing good works.

That verse refers to Christians who are deceived after being saved, but it makes no reference to them losing their salvation as a result. There are many pastors who teach 'another gospel' such as Kenneth Copeland. However I believe he is still saved, albeit deceived.

@@DavidTron63 so your saying you can pervert the gospel and still be saved? I mean that’s not what the gospel teaches. Cf. Galatians, Revelation Like I said you can’t depart from God if you never had him in the first place. Hebrews also teaches this. Revelation “I will spit you out of my mouth”. The whole well they were never saved in the first place is a cop out. God doesn’t take away our free will. No one can take away your salvation, but you on the other hand can give it up freely. I mean look at Judas. There are plenty of people in the Bible who fell away/departed from the faith. The faith they had in the first place was genuine… it wasn’t a fake faith.

A tree is known by its fruit likewise a real Christian produces good fruit. Suppose you have a apple tree and a peach tree both growing, how do I know which is which? The tree that produces peaches is the peach tree and the one that produces apples is the apple tree, likewise a so called Christian who is worldly/sinful is not a real Christian. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire

There is no line to cross. We can still sin but God's mercy knows no bounds and will forgive us of all sin. You were sealed by the Holy Spirit and moved from death unto everlasting life when you first believed. As the video says, move onto maturity.

You mean their faith wasn't strong enough the first time? How could anyone tell then of their own faith?

Satan loves taking scripture out of context and using it against us.

You see.. I hear this a lot from people on the middle ground, They still want to cling to some form of Loss of salvation doctrine. This incorrectly assumes humans have a choice to undo any of Gods work in the first place (we aren't that powerful, our salvation is of his will not ours) But lets look at the only bible verse you need to confirm this People who dropped the faith - "They went from us but they were NOT truly of us for IF they had been TRULY of us, They WOULD have NO DOUBT remained" -- This verse says there isn't any doubt that a saved believer of the the faith would no doubt remain, Also Gods seed remains in us, If we can drop Jesus, A new process has to occur, You now would need to be Un-Born again, This would be like cutting a vital organ and staying alive, You are a new creation, You would now need to be Un-made and demoted back to your old creation. The problem is these are not metaphorical, We actually are transformed into new creations, the old has already PASSED away, It died, The holy spirit would now need to leave the believer and the part of us seated with christ would need to be brought down low again, - The bible says the holy spirit is sealed until the day of redemption. --- The bible doesn't support us having a choice in the matter, Instead we learn that there are false believers who can fall away from the faith - the great falling away is the group that will say lord lord on judgement day, It is the group that has one foot in and one foot out, It is the 2 Seeds that yield thorns, and that fall by the way side, --- Scripture explains scripture, Than we have God saying "For HE who began this GOOD WORK in you WILL COMPLETE IT TILL THE END" --- You are saying God will not complete his good work. God says he predestined us before the world was made- and those he predestined he justified - sanctified - and will one day glorify -- These steps all would need to be undone. -- God also says salvation Belongs to him and it is him who calls and draws - Gods work of salvation is full, Humans are not sovereign over their salvation - God keeps those who have answered, that choice is made and sealed. God already mentions we don't have a free SIN ticket, God literally has an insurance plan against that, The holy spirit is called our "Downpayment" The holy spirit prevents the christian from loving sin, and it is the spirit that will curve our direction when we stray, He will make a sinful life miserable, uncomfortable, and fill us with sorrow and repenteence. The word used is "downpayment guaranteeing our inheritence" -- Exodus and the blotting out has nothing to do with the new covenant and the better way in jesus and the book of life, Notice there is never one incident in the bible where God says he will take the holy spirit from us, cancel our salvation out, etc. Nothing can contradict "grace through faith not of yourself"' Any contradiction to that is simple, It's a wrong interpretation. How lucky are we that he even addressed people who LEAVE the faith - "They went from us" -- we have to stop this looking for a reason to lose salvation, it corrupts the picture of how powerful and full the cross is, and how WEAK we are to resist God.

Can we be 'UN-BORN? John 15:16 You have not chosen ME, but I have chosen YOU! I'd like to think that the Omnipotent God, who spoke the world and a trillion stars into existence, is powerful enough to guard and keep my soul when seeds of doubt fog up my mind from time to time. Quote: THE MAKER OF THE STARS WOULD RATHER DIE THAN LIVE WITHOUT YOU.

​@@elmerfudd1883 And yet in that desire, He will not force you to spend eternity with Him against your will. Even if you're born again! Let me put it this way - you find salvation and live for years as a great example to Christianity. Then you have such doubts in your faith that you begin a journey that leads to you becoming a genuine atheist. Now do you really think that, should you take that atheistic belief to the grave that your having found salvation years prior would still save you and get you into heaven? If so, then I seriously encourage you to look at that passage in the book of Exodus and really study it. Don't simply read it, but dig into it - look up the original language and what it means, look up other scriptural references, etc.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you, and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and I will give you a heart of flesh. 27) And I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgements and do them.

Yes saved forever

Amen.

We are sitting in heavenly places with Christ the moment we’re saved we’re sealed. You can’t get sealed unsealed kicked out of heavenly places seated with Christ, written unwiteen written unwritten. No you never earned it in the first place you can’t lose what you didn’t earn. You can lose rewards that’s it

@@rosegraham7045 Hi Rose, here's what God's word says. :) We'll never be perfect but we're also not to make a habit of practicing sin in our life. I would not play games with your salvation and God. It's very important we truly follow God's word and live as righteously as possible, God Bless! :) (Ezekiel 18:21-28) New Living Translation 21 But if wicked people turn away from all their sins and begin to obey my decrees and do what is just and right, they will surely live and not die. 22 All their past sins will be forgotten, and they will live because of the righteous things they have done. 23 “Do you think that I like to see wicked people die? says the Sovereign Lord. Of course not! I want them to turn from their wicked ways and live. 24 However, if righteous people turn from their righteous behavior and start doing sinful things and act like other sinners, should they be allowed to live? No, of course not! All their righteous acts will be forgotten, and they will die for their sins. 25 “Yet you say, ‘The Lord isn’t doing what’s right!’ Listen to me, O people of Israel. Am I the one not doing what’s right, or is it you? 26 When righteous people turn from their righteous behavior and start doing sinful things, they will die for it. Yes, they will die because of their sinful deeds. 27 And if wicked people turn from their wickedness, obey the law, and do what is just and right, they will save their lives. 28 They will live because they thought it over and decided to turn from their sins. Such people will not die.

@@Machman31 I think that he was clear on that though, he said it’s not a licence to sin but you cannot lose your salvation once you gave your life to Jesus, your sealed by the Holy spirit. I think God is greater than our unbelief. Grace is greater than all our sin. That’s an old hymn. God bless.

@@rosegraham7045 What does God's word say above? We have to stick with what God's word says :). Now I'm not saying it's like well you messed up here and there so someone has lost their salvation... This is all for Jesus/God to decide ultimately as there's no fooling God as He knows our every thought/motive/emotion.... He knows our heart. if someone chooses to willfully live a sinful habitual lifestyle and turn their back on Jesus/God and His word/teaching then based on God's word they're not one of his children.... There's so many lukewarm and we know that God's word says He'll spit them out of his mouth... (1 John 3:5-10) New Living Translation 5 And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him. 6 Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is. 7 Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. 8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. 10 So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God.

@@rosegraham7045 (Revelation 3:15-19) New Living Translation 15 “I know all the things you do, that you are neither hot nor cold. I wish that you were one or the other! 16 But since you are like lukewarm water, neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth! 17 You say, ‘I am rich. I have everything I want. I don’t need a thing!’ And you don’t realize that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked. 18 So I advise you to buy gold from me-gold that has been purified by fire. Then you will be rich. Also buy white garments from me so you will not be shamed by your nakedness, and ointment for your eyes so you will be able to see. 19 I correct and discipline everyone I love. So be diligent and turn from your indifference.

He was referring to apostate churches not individuals.

Before the coming of Christ, Israel was the elect of God. That's how they thought of themselves. Now Jesus comes and they begin to see that he is the messiah, but he doesn't fit their preconceived ideas. So now, they begin to doubt Jesus and want to return to Judaism. If they do, it's like they are re-crucifying Christ. This is a unique situation, in that the promises of God to Israel are being transferred to the church and some Jews are struggling with that.

The Old Covenant was still available to Jews who chose to obey its conditions. Ths preacher HAS had the rain fall on him. His brain is soggy and rotten.

The promises of God apply to those who believe and not to those who do not believe or no longer believe. Your John 10 reference specifically refers to those who believe. We cannot ignore all of the other verses in the bible about the need to continue in the faith, persevere, endure, finish the race, not return to the vomit, not let sin mature. And all of this is specified in the bible as refering to salvation.

@@robertemard9452 How can one no longer believe once they have believed? For we died and our life (past, present and future) is hid with Christ in God.

@@DavidTron63 To answer your question: by exercise of free will, by blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, by matured sin which leads to death (James 1:15), by rebellion (1 Cor 5:1-5), by wandering from Christ (James 5:19-20), by renouncing Christianity, by turning to Baal, by not persisting (1 Tim 4:16), by not enduring (2 Tim 2:12), by not continuing in the faith (Colossians 1:23). All of these verses describe for salvation and not just rewards.

I understand exactly how you feel. I sit here, reading the texts, and I'm worried as well. But, the texts also says that God reprimands his children that he loves. So if we are having these feelings, and desperately wanting to do right by our father. Then I have faith that it's due to our father doing what fathers do... repreimanding us, because he loves us. Have faith brother... not in yourself, or your ability to be sinless. But in Jesus' ability to forgive, and strengthen you. Keep seeking, keep knocking, keep asking. I pray for you, and all of us, that God shows us his way, and fills us with his peace. We all need it. We will all rejoice one day together in heaven. So keep fighting the good fight brother!

@@A_Man_Named_Mark Thank you, I believe that also. I am thankful that he corrected me and didn't let me go deeper into the darkness. I've heard that before too, it hurts but is necessary. Like Job, even though I was going through some stuff like that, I can't blame God, it was my own self that got me in that situation ya know lol. I reckon he knows what it takes to get us back to where he needs/ wants us. It hurts but we just love him so much that after something like that, we don't want to hurt his heart again. I reckon sometimes he knows that's what it takes lol. Saving grace I suppose. Thank you bro, I'm gonna keep fighting and I'll pray for you also. All glory to God.

@@HadToAlt I know this is kinda late but thought I would share this with you James 5:19-20 Brethren, if anyone among you the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. The word used for "wanders" is planethe, which can mean to stray. The root of this word is planao, which means "I lead astray, deceive or cause to wander". I had a look through the scriptures to see the context of other times this word is used, to see if I could glean a better understanding of its usage and meaning. Titus 3:3 For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, , serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. Here in Paul's letter to Titus, he is speaking of how we used to be, before we were saved by the mercy and love of Christ. The word used for "deceived" is planomenoi, which has the root "planao". So it is the same root word as what is described in James 5:19-20. Which means the scriptures teach us that if anyone came to Christ a while ago, but ended up being led astray/deceived/wandered from the truth, a sinner CAN turn from the error of their way, and have their soul saved from death. We still must take our Christian walks seriously, because God will not be mocked. But if you have recently come back to the faith and are struggling a lot, scripture right here tells us there is nothing to fear. There are consequences for sin (e.g. example of King David and Bathsheba), but I hope this reassures you that anyone who comes to Christ will never be turned away (John 6:37-39). So this must mean the warning from Hebrews means something other than "if you fall away from the faith, there is no hope for you". God bless.

@@HadToAlt how ate you doing now?

@@A_Man_Named_Markhow are you doing now?

So you are saying Salvation is not by FAITH only but your deeds additionally?

@ananias- Salvation is not by faith alone and yes, your deeds or works are part of the salvation process.

Salvation is by grace alone, in faith alone ,in Christ alone. Not of works lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9.

@BobbieHarmon-lu1yo By Grace (God's role) are we saved by faith (man's role). All that God did in making salvation possible is a gift that cannot be earned, merited or received as a result of man's works. What God did for man was God and God's alone and man had nothing to do with the planning of it or the implementation of it. Man did not deserve it, could not earn it, and can never repay it. But we are God's workmanship (the result of His labor) Created In Christ Jesus unto good works, works of obedience, works of righteousness, for the purpose of our walking in them, a chosen conviction which results in a lifetime of commitment. Our faith saves when it obeys. The wondrous, unmeritable, unearnable, totally undeserved gift of God's grace becomes available when we become obedient to the faith.

Wrong.

Repenting means to change your mind. Maybe it’s referring to people who were enlightened by the message and thought it could be true but then they turned away from the truth and rejected it before getting saved.

​@@PhantomNitesBut how does someone like that change their mind, thinking some could be true is not enough for true repentance. True faith leads to repentance.. A doubtful dead intellectual faith does not. This is why anyone living in habitual sin after regeneration does not have true faith and continue living in darkness for they have not tasted the truth of the Lord. They can experience repentance because they can still by the work of the Lord experience the truth of their depraved condition for they have not seen it yet, even if they think they have. They are not fallen away although they may believe they have, the fact they desire to know the Lord, to end sin in their lives. Those are works of God and His Spirit...I have lived in unbelief for 3 years after being born again.. And only recently realised I have been living in unbelief.. The whole time I thought I had faith but I did not and Mt life or fruit proved it.. Now I know I did not know the Lord, I did not trust Him and it pains me to realise what I've done to Him. My heart has hardened because of the way I have loved but I am still given grace and understanding.. I still have faith coming from the Lord to me, undeserved, and that is what I need to change my life and produce good fruit. The fact my mind can be changed on my unbelief and habitual sin and understandinf it all is no testimony to me but to His and His unfailing love, commitment in pursuing such stubborn and unbelieving people such as me.

A tree is known by its fruit likewise a real Christian produces good fruit. Suppose you have a apple tree and a peach tree both growing, how do I know which is which? The tree that produces peaches is the peach tree and the one that produces apples is the apple tree, likewise a so called Christian who is worldly/sinful is not a real Christian. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire

Careful, your statement makes it sound like our salvation is based on and retained by good works. That isnt what Jesus taught.

A tree is known by its fruit likewise a real Christian produces good fruit. Suppose you have a apple tree and a peach tree both growing, how do I know which is which? The tree that produces peaches is the peach tree and the one that produces apples is the apple tree, likewise a so called Christian who is worldly/sinful is not a real Christian. Matthew 3:10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire

How many times does God had to save you. Can a sheep turn into a goat? No we’re you a she or a goat before Christ found you…. You were a lost sheep not a lost goat

We are sealed unto the day of Redemption, by the HOLY SPIRIT, when we are Saved. No one, no erroneous theology, no thing, no spirit is stronger than the HOLY SPIRIT, and can not break the LORD'S SEAL. What exactly do you believe saved you and keeps you? JESUS ATONEMENT FOR OUR SINS is what saved you. TETELESTAI. If you don't believe JESUS'S atonement was enough to SAVE you or that we can lose our salvation, it's like saying HIS sacrifice doesn't matter. EPHESIANS 2:8-9. As much as you strive to "keep" salvation through works or whatever else you deem necessary, it's all in vain. JESUS wants you to TRUST in HIM. By your own words, "HE who begins a good work will finish it" EXACTLY. HE SAVED YOU. GOD IS TRUTH, NO LIES. HE says NO ONE can snatch us from HIS hand.

@@thatWitchywoman I agree 100,000,000 percent.. the wages of sin is death but the gift of GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IDK WHAT WE DONT AND CANT SEE

What is the point of all the scripturea warning us about false teachers,false teachings, wanting about sin etc etc.anyways...?!

. . correction - “turns” or “does turn”

You can't lose your Salvation See- the WORD OF GOD.

@@thatWitchywoman 😅👍

We can forsake our relationship but we cant forsake our salvation. We were given eternal life which was sealed by the Holy Spirit when we first believed.

@DavidTron63 salvation and relationship with God is synonymous.

That is not a true statement. Peter repented and ask for forgiveness.

What Christian in their right mind, fully understanding the gift of salvation and their righteous standing with God would wilfully do that?

But wouldn't that mean that man is Sovereign, rather than God?

I agree with you. The WORD says "They went out from us because they were never of us". As Christians who have received and accepted the beautiful gift of Salvation through JESUS CHRIST (not shouting, I capitalize to show respect to GOD) are repentant, we will not ever want to leave HIS fellowship.