This is the most surprising thing so far in Mythic+ Pugging Season 3 

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I have a restodruid buddy who is like this, it's absolutely wild. It's not uncommon to see him beat out other DPS in keys. I love having him in a key. Like you s aid, when there's not much group wide damage going out, he's basically a 4th dps. Happy thanksgiving,!

It’s the heart of the wild talent and I Also think this was when resto druid’s ferocius bite damage was buffed by 100%

Holy Paladin with the new 2 and 4 set can actually do this too on fights where you can commit everything to damage in the opener and don't need to heal such as this one and the dinosaur in AD, though not burst quite that high. I ended the fight at ~100k the last time I did the dinosaur boss for example. Oh that was with an augvoker though, this clip doesn't have one so that's a big difference. The issue with Hpal is you pretty much lose 80% of your damage the second you have to commit resources to healing whereas resto druid can maintain more respectable dps even while healing. That being said R Druid is just superior right now to all other healers IMO for keys and for some reason it's taking people a very long time to figure this out.

Looks like he combines Heart of the wild with the Master shapeshifter talent which increases Cats abilities by 60% + versa bonus in addition some DoTs and Natures vigil could add something to it what did details say in detailed breakdown of his damage?

I'm playing a rdudu and doing this sort of damage is "normal" with heart of the wild, convoke, big ol haste trinket and the most important part - nobody taking damage that warrants leaving cat form. Unlike disc, for example, we don't get to heal and deal damage simultaneously. If we need to heal, rip dps.

That resto druid's build looks sick and if I was subbed I would try it right after I deplete some keys as nocarn lunar beam bear.

Maybe it's some weird interaction with Heart of the Wild and Ferocious Bite. But hey, I will be very happy to see any healer doing this kind of dps in M+ ;)

honestly... if someone asked me "what are you doing to get that damage" and as a Druid Main, if its just Cat stuff, then yes.... "Meow" would be my natural response too. no exploits. but i think this has something to do with the free Heart of the Wild buff. literally get full dps benefits any time its up. but clearly they went master shapeshifter. full damage convoke, insect swarm, the build isnt concerned with healing, its going full damage priority. with the master shapeshifter. 60% on top of a heart of the wild/ convoke is going to be stronger than the same spec dps in the moment. 🤔 if anything was working unintentionally i would place sus on insect swarm and another ability interaction, a heal mod could be getting applied to the damage portion directly or indirectly but thats just speculation from looking over the talent choices.

For kick as Rdruid, some think you have to give up too much in the talent tree for kick. Vickman for example, who is on of the best m+ Healer and pugs a lot almost never plays it and doesnt recommend it. My personal opinion is that it is nice on fortified weeks in pugs on tyrcannical maybe not so neccesary

I main resto and go feral build mostly. I always take the kick, but not always capable of using depending on the situation. I love having it though and using where possible to help out. I will say I've seen a guy recently doing dps like this and it was crazy. I can't pull those numbers normally, but maybe just due to the groups I've been in and how much I'm having to heal sometimes. I think it could be some interesting macros mixed into his rotation. That's my guess, but who knows. I pull like 60k sometimes if I can take a break from heals from time to time

Dude was "healing" with Treants which can be used while in cat form. The odd thing for me was actually his talents, he went half boomy range, half cat melee and didn't bother to grab the SB interrupt.

I haven't really played a healer since cata and I loved playing disc priest when all I have to do is dps but trying to play a healer again in the last few years I can't stand feeling like I need to rotate dps spells in with every free global if I want to be playing it correctly. Maybe if they gave you a long cooldown for some meaningful burst dps and outside of that it is so small that it isn't worth it I'd maybe enjoy that or go back to cata style where dps = hps.

did you watch some MDI? The best resto druids pulling similar numbers around 5min CDs. Also looks better by comparison because the dps in that key actually are doing pretty poor single-target damage.

This is pretty standard if you have resto kitty weaving. It's fine if they are bad in AoE damage like they are imo. Maybe 1/4th of resto druids even kitty weave at all

Our resto druid did around 165k the other day during our heroic clear. I don't mean peaked at 165k, I mean he endes the fight at 165k. I had a similar reaction. I said in disc, are you playing resto and doing 165k? How?

I'll try it now. I can cat weave and interrupt, I'm not against it, I just don't because it usually doesn't feel possible in pugs. There is ALWAYS someone getting chunked nonstop. But I might try it while I'm farming for Drake crests. You don't get jack for crests this season.

My restro druid does like 100k-110k burst at GS 436 and a friend managed to do the 123k at GS 460 with cat only. Having like 70k sustained damage. Weave some owl in, use DMG trinkets and 200k burst is not that far fetched. Tbh. I dont get how healers can stand around when there's no healing required... Even if its just pressing one button... Do some damage! My highlight was the holy paladin that preferred to jump around the fighting group instead of adding any damage...

I play resto druid and it has been my main since I started playing WoW. In 10.1, it was not uncommon for me to parse 90+ in both dps and hps in 20+ keys and still have my overall damage be largely irrelevant - think somewhere between 25-35k dps overall last season. Catweaving efficiently is something that naturally produces a very, very large skill gap between players. In 10.1, I could be absolutely "pumping," but without checking logs you would never notice since the damage was so much lower. It could be a pretty frustrating experience when you can perform at an extremely high level, but never begin to touch even a 4% parsing dps or even a tank. This season has been an absolute blast, I'm steadily on the way to 3k rating and I am able to carry my friends (in lower level keys) and really make a measurable difference on both bosses and trash. This season, if a tank does not do a lot of damage throughout the key, I am absolutely going to be close to them in their overall dps throughout the key and almost certainly do more damage than the tank in boss fights. Catweaving well plays like a slightly scuffed feral druid and at its peak is maintaining sunfire, moonfire, rake, rip and thrash and spending your combo points on bites while other dots are still rolling, also optimally using HOTW on your convoke and meeting any healing check that a boss might require. It is quite difficult compared to the optimal dps rotation of other healers and even compared to some dps classes. I think a player should be rewarded for performing well. If they do want to tune down the dps of restoration druid, I really hope they take a look at HOTW and Convoke instead of the baseline resto druid rotation. Both convoke and HOTW are "toxic" cooldowns because they provide so much power to the spec so that when the actual baseline damage of a class is buffed, scaling goes crazy. I am not sure how to balance convoke for a healer when you can proc multiple 5 combo point bites for free. I think that convoke for resto should be a healing CD to combat the dps RNG. Adding in HOTW continues to completely scale convoke to new heights (there is no skill play here outside of being in cat form and being in melee range and pressing HOTW before convoking, which is completely different to the skill required to do good damage outside of these windows). In my opinion, other healers dps should be buffed as well to close the gap, but also demand an increased complexity to reward for players that can manage to perform at a high level, while also having the skill to meet difficult healing checks to me is a good middle ground. Removing some of the "toxic" healer dps cooldowns resto has would be a really good way to remove some of the crazy scaling that happens when combining multiple cooldowns on bosses. I love healing in WoW and to me there is no better feeling than having the power to help other players complete difficult content. It has also been nice to have other people notice my own ability to perform well in dungeons. I really enjoy your videos, hope you have a great holiday season!

You don't need an interrupt when you have "Meow". >@_@

Restro druid here, DPS this season is crazy for us. I'm doing 2-3 times the dps I was doing last season and i'm not even trying. Also I always try to have a kick.

Resto Druid is now the Left Arm of Exodia until nerfed. Now we wait for the rest of the pieces to reveal themselves.

i feel like its a % dmg buff or something thet m+ when you active it does not removes i think..so an exploit or something for sure..

I did a few boss fights last week where I managed to do between 80k and 95k dps and that was without Heart of the Wild, so I guess it's possible that HotW is why he is dealing so much damage. I find it more enjoyable being able to deal more damage but I feel like the DPS is too strong on resto while the other healers are too weak at dps. I also specced into interrupt this season and it has been really useful at preventing potential wipes.

I was doing M+ Fall. Not sure the lvl.. maybe 15-18.. and final boss of that fight the druid healer did 102k dps.. while also healing.. but since that fight only requires moments of healing, and giving the druid opportunities to do dps.. he did just that... and a LOT.. Was very helpful.

I actually just did a 19everbloom with one of liquids resto druids and he did 143mil damage by the end and only like 40 mil healing. He smoked our dps on every boss and we just all confused.

They were just buffed by a LOT. I take it you didn't read any of the resto druid related patch notes but those buffs combined with modifiers druids have give them a ton of damage potential in catform now. I had a 420 resto druid in a low key pulling 60k+ single target and end dungeon 45k overall. I can only imagine what a geared resto druid can pump out right now.

You know whats not surprising. People not knowing the damn boss fights, if only we previously had these dungeons in other xpacs ppl would know the T-Rex eats you.

had a resto druid with the same build do some nice damage last week, it was the first day though so his gear wasn't great but about 60k dps overall. i can't remember how much he did on bosses though, i was just impressed at the overall as i'm used to 10-20k from druids

Buffed the damage of Ferocious Bite by 200%, Rip by 160% recently. That, combined with 60% master shapeshifter = good damage. Then, the reason for the burst was probably just a lucky convoke (lots of Ferocious bites). Can do that kind of damage every 5 min when HoTW is up, without that it's quite a lot lower. While I think it's gonna be nerfed, I do actually find that healers that SACRIFICES healing to do damage, should do more damage if they do than say, disc priests or holy paladins. I also assume he's outgearing the dps. 5-10 ilvl difference is huge.

this isn't a bug, hes not doing anything special and nothing special to do with gear. this is just hotw + the buffs to feral and primal fury

Cat damage for resto was bonkers and it just got nerfed.

I wonder if there is a bug that works so he gets full stats as if he is dps spec similar to monk that has the same abilities in WW mode and MW mode, but it does way more dmg in WW mode? Also, I wonder if its a haste scaling issue which makes tics proc off more similar to MW in BFA when we had high haste it was posssible to extend your enveloping mist tics up to about 90s without doing anything once you ramped it up!?

You should see geared vdh. Had one from instant dollars in my run and that guy was doing more than one of our DPS lol and we were slamming

Isn't that resto druid's ilevel like 476? And they've done 2/9 mythic Amirdrassil. I'd say they are a very competent player with good gear. There might be some class specific stat or talent anomaly assisting to hit those numbers, but that's too technical for me to get my head around.

Its just hotw 5min cd with convoke it is pretty easy to do 100k+ on ST if there is minimal healing.. Been playing resto druid myself, its not a bug or anything

That meow was so cute. I'll play resto.

as a mistweaver/disc priest....1 sec i need to reroll

Well its really sad that priests dont have a kick.. when i play resto shaman im a freaking cc machine most kicks and cc done in pug groups. Guess have to get back to resto druid and ofc take the kick and catweave

the boss that he did so much damage to did almost no damage to the group so he was able to deal damage in cat form for the entire duration of the boss. Furthermore, the buffs that the druid received for his cat form were absurd, something like 200%! more damage in single target skills. In addition to 200% more damage in cat form, they also have 50% more energy, so they can deal a lot more damage now. So adding massive damage buff + boss fight that doesn't need a healer = healer with more damage than dps.

I may or may not have checked out the druid's armory and I have a suspicion that there might be something about the recent buffs to catform and the fact the druid has 22% vers, might be bleed stacking + high vers and haste but I might be wrong

He says use defensives please right at the end of the clip, so I am thinking he isn't really healing and is just cat form the whole time...he is the bottom of the heal list in hps

Think that's just how the dps is atm. If he is fully focused on dps stats and pots ect. I watch JDOTB run 25DHT and avg 90k dps. So if he wasn't healing as much it would have been even higher. But yea nerfs coming lol I do wish healers could contribute a little more to dps in general

Legit I have been talking about this but they want to stay under the radar they hurt disc priest utility to much. Even when they had some damage insta-nerfed it.

It's probably some bug with Ferocious Bite hitting twice or something

Druids that know what they are doing are in fact pulling silly dps numbers for healers right now. That being said, the DPS in that key just weren't good, rookie numbers.

I am doing 120k+ consistently damage on druid. I have screenshots. I do want you to please dont bring a lot of attention to this. They let ashen hallow go i will lose my mind if the nerf this. If you want know its Heart and weaving. Spinning plates of dots and ferocious bit.

The problem with healers doing as much dps as a dps is: why would you bring a dps class except for some niche utility? Same logic applies to tanks.

i did 20 this season with resto he was 60k Overall i was suprised For moment but grup were pumpers so i assumed he knows :D Btw it probably has to do somthing with Heart of wild When Poped he has 20%+ dmg and 1 combo evry 2s for 45s

Catweaving is a thing again… i may have to give this a try

When I played resto in bfa I regularly out dpsed pug dpsers.

I cant get over that dps XD

Makes me miss Ashen Hallow pally haha

I mean if no jealing is tequired, why shouldnt a healer clap everyone

It could be bugged. Happened to a resto druid doing random BGs before our raid last tier, something with the stat scaling bugged out and she came to raid with double the amount of ALL primary stats. agi, stamina, int were all doubled and it persisted through changing specs, a couple keys, arena, and our whole raid night, up until she logged out for an extended peroid of time

Blizz keeps shitting on owlweavers and prefers to overbuff kitties since Shadowlands.

As people mentioned it's the catform and motw, it's insane and I actually wanted to tank so I built up more vers + the haste I had from previous gear. I only pug so that's what I know more. Metro I got your point on druids taking the janky interrupt and I do agree with you but if the healer does not feel confident enough they'd go for the safer option. The thing is healing philosophy has changed so many times like do you want us to heal more or dps more? what do we wanna sacrifice, does the group look good in terms of kicks and people knowing how defensives work? or is it like other yolo groups who never dodge anything and you have to babysit them all the time? what about mana issues? does the random pug group actually look at your mana bar and wait? etc. etc. these stuff have not been the same and tend to change from time to time so it makes sense from pov of people who tend to not take the janky kick. These questions are random and you don't know what will happen in a pug, so the best bet is to take the safest option for your own sake. Especially how the environment can be hostile and toxic if you mess up or don't know specific stuff.

He also will be specced 100% for damage.

i dont think that guy did something special...i just tested it on my boosted 424 druid. heart of the wild + convoke is crazy burst ( 110k) and it sustaines 60k...so with more gear that prob around 80 90 k?

Yes, resto damage is broken rn

I don't agree with the idea that the healer should be responsible for dps too. If I queue as healer, I want to be the healer, if I wanted to DPS, I would queue as DPS. Healer players should not be punished for not wanting to dps. If doing DPS as a healer is required to get into high keys, I guess healer is a dead role for me, I'll just play dps or tank and save myself the headache.

It’s me

Totally balanced design Blizz. Great job as usual..

i have been in groups like this its normal to me now. Other content creators have brought this up. Madskillz mentioned this in a video

I don't know. It's so odd. If it's intended and not a bug/exploit then, as a DPS, I am almost insulted that a healer would be able to out damage 3 DPS players. Especially since, as you say, those DPS are not actually doing "bad damage". Look I am 100% behind you when it comes to more healers finding more ways to contribute to damage when healing is not necessary, but this is ludicrous (not the rapper lol). I always attributed healers not doing much damage to wanting to preserve mana (I literally have no idea about mana pools right now I just know I see a lot of times where we stop so the healer can drink so far this season, but maybe that's strictly anecdotal or a gear thing at the level I am running) so maybe swapping to cat form and using energy instead does that? I don't know. Maybe there is a talent in the trees that allows for "feral affinity" to buff his cat abilities and the dude is just super good at feral, I do not know. But again as much as I would like healers to do more damage, as the more damage that goes out the easier the key becomes for everyone, I am not certain I want healers to be able to compete with actual DPS specs on the meter. (I always thought healers should be right there with tanks, damage wise at least, since their designated role like a tank is not about their DPS output but this is just absurd, numerically.) It's weird because normally I get the other end of the spectrum with healers, especially resto druids, doing 5 digit damage which I never really cared abotu because they gave me that nice 3% vers buff and I am a WW so that's a direct buff to my best stat, but if they could be doing even HALF or a third of what this healer does, I would expect to see resto druids invited to every single key I am in. Crazy. Just Crazy.

Interesting. Maybe he has some sort of exploit to trigger Feral Tierset on Resto 🤔 Edit: checking his armory rn and he doesn't even have tierset, but maybe it's Pip's trinket + vers stacking? Looks like an exploit tho

It’s just a really good healer and really bad DPS. Those dps numbers are unacceptable for that key level…. I understand it’s a new season but I play with a few resto druids and this isn’t uncommon. I have this key timed on a 24 and I will end that boss fight above 200k I also play with assa rogue who does about 60k more than rogue here and the enhance is doing actual normal tank damage. This is just feral plus convoke thats it……

I play MW and never been close to ~100k this season Nerf RDruids :P