Thor: Love and Thunder - SPOILER Talk! 

exactly

Well they are marvel films your forgetting marvel is inherently for all audiences these arent r rated properties even carnage it was never a violent or gorey comic i dont understand where this has came from

I agree with you id have preferred to see that but this is marvel not god of war for example

That's the problem with this movie. They didn't developed his character enough that his threat in the story felt.. meh..

Yes I was like a 5 minute scene of a montage would have been perfect made him more threatening.

This 100%. In the cage, I was really hoping Gor would be kind to the children while thinking of his daughter. When he ripped the head off of the shadow monster he created, I was hoping it was his attempt at trying to be “funny” in an EXTREMELY out-of-touch (I-hope-they-find-this-funny) type of way. But after the scene ended, I sadly had succumb to the fact that this was his way to torment them…for no reason??

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I think since the kids are Asgardian children he views them as gods? The whole what makes a god in the MCU issue makes it hard to follow who Gorr should be killing

@@matthewblackwelder6487 that's how I thought of it at first too, but he recognized valkerye as a non god, and for some reason I have a memory suggesting he acknowledged the kids as mortals. But either way, he still lacks the mortal empathy aspect

Yeah this. Would've given SO much more depth to Gor.

My Favorite was after Zeus 'died' and Thor was telling the children "Do not meet your heroes/idols" and the kids all gave him a scared look. (And any time the screaming goats were...screaming)

you see but the problem is its just a joke for the sake of a joke. when tony joked there was something behind it. If there is zero effort or context to the joke it becomes painful.

@@richlasma god you're so miserable

The movie blows let's not even argue smh... Welp.. Onto something real like Black Panther 2. See you guys in the big leagues 🤷🏽‍♂️

Bale was great he should’ve been used more

What humor? I sat through the film waiting for a laugh!!!!

You’re absolutely right XD

🤣 so true

There’s this real life ad featuring Valkyrie to promote the movie and I can’t remember for what brand, but that seriously gave me Vought vibes

even boys looks more serious than this and the boys is a parody ,lol.

Can’t wait for the finale…

Honestly, I think why I consider Guardians Vol 2 and the Ant-Man films to have the right balance while considering Thor: Ragnarok to be too jokey is because of scale, stakes, and expectations. The Ant-Man films have never had end-of-the-world stakes but instead more personal stakes that affect only a select few people close to the characters. The scale of the stakes in comparison to the humor in the Ant-Man films felt appropiate. Meanwhile with Guardians Vol 2, while the scale is certainly much bigger, it's crux lied in the very grounded, human-like emotional journey of Peter Quill/Star-Lord. It helps that the GotG films never really took themselves that seriously. Now contrast that with the latest 2 Thor films, where the scale and expectations are much bigger. The main characters in the Thor films aren't humans or humanoid aliens but gods or at least advanced aliens mistaken for gods. When your antagonists are Hela the Goddess of Death and Gorr the Butcher of Gods, there's a rather high expectation of scale and expectations. The expectations set by Hela and Gorr being such menacing cataclysmic foes that cleave through and threaten the people and civilization of Asgard comes with it a certain expectation of gravitas and seriousness. A civilization-ending threat necessitates some gravitas. If instead the set expectation was more like Hela or Gorr had killed a group of Asgardian children or a personal friend of Thor's like one of the Warriors Three, and Thor had set out on a quest for revenge, then the constant humor and joking wouldn't clash with the tone nearly as much because the scale and expectations are set more appropiately. There would still be stakes and dramatic moments but the scale and set expectations of the main antagonists and how much of a threat they menace to be is scaled appropriately to the tone and humor. It's not like the MCU haven't been able to balance humor with drama, especially when it comes to Thor. If the humor and jokes were used as a defense/coping mechanism to help with fear and trauma, like we see with Thor in _Infinity War_ and _Endgame_ , then it'd be understandable and appropriate in a sense. But when the jokes are made just because and it goes from laughing with Thor making jokes to laughing at Thor as the joke, that's when the clashing of tones is really apparent. Do you get what I mean by this?

@@ajiththomas2465 ant man and gotg weren't pillars of mcu like thor... Or other Avengers.... Ragnarok had flaws but it was still good movie because it was like a breath of fresh air but after infinity war and endgame Thor's character reached very high level ... Like a main pillar of mcu,,, and personality/ character can't be joker ....when he has villian like god who is literally butcher of god and has very good motive behind killing gods you just can't make a parody of this such emotional and serious storyline.... People wants to see serious movie with serious and emotional storyline.... Gorr lost everything just like thor ... Thor took revenge against guy who took everything from him ... Be it thanos, malekith, loki so gorr wants to do same he things gods are responsible for his condition... Dialogue exchange between them could've been really good .... You could just change a tone of movie and storyline like jane is not close to Thor's level but she is practising hard ... No love angle just weird friendship... Really good screen time for gorr like thanos had in infinity war .... (Movie should be 2hrs 40 mins ... So lot of time to show gorr his emotional story then butchering of gods ... Some good fights against other gods ... And he'll brutally kill jane too because she is god too (still pg)

THOR RAGNERCOCK

Figures, the guy is a jokester and went hogwild.

I think taika just has an ego now, every time he cameos in a movie or something I’ve been finding him really annoying for some reason.

Agreed

Well he is the strongest avengers. You would be crazy to think anyone is a threat to him

Right, it gets kinda boring knowing somehow the hero is going to end up winning the battle, and this why I loved Avengers: Endgame. Because in reality the goods guy/people don’t always win sometimes; evil prevails.

@@derricka4208 Endgame had 10-11 years of build-up. So naturally the stakes would be at their absolute highest. But Infinity War is my absolute favorite because of its ending. To this day I believe Thanos should’ve won. And we should’ve started the next phase from there

@@samouser1011 I actually preferred infinity war over endgame. Infinity wars story and arcs seemed more streamlined and had a better balance of comedy and serious moments.

You're definitely the only one!

She reminded me of Bella too, and it's not a compliment 😂

You definitely aren't the only one!

I had the same thought!!

that's not even a problem, why does it have to be some big build up like before? the problem is and was the lack of creative freedom, that's why the whole phase 4 felt messy and all over

@@paveantelic7876 I don't think you understand the context of that statement. What good is all the creative freedom if you dont have a clear, concise, direction?

@Leo Peo that's so far removed from the actual mcu problems and is a childish take imo (I apoligize I just cannot take being upset over wokeness seriously), I'm more bothered by the directionless of phase 4, it's not going anywhere at the moment, maybe fantastic 4 is finally going to show us something to get us excited(Doctor doom or galactus even) about but I don't know what the hell the plan is at this point I would also say the idea of the tv shows is ruining the mcu more, I should not have to watch wandavision to understand wanda's current state of being in doctor strange

Denial phase

@@paveantelic7876 I dont think you've seen Loki and Phase 4 is like shitty version of DCEU

This is actually what I thought was going to happen. I didn’t think they were going to have to convince him, definitely would’ve been way more impactful had he made the decision in the first place

I would actually believe that happening more than what did happen.

I can believe that being the original ending. An I Am Legend scenario all over again.

Would've been so much better.

Its eternity not infinity

YES. I get why most people prefer the post-taika thor but there’s no need to tear down the original movies and early character arcs. As someone who loves the classic thor movies it feels so unnecessarily disrespectful.

Because Taika is a hack. He's very self aware that Thor lost a lot of loved ones with the intro narration yet he deliberately still chooses to make Thor a goofball instead of making him more wiser and fundamental.

because they were boring ass characters

It's a well done Thor TV episode

Jack sparrow rocks

don't disrespect Jack Sparrow like that 😂

There should be a Captain in there somewhere.

on a second thought, Jack Sparrow will be a great addition to Guardian of The Galaxy space members 😂

THIS. That whole SIF scene when he finds her midway through the movie was literally a SNL skit. I accidentally said "What the fuck is this movie" somewhat out loud and the guy next to me said "I was just thinking that.."

Well stated

@@KrowLithium couldn’t have said it better myself. The Sif scene was horrible

I’m with you on that one

@@KrowLithium so you're that one obnoxious person in the theater who thinks you're above everyone. yikes.

The same Asgardian rune that was shown when Odin enchanted it in the first movie, is the same one that appears here. It’s implied she can only lift it because Thor unknowingly enchanted it specifically to help her.

@@greenman394 it’s implied that it will protect her. Thor tells the hammer to look out for her. When she’s at her weakest the hammer calls her, knowing she’s worthy and thinking it will help. The enchantment allowing someone worthy to lift it has been there since Odin put it there. The movie goes out of its way to show you she’s worthy to lift it, so much so that thor outright says the words. The hammer chooses, not him.

Never saw any of that in the 60's & 70's comic books...so I have no idea about any of that

@@Robshere27 Why comment then?

Except in the comics she could have cured herself in asgard but she wanted to "fight it like a human"

I'm really surprise they didn't go that route, specially with how MCU has been taking everything lightly for comedic effect. Thor and Starlord would work as a comedic duo delivering flat line jokes without being self aware just like in Infinity War.

And "King" black Valkyrie cringe. But I gave the movie an 8 tho

@@KiiroKiiroTorini it would’ve made more sense to do that… keep the mighty Thor! Jane/gorr elements and make that it’s own movie

@@KiiroKiiroTorini Thor and the Guardians had so much in common too. They're both losers at core. People who have lost stuff. Quill lost his mom to tumor, Thor is losing Jane to cancer. Since Ragnarok, Thor has a style that's a throwback to 80s B grade space operas while the Guardians is 70s B grade space operas. Both now into classic soundtrack, Thor just leans rock. But for some reason, they returned to Jane instead.

I don't think the story is the problem. The way it's made the way the tone & theme is that's the problem. Jane Thor and everything else works if done good.

I feel like Waititi was the wrong choice for this movie

@@miketrapper0464 He did one thing right. Gorr, he's the best thing about this movie but it's too bad he wasn't even in the movie that long. This movie needed some stakes and seriousness at times because you're kinda just sittin' there like what the fuck is happening

@@thejaded agreed

That's kind of like how 300 is told from the perspective of the spartan narrator trying to fire up the troops and therefore heavily colored by the biases and superstitions of said narrator.

The contrast between the whole jokey tone of the movie and Gorr, just didn't work for me. Felt like two different movies. Big disappointment. My most hyped movie of the year. Keep them expectations low I guess. 😩

Yes Phase 4 sucks because Endgame felt like a definitive end to the MCU

.....and of course it (phase 4) will be dragged out for several more years (and films) while we wait for the latest and greatest cosmic threat, and of course THAT will be screwed up as well. Here's an idea marvel how about EVERY movie have a BIG reveal and follow a major storyline related to that particular character instead of the lazy and misguided storylines being regurgitated by marvel......

Who cares? What's wrong with episodic adventures? Why does every movie need to perpetuate an over-arcing grand scheme of things? Don't get me wrong, phase 4 is complete shite. But I wouldn't cite its so called "lack of direction" as the problem.

@@scottk1525 I agree except for the notion that Phase 4 is crap.

@@thealjohnsonshow2188 It is though. What in phase four would you describe as good? No Way Home was solid Not great. But solid. I think that's about the best we've seen in Phase 4.

All his monsters died in one fuckin hit and barely did anything. There was absolutely no sense of threat or stakes! And then like halfway through the movie they're like "We've lost half our soldiers!" Uhhh... Okay? Am I actually supposed to believe that lmao And the whole thing with the kids was just stupid. What kind of Dora the Explorer shit WAS that? If he needed to lure Thor to him, then they should have had him separate Jane from Mjolnir and capture her instead, then he would have at least looked a little threatening and they could have done more with the cancer thing at the same time. Edit: AAANND with a dying Jane in his company, it could have been a nice parallel with his daughter and allowed for some compelling developmental flashbacks on that. It would have kept his motivation consistent, instead of just having him be like "Well, I guess I'm evil now. Oh wait, just kidding, I'm good again!"

Bale stole every scene, and the opening scene of the movie was good, but the character was just flat. No development, barely any screentime.

Gorr was a great villain in the comics. The movie made him feel like nothing. It wasn't Christian Bale's fault at all. What are you talking about?!

@@CabezasDePescado In my opinion, Gorr was at his best in the opening scene and his last scene. Although he wasn't as silly as the rest of the film, he felt a little bit silly. I think that Christian Bale has better performances.

@@lucasmanuelpereiranavas7027 I agree. I thought he was silly in some scenes but I am not sure if that was Bale's interpretation or poor writing. (Example: with the kids where he's talking about having once had a daughter too, he seemed very hokey and "evil")

Really contrived for a movie with this budget

Show me where in the movie it says that Zeus's lighting bolt can grant powers?

@@antona.8659 No, It can imbue others with power. The wish is granted to the first one who enters the portal.

First person ever? Does it work again? What if you leave and re-enter, do you get another wish? lol

@@stankix1701 I understood it as first person ever. Meaning nobody has entered it before and nobody will again.

@@swimfreakcmb That sounds so contrived

... also, Zeus's lighting bolt has the power to empower others , unlike Mjolnir and StormBreaker.

@@emekabronson8697 yeah exactly

I liked Thor 1 the best of all the Thor movies. He learns what it means to actually be a hero and a King. I just wish the rest of the Thor series didn't spend all it's time dismantling who Thor was meant to be and undermining his character growth.

Marvel has a tendency to shit on the original directors who did the heavy lifting to get the MCU going -- Jon Favreau, Joe Johnston, Kenneth Branagh. You'd think they would've gotten another shot as reward but nope, nothing for you here, move along...

It's opinions like this which would have kept the eboys together if you were in it

I think Taika was a victim of his own success. And I accepted a while ago that Thor was gonna be less Shakespearean

Taika never came across to me as some guy who'd just do laughs for the sake of laughs. None of his movies are, until this one. Hell, Ragnarok may have been a soft reboot, they may have did it a comedy to distance itself from the 1st two movies, but it wasn't just all for laughs. Thor made a facade in that movie. The humour was used to cope and hide his pain. In here, he's just goofy for goofy sake!

And that’s why I liked it lol. I am entertained by his style of humour.

Well said

Thor one is underrated where that Shakspearean humour was shown best and the story was much more grounded.

Agree, I hate this Thor it’s so cringey.

@@natasha8966 Yeah Thor was always hilarious because he was learning new human customs and Hemsworth did it so well without making it corny. Taika's Thor isn't that elegant royal the first two Thor movies had him be

Not to mention that his fight against the frost giants in Thor 1 is still the greatest display of Thor's powers in 11 years.

Both Thor and Loki's characters are ruined by this director. I won't pay any penny to watch any film directed by him after Rangrok.

This thread is OUTSTANDING!! I love EVERY ONE of these "takes"!! 👍👍❤️❤️

Me too

But... But... But, are you going to see it anyways?

Same

Well u cared enough to reply

@@adityasuresh8106 I cared about the person, not the movie.

Lmao maybe his dad transitioned.

@@MamadNobari Maybe

In the comics, I believe Korg’s species are all male. I’m assuming maybe Korg lied about having a mom to get support for his revolution?

Or he just considered one of the dads like a mom and that guy was like the motherly figure

@@thorodinson1933 If the concept of a mother does not exist in his world... why would you need a mother figure?..🤔

Thats a serious complaint about the movie?

@@wilsonruleman Yes

Wilson Ruleman - Yes.. I’ve see what chemotherapy does and you don’t have salon quality hair and good makeup after what it puts you through.

She had only barely started chemo at the beginning but then starts using minjoir and not doing her treatments. Then it starts to accelerate her cancer. She wouldn’t have lost her hair after a few injections. It takes like 3 weeks or so for someone hair to fully fall out

@@ediotsaurus5913 the pills and other medication they put you through would've had her looking much worse - MCU stans really go the extra mile to defend bad writing

It's the most boring one, IMO

It was funny for me. A lot of aus nz comedy.

@@bigtomDW and that's fine, but were the serious emotional moments less for it? Because that balance of tone is difficult to achieve and if the joke doesn't land (humor being subjective) it undercuts the emotion.

@@thekidfromcanada nope, imo the second half of the movie was completely serious

@@thekidfromcanada I'm genuinely not getting where this complaint is coming from. Every scene with Gorr was dead serious, they handled Jane's cancer seriously, and the bond between her and Thor was great. The comedy doesn't undercut any of that.

Just finished seeing love and thunder. Personally I think they did a great job. I loved it. Yes I wish I could’ve seen more Gor, but all together I’d give it a 9/10 for a Thor film.

wait, what, I think i miss the last credit scene tho..

I agree

Stop the joke is old now and it never was funny in the first place

@@Dr.Yakub22 Shut up omar

It would actually have made the movie better

You mean Roy Fucking Kent! Best part!

Would have been so boring with yet another grounded, dark and gritty superhero movie. It was a 2 hour popcorn blast this one. Definitely top 10 of the mcu I would say

@@joeykyle492Would have been too with YET another dark, gritty movie? How many dark gritty movies are there compared to the number of popcorn light movies (nothing wrong with that) ? Some would argue that the latter is far more common that the former would be refreshing

They had PTSD from Thor the dark world. They didn’t want to go so serious they turned stale again…. But the storyline in the comics is so good. They didn’t do it justice.

@@lennyavendano2052 I don’t quite understand your comment? When it comes to the mcu and also superhero movies before it (Batman trilogy, Spider-Man trilogy ect). All of them is more realistic takes on superhero movies in a modern world or whatever. Didn’t really happens before GOTG 1 that we saw a silly, fun, adventure movie about superheroes. Some of us like the idea of superheroes not taking themselves to seriously

@@joeykyle492 sure everyone loves fun and jokes but not at the expense of making thor a complete fucking idiot, this could've been soo much better if followed the comics storyline which was absolutely amazing.

I'm pretty sure Secret Invasion is just gonna be a show. And given their disappointingtrack record of all their other shows, i have no hope for it.

I'm pretty sure they know that they won't recreate what we had in Phase 1 2 and 3. It was Phase 1 2 and 3. The other phases won't be like 1 2 and 3. It'm sure thay they know it, so they don't even try to recreate it. It wouldn't work, because the casting wouldn't be the same. Or they would have to bring a Tony Stark from another universe.

@@Mad77max77 not true at all. This movie could've been so much more but they just blew it. They could've just kept going but its like they're trying to reboot it for this generation of kids instead of continuing on with what they had.

You mean Secret Wars? That would likely involve Kang. Also Dr Strange 2 brought up incursions, a foundational point for Secret Wars. Edit: I'd be all for a comic accurate giant purple planet eater. I think it was Nando who came up with a way to bring in Galactus.

You have to hope they know what they are doing.

And the fact it wasn't just a joke that came, spent it's laugh, and left, but no - they *really* wanted you to laugh at it. They *dragggged* it out to the point it wasn't funny.

I hated Infinity Cones the most. Like any Asgardian would open an ice cream store named Infinity Cones after all the death Thanos heaped upon, it would be like a Jewish person opening a store called "Hitlers". Just shake my head.

Everything in this movie is a disappointment. Im sooo pissed....

I bet they did that joke for the memes and gifs :( spend it on story telling!

That was the one thing I laughed at. It was so incredibly stupid I had to chuckle because I knew I could not take anything seriously now

Even if the MCU owned all the characters, they would mess it up. Disney have ruined the MCU after Endgame, (Which was the nail in the coffin IMO). For instance, Hawkeye, wasn't about Hawkeye, Falcon and The Winter soldier wasnt about either of the title characters, jesus, even Moonknight was more about the Scarlet scarab. Funnily enough though, Ms. Marvel and She Hulk are (and will) focus on the title characters. Anyone see a pattern forming?

@@crashnbyrne hawkeye not being abt clint's hawkeye is a fair point, but falcon and the winter soldier was definitely at least about falcon if not both of them, and moon knight was 100% abt moon knight bruh they had an entire episode that was literally just about deconstructing his mental state (and scarlet scarab was a supporting character who got like ten minutes of screen time as an actual hero in the last episode). jesus man if ur gonna try and make a point at least dont blatantly make up evidence from ur own confirmation bias goddamn

@@thehansolo0513 do not agree with his explanation, but his point stands majority of phase 4 has been a bum, expect Spiderman. That's the only genuinely good movie, its funny that Shang chi is one of the better movies/show In this phase. And at that time i did not really like it, if I knew how bad it would get

@@crashnbyrne Hawkeye not being about Clint was the entire point of the show. Kate Bishop is given the name of Hawkeye by Clint at the end of the series. So did you miss that, are you dense, or just randomly spouting an opinion you saw online

@@superstygian3751 exactly what im thinking. and i definitely saw crashnbyrne's statements before from other people

Yup bingo a few things he got wrong.

So in all the million of years that this wish machine existed no one tried to do it until gorr or those who have tried failed? Why does the mcu universe have a wishing machine for only one person? Does it have any limitations? I don’t know if we will ever have answers to these questions

@@mathastronomie Yes

And another thing he got wrong. Thor used Zeus's lightning bolt to embue the kids with powers.

@@IronBronx even that just raised more questions. How did he know to use Zeus thingy to do this? Also it was never mentioned that Thor could do magic but I guess he could always do it

Yeah, I remember watching it. It was great. Although I still like Infinity War Thor better.

Wdym on film instead of digital?

@@maxzdr3646 they shot the first phase of MCU movies entirely on film until captain America the first avenger. That was when they made the switch to shoot exclusively on digital.

Same i didn’t love that movie but i felt were they was going wish they’d just making better movies with the same them

Facts

I agree. Even after the sword was destroyed, he still wanted to wish for all the gods to die. He only changed his mind after Thor and Jane talked him down. The sword didn't corrupt him, it just gave him the means and power to do what he wanted.

@@MrMisterBatman doesn't the sword have to corrupt him, as in that's the description of what the sword does?

@@jeffnajarro1241 I interpreted it as the sword was corrupting him physically. As in it was slowly killing him. However, his desire to kill the gods came from himself, not the sword

@@MrMisterBatman the sword at least amplifies your own selfish desires? That's why it seeks out certain holders maybe

It was trash

that is true, this is the first marvel movie (since they started connecting everything that is) that I really say is truly terrible and i never want to rewatch it again... the only other one i would never rewatch is the first incredible hulk but not cuz it is bad, it is just cuz i never found the hulk personally as a interesting enough person when he was 95% of the movie. I never thought i would say i would never rewatch a thor movie before tho.... geez Marvel is turning into Modern Star wars now.... pure crap.

@@Deadganon Tell you what... I'd rewatch Love and Thunder before I rewatch Thor 2, still the raining worst MCU movie in my book

Agree, as Jeremy said... Thor's kinda devolving

While I do think a lot of the humor and things Thor does in this movie does devolve his character, like the poor pep talk he gives to the kids early on and the scenes Jeremy mentions, I thought his reaction to Jane's cancer and his wish for Jane to fight it is mature and true to character.

What drama? Thor’s father, friends and entire planet get killed, he loses his eye and it’s all played for jokes.

@@alexman378 Odin and his mothers death is sad with over a minute to process their deaths and a ceremony for the mothers, Even when hela is mudering you see the fear in everyone’s eyes. The only thing brought as a joke was the destruction of Asgard.

@@Naomi-xu4hq His mother’s death was indeed a sad moment that was played out respectfully. Waititi wasn’t yet involved, that’s why.

Arthur Fleck would see both as the same thing.

Wanna hear another joke?

I needed Arthur to shoot me like he shot Murray.

no one cares

@@mithex8414 you clearly cared enough to reply to him lol. What was even the point of replying???

Bahahahaha! Oh God, it's that bad? Lol

Even in Ragnarok, Destruction of Asgard was treated as an fucking joke.

Disney has ruined popular culture. It’s so sad that the only movies people want to see are big blockbusters with dinosaurs/marvel superheros

As opposed to GOTG vol .1 . . . Which was a SERIOUS film, from start to finish, correct?

Like fr we can't even feel the threat of Gorr cause bassicaly we didn't get the scene where he travel and killing gods like literally ZERO. And too much jokes makes me exausthed tbh

Nah, the humor never overshadowed the dramatic scenes.

Its not all black necrosword it is mcu necrosword. All black necrosword was there then joke king thor valkryie and lady thor my most hated character will be drownes on blood. The real gorr didn't appear in mcu

@@vichukuttan9625 keep dreaming

@@vichukuttan9625 i prefer the necronomicon from evil dead

@@vichukuttan9625 I’m detecting some salt there friend

From what I understood by “corrupt” it meant that this sword was killing him.

Oh great jammy is here too❤️ it seemed more of a parody of MCU than a MCU film but still some parts I liked...

Jammy in Jeremy's comments section

It was cringe humor for 5 year old kids

Why

Dude, it was bad. You guys must be fans of The Big Bang Theory bazinga stuff.

Odin?

she was in a battle with cancer

@@hugorhurtado939 that's not how it works) i was so annoyed at that. So if sif does not die in the battle she wont get into valhalla, but jane does wtf

I think BRB died on Sakaar before the events of Ragnarok. There’s a bust of him during one scene as a former champion and supposedly Thor/Hulk were the first ones to escape alive after becoming gladiators.

....and I've pretty much given up on Marvel at this point

The MCU can’t handle Beta Ray Bill’s pure Chad energy

I'm still wondering about Baldur.

Why would marvel do that? Half the people will just bitch if they don't do it perfectly.

Yeah it's what I thought. He doesn't have the same skill with magic as Odin did, so he used the Thunderbolt as a catalyst for it since it's such a powerful item.

They didn't nerf Green Goblin at least . I thought he was perfect .

I don't think you are in the minority. The first Thor movie is the best. Because the filmmakers actually cared about making a great movie. Now not so much. The MCU fans have more imagination and vision than the current writers.

You are not alone. Thor 1 is still the first and best in my heart.

It is the best. This shit was corny in a lot of ways

This one was simply bad. If it weren’t for Bale and the large budge, this really would have been awful.

@@mitchgarbeno3788 Bale was pretty much the only thing I was looking for are you. I knew he was gonna be good in it and he was.

Took me a second to realize you meant "Dutch Angles" instead of "Dutch Angels" haha. I thought you were referring to Asgardians as Dutch Angels LOL

Interesting. Lot of accurate stuff there. I love those originals in phase 1. They are all super unique (at least at the time). But I will say phase 4 is interesting. Most of it has your cookie cutter MCU stuff, but between shang chi, eternals, spidey, strange 2, and now thor, all those movies have very different and specific styles

@@matthewrichardson8162 Ha! Damn autocorrect.

the first and second thor movies were bad. real bad.

I have always said THERE IS NO BAD THOR MOVIE people are just bitter and jealous. But.. Love and Thunder is realy bad. Taika Waititi needs to stop dropping shit on everything and make Thor this pathetic joke.

I was really disappointed too.

With everything he has been through, this movie was supposed to be serious

Yea I agree I would love to see a prime thor even better than infinity war that is collected, focused, confident like wtf he's simping to jane he's a god.. I watched the movie hoping the serious moments wont be ruin by quips and I was so wrong cause it seems like taika is so afraid to not joke for about 2mins, thor is my favorite character in the MCU and I consider this just a parody, still infinity war thor is the goat, not those cringey screaming ones.

Hulk and Thor in the mcu are beyond repair at this point

Well said my friend well said

Just because its accurate to the comics still doesn't make it a good idea.

Problem is that the gorr from the comics isn't the gorr in the movie... this gorr was praying to the gods 10 seconds before deciding to murderer all of them out of nowhere.

@@alexpaez7488 His god pretty much said "Go fuck yourself, you pathetic ant" to his face. I think that would make me want to turn atheism into the correct belief no matter how devout I was 10 seconds before. Add-on: Also, there's plenty excuse to hate Zeus from actual mythology alone.

It was used differently in the comics, just lifting a storyline doesn't mean it's done well.

I think it was done well. And I believe it was implied that the sword didn't corrupt Gore. The sword leant Gore it's power because their views aligned. It just amplified what was already there. Having Thor fight so hard to save people and be the God that Gore hoped existed was what changed his mind at the end. Not the sword being destroyed. This is why this worked for me when most object makes villain bad when they're actually good. And unlike any other the villain is right plot line Gore is actually right here. A real French Revolution vibe.

I feel this film butchered The God Butcher.

@@anubusx I haven't seen it, but I'm confident that they did, unfortunately. I believe you're 💯 percent correct.

@@TheHumbleLionMotivates He looks rubbbish.

i wish they would've shown young thor meeting gorr for the first time. i've not read that arc ina while but i remember it being like 1200 or something and he saved a viking village and was banging all the women and drinking all the ale they had haha. but i remember that first meeting being brutal an in a cave

Great comment. This is the worst Marvel movie ever made. The journey Thor went on from Thor 1 to Endgame was meaningful and now they've just destroyed it all.

SNL is about as funny as this movie so I don’t think that would even help. lol

??? Did you actually watch the movie? The cancer isn't treated as a joke at any point in this movie.

Umm that's one of the only things they didn't joke about what?

@@MessyGamer616 The story revolved around Jane dying from cancer. It treated it as a joke. Thors making quips about the vending machine while Jane's lying in the hospital. He knows she has cancer by the last act and is making jokes all throughout it until the thing finally gets serious and then it all feels unearned.

He is clearly an actual psychopath. There is something deeply evil about this film.

The problem with success, they double down and make things worst always. Why they should always consult atleast one critical fan of your product so don't misread why people liked your product

I dunno, he seemed to pull it off pretty well with jojo rabbit. The balance was just WAY off in this film with far too much comedy and not enough time for the serious stuff to breathe.

Kind of reminds me of Game of Thrones directors shooting themselves in the foot. Honestly, after this movie I hope Taika leaves Thor.

Ok

Don't have to. Personally, I say give it a try. No harm in that.

Stream it online mate. I did. It's absolute trash. Don't pay money for it.

@@user-nv2wt4hi8t Where did you watch online?

I watched it yesterday the internet is a bubble just like this comment section , this movie is good ( not great ) but it’s a good time . Thor has never been smart and his movies always had humor . Dark world was the most serious movie and also my least fav

VERY well said my friend

Hella had comedic moments with the Executioner in Thor Ragnarok. Bale’s Gorr maybe had 1-2 jokes total 🤷‍♂️

@@johndeignan2668 you're not putting the "joking" in perspective my friend. Hela's overall humor was borne from a regal and royal arrogance befitting of her heritage, bloodline, and power level. Had she been properly introduced as the goddess of death there more than likely would have been far less humor. As stated on most related comment threads, the humor in the latest Thor movie was excessive and ill-advised, more of a comedy than an action adventure movie

Gorr was way more serious than Hela was. He's a much more tragic figure with legitimate grievances; Hela was just an evil conqueror who enjoyed killing people. It's like comparing Magneto to the Joker.

But Hela was also a little goofy.

Jane only noticed the bifrost was the key when she saw the book at Gorr’s hide out on the asteroid thing. I mean the movie was meh, just thought id clarify that.

That's the thing... Thor is no man, he's a God. He's thousands years old. Right ?

Thor lost everything, but gained the daughter of Eternity

Where was Gamora?

Not to get uber dark, but Thor and them going to see Zeus and was just so casual about it, reminded of the useless cops in Uvalde, Texas during the shooting while those kids were trapped in that cave thing. The dialogue was snarky and it's it was like Waititi was out to teabag everyone for some weird reason. Whatever, didn't even finish the damn movie. Normally yelling goats are funny, but this movie ruined that too lol.