Shredder's "make the turtles do chores" plan was actually genius. From then on, Splinter had to live with the guilt that he could have been living in relative cleanliness all along, instead of a filthy diseased trash pit, but chose not to. The guilt would soon drive him to crushing self-doubt.
so, funny thing about unmasked shredder - ive seen a LOT of girls confessing that they had a crush on him as kids and they treasured the moments he took off/holographed off his mask.
@@SwiftNimblefoot So the animators don’t have to animate his mouth. (But also because Shredder wore a mask in the comics, which actually made him look rather sinister.)
@@amandahaynes7030 Christ, at least he's got a sense of humor about it. If someone dropped something like that on me I wouldn't even know how to react except chuckle at the joke and go "that's fucked up" and hope that comes across as supportive instead of callous.
I have wondered why that didn't happen, and surely the rat would have become half-Hamato Yoshi, and Hamato Yoshi would have become half-Rat, not just one way around?
It was so funny hearing him play ratchet in transformers since I only knew him as the rat king before I got into transformers so his voice came as a surprise:
+Lobo's Top 5 It's just as absurd as making twin clones of Adolf Hitler. Or Causing a bunch of Middle schoolers not to go to College in some harebrained scheme to become the smartest man on earth!
To be fair, it could work really well if it was in a more realistic iteration of the Turtles. Creating a pizza chain as a front for recruiting members of the Foot, as well as money laundering to fund construction/maintenance of the Technodrome. Makes a lot of sense.
If it was 2012 Shredder, it would make sense if he didn't want to lose the mask because his face is horribly burnt and scarred from battling Hamato Yoshi in Japan. But yeah, nothing really wrong with 1987 Shredders mug.
I know right? 1987 shredder was almost good looking without his mask wearing civilian clothes. There were also times when I thought he looked more like a black dude than a Japanese guy without his shredder duds on.
I always thought it was really interesting how Shredder looked like the most normal person ever under the mask. In the 80's you learned from a young age that masks usu mean they are probably hiding something horrific under there. So when he finally did take it off you thought he'd be all Cobra Commander under there but nope......JC Penny's catalog model.
I think they made it clear from the beginning that the mask was just armor and he was a regular guy named Oroku Saki, only later did they really commit to making him look like his toy model all the time.
@@crystalvoodoo91 To be fair shredder can be a whiny bitch at times on the show. "I don't want to take over this dimension. I want to take over earth" anyone
Michaelangelo hitting Shredder with the Rust Beam is now one of my favorite moments from the 1987 TMNT series. Also don't have a problem with Shredder saying "Oil Me!" like he was the freaking Tinman from Oz causes its so priceless and a solid comeuppance.
@@jackhamilton9604 “Raphael Drives ‘Em Wild”. He switches minds with some guy named Oscar, a random recklessly driving cabbie. The episode stinks, and I kind of love it for that very reason. It’s awful, but a guilty pleasure.
Bebop and Rocksteady sudden multiple choice backstory gives me the same vibes as the Constructicons being both made on Earth BY Megatron and being the ones who made Megatron back on Cybertron.
"I'm almost 14!" Okay, I can get if Zack was like... 8? 9? but a fourteen year old wanting to be a ninja turtle/dressing like one/ getting in their way is a bit... i dunno... odd
Especially when you consider that the turtles are about 15 or 16 years old, which would only make them about a year or two older than Zack. Zack always came across way younger than "almost 14," especially next to the turtles.
What the h3ll are you going on about? Wasn't furry's a thing for your generation? Thank the good Lord my generation was Gothic and edgy, not a bunch of losers wearing home made fur suits.
Vol 2 of the comic does something like that with splinter and the Turtles and....it was honestly a really depressing story (seriously the TMNT comic is no joke)
@@Shadamyfan-rs8xc In the IDW series (which I'm guessing its what ironmaster is refering to) shows that the TMNT and Splinter are the reincarnated Hamato Yoshi and his four sons, who lived in 15th century Japan. Hamato Yoshi was banished from the Foot clan for reasons I don't quite remember at this time and grew a family with his wife Tang Shen. 16 year later he was found by the new leader of the Foot Clan (and former rival) Oroko Saki AKA the Shredder. Shredder had the four sons executed in front of Hamato Yoshi. Before being killed himself, Hamato Yoshi vowed vengeance in another life for Saki's cruelty. It turns out Shredder made a deal with a witch in Feudal Japan soon after the death of Yoshi and his sons, to be reawakened to lead the Foot Clan to new heights of power in a powerful city of Light (AKA New York). Fast forward to present day New York and the turtles and a rat are being experimented on to create super soldiers and mutant body armor. Eventually they are mutated and memories of their past lives are slowly regained throughout the series. Its a really cool take that weaves in a whole other aspect of the TMNT lore and is pretty great IMO.
"You know, Shredder, next time just poison the pizza." ROFL XD XD XD When I was little, I actually sometimes felt sorry for him because he put so much effort into his nefarious schemes, and they never paid off. Shredder, sweetie, just grab a gun and shoot them in the head. There. Problem solved. You're welcome. Love ya. Also, rockin' that holographic Miami Vice outfit, my man.
I meant (and I was being a little facetious) no lasers, no elaborate schemes, no monologues, no warning. Just sniper those fuckers to oblivion - problem solved. :D
+Christie Greenwood: Been there, done that -remember the episode, where they spike the Turtles' pizza with a love potion and Leo, Raph and Mike fall head over heels for Irma? I felt so bad for Irma at the end of that episode..though she looked adorable in that wedding dress...
He says in “Take Me To Your Leader” that his first career choice was actually being an author. Ruthless dictator was second, according to that Oscar worthy episode.
If I were in Shredder's boots, I would tell Krang "The only person they would lay their eyes on is that news reporter chick if you used that potion on them, she often goes into their hideout! I'd say we have some spies take the turtles out in the hideout."
Seven years late, but I should point out that in Pizza by the Shred, Shredder wasn't trying to poison the turtles. He was searching for their lair and he was using a Pizzeria as a means to find it. The gimmick of this pizzeria is using whatever ingredient you want and he believed that the turtles would order the weirdest pizza they could make. Once that happens, he would add a cloaking device disguised as an anchovy so that he would find their lair and ambush them.
#11: Would it have been any better if the Turtles had landed with the spring underneath them? Or maybe any idea to "cushion" their landing was so stupid they decided "Screw it, we'll just show them landing on their feet - they're ninjas after all!"
I'm going to assume that #8 is the direct result of them taking a shortcut to save money by not having to draw, paint, or animate the shredders mouth move
I think one of the most awkward moments (not mentioned in these vids, at least) was where Shredder's stupid mind-control ray went haywire, making everyone think they're kids/dogs/monkeys, and his super-mutants started dancing and singing Vaudeville. That whole episode is hilariously bad, from animation and dialogue to its premise. It's one long awkward moment, and I love it!
The shredder not removing his mask or armor kinda makes sense for the animators to cut cost. It meant that shredder's mouth was one less thing that needed animation, and not removing his armor was for the same reason. Every frame costs a lot of money because they when drawn by hand, and it's easier for the animation studio to cheap out and save money, so it really makes sense from that perspective. Yes, from an in-universe perspective, it's silly. I do agree with that.
9:58 wait...hold up. Remembering stuff from the animals they were mutated with? That potentially both suddenly makes sense and also is way dumber and concerning. There are questions of just how much of their brain is still human... Though the turtles having built in basic knowledge of learning to walk and basic ninjitsu would be kinda interesting.
Hey, Shredder running a pizza joint is priceless and I think the Foot Clan owned a pizza shop during the first season, you know back when they actually owned a lot of front businesses, when Shredder, Krang, Bebop, & Rocksteady were still somewhat competent. Also Shredder could have been making money that whole time he, Bebop, and Rocksteady were working there. Though they would have been smarter to just keep the Pizza shop as a front business and let the Turtles' love of pizza unknowingly bankroll their operations (though give Bebop and Rocksteady jobs within the company that don't involve them being anywhere near the pizzas). Now that's an evil plan that I think even ol' Krang could get behind.
I hated it when Michelangelo stopped using his nunchucks and replaced them with a grappling hook thing, because the big brave makers of TMNT wimped out when the helicopter moms complained about those horrible, dangerous weapons. But it was still okay for the other turtles to have katana swords and sai daggers. Yes, I'm female and I watched this show. Problem?
+UnCreative Deconstructionism Basically, helicopter parents (both moms and dads) are people who're really,really,REALLY involved to their child's life. Like, to the point of being overcontrolling, overprotecting and overperfecting in their attempts to remove all present and future obstacles/threats in their precious angel's life path (meddling up with their studying, choosing their friends etc.) ,and cleaning up their messes for them.
Actually, they phased out the nunchucks because the U.K. Was tired of censoring it out of their version. (Censorship of Ninja and Nunchucks were bad over there because it was in a negative spotlight at the time.)
No there's no problem with that I'm a male who (I'm almost not ashamed to admit) watches Barbie on occasion I mean the Barbie movies I know they're for girls but they handle plot, characters, and everything else so well and many of their songs are kickass! so I personally don't think there should be a problem with females watching ninja turtles (now I wait for the insults from any bastard or bitch waiting to tear people the fuck down I think I'll be going troll hunting sometime or the trolls will hunt me could go either way)
DJ Ninja I hate those kinds of parents we kids need to adapt to real world problems otherwise when we're finally on our own we won't be prepared for all the bullshit might as well prepare for the fear, the sorrow, and every other bullshit thing about life and we need to pick our own friends do I even need to explain why
+david hoenig Ever read the original Mirage TMNT comics? The Rat King is like the most dark and disturbing character in the whole universe, however brief his appearance may be. The guy teaches Splinter a lot about his animal side, and even convinces him to resort to cannibalism to survive. Their encounter leaves such an impact to Splinter, that when Splinter dies in the comic, the last thing he sees, is a vision of the Rat King.. It's kinda painful for a Mirage fan to see him bumbling about in these videos. :D
Evan Pan-Bao Well, you probably noticed this yourself, but Nickelodeon Rat King is ALSO Jeffrey Combs. And he's perfect. They even make some Re-Animator references with his origins.
I hated when they put "spunky kids" in the shows to "help" the heroes and provide what writers no doubt mistook for comic relief. I call it the Scrappy Doo effect.
"Scrappy" is the trope name for a character many of the fans hate for being annoying. This particular type is a Tagalong Kid added for Kid-Appeal, closely related to Cousin Oliver.
"There were two things the 87 Turtles cartoon just really needed to stay away from: aliens and gangsters." Um...You do realize that Kraang is also an alien, right?
I'm surprised you didn't point out that weird inflation scene from "Michelangelo's Birthday". Because that was one of the strangest episodes ever to air.
I agree The anti-mutagen failed because somebody fucked up the formula Okay fine, but why did it turn them into what would happen if a balloon fucked a cloud
I remember when I was much younger, my mom got me a Burger King TMNT tape that had Zak on it. It was The Great Boldini episode and looking back....I actually LIKED that episode, even with Zach and Catilin in it. I guess that was because I didn't remember Zach's introduction episode which was basically him just tripping around and crap. I guess in the Great Boldini episode I was distracted more so by the turtles actually kicking ass and Raph being more sarcastic for some reason (as in when he gets pissed that Irish-stereotype cop thinks they're leprechauns because their green and short.) to be annoyed by those two kids even when they got themselves into trouble just for being stupid to go back into the museum. Also, random appearance by the Rat King in that one and suddenly Don Torelli looks different and is Boldini's cousin. What drugs were they one for the story meeting for THIS one?
@@reptile1677 I don't think that's correct... it wasn't in the movie, anyway. As far as the cartoon... I'm pretty sure it showed them younger, too. (They were BABY turtles, after all.)
Re Number 14: considering the Turtles seemed to easily learn Ninjutsu (likely from the contact with Hamato Yoshi) and Splinter could fall under Rat King's control (like a regular rat) I don't think Bebop and Rocksteady having memories of the animals they got crossed with is that bad. It even kinda works in that the mutagen effects seem consistent.
One of my favorite guity pleasures of this show are the gangsters on the show! Don Turtelli, Tony "The Butcher" Vivaldi, Pinky McFingers, and Big Louie. lol
Gotta say, Lord Dregg had a good voice actor and the Krang brain thing actually is kinda neat, and maybe him having Krang in his head was due to Krang being an actual brain which somehow causes him to merge with Dregg like that (its also kinda creepy if your a little kid or find such things disturbing).
That's the joke. I watched both of these as a kid. I just saw your name and decided to say it. Sorry if yours was a joke too, I do jump to conclusions easily on this website. It's full of idiots. No offense intended.
on the plus side, I liked the designs of these turtles. And I liked how their weapons look Home made. Different colors. All the turtles look alike so it's like something splinter did when they were kids. The belt buckle thing is very parents like to me too.
Well, to be fair to Shredder, he said they can order any ingredient they want. Sooooo much better than the usual pizzeria where half their menu is forbidden toppings you're not allowed to actually order. I'd frequent Shredder's Pizza!
Just thought about one of those. In number one, wouldn't Krang WANT criminals around? Doesn't having more enemies of the turtles give him plenty of time to strategize and potentially let others kill the turtles for him?
If only they could combine the plans and have lure the turtles to Shredder's pizzaria on an island, get them to fall in love with each other, and then float them all away.
Good to see Krang got revenge on Phelous for calling his floating island plan the number #1 stupidest. Its not really a bad plan (its just the execution in the episode that could use some work), maybe Krang just gave up on the whole planet conquering thing and decided he wanted to be a criminal Kingpin instead. I mean there's nothing wrong with trying something different for a change.
Raph had a good reason for becoming The Nightwatcher in TMNT. The previous version just so happened to be an old man that he rescued while his brothers were busy dealing with the Triceratons. After the old man died, Raph decided to take on the hero role for him
13:03--not just surviving a skyscraper-level fall and safely landing on their feet, but the poorly animated run afterwards, and Leo talking without his mouth moving! That whole scene took me out.
Episodes with Pulverizer were almost painful to watch because of his stupidity (and also made me feel slightly bad for Don, who had to put up with him more than others), but I'd seriously take him over Zack the "I'm-the-fifth-ninja-turtle" any day.
Phelous, you're all wrong, the rust bit makes perfectly sense. They rusted the iron of his armor, *and* the iron inside his body! That's why he couldn't move!
+lightyearpig12 Really? That was the one I was most familiar with as a kid, but I rarely hear any praise for it. Most of the time I hear about people who were fans of the original show who still like it (at least nostalgically) as well as people talking about how the newest series is really good.
Master Markus Let's be clear. RU-vid critics tend to focus on the 1987 series and the current series. RU-vid COMMENTERS, being young enough that the 2003 series was their introduction and not the 87 one, are the ones who constantly bring it up. Not that that's a bad thing.
BlueScarabGuy But why do I not hear critics talk about the 2003 one? Was it agreed to be significantly bad, or just not what they grew up with? I don't remember it very well.
Master Markus Just not what they grew up with. If they grew up with the 87 series as children, they would have probably been in middle or high school when the 2003 show was on. And we all know middle and high school is when we all foolishly abandon watching cartoons because "it's for kids and WE'RE TEENAGERS AND SO MUCH MORE MATURE". It's only after high school that people go back and are like "wow that was stupid. Cartoons are awesome!"
Especially for him! Ninjas are about disguise! Not black or armor, disguise! Most wore civil street clothes. He is a ninja Ok; they live in the sewers, they are not just generically underground: limited areas, maps
Rust beam would be strong. Steel is everywhere and oxidizing would do all sorts. The rusting of shredder is a tin man joke, which works given how well known oz is. But not logically as shows and death battle said he’s ninja precision.
To be fair, the IDW TMNT comic series play the idea of the Turtles being the incarnations of Yoshi's four Sons from feudal Japan! Kind of a cool interpretation of the Turtles, making it my favorite version of TMNT, second being the 2012 Nick series!
Oh remember the one the show gave Raphael a girlfriend character and then she is another one off character? Oh but she was kinda back for the 2012 series, voiced by Zelda Williams. And Raphael takes to her too.
08:56 - You gotta be kidding me. The Adventures of T-Rex had the exact same plot to an episode, called The Kimono Kaper! Treasure map in a kimono, Big Boss steals all of them, and we even have the sister of the T-rex brothers get hit on the head and think she is detective from a novel she reads. Since these shows were aired around the same time, wonder which one stole the other's idea...
