As an air traffic controller at ORD that was in the tower on the day of this incident, I wanted to compliment you on your telling of this story. Frankly, I was surprised at the accuracy of your account-- I usually find a lot of errors in accounts of incidents at ORD where I have personal knowledge, but not this time, you got it all correct. Nice job!
A 747 is NOT something you would want to see bearing down on you out of the snow and fog as you are crossing its path. Good job boiling down all the finger pointing on this incident.
Yeah like the SFO incident where the Air Canada attempt to land but almost land on taxiway where 2 Uniteds and a Philippines airline was lining up on taxiway that would been a 1,000 mass deaths if that plane landed
Could you imagine being a passenger in the right hand side of that 727? Watching that behemoth barreling down the runway towards you and you're powerless to stop what almost happened! Yikes!
Way back in 1962 during the Vietnam War there were not one but TWO nearly identical Flying Tiger flights that went missing on the same day from the same airport and were never seen again.
Only a year and a half after Tenerife. Can you imagine being a passenger seated on the starboard side in the Delta flight? Seeing a 747 bearing down on you like a giant.
A Tenerife nearly happened I think in 2017 (or 2018) at San Francisco International. An Air Canada jet nearly landed on a taxiway where there were four jets waiting to take off. The plane missed the tail of a 747 by mere feet.
Super busy airport with pax, freight and mantance ops...right smack dab in the middle of the country that invented air travel and in a region were geographicly for a temperate weather can alway turn dicey the next second and lastly the entire hub and spoke model of air travel spun around. Cool stuff😜
A horn would be useless for a commercial aircraft. The loud engine noises and the headsets pilots wear would easily drown out any horn. Also, planes are not agile like cars. They cannot respond at lightning speeds and accelerate/deccelerate as fast as a car can.
It's really nice to watch a non- sensationalized documentary that is fact based. I enjoy watching your videos and being able to trust I'm hearing what actually happened. Please keep up the great work!
I'm a somewhat regular airline passenger. From my point of view, I'm surprised this type of thing doesn't happen more often. The really busy airports like O'Hare, Atlanta, LAX and DFW look so chaotic to me.
I don't want to freak you out because really it's hard to get any better than the aviation industry's current safety record, but I can tell you that runway incursions (not necessarily fatal ones though) are really fairly common and becoming even more common.
Don’t worry. It may seem chaotic but all in all the pilots and controllers are so careful to avoid incidents, and I’m not sure if runway incursions are becoming more common.
What else are you going to do though? These are pilots, quick response to an emergency is kinda like one of the job requirement isn't it? Turning right seems like the most probable action for any pilot to take if a plane coming in from the left side.
This video took me back to when I first booked an airline flight for a holiday. The days when there were smoking and non smoking sections and pilots often joined airline hostesses to welcome you as you boarded the plane. I am so glad nobody died in this "near miss" collision. We live and learn but 2019 was NOT a year of no casualties and was a very sad year for families and friends on the Lion and Ethiopian crashes RIP. Seasons greatings from South Africa 🇿🇦
This begs the question - did the FAA comply with the NTSB request? As we’ve unfortunately seen, sometimes the FAA gets bogged down and doesn’t follow through. Same with the railroads. The NTSB usually is spot-on with their requests. Another well-done presentation by Allec!
I love your videos. All the work to get the info, photos, finding the aircraft, and the liveries for the sim, flying it in the sim,. CVR, ATC, camera positions, script writing, video editing, music, it is all outstanding!
Alec, great job again ! You can't get a closer call than that one ! Kudos to quick reacting 747 Cargo pilots for choosing the off runway excursion into the dirt vs collision with probably many deaths - especially considering the Delta 727 was undoubtedly fully fueled !
I was a pilot for Tigers back then. They didn't go into the dirt. There were high snow banks on both sides of the runway. As our plane departed the runway, the right body gear was sheared from the aircraft. This raised the left wing of the 747, allowing the wingtip tip pass over the cockpit of the Delta 727, rather than thru it. It was just that close. An engine was then sheared off, and the aircraft bounced along the snow drifts until coming to a stop. It took days to unload the cargo due to floor buckling, which disabled the automatic cargo handling system. They dodged a bullet that day. We were damned proud of our crew's performance.
These are good videos, very informative. If anyone's looking at an O'Hare diagram... In 1979 today's Runway 10L was then designated 9R, and it was 3000 feet shorter at its west end where the incident happened. The Delta 727 was crossing at what is now Taxiway T, a very oblique angle from which a crossing Captain has virtually no view of eastbound aircraft on the runway. Perhaps another factor in this accident was that O'Hare was in a very unusual configuration that snowy day... Then, as now, departures on Runway 4R were very uncommon. Neither the pilots nor the controllers had much experience with working outbound aircraft across Runway 9R when it was being used as a landing runway.
My dad was the FO on the FTL 747, he saved many lives, as the captain failed to act. The captain also ran out of the cockpit leaving my dad and the SO to complete the emergency shut down checklist. Than you Allec for the video!
I worked off loading that plane. We were freezing out there. At one point the front nose gear started on fire because they had heaters too close. The wind was swirling around the aircraft. It took about almost 5 days to get the plane out. Tigers had some of the very best pilots I have ever known.
@@sixtiesjunky3312 absolutely could have been worse. I loved deadheading and sitting in the jump set in the cockpit. Watching you guys fly was such a treat. You pilots flew like the aircraft was a part of you and not you just driving.
Amazing how the flight engineer has been replaced by the PFD/MFD combination in most modern glass cockpits. The capabilities of those guys in the pre-modern age was astounding given their workload and need to be resilient and resourceful.
Oh my goodness, that was too close for any kind of comfort!! Great piloting to get out the way. This is exactly why I hate flying on foggy days 😱 Allec, I trust your little doggy enjoyed her first Christmas with you? Greetings from South Africa 👋🇿🇦
Excellent video. Great ending with no loss of life. Two things to mention. Excellent maneuver by the Flying Tigers Pilots in avoiding a clear disaster. Also I know that FT had insurance but I believe the airport should have paid for the repair, considering the controller was at fault. Just my opinion.
If a pilot makes an error of judgement like this he loses his position, his job, his wings, gets sued. A traffic handler makes the same mistake he gets "remedial training" and the FAA issues a directive
Its such a shame, to see these beautiful aircraft, get scrapped. You'd think their would be a way, to turn the body, into a hotel or motel. Or maybe many small movie theaters. Just because it's past its life as an aircraft, land use is still okay. I know a few planes, have been turned into homes. What a home this plane would make. I can just here it now, " Honey, please go down to the cargo hold where the freezer is, and bring up the turkey", and then we hear the reply, "Yes, dear".
Walter Fink It had a fairly long existence after this experience. Frankly, I’m astonished that it DID, have such a long life following this scare. Especially if El Al acquired it after being repaired!?! The safest airline in the world acquired the aircraft!?!That should say something towards the quality of the work done on this beast prior to re-entering it into service. Then, from El Al...off to HKA...then a few other Cargo’s. And what about the pilots of the Tiger aircraft itself?? Avoiding a potentially devastating collision capable of killing all on board BOTH planes! The planes can be repaired. Human life is irreplaceable.....
It's on my bucket list to pick up an old fighter jet from the Davis-Monthan boneyard to put in my backyard, where it would become a landmark for all of the pilots going over me in their downwind approach leg. The problem with this idea is that even "small" jets (relative to an airliner) are big and heavy when it comes to truck transport and cranes to reassemble. An old Evergreen 747 was just placed ashore near Washington DC, but it took a huge barge to bring it up the Potomac from the last place it landed.
OMG, that’s wayyy too close for comfort, I mean if that Delta plane didn’t stop or move a bit more faster ahead and that Flying Tiger plane didn’t notice them amidst all that fog, well, I cannot imagine the carnage on that runway😱
You don't know the half of it...I was a pilot for Tigers back then. There were high snow banks on both sides of the runway. As our plane departed the runway, the right body gear was sheared from the aircraft. This raised the left wing of the 747, allowing the wingtip tip pass over the cockpit of the Delta 727, rather than thru it. It was just that close. An engine was then sheared off, and the aircraft bounced along the snow drifts until coming to a stop. It took days to unload the cargo due to floor buckling, which disabled the automatic cargo handling system. They dodged a bullet that day. We were damned proud of our crew's performance.
I heard that a lot from my friends and others that I told that I worked for Flying Tigers. However, it was United and Braniff that brought vet back. Thank you for your service.
I don't see why he should do a video on an accident someone else did. Allec is trying to do accidents no one has heard of, teaching people. Not doing re-enactments of well known crashes when you can watch lower quality channels or ACI episodes of it.
My family and I were on an AA DC10 approaching O'Hare when that happened. We were put into a holding pattern for quite a while. My brother and I noticed smoke on the ground, near the airport, but we didn't know what it was until after we landed. We drove past the crash site on our way out. That plane would have been our flight back to San Diego a week later. The takeoff on that return flight (another DC10) had a lot of passengers looking very nervous.
Capt. Petrick is the hero of this story. His decisive decision to veer into the grass saved the day for all involved. It must have been a very close call in far from ideal conditions. The outcome could have been disastrous.
I'm reposting this from my earlier reply...I was a pilot for Tigers back then. They didn't go into the dirt (or grass in this case). There were high snow banks on both sides of the runway. As our plane departed the runway, the right body gear was sheared from the aircraft. This raised the left wing of the 747, allowing the wingtip tip pass over the cockpit of the Delta 727, rather than thru it. It was just that close. An engine was then sheared off, and the aircraft bounced along the snow drifts until coming to a stop. It took days to unload the cargo due to floor buckling, which disabled the automatic cargo handling system. They dodged a bullet that day. We were damned proud of our crew's performance.
Fascinating story. Great job Alec Ibay. Actually, airport near-misses used to be far more common. Very likely this one and others like it helped airports improve runway safety.
I was there on another flight enroute to Wichita, KS to visit a relative. I cannot remember what airline we were on, I was 14 at the time. What I do remember was seeing the Flying Tigers 747 out off the runway. Very snowy that day. Thanks jogging what memory I have left of this incident.
These videos calm me down before I go to sleep after a long day of flying. They get me mentally in the zone for the next day. I have... So many nightmares though 😂 jk
The procedure is called “look & go”. Still in use at some places. A week after that B747 was returned to the line it stopped by where I was working at 3AM. It couldn’t land at RJAA until RJAA reopened for business later in the morning. RJAA closes nightly for noise abatement.
As you can see on one of these pictures, they had more than one. During the sale of Flying Tigers assets to FedEx, in August 7, 1989, the company was operating 8 Boeing 747-100, 13 747-200, 19 727-100 and a remaining 6 Douglas DC-8-73.
I was a Flying Tiger employee when they were acquired by FedEx. They had the largest 747 fleet in the world at one time. Employees could jumpseat on the second deck. Very comfortable.
At the time, we had 24 +/- stretch 8s (-61 and -63s) and 24 747s +/- (a mix of -100 & 200s). I crewed both. Numbers would vary depending on lease/lift demand. We did a lot of swapping with TIA (Trans International Airlines).
Unsure if you're joking but even if its loud, it would still be useless since pilots wear really good noise-cancelling earphones, they can't even hear their own aircraft's engine with those on, besides, aviation safety has improved since then, this kind of thing is really, really, really rare to happen
N467DA was returned to service with Delta and the airline was 727's only owner. It was later parked at VCV on November 1998 and then broken up, canx September 9th, 2003.
I suggest that you should make a like remastered version of those incidents and accidents. I really appreciate your hardworks bro. U can use a more realistic simulator etc...
I thought it was always the case that for this very reason,ANY aircraft that uses the runway (crosses it,takes off from it or lands on it) has to talk to just the tower controller?
We should all be aware that "flying time" per se is no more indicative of piloting skill than the wear on an airframe. The real issue is "what kind?" One international hop builds flying time but accounts for one approach and landing (the captain and co-pilot switch on the return. One landing for the airframe. Take that same crew and airframe and do DCA to LGA for the same numbers of hours and you've got some meaningful experience for the crew and stress on the airframe!
