Depends on if you belong to a union or not. What your union contract is. I’ve been on both sides, this is not an endorsement of unions or argument against them. Both situations have their good and bad points.
This woman's whole shtick is based in non-reality. This is low level power fantasy for desk jockeys that are overpaid for what they do to begin with. Why am I here if I don't like her """"content"""" you may ask? Good question, I put this channel on the do not recommend list but once you click on one of these slops it follows you to the grave
What usually happens is they quietly lay off people. Managers then come around and start requesting more work out of the remaining employees. My suggestion: always have 4 recruiters on speed dial.
@@pariahlord3540 Funny , though, how this has actually happened to a lot of people. I came back from vacation, there was a meeting to tell us all of our hours were being cut, but we were still required to do ALL of our respective jobs. Things like this are not fantasy, they happen all the time.
Quiet quitting sounds like a good idea, but in reality it'll only hurt you and your career. Find something you enjoy doing and then figure out how to make money doing it.
Exactly. When covid happened and people got to work from home or were locked down, they had time to think and take a step back. People realized life is too short for this crap. And I say good! Figure out whats best for you and your family and do that. Nothing anyone else says matters. I wish everyone the best. Its hard but we can do it. Just need a plan.
@@Cherryblossoms110she works for the company, not you, grow up and start your own company or stop expecting someone who is trying to live their dream care about yours
Companies do this all the time and then wonder why people engage in acting their wage or, as management likes to call it, "quiet quitting". If you lay people off to save money, that better be because the department is under-utilized or I'm following right along with them to get a position somewhere that isn't overburdening me with work at no additional pay so the managers can justify their yearly bonus.
That is dumb, just continue to do "your" job. If it all goes to hell in a handbasket--so be it. Polish up the resume. Use all your PTO. Leave on your terms. If they fire you, they will have to pay unemployment. This is not about your feelings, this is about your money
@@THE-id1by You might think it's dumb but I've seen it happen. Company I worked for was terrible for the way they treated employees. Before xmas one year they fired a bunch of people then decided since Dec 23rd was a pay day not to pay the employees. To their shock the owners came in on the 24th to find a stack of resignations from the entire staff. Fortunately enough for me I left that company a year earlier. I helped as many of my former co workers get jobs as I could. But sometimes it is better to get out before it all burns down around you. You don't want to be the ones to show up to work & the place is locked up & a notice is on the door. It's better to go out on your terms. When it is 1 person quits then an employer can simply tell anyone calling in reference to hiring that person they were a bad employee but when 90 people walk out all at once it speaks volumes about the employer. Oh I was a manager there I got out because I saw the writing on the wall & got most of my former staff jobs at other companies I had connections with so they wouldn't be there when it all went titts up. People I knew in other departments I gave leads to & referrals to when they all walked out.
@@seditiouswalrus I've seen it happen when owner goes off the rails screwing their employees. The owner of that company learned don't piss in peoples corn flakes the day before xmas.
My hospital chain keeps cutting support staff and dumping their duties on the nurses who are trying to do patient care, then expecting the nursing staff to be more responsive to the patients. Then giving extra pay during Covid to every department except nursing. Guess what they got…..pizza. And several died from Covid because they were worked like crazy. Then administration scratches their head and are trying to figure out why there’s a 60% staff turnover and they can’t get nurses to accept a job with them. Thank God I became disabled right before Covid. I was already doing three people’s jobs because they didn’t want to spend the money. It worsened my health so I got out. And so glad I had paid for long term disability insurance.
When the manager indicated she was taking "PTO" (Personal Time Off?), I immediately wondered if this meant that, in fact, she had some job interviews since she realizes that the ship is sinking.
Was in a job that did this. My team amd I let things slide and deadlines not met because of the extra work. Management was seething and knew they could not fire all of our team or their clients would lose it. 6 months after realizing the threats, passive agression amd coercion was not working, managememt finally hired new people to handle the workload. After 3 months of training the newbies, my coworker and I left to better opportunities with a 35% increase in salary. I found out later that two of the toxic senior managers in that company (who were nothing but bullies making vile decisions in the workplace) were fired for gross misconduct. The company approached me to fill one of their roles. I declined. Never working for a company like that. It was riddled with bad managers and abuse enablers.
Disgustingly familiar. The whole "well your contract does state" may as well be "remember, you signed your life away because when we draw up contracts we make sure to trap our employees". My heart goes out to everyone having no choice but to remain in a toxic environment.
@@cpK054L My pleasure. ive had four other jobs make me an offer with better hours and better pay already. YTou were already short staffed.. Now you are VERY short staffed...
Thing is the "toxic manager" in this case is usually a middle manager who has zero say in the matter. Having an attitude and complaining about how unfair it is to them is almost as bad as a customer blaming front line staff for company policy.
me: "just throw them on the list of things to get done and i'll get them done when i get to them during my hours, no i'm not doing any unpaid overtime, leave my office or i'll lose track of three hours of work." worked everytime and they kept me till i quit.
Never enable this kind of behavior by picking up the slack due to cutting hours. Managers do this to get a bonus and expect eveyone to work harder without compensation. Not okay.
LOL, where I worked they fired a secretary, months later the supply drawers were empty and invoices were not sent out. The manager never had this meeting and half the employees was unaware the person had been let go.
So this is the time to get CV updated and look for another job. Often, when this sort of thing happens, managers are really surprised that half the staff left get new jobs within 6 months.
When I was a young guy (20) in the mid 80s a distribution company I worked for did this to us. Increased our labor 30%. No extra salary. I was making $5 an hour. I had no financial obligations so I instantly quit and walked out.
@@boristheamerican2938 If you are single, you have no credit, no mortgage, etc, it's easier than you imagine. You can find another job. Nobody owns you. That is the beauty of it.
In the real world, this of course would be following the fact that several employees were let go last year, with their duties being divided among the remaining employees, who never got compensated for those extra duties then. And now are being asked to take on the extra duties again this year with no extra compensation. And those employees can expect to do the same next year when a few other employees are let go and their duties are again divided among the remaining without compensation. Until there is just one employee doing everything for no extra compensation.
Pay raises and promotions are given to high performers who take on responsibility. People leaving is as much an opportunity as it is a burden. I’ve seen a lot of people leave who’s 40 hr a week job could be replaced with very little time and effort by a smarter and more efficient person - this is who you want to be This video promotes a bad attitude which gives the impression that a job isn’t of mutual benefit to both employer and employee. Nothing teaches you to value a good job like a serious threat of losing yours.
Not really. Only wimps think that way. Smart people will see the leverage. They let six go and plan on dumping the work on the ones left. I'm sure they didn't let any good employees go so this is the time to stand up and demand better or leave. Employers treat people this way because people accept this type of treatment
💯💯💯 good for them bc life is too short to be a slave. Those days are over and I am happy that gen z care less about money and more about quality of life.
Companies have been doing this for an insanely long time. People put their job on a pedestal above their own lives and dignity. Now you have more options.
This happened at my old job. Being single and childless, I took one for the team and resigned, hoping that it'd spare at least one of my other coworkers with a family. No. They got cut one after the other after in a span of 5 months. Our once 10-member team has 3 people in it left. Half our responsibilities got moved to another team and surprise, that team started hiring to handle what we worked on. 2 of my old team that got redundiated got rehired. Everyone else is doing okay. They are still hiring for the positions we filled. Those seats were empty for half a year.
I don’t blame him. But he should have stayed, if he could, and started looking for better opportunities. But Bailing, because responsibilities are being added, will not look good if the new employers check.
The next day, just let the answering machine take care of things, then date the pretty girl at the restaurant next door and invite her in to watch Kung fu movies.
Increased responsibilities requires increased compensation. Never do work for free. Dont work off the clock. And balance your work life with time off (regularly scheduled days off, vacation, etc.)
Decades ago I worked for an administrator and my particular job ran on a quarterly cycle. 2 months out of the three I worked overtime Monday through Thursday. The remaining month I caught up on grunt work I ignored while busy. Quit 8 days before my first son was born but told them ahead of time I wasn't coming back. Trained my replacement for 3 months. She quit 2 months after I did because it was too much work for 1 person and the low salary. They ended up replacing her with 2 people. So for 8 years I was doing the job of 2 people and getting one salary. So glad people are getting smarter and not letting companies walk all over them. I'm a Boomer and we stayed with horrible employers because there were so many of us we knew we could be replaced in a few days.
In my experience the way to go is to keep your mouth shut and start applying elsewhere while quiet quitting the current spot. This kind of thing is why it is way better to job hop every 2-3 years these days
They did that in a company i worked for a decade ago. I took the whole it-support team with me. They lost a couple hundred thousand euros in external support costs. Most of it to the company we went to ;) Still working there. Old company is still paying us through the nose after trying to reestablish their own it-support team under the same c*nt of a manager twice...
I get the point, but why bother with questions? Obviously this company is not doing well if they pull this stuff without compensating their staff for a known reduction in workforce. Start looking for a new job OR take advantage of the new paradigm and do the bare minimum.
Nah man, companies will do this after a record year in profits. Labor is the #1 recurring cost of a business. Having fewer people do the same amount of work is the quickest way to inflate those profits, and you inflate it even more if the remaining employees can be guilted into doing it without an increase in pay.
This happened to me years ago, but I did tell them It's going to take a lot longer to complete my job since I am doing more work, needless to say they didn't give me anything that was time sensitive, so it worked to my advantage that time and made my job less stressful.
As long as those necessary other duties fit between my clearly specified start & end times, and around my legally mandated lunch & break times, then bring them on. Before I was flexible. But if you’re gonna start bringing up contracts, then I’m gonna have to start working the contractually specified hours.
See the way you get through to them on that one is simple.... Wait until they get rid of everyone they want rid of.... Then all remaining employees quit the following day. No call no show no notice no nothing.... Sure they'll scramble to hire NEW people.... But in the meantime they will be loosing money like a leaky radiator and none of the new people know what to do and there is nobody to train them.... Therefore if not killing the business for sure bringing it down far enough to make them regret their previous actions 😂
They sure look busy waiting for foreigners to take care of their aging parents, clean up their mess and grow the food they eat while they sip their allowance-paid soy latte in the park on a break from another protest.
No... this one is too easy. I would nod and smile and go back to my desk. I wouldn't bust my butt any more or less than I already do at work - I'm an hourly employee, so it wouldn't pay to do so (besides, I work hard already because I like my job). I still would not work one minute of overtime unless it was scheduled and I was getting paid for it. Last minute emergencies would still have to fit my definition of "emergency." And I'd be looking for a new job, because I wouldn't be hopeful for my future if my company cut roughly 30% of my department. But I wouldn't paint a target on my back for the higher ups to take aim at by asking for more compensation after they've just cut 6 people. 😂😂😂
I'm a property manager and my maintenance guy quit. I then started doing some of his duties. Picking up trash, fixing what I can etc...after 3 weeks in an email to my boss and HR I asked for additional pay or bonus until they find someone. She came back with "you are salary and I don't have the authority to give you a raise or bonus but I do appreciate you".
@@lisalee2885 then you say, "Unfortunately since we have not changed the nature of my job with reasonable compensation, I refuse to do janitorial work. Moving forward, all complaints regarding maintenance will be handled by you, since you have the authority to make changes in this regard."
"I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!" "What?" "Yeah, I volunteer to be one of the six who are laid off. I'll get a severance package, right?" "Well..." "Yeah, and since I refuse to work for a reduction in pay..." "No, you won't be getting less money." "Except, I will, because you'll give me more work, which will require more hours, but at the same amount of daily pay, means I'm being paid less per hour, while having to do more work, facing more stress, more burn-out, and more temptation to DO SOMETHING about it, all with LESS ACTUAL HOURLY PAY. So, no, I'm not going to do that. I will take the severance package and go." "But, you're our most competent employee. You do all your assigned work right the first time, never missing a deadline. You're NOT on the list of lay-offs." "Well, you'd better PUT ME ON THE LIST, because I refuse to take on more work for less pay. If you want to PAY ME WHAT I AM WORTH, I would consider staying, assuming that the added work is NOT overwhelming, and that I can still maintain a reasonable amount of life/work balance, as well as more PTO to help deal with the stress of the added workload." "Nobody is getting more PTO. In fact, anyone below a managerial level..." "Oh, you did not just start to say that you're taking away PTO. Well, it doesn't matter TO ME, because I'm being laid off, anyway." "No, you're not on the list for the lay-offs. You're an excellent worker. Your quality is top-notch, and we need you here. We need you to provide that same level of quality to the increased workload." "You keep talking, but you don't listen. Either lay me off, or fire me for not doing my work, because I REFUSE TO DO MORE WORK THAN I AM CURRENTLY HANDLING. Either way, I'll get unemployment, at least." "But, we don't want you to leave. We want you to stay, and handle the increased workload. at your current excellent standard of quality." " "But you don't want to PAY ME for handling the increased workload at the excellent standard of quality." "Well, yes." "You get what you pay for. If you don't lay me off, then I will either do EXACTLY the same amount of work I am doing right now, at my excellent standard of quality, OR, I will do the additional workload, but all in the same amount of time, meaning that I maintain my hourly pay, by doing more in less time." "That's great! That's what I want to hear." "But doing it in a hurry will inevitably lead to a downturn in quality." "No, see, we want to keep YOU, because of your high quality product." "But you refuse to PAY for the high quality product." "No, we're paying you to perform at the same level of quality you are, right now." "Except you're giving me more work, without more pay, so my only option is to lower the quality, in order to get it all done in the same amount of time, so as to maintain my hourly rate of pay." "Nononono. You are supposed to take on the extra work, with a smile, and do it, to the same quality. Just put in some extra hours, to show your loyalty to the company." "And what is the company doing to show their loyalty to me?" "We're keeping you on. You're not on the list for lay-offs." "I volunteer for a layoff." "But, we don't want to lay you off!" "And I don't want to work more for less pay." "But, your contract states that you WILL take on more work as requested and required." "My contract states that I CAN LEAVE, because I am NOT your slave and legal property." "Well..." "Uh huh." "But..." "Figure it out for yourself. Pay me my worth, or don't pay me at all. There is no Door #3." "OK, so, the six people ON THE LIST will be let go, and their workloads will be divided up amongst all the other workers, EXCEPT VERONICA." All the other workers: "Oh, hell no! That's EVEN MORE extra work for no more pay! I VOLUNTEER FOR TRIBUTE!" "No,! FIRE ME!" "I DEMAND TO BE LAID OFF FIRST!"
Happened at my prev job 😂 the company was small and the boss / employer couldn't hire all the necessary staff to do the proper jobs, like no HR staff, no staff to properly keep the policies up to date, so he relied on us. He paid us to do admin and we ended up doing everything else too, half the team left.
lol no. Wait for them to fire the six people then leave AFTER that and try to get other people to leave with you. Extra points for organising to transition everyone directly to a competitor company.
@@solosynapse It is a civil issue to convince a large number of staff to go to a competitor. It's not illegal per se in that it isn't a crime, but it is lawsuit worthy.
Yep. Your co-worker called in tonight and we couldn't get anyone to cover for her so you'll be doing your 8-hours of work as well as her 8-hours, you won't receive any extra compensation nor will you be allowed to work over and claim any overtime. Have a great night. GO TEAM!!!
At my first job they had me doing 2 peoples job for 15 an hour bi weekly. I did it for 2.5 years bc I wanted to help out thinking it'll pay off but when I finally refused they still made me do it. At the end they never gave me a raise or promotion and I ended up getting fired due to coming in late bc of all the disrespect and being overworked
@@iskrajackal9049 Especially in bigger companies it's always an "abusive relationship". You may not get any bruises or scars from cigarette burns but your soul will get crushed either way.
A good manager ensures that the work load is manageable and not overbearing for its employees, at times boundaries must be pushed but always tries to ensure efficiency, productivity and manageable workloads An incompetent managers tells its employees to “figure it out. And keep it 8 hours, no paid OT”
Thats pretty spot on. At least, to the idea that they WOULD waste company time to explain this. They usually just speak this bull$#!t only when you ASK why you're told to carry the weight if staff positions no longer present . . . then they take the PTO, or go home EARLY, before they ignore your emails.
Hey, Starbucks! This is exactly what you are doing, fyi. Just in case you didn't realize what your decisions are doing to those of us that your company depends on to keep it running.
This is not new. In many job expectations and duties, there is a clause that reads "and other duties or tasks as needed." There is no elabration as to whether those tasks are temporary or permanent or relevant to your title or role to your job description/ skill set.
The discinnect in the minds of management is real and it is insane. Exactly how do you exoect this to work? If I take on more work from someone else... BOTH will suffer in quality as I still only have a fixed amount of time. More money doesnt change that but it offsets the suckage at least.
I am a little bit confused. Most of us, unless you are salary, are employed on a hourly basis. You can only do so much work in a single shift, usually 8hr with an unpaid 30min lunch break or a 8.5hr shift with an unpaid lunch break. It is up to your employer to decide what you do inside those 8 hours. IF you have additional duties, you are still getting paid and you are not working for free. However the imposition of additional duties will impact on the existing work you are doing. To use an analogy, if the cup is full then the cup is full. You can only add water if the cup is not already full. If you keep adding water once the cup is full then you will have a mess which you will have to clean up. Additional duties will impact on existing duties. As one manager put it - if you want to implement this project, please identify which projects you no longer need.....
Very much this. Whether Veronica spends 8 hours answering calls or 8 hours mopping floors, she gets paid for 8 hours. So she can shut up about extra compensation because she's still only doing 8 hours worth of work.
@@waltblackadar4690 so your time at home NOT doing work isnt valuable to yourself. The ability to be well rested and actually enjoy life occasionally, and not just sleep on your days off isnt in your playbook? I mean this vid seems like they will be extending hours to accomplish more work and while that is being paid its at your base rate, the math states your doing more and getting paid less for the time your spending working. Making like 87k on a 40 hour workweek is much more pay per hour than doing the same 87k on 60+ hours.
sounds like schools in Rowan Salisbury, teachers get before school duty and after school duty like taking tickets at sporting events with NO additional pay
Actually other duties as required only covers reasonable asks. You can't require a bookkeeper to do janitorial work for example. It's not a reasonable duty given their job standards. Additionally reasonable duties does restrict to the scope of the position at the time the person accepted the role. Of course you can refuse to do the work. They will fire you and lose the unemployment claim. Rarely do they win the other duties bullshit excuse. The government wants their cut so firing people and getting others to do the work with no additional taxes is not something the government likes. They don't care about the employee just the attempt to cheat them if they taxes they want to extort.
@@ca_kay Well you need to learn the difference between what a person can do and what a person can legally be required to do. Now in addition to my Masters in Forensic Accounting I also have a Masters in Human Resources. I also good business law as an elective at one of my Bachelors levels. I've been in executive leadership for over 20 years. Those are my qualifications to weigh in. Lets hear yours.
@@nrlatreille A company can legit change your job title and description when they want. Unless you signed a contract stating they can't do that, they can. But there are cases when you can get in trouble for not cleaning up even if it's not labeled janitorial work. This is what is happening to teachers because schools are limiting what janitors can and cannot do in classrooms.
@@ca_kay They can't legally just arbitrarily change your job description to suit their needs without all parties agreeing. Teachers are a very bad example as they operate under a very different set of rules vs. the corporate world. In the real working world you can't just decide as a company to fire all your janitors then tell all your finance staff that hey we are going to rewrite your job description to now include janitorial. These concepts are pretty well defined by the US Department of Labor as well as many states in rules absolutely preventing these kinds of actions by companies. Other duties as assigned must be within a typical range of duties for a given profession and is subject to a reason test. For an accounting professional who typically is required to obtain an accounting degree of some kind for their given profession and therefore is considered a professional employee. A janitorial employee is generally consider a typical labor employee i.e. not requiring a degree to perform said duties. Those who positions are not even similar in terms of qualifications and therefore an accounting professional can legally refuse to perform janitorial duties as not legitimate "other duties as assigned". Let me flip the script. Can a doctors office as a janitorial employee to assist in surgery as "other duties as assigned"? How about requiring the doctor to mop floors? A job description upon hire is not technically a contract but it is an agreement and like any agreement you cannot just change it whenever you feel like it without both parties agreeing to it. You might want to also look into basic contract law and how it can be applicable in employment agreements.
In reality the manager would have laid those people off in private meetings before sending out an email that “person x’s contract isn’t being extended this year.” And they might blame undefined people higher up for the decision. Or if they’re less tactful they could just say “there are too many of you” and that person x had been doing their job, but had not lived up to (undefined) expectations. So they had to go. “It’s a business, after all”. Oh and person x had to train an “assistant” to “help” fill their role for 2 weeks before they were told they were being laid off.
Sadly these sorts of meetings rarely if ever happen. Don't get me wrong it would be an improvement over the random global email that says tomorrow everyone is getting an email from HR. Because corporate won't know what people will do out of spite and the manager won't even know if their safe. Wait did I say email? You learn when your email and door RFID card is disabled.
I have the same in my contract, other duties as required, however it does not state ongoing, flick an email pose the question, when is a replacement being organised, when this duty/duties were clearly being undertaken by another individual. If your in the union flick email there and watch the shit hit the fan
