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Toyota has all the tech necessary to make the best EV out there. They are just waiting for the right time to make one. Anyone remember how much more it costs to get a Toyota Hybrid 20 years ago?now it costs essentially the same as a conventional engine car.
This definitely feels like Toyota telling everyone "fine, you asked for an ev, you get an ev and all its shortcomings." Just to compare it to what they can do with a hybrid.
They definitely halfassed it. Everyone else was making an EV, so they just slapped something together to give people what they want. They know electric cars are a temporary fad and that hybrids will be the norm for the foreseeable future. They could definitely make an amazing EV if they tried.
They've been sandbagging their EV efforts since they divested from Tesla, thanks mostly to Akio Toyoda's intransigence. This is a indeed a sorry effort in the drivetrain department, though.
It's an effort from Toyota to tell everyone: "see?!! EVs suck, don't buy EVs, buy our classic cars and hybrids instead and don't buy EVs, ok?, and if you still want EVs wait for our imaginary solid state battery, only 10 years we promise."
I had a front-wheel drive BZ4X for seven months. I agree with the reviewer here--it drove beautifully. It was comfortable, solid, spacious, and quick. It drove like a Toyota. It was well-made (piano black notwithstanding). I bought the front-wheel drive version for the 252-mile range and the promised 30-minute charging from 20 to 80 percent. Then I took it on my first road trip in the cool weather. At 55 degrees (not that cold), I got no more than 60kw charging speed (out of a promised 150), and it dropped from there. It took me 25 minutes to add 30% battery charge. Had I needed a full charge, it would have taken well over an hour. In my warm-weather road trip in September, the car charged as promised. But I realized that this car simply can't manage road trips in anything but summer weather--unless I was willing to wait for an hour to an hour and a half to charge. One thing the reviewer did not mention is that the BZ4X does not have battery preconditioning, so the temperature will greatly affect charging speeds. If it's at all cool out, this thing will charge at the pace of a snail. I loved this car, but it made me really angry that the car fell so short of its promise. I could not continue making payments on a car that I could not take on a road trip. I traded it for a Kia EV6--longer range, much quicker charging speeds, with battery preconditioning. The reviewer is right here--the range and charging speeds are deal-breakers if you want to be able to use a BZ for road trips. If you just want a 200-mile EV that you charge at home, it's excellent. Just think that through carefully before buying.
@@lassikinnunen Not THAT hard. Tesla supercharger version 2 (we're about to get V4) is 150kw. You can get to most places (in the US - where charging is harder than in Europe) purely on V3 chargers. If you include V2 chargers, that's gotta be 80%+ of the US, if not more. The deal breaker here is the lack of battery pre-conditioning, which is a clear sign that Toyota skimped out on the thermal management and battery management that is a key component in what makes top-rated EVs do well. It's not even half-assed.. it's just a weird omission. We figured this out almost a decade ago.
@@Cyrribrae the tesla superchargers don't just plain exist in most of the world, say for thailand theres only token amounts at a few malls (teslas static map preview has them littered throughout the country tho lol but if you look at the list its a different story. I dunno where you got the info that finding chargers that would agree to give 100kw would be easier in europe vs. Older chargers. Level 2 chargers are most common and do a bit over 20kw. It counts as level 3 already as 50kw. Part of this is that in 220v countries level 2 is really cheap to install and wire up for. It should be noted that for example mg calls their stations superchargers as well even if they do just that 20kw
The range isn't the problem. It's the fact that it CANNOT be used for road trips as the battery locks you out if you fast charge more than once in a 10 hour period. Insane
And that the fast charging performance is pretty horrible in the first place, even after the updates it got for 2024 it massively underperforms when charging, worst in class.
Just heard from a friend with a BMW i4 M50 with the same BS issue - it locked him out of DCFC after 5 charging stops while road tripping... he had to limp to an AC charger to "reset" his BMW's ability to DCFC again. Crazy!
I drove a 2005 Prius for fifteen years, and when it came time to replace it with something with more clearance for camping trips, I was super excited about the BZ4X. And then ran smack into the same problem: the range. You can't drive it far enough to really get to the backcountry from home, and you can't charge it fast enough to just do a pitstop at the last edge of civilization. So instead we got a Rav4 Prime (with 650 miles of range between the tank + the battery) and it's been perfect. Enough battery to never burn gas for daily trips around town; enough gas to never be stranded on the big trips. Edit: I should add: we're a single-car family. If we were willing to have two cars, one would absolutely be full electric. And we do gas-burning trips at least every other week, between skiing in the winter and camping in the summer, so just renting/borrowing a gas car for rare long trips isn't an option either. Anyway, i really look forward to this country having ubiquitous charging infrastructure... someday...
A R1S with the largest battery is probably the best EV for that use case. Quite expensive, obviously - I do think this is one of the use cases where EVs perform the worst today.
@RussC-engineer the problem with plugin hybrid is it cost way more than a regular hybrid. People would rather spend $5k less for a normal hybrid. Also you would have to charge it every night and some people dont want to spend $5k to get an electrician to install a charging system. $10k for a plugin is too much. You rather just go full electric at that point.
I have the RZ450e, the Lexus version of this. Its range is even less than the BZ4X, but I got it for $16k off the lease price because nobody is buying them - people want the RX350h or RX450h which are ~$20-25k more expensive. With the RZ450e, you automatically get "Lexus Reserve", a program good for 3 years where you can get a loaner Lexus (ICE) car if you want to take a road trip - at no additional cost. 30 days total, so I could easily take four 7-day road trips over 3 years. With this I took a 10k mileage lease. I don't take a ton of road trips, so this is good enough for me.
Just my 2 cents as someone who has owned a 225mi range EV for about 8 years (2015 model s). If you can charge at home, for us even when commuting 120mi a day to work, it works perfectly. For the 1 time a year when it’s not enough, use the other car. But I won’t buy a car based on .3% of its usage. If we did, we would own a giant cab long bed diesel truck (great for those who do, it’s not for us). As for comparing it to its competitors, totally, range is a great metric. But 250mi of range doesn’t make it a deal killer for me.
A lot of people aren't even demanding range for the 0.3% use case, they're demanding it for the theoretical use case that they literally never actually do. Problem is, because so many people are demanding that range, no major manufacturer is willing to bring small, light EVs out.
This is the thing that most EV advocates miss, they are not suitable for all use cases. Likewise opponents fail to grasps that they are suitable for a wide range of use cases. Neither group seems particularly interested in focusing anywhere except on the corner cases. In my household my wife could easily get by on 200 miles of range and not need to charge daily. With daily charging this could absorb much of my daily driving. Where EV's fail me is in my frequent longer duration driving and towing requirements. At the moment I have no compelling reasons to replace any of my vehicles and sadly if I did there are no EV's I find both interesting and suitable enough to seriously consider.
I have had Teslas since 2013, and now my third car, which is an ICE car, will be gone. I have only twice experienced range anxiety in the last 11 years, both on long road trips. That tells you how minuscule the perceived range problem really is. Both times, I was driving my smaller range car. (200 mile, 60 KWh battery Model S) My 2018 Model 3 goes at least 280 miles real world range with full load of passengers at 75-77 mph on the freeways. With my 3, NEVER experienced range anxiety.
@@MoreBollocks-ui2zs Yes, full EVs are not for everyone, but good thing is that hybrid cars are pretty efficient too and have all the advantages of gas cars. Despite that, a lot of people could perfectly live with a shorter range EV.
Rode in a BZ4X used as a taxi/ ride share recently while in Portugal. Seemed like a good use for the car - probably will last forever in that kind of use. Even longer than a Prius. Comfortable and very quiet but otherwise unremarkable - typical Toyota.
But all other Toyotas are practically the best in class cars, this is just a poor attempt to save skin with the investors since they bet all their money on hydrogen and are failing now
It's not a bad car for someone who doesn't need more range, but you could get as good an EV from anyone else for less money, so why get the Busy Forks? And honestly, the range is so low that some taxis would exceed it daily (especially in colder climes), and then you'd have to deal with the terrible DC charging.
It's not a great use for this car. A taxi will likely need to be topped up a few times per day. The BZ4X charges VERY SLOWLY, even on DC fast chargers. Toyota obviously doesn't care about EVs and didn't try with this one.
I bought one 2 weeks ago. $200/month lease. The free charging for a year makes it a steal. I have the XLE and the Toyota dealers in Northern California are giving up to $20k in incentives. Don’t let the range turn you away. I get 220-230 miles real world. Between the level 2 charger they gave me and the free public charging I don’t worry about the range at all.
@@pdaoust007 you forgot the key feature for the Toyota vs Cybertruck (Tesla in general)......the panels line up 😂.....oh and you can take it through a carwash....let's not forget that you'll probably end up on death row when your Cybertruck's pedal gets stuck to the ground and you plow over another car or pedestrians. I'll gladly drive a Toyota over a Tesla any day of my lifetime. I'd rather have a Hybrid for the foreseeable future, at least until all the annoyances of electric are resolved i.e. charging times, charging stations being more prevalent, charging stations that aren't constantly out of service, etc
Would you rather it be matte or low gloss and it shows up all the finger smears and collects lint after 2-3 days of being garaged worse than static cling ?
I work at a Toyota dealership and I usually use ours to do little errands around the city and it’s my first choice other than a PHEV Prius to take out when I handover new cars outside of our showroom (public parking is free for electric vehicles here). The range is an issue yes, and I wouldn’t recommend our customers to get one for that exact one reason, but for city use it is a pretty good driving experience. Handling, acceleration, comfort, luggage space and most importantly tech are all great in my opinion, our drive assist system is s godsend by our engineers in heavy traffic. It’s just a shame it can’t be driven over longer trips, if the bZ4X could do that I would probably prefer it over our other models
It's a piece of Toyota junk. Over 4 months to solve the falling off wheel? Just an excuse to pull it off the market. Just like the GM Blazer EV, another piece of junk. I know because I used to own a 2020 Kona EV and then a 2022 Ioniq 5 EV. This BZ4X is competing against the Kona and Bolt EVs with its crappy range.
@@misaelramos83 You do know that Hyundai can't even repair the Ioniq 6 battery. Don't damage the underside otherwise you could be in a world of hurt. One of the reasons I got rid of the Ioniq 5 EV. Excellent cars but ...
I just leased a 2024 Bz4x FWD for $220 per month for 36 months and 12k miles per year and $0 at signing out the door on top of a 1 year free complimentary super charge at EVgo. You're correct with the DC charging speed and range, but it's a huge upgrade for me in term of a commute vehicle from a 2005 Toyota sienna van. I have solar panels on my house's roof & L2 charging and also Tesla M3 and MY in my family.
My Bolt EUV gets about that range (in real world conditions), and it is a slight bummer. It still meets 99% of my everyday needs, but an extra 50-75 miles would make it almost a zero- compromise car. But, it was $10-20k less than the longer-range alternatives, which is why I'm fine with it. For that money, I can easily justify borrowing or renting a car when I need to make a road trip. This car doesn't have that .
Same here, I do about 100ish miles a day when i work, so its totally doable, and can handle 99% of my day trips on a single charge without issue. That said, my EUV premiere with super cruise and sun and sound would be 11k more to match with the Toyota.
If an EV owner charges at home every night I don’t see a big difference between a 200 and 300 range. The smaller battery would make it way less expensive. You just have to occasionally rent an ICE for long trips.
I would say the main benefit is faster charging to 80% Generally the smaller range is probably fine for most people though. I wish it wasn't the main marketing number that it is.
Plus the bolt was eligible for the tax credit, effectively making it like $20 - $25k less. I looked at this when I bought my bolt and it was a complete no-brainer, even though I was trading in a Prius. It didn't help that the Prius had less than $80k miles and a leaking head gasket that cost $5k to fix.
Right now until the end of April 2024 they have extremely affordable lease deals on 2023 and 2024 models under $200/month. It may not be the best electric but at that lease price point its a great introduction to evs for people concerned about price.
@@rantlyyDepends, if you plan on leasing a vehicle for a year or 2 and then handing it back a really low lease payment is very attractive, assuming those rates are available on shorter leases. Depending on what car you're moving from it might even start to make financial sense for some people
I pay $210 on gas alone a month, and electricity cost is pretty low in my area. The lease cost would literally be nothing and will give me a chance to see if I like the car, or see if Toyota makes something better, or just all out bail by the end 🤣 Charging at home and my 45 mile daily commute can definitely justify giving this car a chance. I have a Honda Civic as a back up for anything that may require more than 220 miles 🤔. But that's at best once a year 😅
My brother and his friends drove from Accra, Ghana, through West Africa to Morocco, Spain, Switzerland, France, all the way to London. They drove 3 Toyota Land Cruisers, a Lexus RX350, Ford Raptor, and a G-Wagon. They did this in 16 days or less. I wonder how long it is going to take me drive from Accra, Ghana, to London with an EV. Well!!!
I have been driving a BZ4X for about 6 months and 7500 km. I agree 100% with you on everything you mentioned in your video. I have the AWD and it's great during winter, no problems with snow or ice. ( I live in Norway). Oddly enough this is the second best selling car in February and March 2024 (behind the model Y) here in Norway. This is probably due to some good financing deals in addition to the very good performance in snow. (but charging in cold weather is super slow)
Sounds like it's best for those with an attached garage that doesn't get that cold then. Performance in the ice and snow is mostly dictated by having good snow tires mounted which are likely mandatory in your climate.
@@Dzinbhudist I don't know about Norway cold, but here in the Utah mountains, where it's below freezing overnight (when I'm charging) for 6 months out of the year, we charge this car overnight from 20% or 30% with no problems (except the one time my wife didn't click the EVSE plug in all the way).
@@JCintheBCC-13f and toyota slow or stops to charge, tesla without any problem… many complains about check youtube for cold charge, it is so bizarre to see from toyota as electricity pioneer… range drops more than half…
FWIW, they claim the slow charge is to extend battery life. I think they expect their customers to expect that this car can run for 100k miles/150k km without major repairs (like having to replace the battery).
One pedal driving when done well (2023 Volvo XC40 Twin) is one of the best features of driving the EV. From driving away to precise stoping with just one foot, as well as slowing down (regenerating battery at the same time) is so nice!
I haven't watched yet, but I know we don't have to worry about fall out similar to Fisker, because Toyota didn't want this car to succeed. They probably saw the Fisker review and said hurry up and send him ours. 😂🤣😂
Such short term thinking isn't it. I seriously hope for their sake they're actually developing a properly competitive EV behind the scenes ready for a few years time when the market accepts hybrids as the stepping stone they always have been.
@@HoltAlexToyota knows what it’s doing and when times comes it makes something better than anything Toyota created hybrids in 90s when market demands Toyota delivered mark my words Toyota will come something much better than these batteries cars anyway can’t be charged because lack of infrastructure and most Electricity produced by burning coal 🤡
I feel like the Fisker Review was pretty positive overall. Just titled negative. It wasn't all positive, but Fisker that made the Karma failed fast too.....
I have one and I love it. I don't use it for trips if I have to fast charge more than once. So far it hasn't been limiting. Some people are just obsessed at range and charging speed. Don't get me wrong if you own a single car and road trip a lot don't get this car, but as a commuter, daily driver and trips less than 500km it's fantastic.
I have one and I like it my wife loves it but I do agree the range is the Aquiles we went from LA to Vegas and it gave us so much range anxiety! However as a daily commute is fine ! However I loved my moms RAV4 prime we end up borrowing that one for long trips lol
Two things- 1. when will you review Aptera? 2. With the bz4x another major issue was range degradation while using AC/Heat. I remember reading or watching something and people complaining that once you turned on heat/AC you’d lose like 40-50 miles of range. Did you experience that?
Marques doesn’t seem to get pre-launch review cars, so probably will be quite a while until he reviews Aptera, a few months after customers start getting theirs at the soonest I would guess.
i think the heater situation is exaggerated, if you need to have that strong of the heater, means you are in a very cold place, then your battery life suffers due to the environment, same with all other EVs. It's just that Bz4X has a smaller range, to begin with, it makes it sound worse.
@@Enhydra_l >> Marques doesn’t seem to get pre-launch review cars Markes was one the three pre-viewer of the Cybertruck, he was an embargo with Mercedes EQS, Rivian R3 and R4... By opposition, Fisker didn't want to give him a car... so he got the Ocean from a friend... and didn't said good words about Fisker .... !!!
Got the Lexus RZ 2 months ago and last month got the NEMA 14-50 outlet and Emporia L2 charger. I don’t drive a lot so 220 miles is plenty for me, and we have a hybrid for road trips. I love driving the RZ. So much fun. They do need to improve range and charge speed for future models and compete with other brands, and I’m sure they will. I was happy to lease the RZ with the 15k off the price tag, but I wouldn’t go full price.
Toyota doesn’t WANT to make one. They were essentially forced to make one. They are heavily investing in hybrids and that’s working out great for them. Look at the RAV4, Highlander, Prius, the new Camry, the tundra/tacoma/4runner becoming hybrid. Hybrids make a lot more sense for a LOT more people. And I’m pro EV! After living with one for a week twice on vacation, I realized it’s not for me. Not yet….
It’s like Toyota said, the road to zero emissions will not only consist of BEV but also HEV, Hydrogen and synthetic fuels. Boy did libtards roast Toyota for this. And look now what is selling like hotcakes….😂😂😂😂
@@miggitymikebdoesn't help a ton with mpg? What statistics are you looking at? I'm seeing as much as a 50% mpg improvement compared to their non hybrids
Probably appealing for kids or enthusiastic Sci-Fi fans. My reaction was 🤢🤮 because it is the complete opposite of classy, and basically just painful to look at...
Drove one of these yesterday for the first time. Acceptable power around town, but not much reserve at freeway speeds. Great seat and strong A/C. Surprisingly low range. Dated-looking piano black everywhere. Not nearly as solid and refined as same-price base Mach-E Select I drove the day before.
The lease deals on these and the Solterra AWD are amazing. I got the solterra for $300/month, 36 months, 15k miles a year, and only $1400 out of pocket 1st payment included.
I picked up my bcx4 this week they were running a huge leasing fire sale !basically costing me 330 no money down no due on signing and includes taxes fees. 36 months/ 10k per year. For my usage was perfect. I only drive to school and work . Then back home to charge overnight with level 1 charging.
probably important to mention for most people, the Denvik inflator isn't the best option. What I would always recommend instead, is to purchase an option with *both* an air compressor and jump starter leads for when your 12v battery dies, which are often available for the same price or even less than the one advertised here.
As people is understanding that EV are coll and everything, they are also understanding the technology and the infrastructure isn't quite there right now, so I believe that Hybrids in a few years would be the next big thing for the next 10 or even 15 years until the EV tech and the infrastructure is actually in the needed spot.
@@Jst4vdeos People forget Toyota has been making hybrids since the 1990s and every generation has refined and improved the system. Theyve proven themselves to be extremely reliable and efficient option. With the battery components alone you can make 10 hybrids for every 1 EV. They make the most sense for the most people and will be the future of the car industry for the next decade. Even with Government incentives and mandates pushing for EV adoption, at the end of the day the consumers drive the industry and right now its towards hybrid not full EV.
Here's what a Toyota factory manager told me when I visted him in their plant in Indonesia. This was during all the EV hype about 3-4 years ago. We were targeting auto manufacturers to try and get them to invest in some new EV related equipment. The Japanese guy who was one of the top dude in Toyota Indonesia just told me when I asked him "so is Toyota producing EVs in Japan?" he just informed to me "they have no interest in EVs, it's a technology in its infancy still, and they feel that there will be too much R&D involved to get it to a level where people will be happy with the tech. Also, they don't trust the tech to be "green" enough. The battery is definitely cleaner than a petrol car, but it's not gonna be clean when you remove it from the car when the car is scrapped or goes to the dump.
fair point about range limitations, but if you live in a house (not apartments), you can charge nightly, and how much driving do you do daily in the metro ? 60-90 miles ?
Honestly, this is a great car that drives nice, very comfortable, and quiet. Toyota's conservative merits will shine over time with reliability, factory support, and low battery degradation. Fair review overall, but no one talks about the huge battery buffer on the top and bottom of the battery range. Because the buffer is larger than most, it appears that the range is less and Toyota gets dinged for that. Use an OBDII reader and you can see 0% on the battery indicator still means 8-9% battery left or about 20 miles. That is a conservative way to make sure your drivers don't get stranded. As for charging, the 2024s have been improved over the 2023s in that both FWD and AWD are rated at 150kW w a 7.6kwh on board charging and enhanced heating and cooling for the battery. 10-80% takes about 35 minutes- so not the fastest but not a deal breaker.
Wow 150KW charging ... that's fantastic, for 2017. Don't believe the numbers until you see the charging curve and find out it only charges at that speed for 5 minutes and then tapers off.
@@ScubaSteveCanada5% or less of the public chargers are 350kWh- not including Tesla SC’ers. Otherwise we are lucky to be on a 100kWh and we are most likely on 50kWh. So in that regard, on the 100s and 50s, we are all maxing out the speed sans Leafs, Bolts, Niros or PHEVs. Add charging from home and you are talking about less than 5% (being generous here) of your charging needs. It’s a great car but it’s not for everyone and it’s definitely the highest spec’d.
I love mine...I use it for commuting and it has saved me so much on gas with the free 1 year complimentary charging. Would I take this on a long road trip? No but I know what I signed up for and what I had envisioned the intended use for the vehicle. Build quality is great and could'nt be happier.
This is definitely a compliance car, when it firs came out it had such bad range that people started questioning if they lied about the size of the battery and I think there was even a lawsuit. But we'll never know since they recalled all of these early models and switched them with new ones. Even the charging seems like a scam, they say it's 150kW but some reviewers couldn't get more than 60kW on any charger.
I've seen higher than that rate on ours. And they unlocked more of the battery capacity. The early ones enforced a 70% usable battery to guarantee the life of the battery.
I drive hybrid venza and I don’t even want an “upgrade” rav4 and venza are beautiful cars. The new rav4 could use a visual rework cuz it’s kinda ugly tho.
Hybrids make a lot more sense for most people. No range anxiety, good pricing, cheaper battery replacement if necessary. For every EV Toyota makes, they could've made 90 hybrids instead in terms of battery materials
Nice review ..... I love my 2023 Corolla Hybrid AWD LE ..... When I fill up it says it has 500+ miles to go and the gas mileage is absolutely fantastic ..... I will probably go BEV one of these days but with the current Lithium battery technology they are using with all of it's drawbacks (Slow charging,Low miles per charge and weather debacle)I think right now hybrid is the way to go.
I really enjoyed this review. The more I have considered an EV the more I think I simply don't want a 400 mile range, I simply don't want to lug around an enormous battery when most of my daily journeys are well under 50 miles. For the times I do do more than 300 miles, which is so rare, maybe twice a year, I don't mind a quick charging stop. Also, it depends on your country of course and what kind of service centres are available, but in general the bigger batteries cost more to replace if the worst does happen out of warranty.
@@jamie-ck6js Yea. Though. If I'm doing 600 miles with kids in the car, I'm probably not making it that far without a stop anyway lol. If the Kia EV9 were cheaper, that's probably where I would go. Plenty of room and comfort and tech for the family, lots of range, good charging curve (two 20-30 minutes stops for 600 mile journey), comfortable drive, pretty solid driver assistance features. When we're talking a 8 hour drive, a few 30 minute stops along the way seems like a feature not a bug lol.
_The more I have considered an EV the more I think I simply don't want a 400 mile range, I simply don't want to lug around an enormous battery when most of my daily journeys are well under 50 miles_ Well said. But most people don't think that through, and don't realize how much more they are paying for electricity than they would need to if they had a smaller battery. I think two-car families that expect to road trip at least 300 miles once every month or two should keep an ICE in the garage, or at least a Hybrid.
Having bought one recently here in Norway I am just SO happy that reviews like this one has been floating around more or less since the bZ4X came out! Seriously. Thank you. Why? We got (in Norway) the absolutely best spec'ed crossover (bZ4X executive bitone AWD) in our price range WAY below mrsp thanks to you automotive "experts". We concidered many others, but why should we pay (way) more for less equipment, shorter warranty, more or less same range and base our choice on mainly subjective critisim on a car made on the best factory in the world (Aichi, Japan). Of course Toyota helped in the start with the software blunders, but that is an issue of the past now. For me, the car could be named Winnie the pooh 2.0. I could not care less. Most important? Solid factual quality that lasts. Good honest service. Which for us made the MY LR a no go. And why should we pay way more (here) for same specs from MB, Hyundai, VW or Kia with less warranty? I have had prior taxi-driven Toyotas since 1998. Never ever have we had an issue (on 120.000 miles+ cars owned from 3-4 to 6-8 yrs) that would even remotely be concidered as a warrany issue. Never. So again, good build quality, reliabilty, super low deappriciation and good service has been our focus. This time was very different however. 1. Taxis don't deappriciate like they did (marketsituation here now), 2. Used low miles 2020-21 RAV4 prime (limited/bitone executive that we looked for) has only fallen 16-22% here since new. Way too little on Taxies too. 3. They incrased purchasetax on PHEV here gradually from 2022... So. Next owner will be hit at some point. BC they don't sell anymore, and which three-four yr. old Toyota SUV/AWD can be bought used (here) in three-four yrs? ?? With the help from you lot, we got a brand new (10 km) import for 9.000$ less than a used 2020-21 RAV4 prime with 30.000 miles. And 12.000$ less than the mrsp on the car we bought. So. Thank you. And beeing a german-sold our car has 15 (!) YEARS/250.000 km (incl battery) warranty with the german Toyota Relax program (10 yrs rest of Europe, but I suspect they will come too). So when all others really start to deappriciate more than ICE after 5-7 yrs we will still have 8-10 yrs warranty left as long as we service it. Could not be more happy! So buy one, loose the 20" wheels (if fitted) and enjoy it for many years to come. Most people want a reliable car for every day use. That is why Toyota sold most cars world wide in 2023. Important note: All that beeing said, I would NOT have concidered the bZ4X if it came with the slow charging 72,0 Kw battery you seem to get in the US. So that is a valid point if you have long trips. In Europe it is fitted with a 71,4 Kw battery that gives a max charge speed of 147 Kw in mild/normal conditions. (See Björn Nyland bz4x 1000 km test with new software). German Toyota Relax: www.toyota.de/content/dam/toyota/nmsc/germany/zubehoer-service/garantie/Toyota_Relax_Garantiebedingungen_September_2023.pdf Thank you again ;)
Not surprised Toyota would make a mediocre EV after failing to push Hydrogen. Also them being anti-EV doesn’t help. Their hybrids are better, they should stick to that for the foreseeable future.
@@SinSupreme And, why do you think that was? Lack of hydrogen fueling stations? Inability to produce hydrogen economically? Toyota control the Japanese auto makers with Nissan being the only other company to produce a hydrogen vehicle. It failed too to achieve any type of acceptance.
I've been looking into this car just yesterday, I'm so happy you're covering it now. If they sell it cheap enough I'd go for it, but like you said there's a lot of stuff that makes me unsure about it
@@philistine3260people are keep complaining stupid things about mkbhd. Like “ he is bankrupting companies “ stuff. All his review are true For example the fisker suv has a lot of bugs and problems and yet people keep complaining
Lol not Toyota, I think everyone knows this car is horrible. I've only seen one and it was last night and I was confused what the hell it was. The range is the issue for the price.
RAV4 Prime was the way to go for me. Just makes more sense and I'm still avoiding the gas station. Easily over 1000miles between fill-ups. I enjoyed driving the SOLTERRA in California as a rental, but I agree, the range is an issue. This car would work on the west coast where chargers are everywhere.
we got a standard range ioniq 5 that only has about 350km of range. Its our daily driver, were not road trippers, might go on a 200-300 km trip every couple of months, it's just a 20 min charge to get up to 80% again which is fine cuz we need a break to about halfway.
To be fair, EVs in general are more common in California than any state, so I can see why. EVs are really common here in the Northeast as well, but still not as common as in Cali. I have seen only 1 BZ4X here but tons of Tesla, Rivian, Hyundai, and Kia EVs.
Well yea, California has regulations about needing to sell a certain number of zero emission vehicles. That's why compliance cars are often only sold in California (ex. the hydrogen vehicles made by Hyundai and Toyota).
@@eyelikescifi I believe Juneau, Alaska is the city with the highest number of EVs per capita right now. A couple factors contribute to this: Juneau isn't connected to the main road grid, so you literally can't drive more than 60 miles in a single direction, and that's only if want to get to a specific boat ramp, so range anxiety basically doesn't exist. Juneau's power grid is also 100% hydro, so there's a stronger motivation to get off gas because you know you're charging with clean energy. Also, gas is stupid expensive for a city of Juneau's size. That said, we've got a metric buttload of aging Leafs on the road, though I think the number of Bolts has recently overtaken them. Various Teslas aren't uncommon, and I think there are probably two or three Rivians in town and some VW IDs. Solterras have been popping up a lot in the last few months. I've seen at least one Ioniq 5. In general, I think the "budget" EV is what's going to lead the market once range gets a little better. But again, Juneau's a unique environment, and I'm not sure our motivators match the rest of the country.
In NJ, its mostly tesla's. They are like the honda civic of EVs here. In order of abundance I see on my daily commute are Tesla, Hyundai/Kia, Rivian, Ford, Toyota/Subaru, Polestar, Porche, and then Lucid.
Your comments on Toyotas bz4x are dead on! The Toyoyta bz4x is the best E.V. vehicle to lease right now. No other E.V. in its class will for 3 yrs and I mean, minimal costs, help you navigate, have fun, and learn how inexpensive an electric vehicle is. I have driven and own an E.V. now for over seven yrs. This vehicle makes perfect sense for anyone who is a homeowner and has Solar and Electric Charging system in there home. My wife and I rarely commute more than 75 miles daily. The charging limitations, I believe, are by design and on purpose by Toyota. Toyota, I believe, does not want to deal with any long term battery issues with an entry E.V. So, again, I believe, pre-programmed this bz4x with olgorithyms to protect the battery system. I believe, and have no proof that Toyota's marketing Strategy is 100% on centrated on its HYBRIDS. As a majority of drivers, renters and home owners still do not have access to affordable E.V. charging. The best way for these folks to combat affordability and fuel costs are HYBRIDS!!!
It’s weird that there aren’t many ads in the us, because here in australia there is insane marketing budget being spent on this car. Like every ad break on multiple channels and billboards
I bought a new family vehicle last year and we settled on a Toyota Sienna Hybrid. It was my first hybrid and I love it. For a minivan to get 950km (590 miles) on a tank of gas is great. It's comfortable and Toyota has been making hybrids for over 20 years now, so there's some peace of mind. I feel like Toyota is waiting for that leap in battery tech for electrification. They've also been hedging their bets with hydrogen as well.
And outside north america, they also have a line of turbodiesels. 2.4 n 2.8 inline 4, 3.3 V6 and a 4.5 V8 (i think that V8 is defunct now since the 3.3 V6 came out).
It's more like they were counting on hydrogen taking off, even though it was obvious it never would. That's why they delayed making BEV's, and have gotten so behind (same as Honda).
@@concinnus It's fine to be behind on a technology that won't take off for another 15 years... The only people that want EVs are early adopters and they've already got their Teslas by now. All the legacy car companies that spent money on EVs are now really regretting "getting ahead" putting money into R&D that won't generate any returns.
Just remember to dump it 2-30,000 miles before it hits 100,000 mile. Every Hybrid from Toyota needs new battery cells around 100,000 miles (some Prius needs new battery cells well before 100,000 mile) and it's more expensive to replace them than to rebuild an engine. And if you are holding the bag when new battery cells are needed, that will wipe out any savings your Hybrid got you. Hybrids are the most economical (yes, better than ICE) options as long as you don't end up changing the battery cells.
@@mspsys our 2012 Prius has like 140k mi and it's running fine avg 50mpg, it was even in a major accident almost a decade ago where the front axle got bent. at this point it's done its job, and when the battery goes out it would be time to retire
I test drove a Solterra which is the same car by Subaru and it felt solid and the drive was pleasant and smooth. I also test drive a Tesla Y and a Kia EV6 and they're braking was too sensitive and jerky compared to the smooth ride of the Solterra.
You should come to Norway and see everything they built here for Electric cars, of course the scale is 1/20 of USA but it's nice to see all the different cars and brands. We have the BZ4X here, not the most popular and they had a pretty big problem with the first units, the bolts of the wheels were breaking off :D
Forget Norway which does not reflect reality in North America. Come to Canada instead and see EV owners are still treated like 3rd class citizens where the charging stations have no facilities for weather cover, windshield cleaning, garbage cans, washrooms close by, restaurants close by ... ah, it's simply marvelous and why I no longer use any EV but a hybrid.
Count how many times each drive you go to touch the screen and miss it and hit beside it. You literally have to take your eye off the road to be accurate and that compromises safety. The move back to discreet buttons is already happening for the most common functions.
I want this format to evolve into a mid testing video. Starting the same way but also having a “let’s drive with it” A real tech moment with all the screen and how’s functioning by going through some categories, the “how long is charging” by having a charge sections like in real life, maybe a little road trip and charging and going back to see how everything is working over all
Those videos do exists. For electric cars (including this one) check out Teslabjorn's (aka Bjorn Nyland) videos, he does 1K km drives and compares them, which usually highlights the weaknesses of the vehicles. He does charging session comparisons, he compares efficiency at 90 km/h and 120 km/h, he compares usability with the infamous banana box test, he drives the cars until they stop (in a controlled way), so that you get an idea about what to expect, will the car warn you or just shuts down, etc. He coined the terms rapidgate (limiting charging power because the battery gets too hot, due to aggressive driving or charging) and colgate (limiting charge because the battery is too cold, due to extreme weather and the car's systems lacking heating and heat scavenging to counter it, in combination or not with garbage software for the battery heat management). For EV's at least, you're covered.
I’ve had my BZ4X for over a year now. Excellent city car but not a car for extended long trips. Not an issue as my other car is a PHEV. Toyota is right in going all in on hybrids. It makes more sense to sell many hybrids as opposed to a few EV’s.
Not every EV needs to have a long range I suppose, there should be a market for cars with shorter ranges. But only if the price matches the reduced range.
Certain long range cars hit a price point by compromising something else. Torque, space, software, etc. A good fundamentals with meh range should be preferred over range at any cost.
I agree. I could see a smaller/medium sized car with good fundamentals, but quite low range be popular for people who live in densely populated smaller areas/cities etc.@@Braiam
@@BraiamExcept all of the bZ4Xs competition with much longer range also have more torque, more space, better software AND charge much faster for the same price or less. The bZ4X is just a pathetic EV by all means.
The one reviewer that was ruthless to the Fisker, was the ONLY reviewer that wasn't ruthless to the bZ4x. I'm glad Marquez understood that the fundamentals here are pretty good, the only real gripe is range, which doesn't really matter for city people or homeowners.
@StephenShawCanada screw fast charging. Lvl2 is where it's at. Fast charging is almost never free and it's bad for the battery. Not like I'm going road tripping in my ev.
@@GaryKetchum808 You obviously have never been on a road trip have you? Oh, I loved waiting 30 minutes for my Kona EV to get enough charge so that I could reach the next charging station to wait another 30 minutes. Such fun in the winter. Such fun in the cold wind. I loved it soooo much I got the much faster charging Ioniq 5 EV only to realize, the charging infrastructure sucks, Hyundai can't even repair their own battery, maintenance costs were much higher than expected. It was quiet though. Lvl 2 was what I had at home. Kind of difficult to charge at home during a road trip. Your opinion is uneducated in terms of EVs.
@StephenShawCanada what? I said fast charging is unnecessary. Lvl2 can top you off overnight on most cars. Only real reason for fast charging is roadtripping.
Heed this advice. Don't buy one. If you really, really want one, lease it. The competition is so much better. The BZ4X is not competing against the Ioniq 5 EV, it's competing against the Kona EV and Bolt EV. Still want one?
It's those people that refuse to buy a Model Y because told various political views and prefer to literally hurt themselves financially and buy an inferior vehicle for more money
@@Twin.motors ...written by a Tesla fanboy RU-vid channel that has a financial incentive to talk crap about anything not Tesla. We cross-shopped the Model Y and the Solterra. The Solterra was $50/month less to lease, is better in the snow, and loses less range in the winter. Our neighbor has a Model Y, and reports about 180 miles of range in the winter to our 170 miles. They also complain that the heat pump cannot keep the car warm enough some mornings. For the record, we live in the Utah mountains at 8000 feet and got 525" of snowfall this winter. Cold and snow performance matters a lot to us.
@@JCintheBCC Interesting how the Solterra isn't the most sold vehicle ( ICE or EV) worldwide but the Y is. The heat pump is downright magical so I have no ideea what you're talking about, heats the car up in minutes
I have one. I considered the Ioniq5 but besides the fact they are almost impossible to buy in Canada (over a year waiting), they are too low to the ground for my usage. The BZ4X is about the only SUV in that price range that can do a bit of off road. I would be way too nervous to scrape the underneath of an Ioniq5 on a dirt road (car is considered totalled if that happens, $60k to change the battery, even is there is only a slight misalignment).
I mean Toyota's sales have been incredibly high recently. Plus the US has a massive slant against EVs. I'd say if you meet someone older than 28 years old they'll probably tell you they'll never buy an EV. EVs really are just for the young or those who aren't very frugal with their money. It's pretty clear the average person is buying conventionals and hyrbids whether it's a good thing or not.
U baiting for comment or u pulled that statement out of ur cat’s nether region? They sold 11million cars last year. 8:34 If u completely remove sales from north america, europe and china - BEV cornerstones - the toyota group still sold 6million cars to the rest of the world. Thats as much as the whole of Stellantis.
I first test drove the Model Y because I wanted one for years. Good EV, garbage of a car. I bought a BZ4X because it's an amazing car (that happens to be electric.) I'm perfectly satisfied with the range for city driving, I honestly have less "range anxiety" for daily driving than I do in our ICE vehicles.
For the bZ4X AWD model, charging may slow down more than other models in weather conditions below zero degrees Celsius (32 degrees Fahrenheit) and may not be possible when the temperature drops to around -20 degrees Celsius (-4 degrees Fahrenheit ) and less.
@AutoFocus my 2015 Tesla P85D came basically 230 miles max, 250 if you charged it over the 90%, its worked for me for all these years from NY to as far as Virginia. So that's still decent range. I guess not compared to current newer cars, but should still work. I guess my advantage still is the Tesla charging network.
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