The 2003 TMNT meet up with an awful parody of the 1987 TMNT! phelous.com / phelous Originally released: February 11, 2012 #TMNT #TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles
This definitely comes off like someone with an ax to grind, and that sounds like Laird. Appropriately enough: the IDW comic that Eastman helmed combined the best parts of the original turtles with the '87 series to bring what I think is THE BEST version into the world.
It's the textbook definition of bashing. Hating on the '87 show for things that he literally made up, rather than hating on it for things it actually did.
Having seen TMNT 03 now I can see there some pretty off things about how they were represented here too and there's no reason why Karai would show up to help Utrom Shredder by the end of the series.
Phelan Porteous Also, while I do agree with you on almost all your arguments - Shredder was stupid enough to use a giggle ray Krang invented. Remember the time when Krang invented that shit to make the turtles feel love?
this hurts way more if you like both series not only are the 1987 turtles out of character but even the 2003 ones are not quite right. they would never be this hostile towards alternate versions of themselves and would probably be asking them for as much information on their version of shredder as possible so they can defeat him faster. i feel like 4kids kept asking them to do this stuff so that their version of the show would look better and outsell the previous one
its like the TT vs TTG Movie, they showed the OG TT like super serious just to make TTG looks bad, the problem is that doing this the OG TT wasnt like them on the original show
@@ivanelugo I feel like after you leave the scene where both Titans are in the TTG Tower the portrayal of the 03 Titans gets way better. Like it's still not perfect but it's way more in line with the original show
Eaxl Yeah they never took anything seriously and then you see the clip about wanting their master to be turned human again and them being clearly afraid of being turned back into regular turtles. I think you proved their point already.
Eaxl or we are just pointing out when someone’s wrong, we’re not just butthurt fanboys, and you obviously have not seen an actually good episode of the show, seems you’ve more salty about the fact that you have been called out when you are wrong
Looks like you called it, Phelous. The development team established that the 87 Turtles here are NOT the same as the actual 87 Turtles seen in the crossover with the 12 Turtles, which means that yes, the Turtles seen here are an awful parody.
@@comicbookreviewer4856 But then again the 1987 series was pretty bad, save for the first few episodes that actually had quality animation. It devolved into nonsense pretty fast.
Sort of like how Teen Titans Go! seemed like an outlet for the execs and writers behind it, to basically show their contempt towards anybody that expected more from them. Really, they were honestly worse than even the most obnoxious of fans could've ever been.
According to one of the artists of the 2003 series one of the reasons the 87 turtles only looks slightly off is because they were given incomplete scans and turned to the fans to complete the designs hence why there's a special thanks to the fans at the end. As for the portrayal of the 87 turtles a lot of the team took issue with it and the theory lines up with the main assumption that Peter Laird made the 87 turtles appear more as how he saw them rather than how they actually were.
@@gumundureyorarnfinnsson4212 Well, the TMNT is his (and Kevin Eastman’s) own creation. He had the right to be salty. It’s the same with Tolkien’s son Chris Tolkien and how he despises the Jackson adaptation of Lord of the Rings. I know the circumstances are different, but here’s my question. Who is right in this situation: the fans who will defend the 87 cartoon to death or the creators of TMNT who hate seeing their vision being mishandled?
As someone who grew up with the 03’ TMNT and the video games and toys, this movie doesn’t do them justice either. It makes them look mean spirited and like all they do is complain, I can imagine a GOOD crossover of these two incarnations of turtles would instead have the 87’ and 03’ Donatello’s geeking out over the fact they’ve crossed dimensions like this, and the two Leos expressing an almost mutual infatuation with the others leadership skills, while both Michelangelo’s just goofed off as would be excepted. This was just a spiteful parody.
Not to mention the two Raphaels would probably butt heads with each other. With '87 Raph making snarky remarks at '03 Raph's expense followed by the latter angrily reacting.
Never thought about it until now, but I think the classic comic Shredder showing up for a cameo and getting beaten so easily may have been a reference to how little Shredder was featured in the original book as the original comic never intended for him to be the Turtles' archenemy. He died in the first issue, came back as a clone for the Escape and Return to New York stories (which were the inspiration for the 1990 movie) and died for good. That was literally it.
@@aaronm4858 Yes. That actually happened. Granted, first he came back as a clone, but when the clone died, it was consumed by a shark who absorbed his memories. Trust me, you gotta look it up for yourself.
@@pixilatedink.7920 you know I don’t remember them doing that 🤔 all I can remember is those crossovers are the only reason I know how Jimmy neutron was😅
I'll be honest, I prefer the 2K3 series when it comes to story, action and character development. However, you totally have a point. They poke fun at the 80's show way too much and don't poke fun at the 2K3 show at all. saying "what the shell" apparently isn't corny at all. And in doing so, 4kids really exposed their insecurities. The crossover with the 80's turtles and the 2012 turtles was done with much justice.
Yeah & many of the 2003 characters was douchebags like Raph against 1987 Turtles & 2003 Krang Shredder & Karai mistreated 1987 Shredder & Krang for NO reason. Sure 2003 are like that but he could atleast let 1987 Shredder talk. Punch him away are NO excuse for throwing him away. They were NO threat against them.
I think that the "1980 turtles" are actually a mix between the "coming out of our shells tour" turtles, teenage mutant ninja turtles 3 movie turtles, and the Christmas special turtles. They resemble the time period where people took the turtles alot less seriously and make them into incompetent idiots. That's exactly what turtles forever tries to make fun of.
Michael Siegler - If that were the case, then why not actually FEATURE an animated version of the Turtles from TMNT 3 and/or the Coming Out of Their Shells Turtles and make a parody of THOSE portrayals of them? Then the parody would've ACTUALLY been funny and would've MADE SENSE to the fans of the '87 series. Instead, the makers of this special threw the 1987 TMNT series under the damn bus and made them out to be the same halfwitted shitheads from TMNT 3 and that godawful band, when that's not at all an accurate portrayal of the '87 TMNT series. I mean, if they were going for this whole "TMNT-multiverse" scenario ANYWAY, then WHY NOT bring out the more genuinely embarrassing TMNT renditions and poke some fun at them? I'd've been ALL FOR that scenario! There's some great jokes there! But shoehorning the '87 Turtles into that role when they don't actually belong there just, at best, comes off as lazy writing, and at worst, insults the original show, its creators and its fanbase - and no surprise, that's exactly how it was taken. Phelous summed it up perfectly in the phrase "mean-spirited"... although I'd add "condescending" to that description as well. The '87 series was really cheesy and cornballish, yes, (it was definitely a product of its time, to be sure) but it still took itself seriously enough to present its Shredder and Krang as REAL threats to the Turtles. Having the '87 series' Shredder create a motherfucking "giggle ray" just shows how much contempt the Turtles Forever crew had for the '87 series. Even the Shredder from the Coming Out of Their Shells Tour, which had the GAYEST looking Shredder costume ever made, was STILL more competently villainous than the total fruitcake that Turtles Forever made him out to be. nd the show knew when to be more serious and story/character focused and when to be humor focused.
@@xanpq8374 I 100% agree. The 2012 version crossovers did this idea far better because the '87 series was better represented. I agree that yes, the 87 characters can be silly and have a lot of stupid moments, but they're not that incompetent to the point where they just sit around and crack jokes all day. Trans Dimensional Turtles, while a lot shorter, did a far better job at representing the 87 because it actually poked fun at things that were REALLY from the series, and not just make shit up.
+Drixenol86 What makes it hurt a bit more for me is that after the full original ending aired on 4kids/ Kids WB for me no tv station that airs it never shows the rest of the ending after the comic-turtles freeze-frame. NO ONE. (Cartoon Network, Nick, Vortex (replacement Kids WB).)
@@jayo1212 Yeah, but the original toon wasn't blatantly insulting itself. They more-or-less went with zany, fun stories. This is just the producer's way of saying: THE 1987 SHOW WAS SUPER LAME, THE 2003 SHOW IS THE BEST CUZ IT'S FROM MIRAGE!!
I believe Linkara once said something along the lines of "When making a crossover, you try to make both sides look as competent as possible." This crossover made the 1987 Turtles look like incompetent buffoons that didn't know what they were doing. That is inexcusable, and that's coming from someone who watched the 2003 Turtles and preferred them.
+Robo - Nidai Even as someone who hates the 1987 Turtles, I _still_ have to agree that this special terribly misrepresented them, made them _a lot_ dumber than they actually were, and fucked up their personalities entirely. And _this_ is coming from someone who genuinely thinks the 1987 Turtles cartoon was fucking awful, incredibly stupid and painful to watch. Yes, this special was _that_ fucking unfair to them.
Eaxl Wait... So you're happy that a whole subset of the fandom was pissed off, because their favorites were misrepresented? You are aware that not everyone who prefers the old turtles talk shit about the newer ones, right?
@Eaxl Oh noes, a subset of the fandom didn't liked something about the franchise post a certain period? That hasn't happened to anything ever and it totally doesn't happen because they start to make things far too different for their tastes. Grow up.
Because in a interview kevin eastman and peter larid did say they never liked the 87 cartoon for real. And they liked the 2003 series, and they cameo has police officers
I hate how this crossover treated the 87 Turtles. The 2012 show treated the classic Turtles much better and didn't treat them like crap but I still like the 2003 show.
I have a confession.. this was my first time actually seeing the 87 Turtles. I knew about them before hand of course, but with what little information I knew, I figured this was suppose to be accurate. Or at least, accurate with a bit of satire. Course, now I know better.
I hate how the demographic of people think the 87 Turtles were stupidly incompetent when they forget that their first season was so edgy Network interference jumped in and screamed you got make this kid friendly-
Completely forgot Dan Green, the voice of Yugi Moto, was Leo 87 in this and now all I can think is "Come on Turtles! Believe in the Heart of the Shells and you'll never lose!"
@@criminallyautistic8372 I think they were trying to immate the 80's voice actors at their early voices. Like around season 1 of the 1987 TMNT cartoon.
I love the thumbnail of this, particularly how the 1987 turtles look at the 2003 turtles. Leo looks unamused, Raph looks like he’s starting to get really irritated by them, Donnie looks somewhat concerned for their mental state, and Mikey looks both confused and frightened by the 2003 turtles.
It also has some meaning since if the 1987 series was given an unflattering depiction in the movie, why should the 2003 Turtles be given the same treatment in this thumbnail
Since when did the 1987 Turtles fight banana monsters or anything similar to the other creatures in their own show? They had pretty scary monsters. For instance, there was a huge one-eyed blob with tentacles that crawled out of a dimensional portal in one episode that gave me nightmares as a kid. In another episode there was a huge plant monster that took over the entire city and was strong enough to flip cars around. And seriously, although April ended up getting caught by some monsters in the show, she wasn't that stereotypical damsel in distress which this film made her out to be. She had more personality.
Closest thing I remember would be the pizza monsters. They were alien eggs put on pizzas that would grow after being left out and were clearly designed to look like xenomorphs but yellow.
At first, I actually did enjoy this special. However, the more I thought about it, the more I realized it was an insult to the '87 series, in more ways than one. Not just because they depicted the '87 characters as being completely incompetent, but they couldn't even be bothered to get the original music and voice actors, either. Maybe it had something to do with Fred Wolf Films bogarting the license at the time, but they could have worked SOMETHING out! Then again, this IS 4Kids we're talking about, and we all know how much they care about quality entertainment. I'm well aware that the show aged poorly, but it wouldn't have killed them to give it some shred of dignity (pun intended)! Sadly, I heard that Peter Laird himself HATED the old cartoon and that he gave the "OK" to rip on it as much as possible. Hell, even in TMNT: Smash Up, he REFUSED to allow Ubisoft to use any of the '87 characters in the game's roster! Yet, the Technodrome is a playable stage in the game! The new Nickelodeon show gave the '87 series way more dignity in less than a minute than the entirety of Turtles Forever! In fact, I really wouldn't mind them giving the multiverse idea another try in the future.
"Sadly, I heard that Peter Laird himself HATED the old cartoon and that he gave the "OK" to rip on it as much as possible. Hell, even in TMNT: Smash Up, he REFUSED to allow Ubisoft to use any of the '87 characters in the game's roster!" Peter Laird is such an asshole!
James Armstrong Well, the '87 TMNT series was so drastically different from the original comics that he and Kevin Eastman worked together to create, it's kind of understandable why he'd dislike the show. In a way, it's similar to how Hideo Kojima despises the NES version of Metal Gear. Sure, it sold millions of copies, but it was a glitchy, watered-down mess, and it was inferior to the original MSX version. But despite how Peter felt about the old cartoon, the enormous impact it had on our childhoods and pop culture is undeniable, and Turtles Forever should have treated it with the respect it deserved. In fact, the crew behind the Nickelodeon TMNT series understands how beloved the '87 cartoon was, which is why they used it as the main basis for their work, while throwing in several elements from the Mirage Comics, and other incarnations of the TMNT franchise. Yes, Nick even gave the crossover idea another shot, but with the addition of the original voice cast, minus James Avery (R.I.P.).
+CaptainEnglehorn And Roald Dahl didn't like Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, P. L. Travers didn't like Walt Disney's Mary Poppins, E. B. White didn't like Don Bluth's Charlotte's Web, and Michael Ende didn't like The NeverEnding Story; but those were good movies.
Basically, the '87 TMNT is the 60's live-action Batman tv show of the TMNT franchise. Super goofy, but had a massive impact as well, and really brought it out to the mainstream.
I didn't watch too much of the 80's version (a little before my time) but this looks beyond insulting. It's like if Nolan Batman and animated series Batman had a crossover and animated series batman was an idiot and a goofball.
Or if Spider-Man Homecoming and the 90’s Spider-Man(which I admit is something I didn’t grow up with) crossed over and Homecoming constantly made fun of 90’s SM.
I suspect that a big reason that this series showed so much disdain for the old cartoon is because every script in the series got approved by Peter Laird. Laird was one of the two co-creators of the Turtles (he and the other creator, Kevin Eastman, show up in that little scene at the end of Turtles Forever), and he always hated the original cartoon series. To be fair, I can't blame him entirely - the first Turtles cartoon was EXTREMELY different from the comic he helped create, but it got way more attention. I'd probably feel bitter, too, if such a thing happened with my own characters. The 2003 series was much more closely based on the original comic (Up until that Fast Forward crap), and so much of the action and drama - especially early on in the series - are very well-done. The comedy, however, was often on the weak side, and so I doubt they could have done the old Turtles justice in that area even if they wanted too.
I can't blame him for that either but, really a petty thing to do. If you don't like them just say it, but don't just destroy them like here. I'm sure that show made him a shit ton of money.
It did, indeed, make Peter Laird rich, but I think that's part of why he hated it... he probably felt like he "sold out", to some extent. And there are good arguments on either side as to whether he truly did sell out. While I was annoyed at his disdain for my favorite incarnation of the Turtles (and my favorite cartoon series of all time), he does have every right to make fun of them in any way he deems worthy. This is one of those "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it" moments.
I doubt he was feeling so "bitter" when that original 1987 cartoon was making him a butt load of cash, with kids gobbling up those VHS tapes, clothes and tons of toys. No one forced them to let a studio make their underground comic into a Saturday morning cartoon, they were offered and they said yes.
dam, that is the best argument i have ever heard in regards to this, while i understand why Peter would be bitter at the end of the day he could have just donated the money he earnt from the 80s merchandise to charity if he felt that bad, i don’t see what giving the finger to an entire generation of fans accomplished
This was just painful for me to watch. The 87 Turtles show was silly yes. But they were at least self aware that it was silly. Hell, there were plenty of instances where they broke the forth wall and talked directly to the audience. This treatment of them is like taking a beloved silly character like Bugs Bunny and lobotomizing him. So effectively, this is the Space Jam of TMNT.
+AnnoyingSquib ....Would the new Nickelodeon series be the _Looney Tunes: Back in Action_ of TMNT, then? (PS: I enjoyed _Back in Action_ immensely, and the New Turtles have grown on me.)
I love the Nickelodeon Turtles immensely! I grew up with the 87 turtles, but the new show on Nick pays loving tribute to all of the turtles before it while still being an entity of it's own.
Just to make it clear to anyone watching this and claiming Phelous to be butthurt- He DOESN'T deny that the 1987 Turtles were Goofy, He criticize how goofy they were portrayed. I mean he gives ACTUAL EXAMPLES from the cartoon to make his point clear.
Actually there IS a Krang in the 2003 dimension as one of the Utroms Utrom 1: "I hate wearing this human disguise" Utrom 2: "Shut up Krang" I forgot what episode but it was when the turtles were infiltrating the Utrom facility, it was very early in the series.
Peter Laird was in creative control of all things Turtles at the time of the 03 series and despised all things related to the old cartoon. He refused to let them use any characters or even phrases from the show. The mentality definitely carried over into the special.
@@Shadamyfan-rs8xc the back that he was so inflexible is probably the reason Eastman didn't want to work with him for so long. Though for what it's worth he's posted his feedback he was giving the 03 show at the time and I do honestly think he made it better. He's just too caught up in his own stuff.
It kills me that there are still some people out there who defend this clusterfuck of a film and say that this was a perfectly accurate depiction of the 87 turtles. 99% of the 87 turtles' catchphrases, mannerisms, personalities, I.Q. levels, attention spans and combat ability in this movie were entirely made up by the 2003 staff. It takes some serious delusion to think that the 87 turtles were well represented in this. Though he helped with the initial development of TMNT back in 1984, Peter Laird proved to be quite cancerous as the front runner of the franchise. Even though the turtles are currently heading into an uncertain future with that new "Rise" series, I'm still glad that he's no longer involved.
YAAAS!! God. Such a disappointment. I really thought the East Meets West arc was okay. Not great but up there with 1966 Batman in terms of goofy campyness. So dissatisfying to see it all good down hill. Darn it Saban!
Inaccurate. The Next Mutation Turtles would've just sat around complaining and arguing about menial shit while refusing to help the '03 Turtles at all.
This might be Phelous' best review. Everyone else that reviewed says it was great but never seems to notice how badly they did the 87 turtles. Phelous seen right through that bullshit and bashed it accordingly.
@Adam Shirk Well, that was largely Peter Laird's doing, and in some ways, a lot of ways, the butt poking was deserved. Maybe they did overdo it with how idiotic the 87 turtles were portrayed, but even so, they were not entirely immune to being oblivious or reckless, particularly before season 7.
The only moment I even REMOTELY enjoyed from this special was '87 Leonardo wondering why the 2003 turtles call Splinter "Father." That would have been an intriguing topic for them to discuss, the different relationships they have with their Splinters. The '87 show was actually far more subtle about it--the turtles and Splinter clearly had a father/son relationship, without having to literally spell it out .
this whole special was an absolute mess. i liked both 87 and 03 TMNT, but was put off by how incompetent the 87 turtles were and *also* how OOC some of the 03 characters acted, especially Karai. they kinda just... forgot that she finally moved past the abusive father-daughter relationship between her and Shred-Krang??? maybe they just wanted to treat seasons 4 and 5 as dis-continuity or something. i think the actual animators loved the original show, and did what they could to emulate that style, but there's only so much they can do within the confines of the writers' mean-spiritedness.
It was. Nickelodeon did a lot of justice and each set of turtles were treated as equals. But then again, 4kids made this special, and as we all now know, they were a special kind of stupid. If they were really treated as equals, the '87 Turtles would have at the very least commented on the fact that the '03 Turtles have no eyes and look like they're on steroids. I'm glad those fuckers are out of business now.
+RassilonTDavros ...which is why I just use the word "hell" when I need to say an explicit word when I'm surprised/shocked in emotion and using it in a rhetorical question at the same time!
I grew up watching the 2003 turtles It seemed like you got pretty upset how your turtles got poorly represented in comparison to the 2003 ones I would like to apologize for this and hope that they will one day be able to make an actual good crossover
+tbonevideos23 yep!! For one episode for the 2012 series. It was confirmed by the people and cast behind the show at New York ComicCon 2015. And not only are the original voices for the turtles coming back, were getting Pat Freely back voicing Kranng
6:17 that's EXACTLY what I was going to say. In the 90's when I saw this show (I am from South America, things were a little bit delayed 🤣) every kid has a favourite turtle for a reason . Leonardo was not only the leader, but he was also the most rational and closer to Splinter , he was the classic older brother ; Mickey was the party dude , but also the positive one ; Donatello was the inventor and more closer to Leonardo in making strategic plans to defeat shreeder and Raphael was more sarcastic and a little rebellious. But here they are all stupid at the same level!
I grew up watching the '03 turtles (at least before it got stupid with the time travel stuff and going on the internet) and I remember watching this special and thinking to myself that there was no way that the old turtles could be this stupid and annoying. It's a shame that the creators just didn't care about the old fans and just wanted to make the kids laugh by making the old turtles seem like complete idiots and making the, at the time, current turtles seem like complete badasses. It could've been something really neat that old and new fans could've enjoyed, but I guess that would've been too much work.
ErringFool8267 It was actually the Mirage turtles they portrayed as complete badasses. That was sort of the point. The 80s team seems goofy to the 2003 team and the 2003 teams seems just as goofy to the originals. So it's not like they were afraid to poke fun at the 2003 series and they weren't picking on the 80s show exclusively. Hell, they gave 80s Shredder way more respect than the Mirage Shredder.
Gila Monster I guess "badasses" was the wrong word, I was more saying how it portrayed them as if they were better than the '80s turtles. Both the '80s and '03 shows turtles were goofy in their own ways, but this special made the old turtles act as if being goofy was their only character trait and that they never took things seriously which makes them seem like idiots.
ErringFool8267 Well, the 2003 team was obviously more competent. They had to be since they faced more serious threats and dealt with foes that weren't quite so bumbling. They could be comical at times but those aspects were toned down when things got serious. The same can't really be said about the 80s team, since things never really got *too* serious. They were pretty much always cracking jokes and being sarcastic. The special did a pretty good job of reflecting that. The 2003 TMNT were maybe portrayed as a bit more serious to contrast with the 80s team but they still had some more comical moments. And the 80s team even had one or two moments where they acted more competent than the new guys. Like when Raphael is taking out Shredder's minions one by one and they devise a way to take them all out at once. It's not so much that they're idiots, they're just out of their element in the more serious 2003 and Mirage worlds. The 2003 team had an easier time adapting since their universe is a middle ground between the darker Mirage comic and the campy 80s show.
Except the 87 turtles did actually face threats that threaten their life's and could be serious from time to time. They didn't star crying when nearly getting killed.
@@ErringFool8267 well obviously in general 2003 turtles are better and more competent than 80s turtles they've done alot. Just like how mirage are better than 87 and 2003 turtles. They all kick their asses because they're more hard and violent
You know this does put some things in perspective, I heard that the writers of the original comic hated the 1987 TMNT, later I think it was Peter Lairdman, was brought on by 4Kids entertainment to help with the 2003 TMNT & he wrote it to be more acurate to the original comic in the earlier season, maybe Turtles Forever was Lairdman's way of getting back at the original 1987 cartoon by making their characters look stupid & incompetant & making the 2003 & original comic characters look good
@Brandon Brooks Yeah. This is just pathetic and spiteful. Much like how Teen Titans Go handled its predecessor, and most if not all of the backlash surrounding their show.
For some reason, I've never really got into the 2K3 Turtles, so Turtles Forever felt awkward to me. However, I felt that they did an total injustice to the personalities of both the 1987 Turtles and to Shredder in this film. Sure the cartoon was goofy and the episodes were on the campy side, but the way that Turtles Forever was handled and created was done very blah. Maybe I need the Giggle Ray just to make this movie seem enjoyable to me. So yeah, I do definitely agree with you on much of your commentary Phelous.
For the comic Shredder, from what I've heard, Shredder did go down easily, or at least really fast. They beat and killed him in the first comic. He returned later, but still.
BREAKING NEWS Nickelodeon and the team behind the 2012 turtles show has confirmed that the 1987 Turtles and 87 Kranng will appear on an episode . Also the original voice cast will be there!
+Maggie Offutt Hopefully better than the shitty 2003 special, and make it endearing. Not smart taking a piss on a generation who loved a show, and supported the franchise.
Seasons 1-5 were better, but as I saw season 6.... I was thinking "this sucks", not to mention the most fucking annoying character, Cody jones.... I hate that little shit, he's so annoying. Plus seasons 7 through 9 sucked, new animation and stupid plots, I preferred the seasons 1-5 animation.
walkingcubkid Yeah, I think at the point of seasons 6-9, this is where I draw the line and decided to boycott 4kids for disrespecting the franchise afterwards. And now this special just completely butchered not only the dignity of the 1987 versions, but also the 2003 versions as well. I mean. I don't even know who's worst....Michael Bay and Jonathan Liesbman for destroying the original 1987 TV series by turning those turtles into steroid versions of Shrek and ripping off The Amazing Spider-Man and the live-action Transformers movies as well? Or 4kids for quitting after season 5 and starting to produce seasons 6-9 and this God-awful "special" for the Ninja Turtles' 25th anniversary?! *sigh!* Great, now I'm feeling very guilty for not giving the newer Nickelodeon TMNT cartoons a shot when I had the chance.
I've got to admit I'm a very minor TMNT fan, and most diehards wouldn't even consider me one at all. I really enjoy the first two live action movies, like and feel nostalgic towards '87 and think the most recent Nickelodeon series is good and that's about it. that said, what a fucking mean-spirited trick this was to pull on '87 fans. Literally just 'hey tune in! we're bringing your old favourites back from your childhood (p.s. we may shit all over both them and by default, you for liking them and wanting to see them again)'
I will admit these are only thing they got right TMNT 1987’ 1. Their designs 2. ‘87 Master Splinter 3. ‘87 Raphael breaking the fourth wall 4 ‘87 Bebop And Rocksteady 5. ‘87 April being a damsel in distress but other than that this special totally hate TMNT 1987!
This was offensive for fans of the '03 show as well... MINOR SPOILERS Kirai had gone through this arc in the show where she tried and failed to reject Shredkrang's influence - he raised her, but she knew he was evil and it took her a few seasons of development to truly end her alliance with him. Hun (the big Slash ripoff in this one) had finally managed to reject him as well, despite having some loyalty to him for training him from nothing into the crime boss he became. Then this special just makes them Shred-tools again. And the new style looks terrible, of course. Spiky-shoulder Splinter is just offensive altogether.
@Zesanactor Over-5 Karai and Hun returning to Shredder, after all the character development over the course of the show, IS offensive. Splinter is more up in the air, but I think many fans of the show didn't much care for the redesign and new direction from the sixth season onward, and that includes Splinter, who looks the most completely different.
To be fair, the 2003 show didn't take much from the 80s show since the creators were more into the comics than the cartoon, which is understandable given how the 2003 wanted to be more faithful to the source material while still bringing in something new. Which is still not a good excuse for their bad interpretations of the 80s TMNT, but I personally never cared. I liked the 80s show as a kid, but not to the point where it was a huge part of my childhood. I prefer the 2003 show, since it took itself a lot more seriously while still adressed itself as a silly show with a silly idea. Which is basically the same as the comics.
Ruby Williams Anti UTTP Why wouldn't they? The 2003 show follows the comics, while the 80s show mocks them. If anything, they probably deserve to get fucked up.
No you aren't. The 80's series completely missed the tone and meaning of the comics, which were always darker and more thoughtful. Unless you can provide solid evidence to back up your conclusions, you are simply trolling.
I just saw an animatic of an upcoming episode of the latest TMNT series where the New Turtles meet and team up with the 80's Turtles, and guess what? The 80's Turtles are actually competent, unlike this special where the creators obviously couldn't tell the difference between the 80's Turtles and the Turtles from that awful Christmas Special! And not only is it going to have the original music but the old voice actors are also reprising their roles. Cam Clarke, Barry Gordon, Townsend Coleman and of course Rob Paulsen are back as the Turtles, just like the little cameo they made in the Season 2 Episode. They'll obviously have to get someone new to voice the Shredder, hopefully someone who can match James Avery's unforgettable portrayal! But I am hoping and praying that they get the always incredible Pat Fraley to reprise his role as Krang! No one can make those weird sound effects that Krang made like he can! I can't wait, it's like it's going to be everything that Turtles Forever wanted to be!
Robert Torquati That would emply all of the turtles are the same, which couldn't be further from the truth. At qorst it would be 2 sets of the same 4 characters, which also isn't the case, since their personalities were quite different in 2 versions.
It's a damn shame the 2003 show had to end on this, because up to season 4, it was honestly the best Ninja Turtles show (though I'm more a fan of the 2012 one). The sad fact is that Peter Laird's *strong* distaste for the 1987 show is on full display and the end results are how you don't do a crossover. Thank god that when Nickelodeon went to crossover the 1987 Turtles with the 2012 Turtles, the production crew was filled with fans of the '87 show, so "Trans-Dimensional Turtles" was far more loving than Turtles Forever.
Thank-you for tearing this apart. This annoyed me so much and you hit every thing that pissed me off about how the classic turtles were handled. I'm glad I'm not the only one who got mad about this.
Misterprickly I was kind of disappointed with Wormquake though. I thought that one was going to be more of a crossover rather than a quick cameo. It would have been really neat if both turtles teams went to eachother's dimensions and it switched them from 2D and 3D depending one which one they were in.
Phelan Porteous Oh i totally agree! A crossover would have been awesome, especially if they got a James Avery sound-a-like to play shredder or used voice clips.
Can we all agree the Turtles In Time special that came from the 2010 Nickelodeon show. Is far superior to this? Also DAN GREEN!?!?! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE?! THIS AIN'T A CARD GAME!
Well Co-creator of the turtles Peter Laird was an executive producer of the 4kids series ands has gone on record he hated the Fred Wolf series. So maybe this was his idea of "revenge" for the misrepresentation of his comic
The funniest part was when Raphael broke the fourth wall and Hun looked at the camera, asking why he kept doing it, who he was talking to and saying that there’s no one there.
After seeing Turtles Forever I kinda never want to see the 03 versions again. They were kinda failures anyway from a real life point of view since they never managed to become even remotely as popular as the 87 versions.
It's like whoever made this just hated the 87 Turtles. They might not even have seen the old series, they hated it just because "Oh no, it's old and all old things are stupid." Was this written by a bunch of 13 year old who thought they were cool by rebelling against and making fun of everything their parents might have liked? I would have had no problem with the over the top parody versions of the 80s Turtles - if the entire thing had been a parody and the 2003 Turtles were treated the same way.
I think I know what's going on: the '87 Turtles weren't from the '87 Turtles Dimension, they were from the Parody '87 Turtles Dimension. The '03 Turtles were likewise from the Parody '03 Turtles Dimension.
Maybe it's the creators's vision of each show. We already know they hate the 80's cartoon, so maybe they thought that the 03' cartoon was hip and the best thing ever.
Is that Dan Green as '87 Leonardo? *looks it up* It IS. Hey, Dan Green! This could have been a fun special for fans of the 80s show to enjoy with their kids/siblings/etc if done with affection and respect. It really could have been great. *sigh*
Wait til you see the 2012 Meets 1987 special. They actually did better and they got the original cast to do their voices. That and Rob Paulson was already there so why not have him do both 2012 Donatello and 1987 Raphael. Way better crossover.
14:17 As a guy who hasn't seen much of the original cartoon and just watched some episodes on DVD, I can say without a doubt that April never said that...or sounded like that.
Not sure if I commented on this before, but here I go: I remember catching this special on TV. I forget exactly when. I want to say it was the day it premiered on TV. I hadn't watched the 2003 Turtles show all that much, and growing up I had watched the Turtles cartoon religiously but stopped during the red sky seasons. Guess I couldn't take what they did in those years. Anyway, when I had flipped on to it, I couldn't watch it straight on. I was so thrown off by the "new voices" the 87 Turtles had. I kept flipping between it and another show. I specifically remember the parody scene where they "rescued April" and had a mental reaction akin to "okay, what the hell am I watching here?" It wasn't a particularly pleasant experience.
It would have been better if the 80s turtles were stupid because the fact shredder zapped them so hard that when they were in the other shows they are kinda dumb till they enter their world and fix themselves
It is kinda vexing when ANY series does a crossover and makes one team look crap, especially when they have such a strong following and a legacy. Hell, I grew up more with Beast Wars and I consider Transformers Prime better than G1 overall, but if they did a crossover I'd want the G1 formers to look good too.
I think it was this movie that actually made me swear off the 2003 TMNT series. It's a good series no doubt, and I did love watching it for the time, but then this crossover came out and I'm like, "Yeeeah, I'm out. This feels less like a fun animated crossover with the TMNT and more like Peter Laird animating a long-winded blog or Tweet about hating the 80's show."
as a child raised on TMNT 03 and slowly being introduced to the "real" turtles by my older cousin, I remember watching this special. I was six and my brother was four and we both thought it was really stupid
