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@@dracocrusher i mean, not to spoil history since i assume the anime is going to cover this eventually but i have not read the manga, still POTENTIAL SPOILER: Leifs Expedition laid the groundwork for the future semi permanent settlement attempt of, among others, Thorfinn Karlsefinn. They certainly had conflict with the natives. The Sagas claim that the natives were the aggressors and attacked them once their Ships were beached, which lead to at least 8 dead on first contact, most of them natives iirc. So less profit and more, "this is my land, its already settled, fuck of" kind of deal.

@@dracocrusher certainly depends on which contact we are talking about. Columbus arrived almost 500 years later in the the Caribbean, Modern Haiti. By all accounts the Europeans were horrible and the clear aggressors then. Columbus had, on his second trip, promised the Spanish crown tons of slaves and gold for them to finance the Venture. But he couldn’t make use of the natives as slaves (The Colombian exchange of diseases made it basically impossible for them to survive the trip back to Spain in significant numbers) so he almost worked them to extinction on Haiti to look for gold where barely any was. Leif’s and Thorfinns Expepedion were entire different just from an organizational level. They were more private ventures. With completely different cultural roots. The point was to replicate the successful settlements of Iceland and Greenland. The natives weren’t really a variable they considered, while in the Caribbean, they were the whole point. But when we look and differentiate the 15th century Spanish and the 11th century vikings, we have to the same for the natives. The problem here is that we mostly have European records and therefore a European POV. Columbus paints a picture of these peaceful, docile, easily subjucatable natives, because that helps him in his efforts to keep getting the Spanish crown Interested. The sagas paint a picture of the fierce, brave, warriors they encountered because the Viking settlement attempts failed and they better justify why (especially in Viking culture) a strong enemy would satisfy that. The sagas are also likely oral accounts that only got written down in the 13th and 14th century, so obviously calling them accurate would be the overstatement of the century and authorial liberty can be assumed on top of that. But, even with all of that in mind, I would guess that a northern Inuit tribe in Canada matched up with private venture 11th century Viking crews who didn’t expect them would fair a lot better in combat than a southern Caribbean island tribe against a 15th century Spanish fleet with all the European combat technology that was since developed, backed by the crown and aware of how to run an encomienda style island colony since that just did that on the Canary Islands Hope this is at least a tiny bit interesting to you, I didn’t mean for it to be this long when i started typing!

*Vinland Saga spoilers* Yukimura is actually following a historical trajectory, of course with dramatic liberties for the sake of narration, and if he keeps doing that. Vinland Saga's ending will be sad.. The failed Vinland colonization irl..

They talk about the “skrelling” and i recall one record of them having confusion over trading cheese and a norse woman whipping her breast out and going after some of them with a knife.

@@P99s-s"It's clear Europeans were the aggressors then" Wow it's almost as if Europe and North America have never been made up of one singular people group and culture that always approaches every contact in exactly the same way throughout all of history.

Wit: *Drops an anime* Mappa: Is it for me?

Let alone the fact that plate was not even around back in the 11th century, certainly not the usual plate armour that is usually meant. That started appearing around the later 14th and 15th century.

@@mordraug Dang you're right! Sorry about that.

The swords are too thicc tho

@@P99s-sprobably made them thick to easier animate.

@@P99s-s it was mostly padded leather layered ontop of each other called a Gamberson and in terms of chainmail it was mainly a sort of T shirt of the interlocking rings called a hauberk 👍

@@ammunity6890 i know Gamberson and Hauberks. That’s armor. The swords are too thick

Actually Leif Erikson never even met the Native people, the Norse explorers only started meeting the Native people after Erik had stopped going with them and they also actually did have a pretty hostile relationship with the native people as Leif's brother Thorvald was actually killed by Natives and was the first non-Native person to be buried on American soil (tho it should be said that this was after he and his crew captured and killed 8 Native men who were hiding under canoes, the 9th escaping and alerting their people, so he kind of deserved what he got). This was the follow-up to Leif's trip and the next trip afterward wouldn't be for a while as the hostile Natives deterred the Norseman from coming over for a while. The next trip would be a little spoilery for Vinland tho (as the next explorer is Thorfinn who in reality is a Icelandic merchant and while he did trade with Natives for a bit as they were interested in their iron weapons, this relationship did sour when one of Thorfinn's men killed a native, who they called Skraelings, who had tried to steal a weapon, which caused the Native's to turn against them and Thorfinn ended up going back to Greenland after a winter). Any explorations afterward ended up with similar results, where the Natives were hostile and the Norse-people left or in the last recorded case (Leif Gnupsson, a bishop of Greenland), went missing.

I like this version, it's more poetic and I think it's more emotional then the manga.

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@@xzil2167 when Thors was leaving on boat she was shown bawling in the manga. I liked that honestly. It showed that even when she keeps her calm for most of the time, she was still in pain knowing she probably wouldn't see her husband ever again, you know?

even more spoilery if u want, Thorfinn also eventually makes it to America (he's the third group, after Leif and his brother had explored previously). I havent read the manga in a bit, so idk if they've made it there yet tbh tho.

Well, he also didn't meet the Natives when he explored so it kind of moot, however, his brother did meet them and did in fact kill Natives... who killed him back afterward, cementing as the first non-Native to be buried in America.

I do find it funny that despite all that research, the author does make up the part where Leif actually met the Native people, as Leif never did actually meet Natives, instead his brother did, but I don't remember if he has a brother in Vinland, so they might have just combined him and his brother Thorvald into one character for simplicity (tho this wouldn't go well for Leif then, as Thorvald ends up getting killed by the Natives when he explores there 3 years after Leif's expedition or maybe the brother's already dead during Vinland as Leif in Vinland seems pretty old and has been telling his story for a while now, so its probably been more then 3 years since he visited Vinland/America).

They did actually write, its how we know about Leif Erikson in the first place, as there is literally a story called the Saga of Leif Erikson, which was prose (so sung narratives) that was spread between 900 - 1100 CE in Iceland part of time called the Saga Ages (Lief Erikson's probably didn't get started sung until at least after 1000 CE as that was around the time he had his voyage there), but later in 1300 - 1400 CE was recorded to paper (These were basically stories that focused on history like genealogies and family hsitory, etc.). However, according to those stories, Leif never met the Native people, his brother did and then died to them (after he captured and killed them first tbh) and afterwards the Norse people basically were constantly in conflict with them (excluding a short time where Thorfinn traded with them with their iron weapons, tho that eventually soured and turned to conflict).

@@nicholasjacobs6605 so, they didn’t write, as I said. They’re songs

@@adamyoung6797 that were transcribed, yes

No, Leif actually landed closer to Newfoundland and Labrador based on the directions and landmarks given in the Saga of Erik the Red and the actual archeological evidence found in those areas, so it would still be Canada.

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@@Aliciaxlife Sorry I thought you were AI😭. I completely understand