Vecna is WEAK, But VERY FUN! - DbD PTB 8.0.0 Review 

I accidentally called Mage Hand as Magic Hand, please don't destroy me in the comments 💀 This is my opinion on everything coming this next chapter, including Vecna and the new survivors! I will also be doing a fun facts video soonish, showcasing the map :D Do you agree, or disagree? Let me know in the comments!

My biggest issue with him is all the slowdown he gets from using his kit. It basically punishes you for wanting to use his kit the same way it did when Hillbilly had his chainsaw overheat. I hope they change this to make it less sluggish cause right now he feels very clunky…

Who would win? A powerful lich with god-like powers who is feared across the forgotten realms and can travel the multiverse Or A goth girl with a flashlight

How funny is the fact that Vecna can prevent a pallet drop but it's for a amount of time so short that the survivor can do another loop and drop the pallet

17:00 A little correction, Survivors are not limited to one Artifact at a time. If you are lucky enough to roll two 20's in a match you can have both the eye and the hand, this makes you exit a locker invisible and will apply killer instinct once the invisibility is over

Thanos after Ozempic.

With the dispelling sphere the magic item shouldn't show the aura of the orb, but just see it as if you were touched by it. So you can't see it through walls, only in open space.

Also, SCREW. THE. BOTS. Always ducking and dodging the skeletons even when I send them from across the map, always knowing where the detection orb is going to go and very rarely getting caught in it. And the fact the still have perfect looping pathing and W holding

I really hate the nerfs to all the gen regression perks with nothing being done to address the reason why they are used

A few issues I have with the Lich: 1.) the slowdown of using his power is too damn long. 2.) the cooldown of his spells seem just a bit overtuned. 3.) the skeletons are way to easy to avoid, as just crouching will avoid the slow flight skeletons.

Vecna doesn't feel like a Killer designed for Killers, most people seem to have more fun as Survivor against him. This isn't necessarily bad but if he isn't fun to play people won't be able to experience the fun to play against him. Picking him seems like shooting yourself in the foot, his items not only counter the power but basic chases too.

Matthew Mercer being the voice actor for Vecna is perfect.

In short: Flight of the damned: Duck under it Fly: Vault over the pallet/window again Orb: Doesnt do much other than reveal your location. Just dodge it or take a hit by it Magic Hand: Throw the pallet down again or keep looping him on the loop even if he blocked the pallet His entire power is so easily counter-able and not only that but they also get items that counter him EVEN MORE by revealing his aura when using a certain power. PLUS THEY ALSO GET ITEMS THAT ALLOW THEM TO TELEPORT AND GO COMPLETELY INVISIBLE... This has to be the weakest killer upon release man...

Bro really thinks he has a chance of leaving the Entity’s realm 💀

It's funny that they added magic items to help you go against Vecna. Then they made Vecna so weak that they aren't needed and only makes him worse

The fact that Vecna has a power to stop people from dropping pallets, a wide, damaging ranged attack that goes through walls and a literal flying mode and yet his best spell is a ball that shows where people are is crazy to me.

I noticed that you mentioned that the survivors can only have one of each magic item and one special one. That’s not the case. A single survivor can have both the hand and eye at the same time, both effects trigger assuming that you fast enter a locker and then fast exit the one that you’re teleported to. It still only takes the single health state

If I could make the changes, this is what I would do Orb halve slow down and increase its speed Skeletons can only be crouch dodged if they go through a wall otherwise out in the open you cannot crouch them Fly completely remove or divide in half the cool slow down after flying over a pallet or window Mage hand increase duration of a pallet hold or decrease slow down Then I would also add in Magic items have a set number of charges except the hand and eye The hand and eye apply a broken status effect for 30 to 40 seconds after their use so they cannot just be healed away immediately after use

Also, Vecna should get some type of bonus for using his Mori on someone using one of his items. Vecna getting his eye and hand back is a BIG deal, they greatly improve his capabilities and something like that should be in the game. You gain awesome power but if Vecna gets to you and recovers his artifacts, everyone is boned.

16:05 Small correction I'd like to make here is that it teleports you to a further locker, not farthest. I've gotten teleported to a locker just a few meters away using this item on some occasions. For example, once I tried using it on the Torment Creek main building lockers and I teleported to the lockers on the other side of the wall.

16:55 BHVR has truly outdone themselves now. They made a killer that makes you wanna kill yourself if you play it. But survivors will have fun cause they have cool super OP items. So now its impossible for even the most sweatiest tryhards to try to say that BHVR dont favour survivors, cause they literally made a killer that has nothing but utter shit in its kit, but it gives survivors even more power what they already had... So survivors gets BUFFED by the killer xD

fun fact: all slowdowns after casting a spell last for 2 seconds. Exept Flight. It slows you for 2.5 seconds. BUT he has an addon that removes exactly 0.5 seconds of slowdown after flight. BHVR once again forcily created a problem and made an addon as a solution

All they need to do to Mage Hand is just have it break the pallet instead of raising it.

In my opinion all of vecnas powers should be buffed to OP on purpose. This killer has a counter item for every one of his spells. And don't forget two for fun counter items that let you completely escape the killer while healthy and straight up turn invisible. Make all his abilities good which combined will make him OP to balance out the counter items to him.

I think that the idea of it being able to break pallets and breakable walls but it takes 2 seconds to complete sounds good

The changes I would overall make to him after having spent a solid portion of a day playing him, and only him: 1. The "Slow down" mechanic most all killers have when 'charging' their power up should not apply to him. What I mean is when holding M2 to cast a spell, it should not slow you down at all, retain full movement speed. The delay before you can act again can still remain if you do not lose as much distance because of such a change. 2. The base duration of Mage Hand should be 1 second longer, and the gloves add-on that increases it by 1 second should be reduced to 0.5 seconds to compensate for the change to avoid it from being an automatic pick add-on. 3. The width of the skeletons should increase slightly, increasing the chance of landing a hit if someone is not ducking. Ducking should still be an important counterplay to the ability, as the spell itself works differently than Artist crows. It does not go up or down elevations, instead it goes at a static height based on where you are when you cast it, and that should stay the same; gives him more skill expression that way. In addition, the base amount of skeletons fired should be reduced to 4 from 5. This makes it so that his Iridescent add-on that causes the Skeletons to be fired at knee-height also reduces the amount of skeletons to be from 4 to 1, making it more of a precise ability-- in addition, skeletons summoned from that add-on should also be increased in size, making it even larger than the aforementioned change. 4. Fly should have the delay before landing be reduced by 0.5 seconds, however the "Speed Potion" add-on should instead give the spell a second usable charge whenever it is available, allowing you to fly twice rapidly. 5. Survivor's teleport magical artifact effect should cost a blood price, injuring a survivor who uses it, or putting them in Deep Wound if they already were injured. 6. The Dispel Orb should originate around The Lich, and then when it reaches full size, begin to move in the direction it was targeted. This would allow him to reveal his direct surroundings first and foremost before sending the orb away and reduce the chance that he just barely missed a Survivor he was already in chase with. The cooldowns are fine, despite player complaints. After having used both spell-cooldown add-ons in tandem for many games, I can say that having a flat 15 second reduction to all four spells' cooldowns simply for winning a chase with two hits is very powerful. If it MUST be changed, then the add-ons should also be reduced in power respectively to the base amount reduced. Additionally, the ability for Lich to pass through Survivors when switching his spells should be considered a bug and not a feature. As much as I like being able to deny body-blocking, it's clearly unintended and if I wanted to get around body-blocking then I should have to use Fly to go over the Survivors.

21:15 EXACTLY! its obvious how much they want us to stop abusing blight, yet they keep removing weak killers crutches and adding genrush perks. bad taste indeed.

you can have both the Hand and Eye on 1 person. if someone dies on hook with either item, but hasn't attuned to it, you can pick it up and attune to it even if you already have one of them.

I hate the fact they nerfed bamboozle because of just one killer

It would be interesting as a way of buffing languid touch to do the same the did with the Twins perk "Hoarder" , where the same way they add 2 additional chests in the realm to increase the perk's effect, with languid touch increasing the crows spawn rate a 30% or similar to make it worth during a chase

They really should have made Vecna balanced around having a vicious tug of war between his powers and the survivor's magic items. Mage Hand should throw pallets, and maybe even generators, to other spawn points entirely, while survivors with the magic item able to summon temporary pallets to escape. Dispelling Orb should be replaced by a permanent Scrying Orb that Vecna can control and move around the map at will, with survivors able to appear invisible or even dispell it with the right magic item. Give him an iri addon to make it possible to teleport to it at the cost of dispelling it. His Skeleton power should be a spell that randomly mimics other killer's projectiles (Hatchets, Deathslinger shots, Clown Bottles, Skull Merchant Lasers, Freddy Rifts, PHead Attacks, etc) and has a short cooldown, but can be defended against by any piece of magic armor. I would even say to turn his speed down to 110 to compensate for this being his main mode of attack. Fly is fine, but should have multiple options that let you change the spell to other movement options.

The most survivor sided killer lmao (only singularity can be more) Him not getting any advantage/strenghment when recovering his eye/hand not being able to look after it is problaly one of his main weakness/boringness Survs should be able to use the items powers,but using they will not harm if the user has done more than 75% of an gen

22:10 Fun fact: this Perk works when you get healed

I love the fact the got Matt Mercier to voice vecna. Very thematic

If they just decreased the cast time and maybe increased the speed for the skeletons it would be better. I just think a survivor has too much time to react.

The problem with vecna is how he gets punished to all abilities he has

I really think the worse thing about him is the cooldowns for his spells, they should be like half as long. Also why does he start on cooldown at the beginning of the match? He’s basically an m1 killer longer than dredge is and that’s sad. I think a few changes could be made to some of the spells, but it is a fine balance of being too OP and too weak.

Love ya videos ❤

They could have made magic hand have the ability to drop and either hit or stun the survivors with the pallets if a survivor steps under it during the 4 secs

So what you are saying the dnd chapter, the one with bards, has a killer that does a lot of stuff but nothing particularly good… a jack of all trades one might say

I believe that to fix Vecna's cooldowns in a bakanced way they should change it to an order cooldown. Like if I use Magic Hand, I need to use other 2 spells before using it again. This way you can "spam" your spells without making it too op

Good Video that explains so much. I also see the new Killer to weak for the game but let's see if that killer will get a buff

vecna might just be another Freddy a amalgamation of other killers

1 think about Mage Hand, if survivor predrop pallet in standart loops and jungle gyms - Hand becomes completely useless

The fly skill I'm okay to keep it the same way, it should use for travelling or getting close to survivor and to use for hitting survivor is a bit too much consider it easy to use. But other skill should get buff a bit more.

As a dnd player I love this chapter and I am definitely going to get it. I am excited to eventually get vecna and the survivors. Despite the fact that I’m excited I think there are some buffs that are needed to the slowdowns and cool downs.

I have a feeling the huge recovery slowdown for Verna was put in because behavior balanced team are to terrified of another twins instead recovery rework even though Verna magic and Victor pounce are two completely different things.

I can see how if they do give any buffs he can be too crazy. Because he basically has 4 different abilities

Honestly, all of his powers have clear and easy counters (except maybe the ball, being invisible and such) and then on top of that have items that give the survivors even more counterplay on top of that. They need to either remove counterplay from the base spells or from the items. Make the skeletons spawn closer to Vecna, increase ball speed, make fly have less of a landing delay, make mage hand block the pallet for longer or keep a lifted pallet up for a few seconds. He needs something.

Urban Evasion is going to be helpful.

In my opinion Bhvr giving him powers for all moments and making them incredibly weak,(except Fly, but it's bad too as I think) being afraid making him too strong + items which helps to counter it in different ways and spec items which I think shouldn't be in the game, since the punish for using them is very low, and Vecna can't really do anything with it is a VERY bad decision. In my opinion Vecna in his current state in PTB is VERY Low tier killer, shortly saying: A lot of abilities, but the abilities are useless. And lot of people close eyes on it because:"Omg, he's so cool; Damn, so much powers! ; Wow, items!" So in my opinion Bhvr needs A LOT of work to do with him, and small buffs won't help.

3:34 Which means it will probably be removed becouse BHVR doesn't like that.

I think the hand should just lift the pallet into the air so you can walk under and the survivor couldn’t drop it down

Am I wrong? That steeled site is a better version of insidious

Tbh the worst functions of this killer is his cooldown, and his slowdown. Decreased all the cool downs by 10-15% you can adjust however later the developers just need to take a risk on making him broken even if it makes people upset for a second you'll know exactly what to fine tune. The orb tbh is fine, but needs a slight speed increase. The skeletons need to just activate slightly faster Mage hand either needs to have reduced slow down, or increased cast time. Hes desgined fine, he interesting, and brings a lot to the table But hes gonna either be broken or mediocre Hes a character for people who are very meticulous in their decision making which for an extremely fast game seems terrible.

I think dark arogance should give 3/5/10% haste. doubled for 10 seconds after being stuned or blinded

Oh my god I figured out why I like mage hand so much... IM A DOCTOR MAIN

I'm used to weak killers so.... I'll still be using him

It's weird how a lich god, who can cast "disintegration" at will, can be defeated with a pallet from Home Depot.

I thought the same thing while watching his reveal/ kit explained. He's a worse version of a lot of killers wrapped up into 1. Since his add ons basically make specific spells more useful, you might as well play the killer that does the power better! Do have to say he's a 10/10 theme wise. I love dnd and love they added equipment for surv and even mimics 😂

You seem not to be familiar with some DnD terminology the 20 sided die is called a D20, therefore rolling a D20 referes to rolling the die. When you roll a a 20 it is usually called a nat 20 as in DnD dice rolls are almost always modified

I don't see the problem with transferring the crouch dodge to a magic item or just removing it completely, this ability already has a long cooldown that punishes you for missing and there was literally a clip in this very video that shows they can be dodged either by moving out of range or running through the gaps they leave as they fly

Least with this killer a few number changes here & there should make him way better to play. I can only see a few buffs for him when he releases. But is bhvr so, who knows...

He doesn't really have a complicated power. He has four very simple powers, most of which are variations (That are intentionally worse) of old killer powers.

They are trying to balance him but I agree now he looks like he needs some buffs.

i love this channel

If I'd have a shot every time a new killer was weak, I'd be dead or alcoholic

Other than some numbers buffs for vecna i see this whole ptb as a complete success, the gen regression nerfs however I'm still sad about but as killer i usually don't run them

Wouldn't it make more sense if mage hands lift downed pallets Then block it for 2 seconds afterwards so survivors can't just throw it down Immediately Also maybe increase ability to block upright pallets to 5 seconds instead of 4.

I don't care about his weak. I feel very fun played as The Lich. i really love him so much!

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Imagine if Dispelling Sphere disabled PERKS as well

I've been playing Dungeons and Dragons for multiple years, even had my own campaign. I can say WITHOUT A DOUBT, his power feels like how a DM controls a monster in battle. It's extremely immersive and I'm so happy with how he works, even if he's not the best

I wish they made merasmus a killer but this is still cool

Fun for the Survivors but not the killer?

Matt Mercer the GOAT

use vecnas perk + orange glyph for 5 second pallet stuns lul

Honestly, I kinda wish the Hand and Eye of Vecna were tied to a perk rather than Vecna himself, I think it could lead to some interesting plays in general against a lot of killers.

His iri add on that lowers the skeletons should be base kit I know this would add a lot of un dodge able setups but it sucks by default

Fortunately, is the ptb. So there still is time for BHVR to fix these bugs.

20:33 Gabriel isnt human?

WAIT BAMBOOZLE IS NERFED?????

im guessing they wanted vecna to err on the weaker side for the ptb, especially since the last ptb with twins was bonkers

Fun if someone enjoys losing game after game expecting a different result at some point.

Such a shame. A very unique killer with a crazy dice roll mechanic for survivor and gets survivor new abilities however because of how weak he is we'll never really see him in higher or even mid level play.

Right now, Vecna is overtuned but underpowered. All these anti-loop tools only for them to actually help looping with the drastic slowdowns and piss easy counters to them. Dropping god pallets early will become a genuine strat against bad Lich players because theyll use mage hand to relift it, giving you back the god pallet, and giving you plenty of time to reset the loop or W key to another loop. Imo, if they dont wanna buff mage hand in any feasible way, they should at least make the iri add-on to break dropped pallets basekit

some bg3 skins would be awesome

In a way, Vecna is every killer combined but has more counters as a result!

It’s funny the DnD killer is the most fun to play with/against

Honestly just significantly reduce or completely remove the slowdowns while casting and I think he would be fine.

so many peeps are bitching but they took a leap with this killer, everyone is agreeing on his issues i bet on full release he'll be more balanced with less slowdowns

15:08 No way, we can pretend to be Goblin Slayer, except it happens on D20 instead of D1

YEP

Good

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What someone in dbd actually gives Unbiased take ? Super rare but yeah u are right vecna sck balls rn

24 seconds is insane to be early

He seems to suffer from a Jack of all trades, but master of none type situation. His powers are similar to a lot of other killers, we’ve already got a Jack of trades with demo and imo demo does it better. Vecna does have a lot of potential though. He seems like the type of character that can either be super broken OP very easily, or very meh overall depending how his numbers are tweaked. Then the fact he has similar issues with singularity where his powers can essentially be shut down by items and such. BHvR tends to play things safe and prefers to make weak stuff out the gate then balances upwards. Which I suppose is fair enough. But I’d rather something be op then tone it down. I dunno. His perks as a whole are meh, and playing him like you said is less fun than playing against him. I hope they take from the PTB he needs some buffs, but not too much. He has potential.

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Looks like Vectra needs buffs