I own an rm8 (Woodstock) my son owns the BSA. We both agree they each have thier pros and cons. I would agree the rm8 is better at targets the bsa is lighter and more suited to hunting. Loudness, the bsa is definitely louder without a mod on. But with the mods we have the bsa on my sons and umerex on mine, the bsa is quieter. I feel they are pretty balanced as in which is best, but like I said both have their own pros and cons.
Hi mate. Great info. Both of those rifles have been on my “next gun” list. My heart was with the ultra and you have helped me make that decision. Great vid!
There are two things about the RM8. Firstly it is a heavy beast, rather like a quality springer. However, not being a recoiling rifle the weight does it no favours as a farmyard gun. Secondly the bolt is a bit stiff and graunchy from new. They need running in and therefore the gun is a better used buy than new. They are of course very accurate as you would expect with a Walther barrel. The Ultra is a superb farmyard/hide gun. Nicer than a bullpup in my view. Very pointable as you say. Also the bolt is butter smooth and the trigger superb. In plastic stock the prices of these two are similar. Definitely a horses for courses comparison. I enjoyed it.
Great video Chris, thank you. Having bought a springer to get into airgunning a few months ago (day 1 of a two week family isolation for you know what) I took the plunge 4 weeks ago on a PCP. I had been looking at the BSA Ultra CLX but then realised i needed bottle, filler probe and a few other bits and pieces sand the costs started escalating. My local gun shop (Range and Country, Sleaford) recommended I take a look at the RM8 and I’m glad I did. Did my reading and went back a few days later, and made the purchase in a “kit” with hard case, pellets, targets, filler bottle, probe and silencer. I wanted the shorter version (UC) so they even swapped a UC stock with the beech wood stock for me to give me exactly what I wanted! I’m really pleased with it, it’s solidly built, consistent, accurate and looks fantastic. I’ll recommend them to anyone because the quality and performance for the price is insane. Love your videos, keep doing what you’re doing as the “just a bloke like you” approach really works compared to a lot of the other guys out there. Always look forward to your videos and am obviously a subscriber. Cheers!
Dean. This is a lovely message. Thank you. I am pleased to hear that you enjoy my videos, but I am way happier to hear that you have found a gun that works so well for your needs! You have a monster rig there. I hope you are enjoying some shooting this weekend! Thank you for your continued support. We are so close to 1000 subs now!
I've seen reviews with more bells and whistles and reviews that were more entertaining, but that wasn't what I was looking for at all when I typed in walther rm8 vs bsa ultra clx. I've been looking at both recently (having not shot or even held either) and whilst innately knowing they would exhibit comparably similar performances i didn't think that i would actually be able to find a direct comparison on RU-vid, being that they are both effectively middle range guns for their respective brands in terms of pricing and features. Thank you for the clear, concise, no bullshit review. A little bit more info on the guns would have been appreciated, but im aware of the specs already and for what I was looking for, that wasn't really needed.
Really enjoyed the comparison. For me the CLX is the better all-rounder for my purposes, though really good to see what the RM8 is like (I think the weight puts me off more than the length!) Impressive 50m target shooting at the end of the video!!
A very informative video, thank you, I think its definitely the BSA Ultra after watching this though. Reason being it just looked superior in build quality, especially the trigger etc. Also the 50m shots was impressive. I would use it as an all rounder but perhaps more for pest control. The BSA looked ideal for that but the RM8 not at all.
Very interesting. I am now somewhat glad I first chose the rm8 beech over the Ultra. Most of my shooting IS target work, but you are 100% correct that it is NOT a gun designed for long term free holding. I do a bit of pest control, and it is a lot harder with the RM8 then my lightweight Co2 rifle for this, however, it is deadly accurate. I am now, however, really tempted to get the ULTRA purely for sporting because it just looks so god damn comfortable :)
Yes - I think that is a decent assessment of the main difference between these two guns. Either gun is good...it's just a matter of what you want to do with it.
Do you have any recommendations for getting rid of scratches on the rm8 stock. My younger lad caught mine on the edge of the table when shooting with his brother.
@@southwestshooters I got 1 little dent its tiny though, and a scratch on the bottom of the butt by the hand grip. It's hardly noticable unless you turn it upside down.
@@nasserisback488 It's all part of ownership. But there's videos on RU-vid about using hot water/steam with wet towels and an iron to pull dents out of gun stocks.
A really interesting review, thank you. I’ve only recently spoken with Crack Shot about purchasing a BSA Ultra CLX. It seems to be the ideal PCP for my needs and as I already own two other BSA’s all be it springers, feel reasonably confident in the brand. My concern creeps in with slightly longer term ownership of this model because as you too have mentioned, I’ve read some horror stories and opinions of this PCP. Am quite sure Crack Shot would sort out any warranty issues but I’d rather not have the hassle in the first place and right now I’m wondering whether I should take the chance. I wonder if all PCP’s are less reliable than the simplistic break barrel springers…..?
I love both rifles. But I plan on getting the BSA ULTRA in 177cal. I don't know anyone who carries the CLX in the USA. I like the sub 12ft pounds Ultra for close up hunting in the woods. It's compact size and lightweight are perfect.
Heith. Why not email the boys at Crackshot? You might even be able to get the exact gun used in the video. It's worth a try? Perhaps? I'm not sure about the legalities of shipping a gun over the Atlantic, but you could try.
Could you get hold of a artemis p15 to do the same test with or one of the new snowpeak guns,they are around the same price.would be good to watch.great vid anyway,cheers
I have just bought a rm8 177 and when i get the chance will put it up against my webley raider quantum 177 which im comfortable shooting vermin and targets with it would be intresting to see you do the same test Great fair video thanks
Owned both but prefer the Ultra. A few hours in the field and the RM8 is a dead weight. My Ultra has silky smooth cocking action, the RM8 was notchy and felt as though the pellet probe was forcing the pellets into the barrell. I've used both for about a year each, without doubt the BSE Ultra for me.
Can't really comment on the comparison test , yes , I've seen many reviews and tests on probably ALL models of the RM8 , BUT it ain't the same as actually shooting one , obviously ( as you know ) the Mrs owns the CLX and with that I know it's capabilities , so yeah it's a good comparison test , but has another subscriber has mentioned , a similar test with the heavier 10.34 JSB may deliver closer , if not different results .. even in HADES form , although I've tried the Hades in all my .177's with no descent groups to report ..
My friend has the RM8 and loves it but it's just too heavy for me as I have weakness on my left side due to nerve damage 😬 I was loving the look and feel of the Air Arms S510 carbine but then I saw the BSA Ultra CLX on a website and the fact it's so light made me think I should go with that? 🤔 It will be my first rifle and I am not looking to kill anything, though Magpies might become a target if they annoy me enough 😆 From reading the comments it seems that the pellets make a difference to the grouping? The Air Arms and the BSA both look beautiful to me 😍 I have yet to try the BSA with regards to holding it but am thinking it could be good for me 🤗 Thanks for the video Chris 👍🏻
You are most welcome. If the mass of the gun is an issue then I'd suggest the clx. However, I believe the Air Arms s510 carbine is a superior gun. Not pellet fussy, and they can be brought in a light stock.... I'd recommend that in all honesty.
Hi Chris. Amazingly I bought a CLX on the date you have above. Now today after having great fun with it over the last months I've got the MTC Range finder which looks like adding to the fun. In the App it asks for the TPI of the rifling or how many turns per inch. Not sure why it needs that, but just in case I'd like to fill that box. Any idea as to what that could be. The info is not on the sheet that came with the gun, so I'm not sure if there is one standard or other options. Best Dave ( a subscriber )
I think it's something that can be ignored! I spoke to my friend and he indicated its nothing to worry about. Thanks for the message and thanks for the support!
Theyre both good guns. Why chose? Enjoy shooting what you have. I have an older wooden stock rm8 I love it. Its accurate as anything else. I have a bsa r10 and I love that too. Have krals , air arms, smk, sig. Theyre all great fun. All different. Hard to choose a favourite. Probably it would be my tx200 hc. Love the stock on it. Feels good in the hand. Though its heavey. And for a spring gun its as accurate as any of my pcp s But hell long as you have time. And somewhere to shoot its fun
Totally . Its why we all watch these u tube videos. Trouble is I need to win the lotto and have an air gun room. Lol I want them all. Thats the trouble
Looked at the rm8, not a fan of the plastic, liked the bottle. Try a regulated bsa with a pellet that suits and you'll put pellet on pellet at 40 as well as hitting the self resetting target. I've got an R10 ratworked in .177, so silent you'd think it hadn't fired and is an absolute tack driver. It has a buddy bottle the same shape. Had the non ratworked in .22 and that was just as accurate. I'd pick it over a few I've tried including air arms, weirauch and fx.
why didn't you use paper target at 50 yards for a final "shoot off" for the guns?, it could of made for a more solid argument for vermin vs target shooting rifle. good point on the free hand compatibility but the RM8 does have a shorter barrel option for a truer comparison. I would be interested to hear your thought, I am still in two minds on either the RM8 or a BSA, decisions decisions decisions, both good rifles . good video, good shooting , many thanks
Hi Chris, I think we have crossed paths once or twice with a mutual friend one David lenord from Q. E. C. C, lovin the videos 👌I'm also into air rifles but finding it hard to find somewhere to shoot, are you part of a group local to Exeter? Many thanks. Rich
Hello Rich. Yes I do remember you. I am not part of any group, and I doubt I will ever be. I have asked David for your number. I will be in contact with you soon. Thank you for the message.
Interesting video, i own both of these in .177 and the CLX is the better (for me)of the two guns in terms of accuracy/groupings. There is some interesting information on the UK airgun forum about the RM8 and that it is more or less unserviceable when or if the reg fails! How true that is i do not know , just what a very experienced moderator of that forum wrote so dont shoot me down on that! ( he banned me for life from the forum for questioning his views on the RM8, and he is often referred to when anyone mentions one). TBF to him he takes some fantastic photos along with some very in-depth information including full strip downs and its well worth a look. AGF user "cloverleaf".
I can't really comment on the forum thing, as I don't go there too often - but I have heard similar things about the regulator too. I guess if it happens, it happens, and it will have to be managed. Thank you for the comment and please consider subscribing if you enjoyed this video.
Yes I did. I was unable to get better groups with the BSA - but as I mentioned in the video, pellet on pellet accuracy is not the point of this gun. It is better used for sporting. It is, however, very consistent.
If you had used h&n barracuda ft's in the bsa your results would have been a lot better. I own 3 r10's 2 ratworks 177 &22 , one airtech in177, and have just bought a clx all of them prefer the h&n's
Bsa ultra all day long, not a fan of bsa new stuff but love the old mmc, ultra, walther is far to heavy, 40 yards shooting both guns by me no difference in grouping, walther is regulated bsa is not, my old ultra is regulated and seriously nocks spots off the wather, good review,
hi chris , can you help me ? i want to buy a pcp air rifle with a very high number of shots more than 600 shots with one filling i dont need higher joule for me its enough to shot 7,5 joule max is 16 joule power more not and 4,5mm 177 caliber I ask you you surely have more experience in this area , do you know what a typ air rifle can do this ? a pcp air rifle in caliber 4,5mm 177 with just one filling more than 600 shots with 500- 530- 580cc tank ? thank you
If you are looking strictly for that massive shot count, from my experience you would be looking at an FX. One of the following models.... The Maverick, impact mk2 or mk3. However, I'm only making these suggestions based on the shot count. I'd suggest a daystate every single time. Especially the Red Wolf. You won't get 600 shots, but you can get 300 plus... I am unaware of any other make that I have actually used that have a massive shot count. Perhaps look at the Uragan?
@@southwestshooters so you say there are pcp air rifles that shoot even 900 shots ? thats unbelievable awsome , so you say that the fx impact mk3 or all fx air rifle with 480cc tank and 500- 580cc tank can shoting over 600-700-800 shots with just one filling right ? and the daystate airwolf to so you say just 2-3-4 typ air rifle on 7,5 joule in cal 177 4,5mm can shoting over 600-700-800 shots
I can't in any way promise that. I can guarantee that you can get between 500 and 600 shots from the FX guns I mentioned earlier....perhaps more if you have a maximum power point that is set less than 12 foot pounds. I know that from experience from using the guns. I would guess you can get more, but this is only a guess and I might be wrong. If you want to speak to a pro phone crackshot and ask for James.
That can be a good thing. Unregulated rifles with good valving are great for hunting. They are simpler and have 4 less O rings typically. Plus the reg creep and possibly breaking don't exist.
Got to say I’ve owned both of theses and they are both as good as each other. However when you were shooting the RM8 you were adjusting the rest, where as you didn’t with the BSA so I say not a fair contest. Sorry mate just saying it as I see it. Ex infantry and a Bisley 100
@@southwestshooters thanks for replying many don’t. I’ve watched quite a few of your reviews and they are some of the best out there. Good clear speaking voice and a confident handler of the rifles you use. I will certainly subscribe as they are all very useful and worth the time to watch. Many thanks have a great safe Christmas and new year
@@janhudson4501 thank you so much for the vote of confidence! I always try to respond to everyone that takes the time to comment on my videos. If you are going to invest some time, then I should do the same! Thanks again and merry Christmas!
And I put it to you that the ultra is lacking power which has a significant bearing on acuracy as the range gets longer. I do not believe that those groupings are a true representation of those rifles capabilities.
What a wishy-washy I do like but I don't like review with some silly answers like a your going to find any full power pcp air rifles on the market that doesn't bark abit when fired it's the nature of a pcp setup and the hole accuracy thing there are so many variables to put in play to be able to make a judgement, sorry but this is one of the worst reviews iv watched
Well those comments are very constructive . Personally like your presentation style . It's clear and precise and to the point. without all the yahoo of some other channels. Carry on .
@@rufusduck71 thank you Stuart. I believe Heith was referring to Henry, as he is a supportive member of the community. I also appreciate the kind words, and support, from you. Thanks again.
@@southwestshooters My comment was referring to Henry. Perhaps I should have named him to avoid any misunderstanding. I think people are "cry babies" to complain about free content. This channel is excellent. ❤👍
