Watchmen (Zack Snyder 2009) - Caravan Of Garbage 

I think he wanted Helena Bonham Carter to play Johnny Depp playing all the roles

That would have been a better film. Snyder screws up every comic he touches.

Pretty sure you're confusing him with Michael Joseph Jackson being considered to play every role.

You're confused, Michael Jackson was actually slated for every role

Broken saint A stop motion puppet of a undead Helen Bonham Carter playing Johnny Depp playing every character as well as most of the scenery and props.

True. He's really good at dissecting a grand singular event and putting focus on the iconic elements in it. He shows you details that you'll remember years down the line.

Why do people say stuff like that... you know movies have writers, right? David Hayter and Alex Tse were the story tellers... it's just the directors job to translate that story to the visual medium, which is exactly what Snyder does, and does well. If you have a problem with Man of Steel, blame Goyer and Nolan as they were the writers. If you have a problem with BvS, Blame Goyer and Terrio.... SNYDER DOES NOT WRITE THESE STORIES. Idiots don't even understand how the industry works.

True, but I don't think his visual style, while fantastic, suits a story like Watchmen. He portrays the characters as being way too superhuman and the action is filmed in a way to make it look less grounded. It doesn't really work well with the story Allan Moore told. I'd rather he took more liberties with the property and made an adaptation with changes that better suited his style of filmmaking and personal philosophy. As the video suggests, there are plenty of changes to the source material he wanted to make but didn't. Would be interested in seeing that alternate universe version of the film, even if it was overall worst than the original comic.

Samur/Aye Not to be that guy, but I don’t think you fully grasp how movies work either. While it’s true not all directors write screenplays, and Zach Snyder doesn’t write his own, the screenplay is the element with the least respect given to it when it comes to a film. Some directors adhere very closely to the screenplay, some directors throw the whole thing out entirely. Some directors have a hand in the screenplay some don’t. In the end, the director has final call on literally every element of the film. This is how Zach Snyder damaged Man of Steel. The screenplay for Man of Steel isn’t god awful, but it all gets mangled in the edit. If the scenes had been placed in chronological order, the movie would have been a lot better. The constant flashbacks mess with the movie’s flow and also the movie answers the question “will Clark be Superman” before it even asks it. Zach Snyder also should have known to either cut the Pa Kent telling Clark to hide his powers or given that enough screen time to explore this version of Superman, but he didn’t. Zach Snyder had control over the editing of that film and he mangled it. Because a director has final say in the final version a film, barring studio interference, the movie exists in the form it does because of directorial choices, and yes that includes the screenplay. If the screenplay sucks and the director leaves the screenplay as it is, that’s the director’s fault, since they should have known better. It’s the same if the screenplay is great and the director mangled it. Zach Snyder would be a fantastic cinematographer, but he can’t seem to wrap his head around how to actually tell a story.

​@@SA80TAGE I generally agree. The problems with Snyder's films are usually in the script. And although he has a couple of screenwriting credits, it seems that what he does is suggest ideas, then the actual writer does the script. A lot of problems with BvS are due to the writing, not to the ideas (just pay attention to Luthor's dialog and wonder how _anyone_ could have made it work). In some of Snyder's films he's arguably emphasised the visuals at the expense of the story, but when I saw BvS I was actually surprised at how toned-down it was. I expected it to be a lot more spectacular. With Man of Steel, I think the main problem is lack of balance in the script. For a start, it needed to lighten up in the middle, to give the audience a chance to relax before the bombastic action recommenced. Also, the final fight should really have had more human interest - it fell into "blockbuster movie syndrome" where it was spectacular but dull.

B. Catão Definitely

It was truly garbage

That film was so disappointing. Way more than Watchmen.

@Bea r the first 20 minutes of the movie is a made up story they added just about batgirl and batman and her have sex it dosent fit in the story and ruins the rest of the movie

@Bea r because it's garbage

I absolutely need to hear masos take on that garbage joke of a film

@@genghiskhanxxx5276 Yeah that adaptation was hugely disappointing.

@@Axolotl_Mischief I was really looking forward to it but as soon as batman and batgirl have sex I was like wtf were they thinking

The scenes that were taken right from the comic itself was really good but all the extra shit that they added like the heavy Batgirl storyline and the fact that her and Bats had sex really ruined it from being a great animated film.

@@westnile21 the scenes from the comic felt a bit rushed I thought, which can easily be blamed on them spending half the film on the batgirl story

I seriously want it for ever caravan now.

That was all Ben!

Ben is the GOAT

The Man of Constant Sorrow Elias A second wouldn’t do it justice.

That song is the reason I refused to watch it the first time. Bob Dylan's voice is sooo irritating. I tried again later and skipped it.

The sound direction of this movie was great. And we got that cool My Chemical Romance cover too.

@@keithriley6597 ...what is wrong with you?

Keith Riley What ....? 😳 , hmmmmmm okey 😐. No offence.

Really don’t think they would be that different, Zach Snyder is super hero Michael bay

@@forest8779 holy shit, you are so right.

@@forest8779 No man they are pretty dang different. For one Zack snyder has a better visual style and Zack Snyder also tries different things with his movies. And women aren't eye candy in his movies.

@@thabreez456 meanwhile Bay has better movies. Bad boys 1 and 2 were excellent. The Rock is a masterpiece in the action thriller genre. Transformers 1 and 2 were good. The Island was decent. 13 hours is fucking good. These are some of them. And Zack has only 300 as a good movie. All others are below average ones. I cannot even include aotd as a movie. It is a cheap fan animation parody of Zack movies for me.

You'd get a nutsack joke in Watchmen and (attempts at) Biblical allegory in Transformers.

AZ

There are no flaws, it’s a masterpiece by all objective measures.

@@christoferprestipino7433 it deviated too much from the source material...

@@HAL_NOVEMILA stfu

@@christoferprestipino7433 No need to be aggressive, I already said that I think it is a great movie, but it is a fact that it changes a lot from the comic. You saying to me to shut up won't change that

I don't blame the guy.

He is still credited on the justice league unlimited episode "For the Man who has everything"

@@GNerdfulto be fair, that is the best adaptation of his works

@@GNerdful reckon it’s cause he’s quite fond of that one adaptation

Not just movies, many comics too. Marvel bought the rights to his 80s run of MiracleMan stories and republished them with Marvel on the cover (LOL) and Alan moore said nah fam take my name off that. So it just says "original author".

Dr Unemployed naw....

Dylan Rodrigues yaw

Overrated* by 15 year old edgelords

I loved it, still watch it occasionally and always enjoy it.

I quite liked it as a movie. Only thing that really ruined it for me was that dumb gag at the end of spilling ketchup on the smiley face badge.

11 bang bang

Yeah but, remember how when the movie lost money, Zack Snyder changed his tune completely. Maybe not about Watchmen, but his film body of work for DC has been two parallels: him getting more and more control over every aspect of the films he makes, and the movies being less faithful, and shittier as a result.

it's made by scientologists soooo

Even before you could spell your name!!!!

It's not a bad movie it has bad elements that drag it down but it has always felt like an homage to early 50's sci-fi.

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Manhattan made a dress with the material. It was supposed to be for Kitty Genovese but as she was killed, Walter ended up with it. Eventually he learned how to cut it using heat.

And JK Simmons as J Jonah Jameson 🙌

Rorschach was played by Jackie Earle Haley, who was a child actor in the 70's. His most well known role was Kelly Leek in the Bad News Bears series of fims in the 70's

@@andrewkaye2108 He also played "The Terror" in Amazon's remake of the Tick a few years ago.

Love the Killing Joke pic 👍👍👍👍

His only good one after 300 I wish DCEU hadn't put in charge of everything thought

Second...after _Sucker Punch._ Fight me!

Dawn of the Dead easily, but greatly helped by James Gunn's script.

He only works in movies where he don't have much creative output. So, Don't let him anywhere near creative department.

@Nic Rock It was ok and BvS, JL were garbage.

Yes it is. The Black Freighter really adds weight to the entire story.

@@streetrat48 that's the Ultimate Cut, not the DC

Atom Manhattan I honestly prefer the theatrical cut. It feels more efficient with its runtime

@@streetrat48 Literally adds nothing when he didn't even put the squid in it.

@@blyzer7373 For you I guess lol

Nope, The Incredibles is Watchmen for kids.

Syndrome had a cape in all of his scenes though

@@NameGoesWhere0 How many scenes did he have compared to putting capes on everyone? Think buddy, think.

He doesn't have a vision for what it would be like because he's insistent that adaptation of his work is impossible.

Moore is probably most upset about the rights situation because DC promised him and Gibbons the Watchmen rights when the comics fell out of print. They then used it to launch the modern graphic novel industry so it never fell out of print.

Akira Toriyama could tell you that from first-hand experience.

It's a mistake, Moore doesn't have the rights. WB/DC Comics own Watchmen, Moore has just the right to a cut as creator and he rejected it for the movie leaving all the credits to the artist.

Even if you see the film as its own creation it is still fucking stupid. Rorschach a clearly demented fascist is portrayed as the hero and thought of the World uniting especially the Soviets when supposedly an American hero/ government agent killed millions of people all over the planet is simply laughable. It would be like if Navy Seal Team 6 flew over new York and Moscow, dropping atomic bombs and the Russians will be like "hey let's join forces with America because it is not at all their fault."

I had to go back to make sure i saw what i thought i did. I some how totally missed it in the movie.

Holy shit

That... And 9:15 maybe?

Dick.

man I googled this quote and your comment is the only result. What are you quoting?

Hey, you're that guy that kept commenting "Kiss me fat boy" back when IT Chapter 2 came out.

@@jesusstaccato8448 It's from Chapter 11 of the graphic novel

@@jesusstaccato8448 ozymandias Is telling how he met the comedian for the first time.

I hated Sweeney Todd so much. I was expecting a horror movie, not a musical

Ye, i never understood why everyone minded the squid. The idea of humanity uniting against aliens is a pretty damn accessible concept - i mean, look at movies like independence day. It's hella easy to understand

@@MotaShotta well that's on you then for not doing proper research because it was very obvious it was based of the famous broadway musical. they never tried to hide it was a musical. that's like saying you're disappointed that a star wars movie has lightsaber fights. its a part of the source material. plus, just because its a musical doesn't mean it still isn't a horror movie. its still the only movie musical with enough gore and murders to be considered a slasher film so its not like those genres are mutually exclusive.

@@MotaShotta The musical has been around for 40 years, so that’s kind of your fault. I thought it was a good adaptation.

@@danieloneal7137 I was a 16 year old European kid that had never even heard of Broadway and that despised musicals. And the trailer made it look like a creepy horror movie, so how was I supposed to know? I'm still convinced the movie would be so much better without all the stupid singing.

He does seem to have some sort of violence fetish

@@simonegreco1958 he must be a fan of Tarantino

@@Thespeedrap Tarantino has more of an exaggerate fun violence Snyder's is just...kinda sick It's different, more glorified

I'd argue for "Dawn of the Dead", but also, yeah, probably this.

Personally prefer 300 and Man of Steel but Watchmen is quite enjoyable as well

I'd say Dawn of the Dead, just because it has no real weak points. Everything after that is of mixed quality.

ECKohns Wait what that was him? I saw it when it came out and remember absolutely nothing about it

Yea.... Dawn of the Dead is PERFECT!

Yeah, the guy is too cynic to compromise and produce a film with someone else, but he was too greedy to pass on the money for the rights? That's bs.

Yeah they still achieve the same result, I was totally fine with it 😎👍

The movie would have been like 5 hours long with the squid stuff. Lol.

I also think Alan Moore is a pretentious person, but considering he's turned down money for being credited in films like Watchman and he's refused to sell film rights to the stuff he owns in the last 15 year, I would hardly call him greedy.

1) Comic writers as well as most animation creators don't get a lot of rights. They usually get paid once, and then the rest of the money for reprints and such go to the bigger company. 2) It was in Moore's contract that the rights of Watchmen returned to him once it went of out reprint, but DC has constantly reprinted the book, screwing him out of the money and rights he deserves. 3) People have to live and get money, so of course he's gonna sell the rights, but that doesn't mean he doesn't get a say in how it turns out. The Percy Jackson movies are infamous for being bad, but does Rick Riordan selling the rights make him not able to comment on how bad those movies are?

Despite being closer to the novel the miniseries was pretty bad.

Go read the God Damn book you asshole. And TDKR was a great adaption.

The movie is shit, the dark knight returns is awesome

@@walberparker7111 How could it be shit if it is practically the exact same story?

@@alejandrovillalba3143 the whole barbara thing is not in the comic, and there is no batsex

The ultimate cut is great for fans but director is better for moviegoers and nostalgic fans.. theatrical is FiNEe

@@SB992REBORN I can dig it!

Faithful to the comic? Have you read the comic? The themes are totally different.

There is an even more accurate version of the film in the “Ultimate Cut,” you get to see all the scenes at the newspaper stand as well as the entire “Tale of the Black Freighter” story inter spliced at the points where it was in the graphic novel. It’s a little long though, 3 hours and 35 minutes.

@@Amory-wd3ws I've seen it. It still leaves out a lot of the actual character behind the people, although it does help Ozymandius a bit.

@Cataclysmic Dildoser ...I honestly don't think it's worth your time or effort to see out either of the extended cuts. However, if you haven't read the comic, I would strongly recommend it. I actually didn't read the book until after seeing the movie, and the book was still able to reduce me to tears.

The better way is to not shorten it at all.

Yes, because now we get Joker Art house / taxi driver movies. I think ten years ago it wouldn’t work

I agree, this movie feels way deferent from all other superhero movies.

I agree dude..!

I think it's a fairly close adaptation and therefore I can't help but think Mr, Moore is kinda just sour grapes. He's full of sour gra[es? he HAs sour grapes? Idk, whatever it is, he's no less a genius, but he's got hangups about people adapting his shit. Look at George RR Martin. One of a handful of living writers that I'd say equals'/exceeds Moore in genius, BUT he doesn't even bad mouth Season 8. Fucking SEASON 8 of thrones. It RUINED mainstream interest in his Magnum Opus. His work of 25 YEARS. RUINED. And then SHAT upon. and he's just like "it''s a different medium. We can't judge them too harshly. They have limitations taht i did not" Of course, he's partly doing that bc he gets hakf a cent for every dollar HBO collects related to GoT. But still.

Same

Panels And Bars honestly same here, I actually really like this film

Settle down, now.

Settle down for what? Its the truth!

Truth.. My opinion #1

@@SAVANTI711 Thats right!!!

This movie was Zac Snyder's best masterpiece

I think the Ultimate Cut is the best version

What is up with Snyder and these extended cuts?

@@carboy101 his vision keeps getting chopped in favour of more movie showings per day, cost-cutting policies and critic-pleasing pacing constraints.

Dr0pkidd well WB keeps chopping down his cuts so his full versions end up on the home releases. He originally wanted the full version so he has the animated Tales of the Black Freighter made and intercut with the live action, then he felt it didn’t quite work and was too long for the theatrical cut so he took it out, then WB cut out scenes in addition to that to get the theatrical cut. He included his “directors cut” which is the one he likes the best and then later released the ultimate cut for fans who wanted the full thing even though it wasn’t his intended version.

It's probably for the better tbh

Great reference a year later, God bless you.

Scott Summers I guess you’re right. If he were to do that, people would have found his DCU run somewhat enjoyable.

Brandon Gomez Agreed, this would probably be one of his very few good films.

Scott Summers First of all - Not arguing on merits of cinematography, though those arguments do exist. In the 80s, Watchmen mainstreamed the deconstructive approach to superheroes. By making them darker, more human, and openly broken, Alan Moore radically change the way they were depicted. Zack Snyder took on Watchmen as his first superhero movie and we have had to deal with his Kroger Brand/Pseudo-deep characters in almost ever other movie in this genre. It’s like when I see a 13 year old wearing a Nirvana shirt - just grow up and listen to Death Grips

Sameer Kumar 100% - Glad I’m in good company!

@Scott Summers BvS is literally Watchmen with other characters

Well, he didn't sell anything. He never owned the rights in the first place. That's how it works when you work for Marvel and DC.

@@Carabas72 Yeah, that's right. My mistake.

I love it too!

I can't stand what they did to Dr. Manhattan

I heard it was politically correct garbage?

@@maxhydekyle2425 you dont like blueface?

It's literally the same except for the squid... You never even read the comic lmao

@@Digger-Nick Not at all. This video clearly explains the differences and why those changes don't work making the movie an inferior version of the story

@@Digger-Nick Clearly you havent either

Hugh Jass The comics condemn the heroes though but the movie overstylises & glamourises the violence in typical Snyder fashion. That’s one of the pitfalls of making movies as social commentary with bad people as protagonists. You risk making the protagonists look cool & the audience to like them eg Watchmen, Joker, Fight Club, Natural Born Killers, etc. Because movie viewers don’t think of the whole plot when they think of a movie, they think of small bits & pieces like The Comedian looking cool during his fight in the beginning, or Brad Pitt looking like a sexual god with the shirtless body in Fight Club.

@@blyzer7373 What changes don't work?

It’s really not.

He's a wizard, not a magician.

@@phillipbotter6470 speaking of fan boys...

I mean most Zach Snyder movies are financially successful so idk what you mean

This was successful though; unless of course you're comparing it to children's movies like Avengers or Justice League.

He does. But let's be real, magic and sorcery is bullshit either way.

It’s the only way to include all the content and not feel like a bloated mess.