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Watercooled RTX 4090 - MSI Suprim Liquid X 

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Hooked up to a 240mm radiator, this should be one of the coolest RTX 4090s. Here's what I think of the MSI Suprim Liquid X.
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@C7SUS2
@C7SUS2 Год назад
Watching this like I'm ever gonna afford it
@bongkem2723
@bongkem2723 Год назад
in 3 years it's gonna be $700 max
@alksdng97834y
@alksdng97834y Год назад
give it 7-10 years bro
@taylorfrancom8784
@taylorfrancom8784 Год назад
Watching this like the scalpers are ever going to stop buying all of them
@aohjii
@aohjii Год назад
@@alksdng97834y i might be dead by then who knows i dont got that kind of time
@Ashik7525
@Ashik7525 Год назад
watching this like it's mine
@wenhelxing
@wenhelxing Год назад
Realistically, this card is one of the few 4090s that fits an ITX format. This generation of cards are just too big
@n00buo
@n00buo Год назад
Call it "developed for tards w money"
@yurilopes420
@yurilopes420 Год назад
I don't even get why they're so fucking big, the pcb is the same size..
@kli.4162
@kli.4162 Год назад
@@yurilopes420 They draw much more power that needs to be dissipated. The cooling solutions are (mainly) why these cards are so thick.
@zenova9926
@zenova9926 Год назад
@@yurilopes420 COOLING
@octoslut
@octoslut Год назад
@@yurilopes420 Nvidia first intended to make 4000 on Samsung inferior 7/8nm node with target of 600w, then they got tsmc bidding and changed plans. they again tried 600 w on tsmc's node but that failed. so they made over-engieered coolers
@mattspeed
@mattspeed Год назад
They definitely should have been put 90 degrees adapters on tubes exiting from the card
@sopcannon
@sopcannon Год назад
cable mod is working on it apparently
@tomppeli.
@tomppeli. Год назад
@@sopcannon Note: tubes I haven't heard of replacing AIO tubes, but cablemod is definitely working on the 90° 16-pin cable adapter
@EarthIsFlat456
@EarthIsFlat456 Год назад
Yes the positioning of the tubes exiting from the card is just awkward if you mount it horizontally, vertically though it works just fine.
@OscyJack-
@OscyJack- Год назад
Generally 90 degrees is bad for fluid flow. So that's generally why it's not done. It taxes the pump and reduces flow rate, leading to less reliable operation and worsened cooling
@bigturkey1
@bigturkey1 Год назад
i mounted the rad to the front of my case blowing out and then keep my side panel off
@matty6804
@matty6804 Год назад
MSI used to have AIO cooled GPU, called SeaHawk series
@FaridRudiansyah
@FaridRudiansyah Год назад
Yes, i think this is their first time under Suprim series.
@bobhob35
@bobhob35 6 месяцев назад
They made a RTX 3080 which is still an excellent second hand option even today
@Parmenedes
@Parmenedes Год назад
Nice review. That's the model I like the most. It's worth noting that having two bios's isn't just about having one be "better" in some way or even just different from the other one. It's nice to have two bios's because if something goes wrong with one of them, your card isn't bricked, and you can use the other one to fix/flash the other one.
@thedeleted117
@thedeleted117 Год назад
bioses*
@ToriTangents
@ToriTangents Год назад
Biosi?
@kamehameha38
@kamehameha38 Год назад
Symbiosis
@mikeoes1
@mikeoes1 Год назад
*Bice (Mouse/Mice!?) :)
@RobbyBabes
@RobbyBabes Год назад
Biosees
@Shurii
@Shurii Год назад
i feel like we are going back to the era of liquid cooled gpu solutions for power hungry cards
@boah-ist65
@boah-ist65 Год назад
Yes
@boah-ist65
@boah-ist65 Год назад
But the 4090 fe got good thermals 62c at 38 dba
@DTunezOfficial
@DTunezOfficial Год назад
There's literally 1 card water cooled out of all of em
@bilwit
@bilwit Год назад
standardizing gpu AIOs is inevitable, they cannot scale with air to the demands of the increases in power each gen, the 4090 heatsink is as big as you can reasonably make
@DanielGonzalez-wn6xo
@DanielGonzalez-wn6xo Год назад
@@DTunezOfficial 2 watch the video
@polnapanda4934
@polnapanda4934 Год назад
bro if i spend 1700$ on gpu I ain't saving money on custom water cooling
@rdmz135
@rdmz135 Год назад
but like he said this is better for performance
@sqbronco1
@sqbronco1 Год назад
true
@danielpuljic8444
@danielpuljic8444 Год назад
The performance potential on this must be INSANE Price tag too.
@boah-ist65
@boah-ist65 Год назад
Ye it pretty good
@bilwit
@bilwit Год назад
He benched it, it performs pretty much the exact same as FE even with an OC. The benefits are slightly better fitting depending on the case, lower temp, lower noise, etc
@TerraWare
@TerraWare Год назад
It seems like overclocking is kind of pointless with these cards to begin with because of the voltage locks. You're talking about 5% performance increase?
@EarthIsFlat456
@EarthIsFlat456 Год назад
Insane??? Depends on what you're comparing it to. If you're comparing it to other 4090s then no the differences across all of them are pretty small and you certainly won't notice those while playing. It's the cooling, noise level and size that matter.
@octoslut
@octoslut Год назад
rtx 3000 and rtx 4000 don't oc properly as they are running near max limits already. not much headroom
@JonDaviz
@JonDaviz Год назад
Excited to see the build with the new ITX case 👀
@Swapnil638
@Swapnil638 Год назад
An in-case thermal comparison would be nice
@RockLeeMC
@RockLeeMC Год назад
the prices i'm seeing for the 4090's are fricken insane. i used to love building pc's, but greed has killed all my passion for it.
@yosemitesam9576
@yosemitesam9576 Год назад
Or just… buy used lmao
@kidzor16
@kidzor16 7 месяцев назад
I know i ll probably get a lot of hate but..... it s actually worth it... playing 150+ fps on 4k is no small feat.
@Drushkaa
@Drushkaa 13 дней назад
@@kidzor16 that part. Add a 77 inch 120hz 4k OLED display you're ballin
@GodSEndOMG
@GodSEndOMG Год назад
Good to keep you warm in the winter.
@Equinox4O7
@Equinox4O7 Год назад
This card is just gorgeous. I really don't like the design of the majority of the partner cards for the 4090 and even Nvidia's isn't that good. This one stands out to me though and I think it looks sick.
@Mr_Sentoo
@Mr_Sentoo Год назад
the first reviewer to look at OC performance of the MSI Suprim Liquid X. Thank you for doing that.
@Mildly_Amused
@Mildly_Amused Год назад
Typically with the last couple generation MSI cards that have the BIOS switch, the only difference between the game/OC profile and the silent profile is the fan speeds, not the power limits or GPU clocks.
@jondonnelly4831
@jondonnelly4831 Год назад
This would work well in the 011 case GPU side mounted exhaust. CPU top exhaust. Intakes bottom and front. No hot air in case then.
@leonard6381
@leonard6381 Год назад
We love your videos, Optimum
@basibazouk
@basibazouk Год назад
I am used 1080 Sea Hawk X pretty some time and I think MSI's hybrid cards like this pretty nice!
@alireza0019
@alireza0019 Год назад
you put so much effort in your videos love your work you deserve more
@skyserf
@skyserf Год назад
Can’t wait until the 5090s come out so the 4090s will be in stock.
@00Cubic
@00Cubic 14 дней назад
in stock at msrp
@dandanthesaxoman
@dandanthesaxoman Год назад
I have this card with the rad mounted as top exhaust on my 011 and one thing I have noticed it just how fast idle temps are achieved after use, it's within seconds. Looks pretty nice vertically mounted as well.
@DarkXtendoR
@DarkXtendoR Год назад
cpu also water-cooled? if yes then where is its radiator, front or sides? also both radiators are set as exhaust right?
@adamadam6351
@adamadam6351 Год назад
Same case here! Where do you put your CPU radiator with this configuration? I have my CPU radiator on the same side as the motherboard and then regular case fans on the bottom and top of the case. My GPU is air-cooled. Also congrats on getting this card , enjoy it!
@dandanthesaxoman
@dandanthesaxoman Год назад
@@adamadam6351 Sound like the exact same setup position. Before the extra rad I had x3 fans on the top all as exhaust, 3 on the floor side as intake, 1 on the back as exhaust and the 360 with 3 fans on the side between the mobo and front glass. The CPU rad hasn't changed position.
@deadhead4077
@deadhead4077 Год назад
Got this 4090 mounted in an 011 top exhaust vertical mounts as well. Loving it!
@liejah2690
@liejah2690 Год назад
Scammers on Amazon are mass buying 4090 cards and selling them anywhere from $2,300 to $3,500. Which sucks but you can find some people on eBay selling them for cheaper.
@Mildly_Amused
@Mildly_Amused Год назад
I'd avoid the scalpers on eBay also.
@jggg31
@jggg31 Год назад
I would love to see the review of the Gigabyte 4090 360 AIO version and see how it compares to this MSI 4090 AIO GPU. Please.
@puciohenzap891
@puciohenzap891 Год назад
From what I'm seeing the 360 rad does nothing? I have the 360 Aorus.
@wile123456
@wile123456 Год назад
So all the 600W bioses got cancelled last second lol
@KJDatv
@KJDatv 11 месяцев назад
I have it and let me say it is absolutely worth it. I can max out any game and easily run it at 120 plus fps. If you overclocked it you can max out anything at 240 fps and stay under 42 degrees celsius
@bingbong6988
@bingbong6988 5 месяцев назад
still loving it? i’m trying to decide which 4090 to get, and would like to liquid cool it in a similar fashion to my cpu without doing a crazy custom loop, and this seems like the way to go
@isaacomplex
@isaacomplex Год назад
Hey Ali, thanks for mentioning the real world width of this card. This is literally the only 4090 that will fit in the Phanteks Shift XT that I intend to build in (> 3 slot, 240mm rad). Seeing as you are the only person I know of that has both the mentioned card and case, do you happen to have tried fitting the card in the Shift XT and does the width clear the top or do the tubes actually make it incompatible? Thank you.
@bigdog3628
@bigdog3628 11 месяцев назад
one small gripe, I may have misunderstood you, but this was NOT the first aio gpu to come from MSI. They did a very similar looking variant for the gtx 1080 and If wrong on that then it was definately one of the 10 series gpu's at any rate. True it was a partnership with corsair, but I feel it should count. edit: Just looked it up and the name was the GeForce GTX 1080 SEA HAWK X. It has both the corsair and MSI logo on it.
@ipodguy9
@ipodguy9 9 месяцев назад
I thought the same thing
@LydellByrd
@LydellByrd Год назад
Been waiting for 4090 LC reviews. Can't wait to compare this to Asus & Gigabyte LC
@corentinrobin3513
@corentinrobin3513 Год назад
Looks like MSI watched your video, and took notes on the "good value for what you get" part. They bumped up the sale price on their own website by 185$. God forbid gamers have access to good value on GPUs these days. Edit: looks like they "unlaunched" their price hike after backlash...
@___DRIP___
@___DRIP___ Год назад
Ali talking about $1600 4090s like he doesn’t live in Australia like us where they’re $3,000 lmao. Love ya work, mate. Been enjoying your videos the last couple years
@makatron
@makatron Год назад
This is the only one that I'm currently interested in. I've seen it going for 2,400 USD on ebay as of October 2022, but for sure this is the way I wanna do it.
@Mildly_Amused
@Mildly_Amused Год назад
I wouldn't buy from scalpers on eBay if you can avoid it.
@TechnoFreak-IN
@TechnoFreak-IN Год назад
Nvidia made FE so good, there is barely any reason left to choose an AIB card over FE! I can see more AIBs following what EVGA decided.
@EarthIsFlat456
@EarthIsFlat456 Год назад
Barely any reason? Better cooling, lower noise level and higher availability are all reasons to get an AIB card. Where I live it's simply impossible to get an FE card.
@fajaradi1223
@fajaradi1223 Год назад
FE doesn't sold worldwide. It's only available in some countries.
@EarthIsFlat456
@EarthIsFlat456 Год назад
@@fajaradi1223 Exactly. So many people are oblivious to this fact and just mindlessly tell people to get an FE card.
@juselesss
@juselesss Год назад
Hola, es muy importante tener en cuenta el calor extra de la Foundation que genera estando dentro de una caja, por muy refrigerada que este la caja, siempre sera mejor la que expulsa directamente el aire caliente hacia afuera
@Frankestein01nl
@Frankestein01nl Год назад
Just one of these days, we'll be hanging up our PC on the outside of the house, just to keep the patio from icing over... Thanks for the review, much appreciated.
@pcmAv3n
@pcmAv3n 7 месяцев назад
Waterforce is a total crap-fest. Quality is horrible, people have reported scratches and such on new products, as well as very poor leak detection rendering the card unable to do anything. Anyhow, the cooling performance for the gpu on the MSI card is probably better because the aio is dedicated just to the gpu, whilst other components are air cooled. Also the SUPRIM series is the highest quality PCB and best looking (imo) on the market. Great review!
@dontfollowme4057
@dontfollowme4057 Год назад
You beat Gamers' Nexus, Paul's Hardware, and Hardware Unboxed to the punch. Good job. We all must understand our usefulness.
@JohnDoe-yv8yn
@JohnDoe-yv8yn Год назад
was looking for something on this card thanks!
@MrLincoln87
@MrLincoln87 Год назад
Hate how AIBs have "normal" cards for MSRP, then (in 4090 pricing) +$200-500AUD for the "OC" version, which adds SFA performance. And of course, local retailers were out of stock of the normal cheap versions, some still have stock of the OC versions of course for higher money. Atlest the "gaming" versions provide better cooling so can run quieter (usually)
@sausages932
@sausages932 Год назад
Yep. I can't notice the performance increase with OC cards, but I sure can hear them, lol
@Adulto357
@Adulto357 Год назад
I've seen these for around 1200 usd surprisingly. All other 4090s are around 2k.
@Jan-kh6co
@Jan-kh6co Год назад
Yeah also in Germany these are cheaper than all other 4090s. Weird considering this one already has a cooling solution with it.
@iSammax
@iSammax Год назад
My two main concerns with this are pretty high memory temps compared to other models and pump failure/other potential AIO issues
@makatron
@makatron Год назад
I'm sure the pump won't fail that easily, talking from experience never had one fail on me ever. But your miles may vary. Also if it fails warranty is there or just replace the pump yourself since they aren't that expensive.
@makatron
@makatron Год назад
@@erisium6988 Yeah these pumps are designed to run at way so relaxed just so the pump last forever.
@Mildly_Amused
@Mildly_Amused Год назад
The memory is liquid cooled. I wouldn't worry about the temperatures. The video showed the memory junction temps of the founders card and the Suprim Hybrid being about the same during furmark.
@jkell411
@jkell411 Год назад
The cooling is all from Cooler Master... Shouldn't be any problems besides the normal outliers.
@makatron
@makatron Год назад
@Seola for what GN have stated these days, looks like margins are razon thin this time around.
@Ghost-hs6qq
@Ghost-hs6qq Год назад
The price is not bad compared to founders edition card.
@Usul-xp6ve
@Usul-xp6ve Год назад
Longer power adapter would be interesting, so you could hide the connectors in the cable chamber and sleeve the four cables as one thicker.
@Erksah68
@Erksah68 Год назад
After MSIs Fiasco with the CPU AIOs I would never ever buy one without being absolutely sure it is good.
@Noobmaster-yc2pf
@Noobmaster-yc2pf Год назад
Can i remove the pumps and add my corsair one pumps and use my radiator?
@THE16THPHANTOM
@THE16THPHANTOM 7 месяцев назад
that +480w power draw really hits you the feels. every minute gaming i would be thinking about that. and my pc is on for more than 8 hours some days. wish there was a way to turn the GPU off completely and automatically switch to cpu graphics.
@xGEOxSDx
@xGEOxSDx Год назад
With evga dropping out, someone had to fill the hybrid card void.
@wololo10
@wololo10 Год назад
Water cooled GPUs make much more sense than CPUs nowadays really
@phai44
@phai44 Год назад
Always great to watch you review stuff. no bs, straight to the point.
@adpraeter9403
@adpraeter9403 Год назад
There is the other aio available, the aorus one, i've never seen it in the US though, it's a completely paper launch, it's impossible to get anything online
@spdcrzy
@spdcrzy Год назад
I find it hilarious that the PCB hasn't physically gotten any bigger - it's actually SMALLER than most 20-series cards used to be. It's just the cooling requirements are ridiculous nowadays. I'm actually kind of impressed that AIB manufacturers haven't melted the PCBs with all that heat and current going through them.
@ronmagbanua8915
@ronmagbanua8915 Год назад
Nice review for suprim x lc.. please do consider also reviewing gigabyte with 360mm aio.. thanks!
@ryanscottwright
@ryanscottwright Год назад
Getting it as soon as they restock
@HoveKB
@HoveKB Год назад
I would buy this just so it doesn’t take up 3 slots 😂😂😂
@-zerocool-
@-zerocool- Год назад
ASUS need to some out with an AIO if the rest of the competition does it. 360mm fine by me.
@mahin1926
@mahin1926 Год назад
MSI have done AIO GPUs before. SeaHawk series.
@beast9429
@beast9429 Год назад
Very clean looks love the functional design
@K1LOGaming
@K1LOGaming Год назад
Been trying to snag this model. $150 for an AIO cooling solution 100% worth IMO
@fishhh009
@fishhh009 Год назад
the built that you promise it's gone case.
@user-qo4dg7fc9u
@user-qo4dg7fc9u Месяц назад
What's your thoughts on something like the Alphacool Eiswolf 2 AIO????
@ChrisLeiter
@ChrisLeiter 9 месяцев назад
8:30 I top mounted mine and flipped the fans around to the other side of the rad as well - I found that pushing through the rad wasn't effectively evacuating the heat from the case, but that the fans pulling the heat through and up/away from the top was very successful. I'm using a Corsair 5000D with 7 fans drawing fresh air front and side. 13900k with Corsair 150 AIO, running temps are usually well within the 40-50 degree range on both CPU and GPU spiking around 60ish. (idle is 20-30)
@shiraz1736
@shiraz1736 Год назад
No wonder evga bailed.
@ruetolo
@ruetolo Год назад
Can you build an ITX System with 4090, like ichill frostbite, and show how the temps are with the different setups of radiators?
@Enjoying-Life
@Enjoying-Life Год назад
Nice video! Can’t wait for your list of cases for the 4090. Also any idea what’s a good case for the evga 3090ti with an aio? Lastly, what resolution are you recording the videos? When I watch it on my 65” OLED, it seems stretched vertically making you look skinny.
@bildur1
@bildur1 Год назад
Im using the Tower 500. Running AIO for the cpu on top of case and AIO for the 4090 on the vertical side rails... loving this case
@xduskwolf.00
@xduskwolf.00 Год назад
Essentially any case that's optimized for airflow and has the space for the GPU and AIO would work just fine. Most reputable case manufacturers will list their maximum internal dimensions on their product page.
@Enjoying-Life
@Enjoying-Life Год назад
@@bildur1 what’s the tower 500?
@bildur1
@bildur1 Год назад
Thermal Take tower 500.
@yosixxx
@yosixxx Год назад
If I had that card, I’d set the radiator sideways on top of my case so it gets its own airflow and doesn’t dump any hot air in the case. Wouldn’t look nice but would do the job.
@LickyArc
@LickyArc Год назад
Previous generation also had this model. It went by seahawk
@AydenDevonny
@AydenDevonny 10 месяцев назад
I bought this card today based on this video! I liked that it was only 280mm which is only 23mm more than my current card. I have a NZXT 510 Flow case so I don't have any room to spare, lol. Thank you for much a thorough review!!
@Bushwacked487
@Bushwacked487 Год назад
Is it possible to swap the radiator fans out to noctuas?
@Engel990
@Engel990 Год назад
It is
@jamesmills4097
@jamesmills4097 Год назад
erm msi have been doing AIO cooling on cards for years, they partnered with Corsair, the msi cards were called seahawk. and you could actually buy the cards direct from corsair
@MrHugeKevin
@MrHugeKevin Год назад
Bro thanks for even testing fps and db sound - you’re the best reviewer!!
@uruwashii5231
@uruwashii5231 Год назад
Brilliant video and great to see one in the wild. How much shorter is the card in this cooling design setup? Was thinking if shorter it might go into my case and mount the rad block outside (as go no space in my case for that :-( )
@Weaver0x00
@Weaver0x00 Год назад
Does it fit into nr200p?
@Gregoses
@Gregoses Год назад
5:00 WTF thats the same power draw in CB2077 as my 3080 TUF which has just two 8pins LOL
@razorhanny
@razorhanny Год назад
This is the best looking RTX 4090.
@raysschoko
@raysschoko 6 месяцев назад
that power increase is from the pump on that card to run the AIO!
@jimmyvelasquez5638
@jimmyvelasquez5638 Год назад
10 months after this video gets posted and im nowca proud owner of this exacr card!
@SkilllessFlorid3r
@SkilllessFlorid3r Год назад
Great pun with the “unreleased” Video coming at the end of this month :D
@romiepissdrunx
@romiepissdrunx Год назад
any review on the suprim x triple fans version?
@EeK9X
@EeK9X Год назад
What's going on with the memory temps of this particular model? All the reviews I've seen have the VRAM running hotter than all air cooled cards! Great video and analysis, as always, thanks for the high quality content you provide!
@jkell411
@jkell411 Год назад
It runs hotter, but not to an alarming degree. Shouldn't be an issue unless you're just comparing directly to other cards. The blower design here just isn't as good as other flow through designs. The one benefit though is that the exhaust is directly exiting the case rather than heating up the inside.
@darkmanure
@darkmanure Год назад
Video up just as MSI jacked up the prices of this card.
@royaloreca
@royaloreca Год назад
Someone in the factory may have put those stickers on purposely to drive your adhd up the roof 🤣
@chriswho12345
@chriswho12345 Год назад
500W space heater but in 240mm lmao
@WarwickSeven
@WarwickSeven Год назад
Can it fit into the Louqe Ghost S1 with L-tophat ?
@CC-tf1wq
@CC-tf1wq Год назад
Got one of these running right now, quiet and crushing games.
@Lokisblade2
@Lokisblade2 Год назад
if it wasent SSSoooo expensive i would upgrade my 1080ti seahawk
@aidansedore5182
@aidansedore5182 10 месяцев назад
Also exhausting it saves the VRMS Temps cause that’s air cooled
@ThunderingRoar
@ThunderingRoar Год назад
6:30 are we gonna talk about higher memory temps on the liquid cooled one?
@bigturkey1
@bigturkey1 Год назад
i mounted the rad to the front of my case blowing out and then keep my side panel off
@AdnanCucak
@AdnanCucak Год назад
Me, an Aussie watching an Aussie youtuber: "Its over the 2k mark already" Oh thats not too bad Me, realising he means USD: oh
@PeterSlack83
@PeterSlack83 Год назад
This is probably the only 4090 that would temp me, the others are just too huge and wont fit even in my fairly large case.
@kandyrew
@kandyrew Год назад
Hmm is it possible to swap out the radiator fans on this?
@Ma6ku6ta6
@Ma6ku6ta6 Месяц назад
Can you still mount this if you're already using an AIO for your CPU? I'm running my setup in a Corsair Vengeance 780T case and may upgrade next year
@11696Ron
@11696Ron Год назад
If 4090s weren't so expensive, this would be the one I'd buy.
@perceptivity_
@perceptivity_ Год назад
Nvidia just killed any other AIB in the market, EVGA definitely made the right call
@Hakeem597
@Hakeem597 Год назад
You said this was the first AIO from MSI you've seen? Lmbo. The seahawk wasn't an AIO card 😭🤣🤣
@erase9006
@erase9006 Год назад
This is not the only Liquid 4090 "Hybrid", there is also the iGame Neptune
@EatonZ26
@EatonZ26 Год назад
Pls compare this vs Gigabyte 4090 AIO
@wackywoowar9249
@wackywoowar9249 Год назад
Guys help, I watched this video and now women won't stop swarming me
@bobvila4381
@bobvila4381 Год назад
Pump failure has entered the chat....
@ChrisLeiter
@ChrisLeiter 9 месяцев назад
I have this in a Corsair 5000D and it's SOOOOO nice
@Sam-K
@Sam-K 8 месяцев назад
Any idea on their future repairability? For example, early AIO GPUs, like the R9 Fury X, are mostly useless now because of coolant evaporation, pump issues, etc., and there's no way to actually repair them.
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