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What Became of Alice Todd? Schoolmate Molly Winn Tells of Her Capture by Comanches near San Saba, TX 

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In this episode we read from the December 11, 1941 issue of the San Saba News, where Mrs. Molly Winn tells of the kidnapping of her classmate, Alice Todd, by Comanches back in the winter of 1864-65. Mrs. Winn and Alice Todd were schoolmates at the school in San Saba. We also read some additional stories from "Indian Depredations in Texas," by J.W. Wilbarger.
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@davidmuir7711
@davidmuir7711 2 месяца назад
Much obliged for this follow-up about Alice Todd. Y’know, it seems to me that for these German settlers to choose dealing with the bone-breaking hardships, privation, and Indian depredations of the skulking red murderers, well, it betokens me to wonder just how lousy was life in Germany that the homesteaders preferred taking their chances here in Comancheria?
@LongdistanceRider22
@LongdistanceRider22 2 месяца назад
They were surfs…. at least in America they could be landowners
@esmeraldagreen1992
@esmeraldagreen1992 2 месяца назад
Serfs, not surfs.
@esmeraldagreen1992
@esmeraldagreen1992 2 месяца назад
Random fact Mauritania " abolished" slavery in 1981, though the ban was not enforced, and many people continued to be held as slaves.
@LongdistanceRider22
@LongdistanceRider22 2 месяца назад
@@esmeraldagreen1992 thank you Esmeralda
@ellacarter1442
@ellacarter1442 Месяц назад
Remember who were the original owners of the land
@dogparty-tt8qw
@dogparty-tt8qw 2 месяца назад
What a rough way to live…
@shawnaweesner3759
@shawnaweesner3759 2 месяца назад
Evil and good manifest within every race of people.
@bethbartlett5692
@bethbartlett5692 Месяц назад
... relative to their/everyone's: "Thoughts + Feelings X Beliefs" = Our Frequency = Our Reality The "Universal Law of Attraction" is Absolute.
@luisrobles0453
@luisrobles0453 2 месяца назад
I tell everyone I come across about this channel. Great channel and these stories should be told.
@unworthyhistory
@unworthyhistory 2 месяца назад
Thank you!
@timothyramsey7010
@timothyramsey7010 2 месяца назад
Poor Alice breaks your heart
@justjosie1163
@justjosie1163 2 месяца назад
Thank you again for telling our ancestors ' history and what they suffered through.
@user-lb3hd7ip4o
@user-lb3hd7ip4o 2 месяца назад
YOU FORGET the native red Indian it was their Homeland not your Ancestors FACT.
@justjosie1163
@justjosie1163 2 месяца назад
@user-lb3hd7ip4o My ancestors won against the hostile Indians and built America out of what had only been a violent backwards stone age land. FACT.
@justjosie1163
@justjosie1163 2 месяца назад
​@user-lb3hd7ip4o They lost despite their savagery. Get over it. FACTS
@justjosie1163
@justjosie1163 2 месяца назад
​@@user-lb3hd7ip4o They lost! FACTS!!!
@lesliestopp9525
@lesliestopp9525 2 месяца назад
@justjosie1163 You call it losing, I and many others would call it the genocide of the native people who, for thousands of years, predated the settlers that had a greed for the lands they inhabited. A very wise man once said the love of money, was the root of all evil.
@lambastepirate
@lambastepirate 2 месяца назад
Always a great story thanks.
@Jackielocks
@Jackielocks 2 месяца назад
Really interesting- so glad I came across your channel! ILove History and can’t believe how some people are trying to cancel the History that makes them a bit uncomfortable. We live in a world that is 3/4 lunatics..or so or seems some days lol Liked and Subscribed!
@LoriL010
@LoriL010 Месяц назад
14 inches of snow in that part of Texas is very unusual...Any snow at all is very unusual...
@tracietaylormaddocks7114
@tracietaylormaddocks7114 2 месяца назад
Tracie Taylor Maddocks Again, I Totally Love Ur Program!!! Thank You ☺️
@alanice8087
@alanice8087 2 месяца назад
Thanks!
@unworthyhistory
@unworthyhistory 2 месяца назад
Thank you!
@michellejennings4259
@michellejennings4259 2 месяца назад
Good video
@Jennifer-pb9nd
@Jennifer-pb9nd 2 месяца назад
your previous episode relayed that she was 6yo, and another telling of the story I believe stated she was 7yo. 14yo is really far off.
@spacey118
@spacey118 2 месяца назад
The Todd line. How fascinating
@jakeroberts7435
@jakeroberts7435 2 месяца назад
Yeah Lincoln said something like God made do with one D in his name but of course the Todds needed two, insinuating they thought highly of themselves.
@spacey118
@spacey118 2 месяца назад
@@jakeroberts7435 hahaha now that insult has teeth
@jakeroberts7435
@jakeroberts7435 2 месяца назад
@@spacey118 I think Mary Todd's family came out of the Collins bloodline, and Linclone was a Rosicrucian, he was a man of many faces, an actor with handlers. Pinkerington of the all seeing eye being a major biggy in that field
@spacey118
@spacey118 2 месяца назад
@@jakeroberts7435 oh yes… going back to ruscomb and the killers
@spacey118
@spacey118 2 месяца назад
@@jakeroberts7435 also… I believe he code named his handlers cherry tree… not to be confused with apple pie
@cplmpcocptcl6306
@cplmpcocptcl6306 2 месяца назад
The Plaque for Todd Mountain shown, has Mrs Todd’s death 3 weeks after the attack. Not 5 days.🤷‍♀️
@josephpadula2283
@josephpadula2283 2 месяца назад
Not a biologist but I know what a woman is . Anyway we need to find a genealogist to track other children Alice’s father had or trace her fathers family Then get DNA tests . Check Native American DNa on file to see if there are matches . Check with someone that knows how things work to see how statistically possible this is . You could solve the mystery . Stands with a fist ????
@septembersurprise5178
@septembersurprise5178 2 месяца назад
Was thinking much the same. Familial DNA test?
@donnafletcher5386
@donnafletcher5386 2 месяца назад
Good to tell the truth since they seem to forget some of the Native Americans started the attacks.
@kathylarson8876
@kathylarson8876 Месяц назад
We're you there, considering books written by the white men so who knows the truth
@mrs.garcia6978
@mrs.garcia6978 8 дней назад
Sad
@bonnielucas3244
@bonnielucas3244 2 месяца назад
Todd name is in my family but it came over in 1881 from England with my great grandfather and he never lived west of eastern PA
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 2 месяца назад
Cant listen anymore ..too sad im Texan
@MissWitchiepoo
@MissWitchiepoo Месяц назад
My great great grand parents Kirstine and Niels had just gotten married and Kirstine had just given birth to a baby that wasn't his, when they went to the US. Back then if you were poor or had been to prison they wanted to get rid of you and this was a poor family. Kirstine had 3 children out of wedlock, so they were in that bunch of people. They asked for money to pay for the cheapest tickets for them, the baby and 2 of her daughters and a son he had with another wife before her and they got the money. I know a lot about them but have no idea of what happened to them in the US except they had a new baby, my great grandma Eva in Joliet Illinois Will Co. and they left here in 1878 and came back about 1884 and it's damn annoying not being able to find anything at all. They must have lost the baby and Nils's son because they didn't come back with them unless they left their son in the US which could be. After her husband's death she remarried and he died too so she went back to the US, but this time to Utah bringing her granddaughter pretending she was her daughter. The reason why I tell this story is that yes these stories about the Indians are awful but after all these people came and stole their country and if you do that now you are in trouble so in my mind, they were not invited and thanked the Indians by killing them and stealing all their land and they are strangers in their own country. When my great great grandmother came back she married a mormon who turned out to be a violent drunk who tried to kill her several times and starved her and she couldn't even get a new pair of shoes so you could end up in a bad way by the hand of "civilized" people:)
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 2 месяца назад
Pure evil ..
@Alexis-rt3cu
@Alexis-rt3cu 27 дней назад
was there any reccord of the enslaved girls name?
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 2 месяца назад
Horrible really horrible im Texan ..and yes all this horror was true
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 2 месяца назад
Mean devil s
@bryantsnider3908
@bryantsnider3908 2 месяца назад
There anything on tennessee
@mr.miller3432
@mr.miller3432 2 месяца назад
Good ole rocky top
@bryantsnider3908
@bryantsnider3908 Месяц назад
@mr.miller3432 What about it? Is there something on that
@antonglas7488
@antonglas7488 7 дней назад
Sadly it`s more likely Alice Todd was killed and probably why nothing more was heard of her after being taken by the Comanches. Taking into consideration this was 160 years ago, in historic terms not ancient history.
@user-zh8il6zh6o
@user-zh8il6zh6o 2 месяца назад
It does snow in Texas,16in.and more, also blizzards come in the Panhandle
@honestytoafault
@honestytoafault 10 дней назад
San saba is central Texas. 2-4 inches is a lot. No way did 14 inches fall at one time.....smh 1 freak snow storm is listed as 10 inches in 1921.
@sallybright7172
@sallybright7172 Месяц назад
Miss Todd wasn't caught after as much because she was a Confederate soldier daughter
@jeffwarren6906
@jeffwarren6906 24 дня назад
Young Alices Father remarried & started another family ? Maybe I heard the story wrong , but , what stopped him from devoting his remaining life to finding his little girl ? At 14 years of age and no doubt the Indians considered her mature enough to have a husband . God only knows the horror & violations that were committed against this poor abandoned young lady , I can only hope & pray that she adjusted to the new life she was forced into .. I have always been able to see both sides of the struggles between Indians & Settlers , but to kidnap a 14 year old girl after killing her mother and a servant girl who at 13 was probably very close to Alice & Alice to her , is excusable and what they deserved , they apparently never received . Your struggles are now over sweet princess , rest in the arms of the Lord . I am sorry your father didn't have the balls to look for you and avenge his wife and your mother . And I am sorry you never saw your friend the servant girl ever again .. Damn this story breaks my freakin heart !! You presented this piece of history very well Sir .
@horsewomn
@horsewomn Месяц назад
Numana, Comanche, and, The Snakes that always come back.
@user-uy5zf5ck2i
@user-uy5zf5ck2i Месяц назад
Please get your facts right. You said that Mrs. Todd died 5 days after been severely wounded but the remembrance stone say it is about 3 weeks.
@melanie.l6282
@melanie.l6282 Месяц назад
Those stories of white women taken by Natives always very interesting accordind to others accounts Natives would always took blond or red girls and married with them Well know stories of Cyntia married to Quanah
@jollyjakelovell4787
@jollyjakelovell4787 2 месяца назад
Saba is *not* pronounced Saw-bah. Please keep these intriguing yet sadly not well known tales of history coming. Apologies
@luisrobles0453
@luisrobles0453 2 месяца назад
The word San in Spanish mean holy.
@jollyjakelovell4787
@jollyjakelovell4787 2 месяца назад
@@luisrobles0453 The river, which gave the name also to the county and the town, was named by the governor of Spanish Texas, Juan Antonio Bustillo y Ceballos, in 1732. He called it Río de San Sabá de las Nueces ("River of Saint Sabbas of the Walnuts"), because he and his troops had arrived December 5, the feast day of St. Sabbas (439-532), a major figure of early Christian monastic life. Santa Cruz de San Sabá Mission was established on the river in 1757. Saba is an Spanish version of the Aramaic word Sabba or Sabbas meaning old man.
@jackiemack8653
@jackiemack8653 2 месяца назад
​​@@jollyjakelovell4787Odd that if you remove the s from Sabba you have abba Beautiful facts! Thank you!
@jackiemack8653
@jackiemack8653 2 месяца назад
​@@jollyjakelovell4787Odd that if you remove the s from Sabba you have abba Thank you for great info!
@samlindsey1078
@samlindsey1078 2 месяца назад
I have never heard anybody, including people born raised in that part of the country, pronounce San Saba different from the way it is in this video.
@makeupgirl8886
@makeupgirl8886 2 месяца назад
How has this guy proven that this story is true. I question it because we never get anywhere close to 14 inches of snow in central Texas. Maybe, Amarillo, but not San Saba.
@user-zh8il6zh6o
@user-zh8il6zh6o 2 месяца назад
This comment is false😮
@sherylwilson865
@sherylwilson865 Месяц назад
Texas gets quite a bit of snow. I live in East Texas and we've gotten over 6" in one snow storm. Plus the pan handle gets a lot.
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 2 месяца назад
Can think of nothing worse than this im Texan and yes.....they were savages....🇨🇱😡
@melanie.l6282
@melanie.l6282 Месяц назад
Very pretty girl Certainly not 17 too little
@user-sn7pv3qy8s
@user-sn7pv3qy8s 2 месяца назад
They were so courageous!!!!! And we, as modern day Americans, feel strongly put out when told to wear masks, temporarily, to avoid the deadly Covid pandemic.
@invictaone8514
@invictaone8514 2 месяца назад
The masks were useless and that’s a fact so was all the other tyrannical malarkey that the bloated government came up with.
@chilltarts
@chilltarts Месяц назад
Way to totally miss the “freedom” these settlers were fighting for 😂
@lesliestopp9525
@lesliestopp9525 2 месяца назад
People seem to conveniently forget, that native American were captured and held as slaves too, along with the African-Americans. The Comanche and Kiowa had heard the stories that passed from tribe to tribe. They were prepared to resit the encroachment of settlers into their territory. It is well known that the Comanche were capable of great love towards the people they adopted into their tribe. They were also capable of fierce savagery against those not of their tribe. The point is, that we, the white settlers from the time we stepped our feet on the shores of this continent proved ourselves to be a brutal, lying, and greedy race
@sherylwilson865
@sherylwilson865 Месяц назад
Lol, except the Mexicans were just as bad to the Apache and Comanche. You can't blame it all on the white eyes. None of the people are innocent of any of the atrocities.
@chilltarts
@chilltarts Месяц назад
There’s good and bad in every community. Anytime you paint an entire population with a general coat of judgement, you are not doing justice to the truth. 🤷🏽‍♀️
@jeanah685
@jeanah685 9 дней назад
Tribes enslaved one another too. Slavery wasn't invented by white people. And it's still very much alive in Africa and the middle east.
@jharrnabanerjee6973
@jharrnabanerjee6973 26 дней назад
It should be called native American. Why give the name indian and tarnish India.
@jacobhollar8849
@jacobhollar8849 2 месяца назад
Savages
@karenhill3970
@karenhill3970 2 месяца назад
You said it ..I'm 4generation TEXAN 🇨🇱and what my Grandparents told us , they STILL remembered , would make your blood run cold ..and I won't repeat what they said ...it's sickening
@nicholejefferson6904
@nicholejefferson6904 Месяц назад
The wt man? Yes, and they still are!
@JoLeeR25
@JoLeeR25 2 месяца назад
do you ever describe what the white men did to the Native men and women that caused them to be so hostile????
@unworthyhistory
@unworthyhistory 2 месяца назад
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@nancylowe2692
@nancylowe2692 Месяц назад
The tribes always fought amongst themselves, stealing from each other & taking slaves, hostages, etc. When settlers started moving in & laying claim to land, it was a continuation of that behavior. They had no conception of land ownership & if they saw something they liked, they took it, whether it was a little girl with red hair or ponies. Not all tribes were so brutal & warlike, but many were.
@carolclark5776
@carolclark5776 2 месяца назад
Seems like they would start getting woke, I mean, it was over with the galling gun, cannons all that
@user-lb3hd7ip4o
@user-lb3hd7ip4o 2 месяца назад
It was the Native Red Indians HOMELAND not your Ancestors.
@Swimkid1
@Swimkid1 2 месяца назад
As horrid as these one-sided tales depict of the peoples who land was actively being taken by force (and repeated lies about supposed freedom). It would be good to hear both sides of the story. Regards, Dave
@normamcmanus1139
@normamcmanus1139 Месяц назад
It wasn’t their land either. Their ancestors walked over a land bridge from Asia. They are not native to America which meant they would have always lived in America. Not peoples who migrated from Asia.
@nancylowe2692
@nancylowe2692 Месяц назад
Some of them migrated from the Holy Land in 600 BC, as told in the Book of Mormon. Their descendants formed some of the tribes of Native Americans in the Northeast (Great Lakes area). DNA tests show they have Hebrew markers. ❤
@AI-ch3if
@AI-ch3if Месяц назад
@@nancylowe2692 I recommend you go look up what Chris Lasala has to say about the Black Hebrew Israelites and what Dave Hunt has to say about Mormonism.
@KerrieKruegner
@KerrieKruegner 2 месяца назад
Unworthy histiory?im not American and I’m aware there were Indian attacks and which tribes were responsible and/or why there were attacks and what led up to there occurrence Scalped in the usual Indian fashion ? Sorry this practice was not started by the Indians Just wonder what your agenda is with the areas you concentrate on with no context in Unwirthy History
@cplmpcocptcl6306
@cplmpcocptcl6306 2 месяца назад
That they had to be taught scalping is apocryphal. And quite insulting.
@Swimkid1
@Swimkid1 2 месяца назад
Who taught the native homeowners may I ask? I understand this practice related to the afterlife in some way? Regards David
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