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What is a Delayer Chip? 

valleyriverarms
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I occasionally get questions asking if someone should add a sector gear chip to their gun or what it does. This is a video so I can stop answering those questions.

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@ivanaguirre476
@ivanaguirre476 4 года назад
Thanks bro perfect analogy and educational video,it's down to the point enough and it's well descriptive
@FelipeFriozi
@FelipeFriozi 5 лет назад
Thanks for your video friend.. i know this was like 5 years ago but resolved my problem... after flip my delayer chip solved my misfeed issues !!! awesome !!
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 4 года назад
glad it helped
@achilles_kbab
@achilles_kbab 6 лет назад
Excellent video man!!!
@princeljmusic4803
@princeljmusic4803 5 месяцев назад
Man I know this was years ago but, recently I just upgraded into a 18:1 gear ratio (no built in delayers) and now the nozzle isn't fully retracting or pulling back which makes my unit not shoot anything since it doesn't load the bbs, would a delayer chip be a solution? Also I noticed after the upgrade that the piston is pulled slightly back (is it called overspin?) After every shot.
@Tr1xXNation
@Tr1xXNation 10 лет назад
I fixed that problem. Thank you but I have another problem I recently installed a m120 spring in my gun so I could use it at my outdoor feild and I doesn't feed at all on full auto. Semi I can trigger finger it really fast and it is perfectly fine. I'm using the evike tornado motor on it could it be that it doesn't have enough torq it sounds a little weird and when shot it has a lot of recoil even though it is a non blowback aeg?
@3dprintwiz378
@3dprintwiz378 7 лет назад
I'm just confuse whether to install a sector chip, or just change my load out to mid caps. What do you think? I really just don't want to loose fps.
@_A_A_101
@_A_A_101 7 лет назад
Damn thanks man, my nozzle wasent going back enough to feed the bb cause I'm running a really high speed set up with SHS 13:1 and a Golden Eagle High torque motor so this is FOR SURE going to fix the problem. Thank you
@nkanellopoulos00
@nkanellopoulos00 7 лет назад
have you actually tested your gun after putting one of these chips on? does it "fix" the feeding issue?
@_A_A_101
@_A_A_101 7 лет назад
KaddyShack00 OH yes bro it does!!
@nkanellopoulos00
@nkanellopoulos00 7 лет назад
Snohomish Bulls speedsoft great. Hopefully is the root of all my evil as well
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 лет назад
glad to help
@whatamess1226
@whatamess1226 7 лет назад
Hey this is great! i just installed a high torque shs and i am having terrible over-spin (i think). I will try this!
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 лет назад
you will most likely need a strong spring or a slower gearset to solve your overspin issues. Unless that's not the problem you're having
@whatamess1226
@whatamess1226 7 лет назад
thank you for your reply, i ended up installing a mosfet, all problems solved ), great videos!!
@simonbrisebois-therrien2775
@simonbrisebois-therrien2775 6 лет назад
I had the same issue with the shs ht and the chip fixes the problem
@1987RaPsCaLLioN
@1987RaPsCaLLioN 8 лет назад
Very helpful - thank you
@trexfishtec7375
@trexfishtec7375 3 года назад
Good video matey. Quick question do you glue your chip in or just rely on a snug friction fit? Thanks
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 месяцев назад
i would usually just push them in and if they felt snug it was good to go. The tappet spring doesnt put that much pressure on things
@3dprintwiz378
@3dprintwiz378 7 лет назад
Hi, nice info on your vid. I just want to ask if sector chips lower fps since timing is no longer correct? What I mean is that when the piston is released and the tapet plate does not come back fast enough, you will loose compression?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 лет назад
not really. If your timing were off enough to where it was causing a problem you would most likely notice it as an issue with feeding first before you saw an airseal problem.
@3dprintwiz378
@3dprintwiz378 7 лет назад
Thank you very much, I hope this works, coz I hate opening gearboxes all the time.
@theding2713
@theding2713 10 лет назад
So if im running about 30 rps, would you recommend this?, I haven't had any feeding issues but what do you think?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
if you dont have any feeding or fps issues then no reason to install it
@3runelli
@3runelli 6 лет назад
Hello Guys! I have a question, maybe you can help me. In some moments when I take the shot, two bbs come out, I noticed that the nozzle is contracted in the gearbox, so it does not completely "close the hopup camera" where the bbs enter the barrel, the nozzle is halfway, is this normal? Is this the problem of double feeding?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 месяцев назад
might be a bucking issue. not stiff enough and allowing bbs to push themselves in
@hakont.4960
@hakont.4960 7 лет назад
Has it been proved that delayer chips actually help feeding in high ROF setups? They never seem to make more than marginal difference for me. I did see a tiny improvement in feeding in a 50rps SSG setup I built a few years ago, but the difference was barely noticeable.
@wishdeus
@wishdeus 5 лет назад
Well at that speed it's mostly up the the mag to throw the rounds in fast enough and the hopup and barrel to chamber it properly at that point it's no longer an air nozzle problem
@TOXICWARBRINGER
@TOXICWARBRINGER 7 лет назад
would this be necessary on a 16:1, with a JG blue set up? I'm running a 20c lipo 7.4v
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 лет назад
probably not
@MagicMinecraftStyle
@MagicMinecraftStyle 7 лет назад
How much will this slow rps I'm making a g&g combat machine cm18 mod 1 high speed setup and fullauto (about 33 rps as of now, getting a high speed motor) and full auto only feeds about 2 shots and the dry fires and sometimes jams when I use a fresh mag but about halfway through the mag it'll feed flawlessly, should I get one and will it butcher my rps
@happyrobot6396
@happyrobot6396 7 лет назад
MagicMinecraftStyle don't get a high speed motor
@kodykurisaki9396
@kodykurisaki9396 10 лет назад
I say what you could do to a normal gun, which was completely awesome. I have 2 questions for you. Can u build one to shoot 30rds/sec? And How much did you end up spending in total?
@kodykurisaki9396
@kodykurisaki9396 10 лет назад
*saw
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
I can and have done that build. It's pretty simple. Parts were only like 100-200 dollars. I'm currently not accepting work though.
@kodykurisaki9396
@kodykurisaki9396 10 лет назад
OK, can u let me know when u are accepting builds
@Tr1xXNation
@Tr1xXNation 10 лет назад
I have a question i have a high speed set up with a delay clip. But some times I get a couple of bbs that shoot like 20 feet. Also since I installed the delayer clip my fps went down from 360 to 290 or 300 do you know why this is happening I've tried many things and the air seals are good please help
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
it's probably the seal between your bucking and air nozzle. Try some different buckings. Might also try cutting coils on your tappet plate spring.
@Tr1xXNation
@Tr1xXNation 10 лет назад
Ok thanks I will try that
@1nonlyg69
@1nonlyg69 10 лет назад
good stuff
@lemonjelly
@lemonjelly 9 лет назад
I suspect you are running low ratio gears with a strong motor. This causes the sector to re-engage your tappet plate, pulling your nozzle back before the piston actually fires completely. This is why you are getting lower fps
@ShootAirsoftVideos
@ShootAirsoftVideos 8 лет назад
+lemonjelly So what would be the solution to fixing this problem. I thought about Filling down the sector gear tooth the last one. which if not mistaken would release the piston sooner.
@georgelambo5145
@georgelambo5145 7 лет назад
HEY valleyriverarms I have the ares am-013 and i want to get high rps and iam getting the parts from brill. Iam getting the asg 30k 16tpa motor and shs 12:65:1 gears. iam also using an 11.1 lipo. iam also getting some shims oring nozzle and double oring v2 lonex cylinder head and zci steel anti heat cylider. also a shs 14tooth piston with super shooter aluminum piston head and a 3/16 buffer and a m110 and reinforced tappet plate. do you know and estimate on rof and fps under 380 and can the asg motor pull it. thx for the help.
@Jvha761
@Jvha761 7 лет назад
george schnell that motor can pull it easily. Your rps wont be any higher than 25rps with that set.
@georgelambo5145
@georgelambo5145 7 лет назад
When you read my long name, I stole your sandwich thx for the help iam also using a 14 tooth piston thx for the help
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 лет назад
err depending on the size of the 11.1 you're using you could probably hit 30 easy with that setup. However you'll probably want to install a heavier spring to keep it from overspinning and tearing out your piston. i would suggest at minimum an m120 and short stroking 1-2 teeth off the sector. You'll also need to install the magnet into the new sector gear in order for that to work with the mosfet that the ares has (i think it's using an amoeba gearbox right?)
@georgelambo5145
@georgelambo5145 7 лет назад
valleyriverarms yea I know I have to put a magnet in the sector gear but Iam going to use a m110 and 14 tooth piston that is swissed chesedd and thx for the help
@RekzysTheTitan
@RekzysTheTitan 5 лет назад
I didn’t mean to click this video. I was coerced. I’ll se you court!
@zonashad5953
@zonashad5953 3 года назад
So my only problem is that if I want the sector gear on my gun to have correct AOE I have to push that tappet plate all the way back in its retracted position because of how that delay chip is set around the tappet plate which after each shot cycle it rests in that retracted position adds stress to the tappet plate and spring and after doing so a strange thing then happens with my hop up on the top of the hop up is a spring that sits between the hop up and the inside of the outer barrel if that spring is not in there it feeds bbs perfectly But my FPS is dropped like 30 so shooting 320 average but without that spring it drops to 280 But if that spring is in there it shoots 320 but it doesn't feed bbs very well at all so I'm completely baffled on what to do can anyone help
@tomsetchell1587
@tomsetchell1587 3 года назад
So you may have already fixed this… the spring pushes the the hop unit against the gearbox creating a good air seal. without it air can leak between nozzle and bucking (FPS drop). The feeding issues could be the nozzle is too long and doesn’t retract enough to allow bbs in hop unit
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 месяцев назад
yeah I'm guessing nozzle length was a problem here. Nowadays there are exacting mm sizes of nozzle you can choose from to try and fix this or file it
@CdnGulfa
@CdnGulfa 2 года назад
Great video and very helpful. Off topic. What's your thoughts on G&P internals?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 месяцев назад
It used to be quite good. Recently they really fumbled the bag with the i5 gearbox and now both their internals and externals aren't as good and especially not for the money. The market has changed a lot since I made these videos. I'll say CYMA, VFC, Specna, G&G, Krytac, KWA, King Arms are all doing great things nowadays
@XSneekystrikex
@XSneekystrikex 10 лет назад
Okay I have a A&K Masada version 2 gearbox and I've been asking around at my field on what internals I should get. A lot of stuff do like they have no clue what there talking about. So it would be awesome if you could make a quick video explaining how to raise the speed of my gun and what I should get. Or you can just send me a private message. Thanks
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
I built a masada or two a while back I should have a video on it... It was a 16:1 setup and runs quite nicely. I should have a video on it.
@XSneekystrikex
@XSneekystrikex 10 лет назад
Awesome do u remember the title of it
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
watch?v=aQP-TgN9jRY&list=PLnOf-5RhigzBJ35zuEXQdd9zZdVw63w21&index=15 I guess i didn't make a build video. Sold it a while ago. SHS 16:1 gears, shs 15 tooth piston, guarder piston head, JG red motor, madbull tightbore, shs cylinder head, vs studio air nozzle, hamsterfet. I think that was the build list but it was a while ago.
@XSneekystrikex
@XSneekystrikex 10 лет назад
Thanks for help man
@MrBeny127
@MrBeny127 8 лет назад
man I tried this and other stuff. but it wont work. the tappet plate slips off the delayer chip. :( I cant use my 11.1v
@nazlan84
@nazlan84 6 лет назад
MrBeny127 what gun are u using and what gear setup...
@bluekg13
@bluekg13 5 лет назад
If im going for a DSG, may i just add two of these instead of filing down the plate?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 4 года назад
Just file down the plate. Siegetek advises it for a reason. Also its cheaper.
@connorsimpson8693
@connorsimpson8693 7 лет назад
ok so when I pull the trigger on my m4, the trigger makes a clicking sound and nothing moves at all in the gun. I think its the trigger cause when I hear the clicking, I can feel the vibration of it clicking too. I have no idea what it is and no youtube video is seeming to help me. can someone please enlighten me on my problem?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 лет назад
im pretty sure your trigger contact shuttle is slipping off of the trigger itself. Try replacing your contacts or trigger itself.
@happyrobot6396
@happyrobot6396 7 лет назад
CONSWAN117 You need a lot more details for anyone to be able to help you. If it's the actual trigger making a clicking noise, then yeah you're contacts are probably fucked up. But it could also be your motor trying to spin against a jam, or it's too weak to cycle the gearbox. Open the gearbox up and report
@marttenz8895
@marttenz8895 6 лет назад
CONSWAN117 dude same problem... motor is working, trigger contacts are working and gears are moving but when i assembly the gun amd shoot only click is happening like it cant move and piston inside cilinder is not resetting too
@tumanupra
@tumanupra 10 лет назад
i have a problem with my setup i use 13:1 shs gear set and high speed red motor. Sometimes when shoot no bb's comes out or sometimes it will shot 2 bb's at the same time. If i install delayer in my unit will it fix the problem?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
possibly. Your tappet plate might not be coming back far enough.
@tumanupra
@tumanupra 10 лет назад
valleyriverarms so how should i fix it then?
@minzy102
@minzy102 10 лет назад
I have 14:1 shs gears and they claim that the delayer chip is built in, so you wouldn't be able to fit in one, unless you find a way to mod and build your own piece to fit. I have the same problem as you, so I'm trying to find a slightly short air nozzle and see if that works.
@nazlan84
@nazlan84 6 лет назад
kevin kimmakim im having the same problem with my tm aug high cycle...changed the motor to CA high torque and m150 spring( due to wear n tear), gear set and nozzle still standard but somehow having missfeed issues
@chrichro
@chrichro 3 года назад
Just a question, do I have to shim the top of my sector gear?
@NeCtRiCkS
@NeCtRiCkS 2 года назад
Yes (as long as it's needed: if it has a gap between the gear shaft and the gearbox shell). The tappet plate will fit "behind" the delayer chip/post, which means it lays under the top shims.
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 месяцев назад
nailed it.
@Overkillairsoftteam1
@Overkillairsoftteam1 10 лет назад
hey i want to know if you can buily me a DSG gearbox in a G&G shell for the cheapest amount possible all stock i have a G&G body because i recently switched from a polarstar and i wanted to know if you could build me one and for how much
@Overkillairsoftteam1
@Overkillairsoftteam1 10 лет назад
rephrase: G&G gearbox shell not the body the body i have too but like with a G&G gearbox shell and everything inside it stock and just do what you need to do
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
Not currently accepting builds but last time I built a DSG it cost about 500 parts and labor. If I cheaped out on some stuff I could probably knock 50-70 bucks off but not too much.
@Overkillairsoftteam1
@Overkillairsoftteam1 10 лет назад
OK i can do 500 i dont want any cheap crap so yeah i can do 500
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
Lol trust you usually don't want to cheap out when building a dsg. But regardless I'm currently not accepting work right now.
@Overkillairsoftteam1
@Overkillairsoftteam1 10 лет назад
ok
@mattburnett6825
@mattburnett6825 10 лет назад
...But is it TIB ready?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 10 лет назад
yes. it is so TIB ready. You could fit half of Texas into this.
@Panzerlang
@Panzerlang 8 лет назад
Thank you sir, pukka explanation. :)
@brickson98m
@brickson98m Год назад
Is there any downside to installing one of these?
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 месяцев назад
Not really
@ThePOSM
@ThePOSM 4 года назад
👌🏻😎
@kennethpescador4709
@kennethpescador4709 4 года назад
I bought a ak47 few months ago, misfeeding when it comes to full auto
@valleyriverarms
@valleyriverarms 7 месяцев назад
probably your bucking
@beastairsoft3888
@beastairsoft3888 9 лет назад
I tried this clip with a future energy high speed tappet plate... I'm still new to teching and maybe it was common sense not to do it ...but Damn don't do it!!! The Delayer clip will not release the tappet plate
@simonbrisebois-therrien2775
@simonbrisebois-therrien2775 6 лет назад
It just means that your build isn't fast enough
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