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You’re welcome Skooch man, haven’t touched LOL just yet but I play Smite (other MOBA), and I main support there, and everything you said applies to that too. Me and my friends literally fight over if jungle or support is harder, it’s support all the way.
As a Sup main i will tell the secret... i prefer the Macro over the Micro game... my reflexes are dogshit but doing shotcalling and engaging is more about making one crucial decision on the right time that you are planing for minutes... over ... you know ... processing the whole fight in 1 to 3 secs.
bot beats support by a landslide although I think its harder then jungle having played both i agree that jg is worse cause the toxicity is so fucking bad and there is the least catching up but no other lane has to play for two people and then also carry lategame while playing safe early and getting nonstop flamed by everyone while praying to god that your support doesnt int afk or leave for a different ass lane like i watch many adc streamers and have mained adc for all of my 255 levels and supports are the worst players its just hilarious how bad they are its like if your bad and want to get elo boosted thats the lane to play i literally deleted league after having 1/11-14 supports for 8 games in a row in ranked its literally so dumb also your team will relentlessly flame you for dying or not engaging but they wont peel for you its the most frustrating thing in existance andyou have to glue your eyes to the minimap and pray to god a talon doesnt come because we both know the support is gonna abandon your ass even if you have a bounty
As a support main I’d at least move them to be tied with jungle because while you have to learn so much as a support your in a slightly safer spot to do it with certain champs that can fast forward the learning, with jungle if your first timing sej and a shaco level 2 invades and steals a whole side while yone sits there despite your pings what can you do, at least with support if you loose first engage you can attempt ganks elsewhere because your used to not having gold so the one death won’t matter as much, plus you could always just play swain/pyke/amumu/leona/blitzcrank and just win as long as the adc helps even a little
I'm basically a Nami main nowadays and I've had so many games where I pop the fuck off, dance around all the skill shots, bait and juke, land bubbles, clutch heals, ignite the WW to cut his healing securing the kill, getting the deep wards, clearing the vision, massive five man ults interrupting important enemy abilities... And then we still lose. Because enchanter supports, no matter how baller, can't do damage.
Jungle's secondary role being a child psychologist is legit spot on. The amount of times I too have won games just by telling my top laner "wait for me baby, I'll 3 camp and head top first I promise" is staggering. They actually play safe knowing I'm coming instead of aping out and dying lvl 1.
On the other side of the spectrum, toplane's tertiary role to be an independent adult while a toxic parent tries to leech off all of the work I do just to come in and smite my cannon, steal my kill AND share gold from MY plates, and not spam ping them to oblivion and stop caring about the damn game. They actually respect my stuff and ONLY take the gold when I can't get close. So it goes both ways.
@@scrimwish as a mainly top player i will give you that, but to be fair the jungler is commonly one of the biggest defining factors in top. Whether it be the enemy jg camping top while the ally jg does fuck all about it or if you’re super lucky and get a ally jg who remembers that top exists and actually ganks top/counter ganks the enemy jg
I was main support for 6-7 seasons.. I'm still are but I'm starting to play juntle. It's been 3-4 months.. and is a pain in the ass. They expect you to gank and they do not freeze. Is super hard to play this role. Because you need to farm, fight, gank, not get your jungle robbed, etc. And as he said is all JG diff.
I can't treat y'all seriously for the sole reason that low elo a decent support doing their job is very rare and most proud "support mains" have no idea what they're doing while being bloodthirsty and maybe decent mechanically. And a lot of them get away with it. It feels like the most mmr-inflating role. When you're doing it well, good for you. I do appreciate it.
@@DamianSzajnowski I do agree with you on some of your points. Sometimes I'd play ADC and notice how terrible my support is in lane and throughout the game in general. It's one of those roles that has a low skill floor but has a high skill ceiling. Mechanics are basically non existent (well at least for me) when you play support depending on the champions you main. But like what Scooch said in the video, if your support is garbage, he's gonna continue being garbage throughout the entire game. If the support tries to get vision, he'll probably run into the jgler or mid lancer and basically die once you missposition even once
@@DamianSzajnowski There's a thing Skooch missed entirely when talking about supports. He focused entirely on the mental toll it takes on players, and he ignored the gameplay entirely. The problem is, that toll isn't nearly as harsh as it used to be seasons ago, and you either have enough abnegation to play support, or you don't. Plain and simple. But when I look at the facts, this role, my role as a dedicated Braum player, it's by far the easiest to play, if anything because it's the only role that doesn't need resources to function and as such gets a lot more freedom of movement on the map. Calling out that 'oh the poor supports have it hard they don't get recognition at all' is not even true at this point and if anything, go ask your goddam jungler how he feels, because the junglers have infinitely more pressure on them than supports.
@@JayP99MC I personally disagree with skooch's take on ADCs, but that's because as someone who's gone from mid to top to bot, mid and top has by far been far less mentally taxing and problematic than ADC has been. Galeforce means nothing to the assassins of today, and it's often used for aggression, not for escape anyway. Shieldbow isn't as anti-burst as its made out to be, and first item kraken slayer isn't exactly great unless you're playing someone who can abuse it or has bonus damage from other sources (Aka lucian, kaisa, vayne). Top lane I can pick Garen or Nasus and literally not care about if I get counterpicked or not. I know ill be useful regardless (or in Nasus' case, auto win once I hit level 7). Mid I can die repeatedly and it doesn't matter because I have utility to support the team and can come back as Lux, Veigar, and even Ahri. I consider bot in general as the hardest outside jungle, and I consider both ADC and Support to be kinda similar difficulty. Both players need to be relatively decent. Both have to properly recognize how to beat engages, both have to synergize with each other. If the ADC and Sup aren't in sync on an engage, they may lose just because they target the wrong person. Both roles are impacted by poor play from other lanes far more than the other roles are. As for specifics, Sup's expected to roam, ward for vision and play the vision game, but vision's an equally important job for ADC, Jungle and Mid. Even deep wards are not just a supports job, but it's definitely harder and compounded by other roles not doing warding as well. ADCs on their end have the same positioning dangers that an enchanter support does, but lack in most cases the tools to get out of it if they do get caught, but they're also heavily expected to farm at all times. As ADC you have to pick up any lane that isn't being actively farmed by someone. and you have to recognize it and assess the danger of going there during it, as your death means baron, dragon, towers, or even the game itself (or at least it does in my case most of the time).
@@markopusic8258 my god thank you. people just look at 9/0 junglers like "oh cool he didnt feed". no one thanks you for getting all the objectives or giving away kills or just putting pressure on the opponent. its just.. normal. dont even get me started whwn jungler just cant keep up and fails to do his job once in a while
Here I am, playing Swain because my team decided having any damage beyond physical is a bad idea and carrying my team to victory while simultaneously having a breezy lane where I only have to look for kills. Fun times, fun times.
17:48 "you don't get kills, you don't get money, you don't get farm. You know what you get? you get fucking yelled at." Don't forget that your team will always flame you for your kda while leaving out the number of assists you've gotten when you try to get someone to de-tilt.
“WHY ARE YOU 0/6??! Fucking feeding-ass support…” 0/6/21 Thresh: “fuck it I’m just gonna play Runeterra now. Or the inverse: “6/3 THRESH STOLE ADC’S KILLS THAT’S WHY THE ADC HAS NO GOLD OR DAMAGE” 6/3/4 Thresh: “I guess I was supposed to just let the enemy walk away, huh?”
@@earlsaverson5387 Those times when your adc goes to ham and dies leaving the enemy on 50hp and you finish them off only to get accused of waiting for them to die to take the kills. Was i supposed to cast my abilities that were on cd? Magically make them hit me instead? :P
@@beaubauer5109 That's the worst. I get that shit all the time when I'm playing supports that shield and they'll be like "why didn't you shield me?" like bro i did you just decided it was a great idea to face tank all their skillshots and be a melee fighter.
I’m so used to being told that being a support is brain dead easy and that I’m useless in game that I actually felt something when he started talking good things about us
Was about to say that, this video is one of the biggest ego boosts I've had for being a sup main. We barely get any glory (not you, pyke mains) in game
There's two different kinds of difficulty in league: "Hard to play" and "Hard to Carry" jungler is fairly hard to play, but if you are good at jungle you can have a huge impact on the game and can heavily dictate whether or not you carry, top lane is relatively simpler/easier but it is much harder to carry/climb as your early game influence(when most games are decided) is a lot more limited. To carry as top laner you have to get a lot farther ahead than you would as a jungler or adc
And in general top laners are either cracked on raw Gfuel or they are the most passive things in the world which leads to 20 kill 100cs lead lanes or like 10cs difference 0/0/0 lanes
If you think you can climb easily as an ADC you’re insane. Been in a really bad spot that was made even worse with all of the mage buffs. Became even more useless until 25-30min
Idk because as jungle main I feel I am pressure to end the game as fast possible or I become irrelevant like if I’m the only strongest player in the game as a jungler I’m like oh fuck I got too need the game quickly or the enemy team gonna shit on me. Like yea I can get super ahead and destroy but if I die once it like game over all of my lead disappear and if I am only one that doing good than everything else crumbles.
I'm not a supp main but I empathize on how they had it rough. They're literally single parents that has ungrateful children but still loves them no matter what.
It's literally the easiest role to climb with though. As long as you aren't a braindead idiot you can just carry every game as a support by not supporting your adc if they suck and support the better laner no matter who it is.
19:08 Is my league experience in a nutshell. But support is the most fun when it's a team fight. Getting your whole team out for the ace is just the best feeling. All the congrats will go to others but you're just happy everyone lived. That's what it means to be a support.
nah i always honor the support, if i tab and see they have a good vision score have died less than 4 times they give me a single heal or assited me in anyways and kept their trap shut when we are losing but can get the game back instead of saying ff go next ff15 like any weak mental laner or jg would. That support is gonna get me in whatever role im playing kissing their ass and honoring them at the end because most games are a support diff and if we win its because our support had a better engage and made it posible. And if we lose its because jg didnt gank, mid didnt roam and fed his ass, top split pushed and flamed, adc didnt farm and blamed the support even after laning was over. Supports are heroes. I main adc and sub top if i have a bad support i let them die and take what farm i can get and sometimes end with 20 more vision score than supports some how, and just farm safely after my tower falls after saying hey i think mid could used your help. And as top i look for tp ganks split push tp to objective fights and if the game is calm i just push and chill if im not needed the amount of tripple kills i have gotten with illaoi for absolutely no reason is ridiculous.
Actually you bring up a very good point with Panth because Panth is designed to be a lvl1 Beast Most Supports can 1v1 from lvl3 because they’re Designed to be Early game champions to ease the landing phase for ADCs that are almost always dogshit before 15 minutes If you’re on your side of the lane as a healer you can almost always sustain more than they can hurt you If you’re a tank you already have almost the same amount of damage with thrice the survivavility of the ADC And if you have any CC you can most certainly 100% to 30% the ADC before your spell rotation ends The issue is that as the game goes on you scale slower and/or have a ton of missing gold
as a support main, i was geniuenly surprised you put us in the max difficulty, im so used to people just thinking it's the easiest role, and ive almost conviced myself likewise, but the sheer mental will this lane requires is absolute torture at times, thank you for recognizing our sacrifice.
The amount of times I've been shitted on by my ADC when I literally killed myself countless time to save him after rushing without me or the jungler so the enemy laner don't get a double-kill or ruin his farm is literally countless. I'm thankful that someone such as Skooch noticed our struggle. Also holy fuck, when are people gonna notice that kills don't matter for support, only assists? the amount of time I went 4-5 deaths and like 25 assist and still got flamed on makes me think that most ADC have a peanut in the place of their brain(Especially with how easier their role and champion playstyle mostly is)
I've never understood people flaming Supps for their kills... it's ridiculous. To them I'm 2/4 but in reality I'm 2/4/28 and get an S at the end of the game lmao
One thing you left out is that adc is the most punishing role past laning phase. You can always solo lose the game, but very rarely solo win the game. When you play as a fed adc vs 2-3 assassins or even just tanks with hard cc, you're literally playing a horror game for 30 minutes. I don't think it's the hardest role (for me it's top), but I think it's definitely the least enjoyable one. I have to mention, however, that playing adc in soloQ and playing adc in 5 man flex with voice chat is like a night and day. The role gets much more enjoyable when you play in a somewhat coordinated environment.
yeah i think skooch didnt differ between "easy gameplay concept" and "easy wins". Sure, adc is a braindead role but *winning* with it is much more RNG-dependend then just spamming amumu jgl to diamond ( like i did lul ). On the same note, top lane has many decisions but you could also just become a riven mechanics god and micro your way to victory.
@@ich3730 and you can play syndra mid. U can also play yuumi supp, wait for whatever melee character you have in the game to have a single item then perma support him to an absolute easy win. Adc has no automatic safety just because u can build galeforce, when early game supps like pyke, who is also as popular as watching youtube, exist and can ruin ur game by just freezing the lane then diving with a 14 minion wave if ur supp isn't around all the time to prevent giving him the positioning neccesary for it. But i am quite happy with jungle's place in the difficulty scale
I started playing this game as an ADC Jinx. It truly is a nightmare. And the problem is when you lose in bot you don't know if the issue is your support, you, your enemies or the champions your team and their team play. I now main jungle which has its own problems but i rather get yelled at some random top laner feeding and losing his lane because "i didnt gank him" even though he's always overextended rather than having to fight against 2 random dudes with a random dude who may or may not leave me mid-game because someone else on the team got fed (im looking at you yuumi players.) and then try to survive in a 1v2 which makes you unable to get fed and now you have to just sit back and do nothing turning a 5v5 game into a 4v5 game. Playing SoloQ ADC is a nightmare and its the most toxic part of the game. Best decision i have ever made was playing litteraly any other role except for ADC.
Damn Skooch, that ending melted my hearth dude. It's so nice to hear someone appreciate supports work. And why do i main support? Because I'm this kind of pearson that enjoys giving someone else fun time in the game. And i main every single support. You want me to play Braum? Sure buddy, let me change runes and we're good to go! Nami? Sure, she's fun as hell. Rell? Sure i love engage hard supports. And that's what make the game so fun for me
@@happypunky4129 i mean, for me every other role is hard, so i basically respect every role equally. If you're ADC main, awesome. Respect to you my guy ♥️
@@happypunky4129 personally for me every roles other then suppport and adc seems to hard for me, i feel all the roles should be respected equally, if you play adc main role then all respect to you
Probably a bad support then. I get praise every time i play support, the fact i get top players, adc players, mid and jungler adding me after matches is praise in its self. If you are even sub-par you will be getting praise. If you don't get thanked maybe its for a reason.
I am a support main, and I agree with you completely. I used to play with this friend of mine who was an ADC main. I loved them to death, best person I have met in my life, but whenever I played support with them and was doing my job, they would passively aggressively flame me for taking the kill or executing a minion. I was always stuck in the mindset of thinking "well if I take the kill, I will get flamed, but if I don't, my friend will likely die or not get the kill, and I get flamed". So I would choose to advance our team by taking the kill, even though I knew what was coming. It really is a thankless job although I live for it because I can help my friend become a machine gun with trist
thank you skooch, i really felt really self conscious when i began league as a support and i really to this day enjoy the role. Sometimes the adcs make me want to quit but your words touched my support heart
I main both ADC and Support and I have to say... for a duo lane you can see how much your other laner does not understand whet YOU have to do. When you have that divine knowledge of "Oh the support has to ward, better go with them so they don't die." you are miles better than any other ADC that has not touched support in their life. That also goes the other way "Better not engage my ADC wants to get the cannon, we can engage after that." All of that understanding of the role that you play most of the game with is so valuable especially in solo queue. Gotta say maybe that's why I manage to not get flamed as much... even though many bot laners are also asses, some are at least reasonable!
I honestly thing being at least comfortable with a couple champions in every role makes you a better player in your main role Knowing how a jungler thinks when they're making rotations, or how your support would want an engage to work, or how your ADC wants to get a BF before committing to fights, it all just adds a level of subconscious thinking that could quite literally get you a full rank of improvement JUST by understanding why your team plays the way they're playing Of course, sometimes you get a monkey with two cymbals behind a keyboard, but most of the time you'll be with people that play okay
Ya, the thing is (large ego time) I'm often playing adc and I love to play with my friend who has been support main since forever, but if we're not on voice chat, this man does NOT know how the wave works. He is great at virtually everything he does, but he would leave the wave for the enemies to perma freeze and wonder why we're under lvl for the whole game if I didn't tell him to push it. Basically the way I rate my supports at the beginning of the game is how they interact with the wave. If they push when I push, freeze when I freeze and leave the wave when I slowpush, they are better than most in my eyes. If they pick brand I dodge.
@@gxbrielwatches4088 I played ADC for 2 weeks straight. I have to say it is the easiest role. Get fed by your support win game boom ez. ADC main think they have to dodge everything, do you know WHO ASWELL HAS TO. EVERY other lane in the game has to dodge aswell. ANd you are acting like that's hard and it is but you are not the only one who needs to dodge in the game
All lanes have some hard points to them, for example (This is coming from a mid/adc main): Top Lane- You tend to be on an island with the enemy top lane. This can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how ur laning phase ends up. Also, you get ganked a lot early game. Jungle- You are a big playmaker, so your choices can impact every single lane even if you don't gank them. Hard thing is knowing what to prioritize to win the game and making sure to mute all as your gonna be blamed by that 0/5 Yasuo who hasn't placed a single ward down and says it's a jg dif. Midlane- You need to be willing to play passive sometimes and let your team carry as mid is the most prevalent role right now for smurfs to play. So you either have to be on top of your game and make sure to roam and help your jungler (mid and jungle are essentially buddies that have to have each other's back) or else you are gonna be the one that goes 0/5 by 10 minutes. ADC- Recent seasons have kinda screwed with the adc role and you can see it as a good majority of the highest winrate botlaners right now are AP champions. That being said, as an ADC your basically expected just to not die instantly and do consistent damage. Biggest issues are that everyone wants to gank you as they are preying on this weird ADC situation, so pressure is always there. Also, you are laning with someone that could be your favorite person you could ever get to lane with or someone that makes you want to pull out your hair. Support- You are a big playmaker like the jungler as well. Though you have a role of trying to keep your botlaner alive, which can sometimes feel like you are babysitting someone that is wanting to go all in every second and wants to get caught out that one moment to leave to place a ward. Similar to the ADC issue, you are laning with someone that you could either love to death or want to pull your hair out. Side-note, as an ADC main I respect the good supports that try to make smart plays or can read the lane matchup and can play accordingly even if you mess up. I would rather have someone who is proactive in lane than someone that sits behind the adc the whole time and just expects to get carried. XOXO to all those support mains that are proactive in lane, keep doing what you do. And that is my own thoughts on how each role have their own hardest parts to deal with. I might have missed a few things, but this is what I could think of at the moment. Edit: Just finished watching the video and agree with everything Skooch said. The only thing that I think Skooch was missing was the constant pressure that the ADC and Support have botlane from everyone and their aunt coming to gank them. That being said, ADC is wayyyy easier than Jungle/Top/Mid (and this is coming from someone who mains the role lolol).
@@arvorejoana4350 as you said, you have 180k mastery. I have them on Asol. despite that you can't deny winning with nocturne is far easier in every way
I was once told by a Yasuo mid that I was a terrible player, simply because I play support and not a solo lane. "You're too bad to do anything on your own",
I agree with everything. One exeption: you play yuumi supp. You can just need 1 good player in your team and boost him and its gg, your adc does not matter.
Ohh he does matter, if you are 0/5 in minute 10, no other lane wants you since you just soak exp and are useless since you can only press e 3 times and have no mana for the next few minutes
Was looking for this. Yuumi is legit the one exception in this game of a support that isn't honorable. I refuse to ever honor a Yuumi in any circumstance.
Support is where brains go to die, and yet it's still such an important role. I think it falls victim to the champion pool being largely skilless champs.
Jungle and top have more unskill champs, garen hecarim illaoi shyvana yi trundle mundo sett, basically all tanks and most fighters. Its just the community perception. Supports have very difficult champions indeed like pyke bard and rell, just some champs are notorious for being too effective at how simple they are aka yummi and janna
@@Zarya. every role has hyperbrain champs and zero brain champs. nami and brand are also low skill in terms of the kit itself. rell is incredibly simple too her difficulty just comes from the demands of the role and her lack of escape/lack of an optional engage (she cant fish for an opening, she goes in or doesnt). many tanks you can see top lane can also go botlane. like maokai or naut or others (alistar doesnt go top but is also smooth brain)
brains die there because most people do not know how to play it. Imagine you have to ward every potential danger point for your team, keep tabs on what your team has up to combo right, keep tabs what the enemy has to know how to fight, help your adc play comfortably, help the other teams, sacrifice yourself rather than letting others die, and then get shit from everyone
@@TheRagheb95 The champs need to be kept relatively simple cuz support players already need to keep track of 70 things at once lol. It's also helpful since a lot of people learn the game on support, so having support champs be more simple helps make the game (slightly) more beginner friendly imo.
As a support main it makes me feel happy and I'm getting emotional hearing you give us props! Because you don't know how many games I'd get my adc fed as a support then when we win my, jungler,mid,top all honor the adc and be like "adc carried!" or "so glad we got an adc like this that knows what they're doing!" meanwhile I'm here in my corner as a support not getting ANY recognition.
The problem with ranking role difficulty is that the list compeltely flips based on how you define hard. Is the hardest role the one that's the hardest to force a win with (least agency) or the one with the most responsiblity (most agency)?
I think maybe the idea he's going for is if there was a mythical person that was equally skilled at all roles which one would he have the highest win rate on? maybe? I dunno.
I'd put support at close to least agency. If you play engage supports, just try to be there for the engages. If you play enchanters, just try to keep a carry alive. You don't get to dictate the flow of the game, but hey you're playing fucking support, it's already clear you don't want responsibility. Also if the ADC is doing poorly, you can literally abadon ship and perma roam with the jungler to 3 man dive top and mid with very little gold and exp penalties.
@@cokecan6169 Sure, enchanters are one of the most passive champs with the least agency, but that doesnt make them comparable to engage supports. How do engagers dont have any agency when they literally decide when a fight breaks out? More often than not engage support provide the intial engage.
when i first started playing league my brother was ADC and he convinced me to be the support all the time, so i was totally thrust into the role of making sure my brother doesn't get bodied by the enemy team, but most of the time id play supports like blitzcrank and thresh who get to have fun with their abilities
I actually think that adc is the hardest role. I define "hard" in League, as something with a really small margine of error. You can't really make mistakes on adc because most of the time your support is as dumb as you and will not help you out. You also can't really hyper carry, because games aren't that long nowadays and you don't have the time needed to scale. You also have to know attack-moving which is irrelevant on most top laners, mid laners and supports. You also have to put down wards, beacause everyone has to. Other things include: wave management (not just shoving and roaming like in the mid lane), playing front-to-back in teamfights and skirmishes, constantly being at a disadvantage because you are always down a level or two and generally living in fear. But thats why I love this role... When you can perfectly sidestep a skillshot and kite someone to oblivion it feels so satisfying. Honestly it is like beating a boss in dark souls xd. Maybe I'm just biased so correct me if I'm wrong.
I found support much easier than adc. You have much more agency in lane as the support. You peel, you engage but you set the tempo normally. Making sure you have vision in the right spots, and getting it there without being picked off does take time to learn admittedly. Adc though. Holy the number of games I've ground out and I struggle to climb with it. I found jungle and sup to be easier so maybe I prefer the macro heavy roles vs the micro heavy ones. Most players ive found do appreciate the supports.
@@TheKayasto Or it can go both ways. When you're doing really good you don't even exist, but as soon as you accidentally take a kill you're all on everyone's minds and they won't stop flaming you until you either quit or they quit. Take it from me who has that happen as a Thresh and by 22 minutes I was the only one in my team still playing because I accidentally took a kill from the 0/9 Nautilus top.
Yeah, but if there's a support diff usually the entire bot lane just gets blamed because it's not like everyone can stop playing the game and watch bot lane to see who's fault the feeding frenzy really is.
18:05 Trust me. It can be. When you're in a teamfight and can't hit a single person without getting oneshot, if you can get more than one attack in, yeah. Draven Pyke vs. Caitlyn Lux never goes well for the former if they're the same skill level. And these two princesses are there every teamfight, cinderella not having a cooldown for her ultimate and 2.5s cc that takes half your hp, snow white just being unreachable unless it's a gangbang.
I'm a support main and whenever I have a game where everyone flames me for going 0/5/18(what? do you want me to take those kills?), I watch this rant. At least here, we can get som appreciation 😁
Man a person in the chat explained it so well. "You have to be the parent in the game". It is really tough but I love playing support man. I've been a support main for like 2 years after really struggling to find my role. I realized that in League, and all games since I do main support in every single class based/character based game you can think of, I feel the coolest when I can save my adc with a max range perfectly executed Nami bubble, and then get a triple kill with them. I love that feeling of "I gotchu fam, don't worry". It does suck when it's not recognized though. Even my friends some times can't even comprehend that I was the one that enabled them to get the quadra kill. We are all gold and plat so when someone does good in fight they go "Fuck yeah I'm carrying" or "Did you see my amazing ult?" or some shit like that, and I always try to sneak in a "but would the enemy have been in the perfect position for that ult if it wasn't for me though?". It does feel bad sometimes but it's ok. As I said I kinda like being the unsung hero that always has peoples' backs.
Being a support main is being the lancer to a protagonist in all honesty Did the adc stomp? Most likely you're a major part of that Did the assassin not die? Good job on that sick save That feeling when you save someone is honestly the second best feeling for me The first being a 100 crit rate, full tank senna with 200 souls and Frostfire gauntlet, with an infinity edge going ham I still have dreams of that zed dying on me as the fool thought I was soft, only to get blasted immediately by everyone else
@@anadaere6861 Jeez... Well yeah dunking on stupid cocky assasins (mainly Zeds for some reason) as a non tanky or not conventionally tanky enchanter support, or as Senna, whatever the fuck she is supposed to be, is always fun.
I used to play a lot of support and whenever we win and both me and the ADC did well it’s like a proud parent thing. You helped them get to the point that they’re a problem. That’s why I played a lot of support
Thank You bro for playing support.You guys are the one who is keeping that role alive.Support is the role that is necessary but no one wants to play.Thank You again.This is coming from a adc main.
I remember one game as a support Morgana, I died to a thresh after I got grabbed to protect my adc. Three seconds after I died, my jungler and adc engaged in a fight and died to a two v three and shouted at me that I was blind for not helping and never stop ranting about it and how I should never play Morgana again because of that one time they thought I didn't die and blame me for them dying after me. I am now a level 7 mastery morgana just because I played her more and got better just to spite those two idiots. Also, another game and this was a weird one, I played jinx adc and my jungler rengar complained that I got the kills whenever he ganked. He didn't want assist he wanted kills, one time I help him take the dragon but he pinged me to back off, I helped anyway, I got the last hit and he typed, "Seriously." And then he and our mid-lane complained the entire game and we lost because of them focusing more on arguing rather than playing when we were stomping them. Oddly enough my next match the same thing happen but on the enemy team, who was also a jinx who was doing really well but their jungler complained to everyone on his team about their adc getting all the kills and lost because they argued so much. Wasn't even the same jungler from the last match.
As a support main: I love you It's so fucking hard Having to rely on your team is hard And having to rely on an adc is even worse Half of the games I play I get shit from my adc no matter what I do I'm a really tolerant player, but sometimes I have to mute the adc Not a single person ever understands that I'm not trying to take their farm when I just push the lane And to end this little rant: it's 10 times worse in low elo Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for the recognition ❤️
im a supp main, TRUST NO ONE assume your team is going to feed. take a mage supp and ruin the enemy's mind and soul with pokes. i almost every match do the most dmg in the game, even if we lose, when i triple or qaudruple the adc's dmg. i know that unlike him, i actually know what im doing.
Everyone relies on each other really. Not just supports. Sure, you can barely make any solo plays, but you have a lot of power that other roles don't have. People rely on supports too. For warding, roaming, counterroaming, peeling, engaging. If you really believe support is the role that relies the most on their team, why main it? Wouldn't you wanna play something that gives you the most amount of impact you can have? I am a support main and I believe it's a very powerful role that can do a lot of stuff other roles can't. People rely on me! I don't rely as much on them.
Support is a role that is easy to get into (don't need to learn farming and don't necessarily need to know wave management in lower elos, main job is warding which can be low risk), but it is definitely difficult to carry/move up as a support main.
Agreed, what is always weird to me is how support has arguably the highest carry potential in the early game, yet also usually the worst players in the team. A supp that constantly runs around the map impacting everything can screw over basically every lane, while his ADC loses maybe 20% of the farm. Its actually hilarious how big the difference between your average, stick to ADC all game every game Lulu, and a permarotating pyke is. Yet rarely any supp even in low diamond does it. I have actually had games where supports got into a fight with their ADC and left lane and trying to what they think is trolling and actually impacting the game ten times more than before they left lane.
@@Lu-iw2io It's because of what Skooch said. Before you leave, you have to think about the ADC A lot of times, they will run it down in a 2v1 as soon as you leave the lane. So you have to calculate your timing well to not leave them alone for too long (recalling earlier than them, for example)
@@Piplup799 except that the adc wont just "run it down" if you roam, yes they might feel tilted because their support left their lane while the enemy support but like when you re 2v1 in lane against a naut draven and their jungle that just casually tower dive you over and over while you just want to atleast catch xp it fucking sucks. The worst thing is that you can't do shit about it, because you re an adc and the only saving grace there would have been your support. You re now left in a position where you are the lowest level in the game, have no gold or items because you werent able to cs and you just get one shot if you even try to join a teamfight while doing 2 damage and your only option is to try to greed cs while the enemy draven 1v9s the game because he had a support in his lane. Now its considered an "adc diff" and your team blames you for the game. This has happened to me many times and i try to accept it that supports do need to roam but most of them dont even understand that you still need them in your lane, and they or your team honestly dont give a shit, because you re just an adc and they only care if you inted your lane or not. At that point you just want to run it down out of the fact that you realize that the only reason you lost this game is because you picked this shit lick of a role. Ever since i realized this i just switched to mid and top and started actually enjoying the game.
@@maxishere9082 tbh, I get you. I know I shouldn't roam on engage-heavy matchups, so I don't do it as often (usually I just do it when the other support does it, if that's the case), but many Supports don't really pay attetion to this.
as a support/jungle main, this video is very nice to hear. After being bashed by teams for not being in 6 places at once and not saving the inting Sion in enemy base, it's very nice to hear that my roles are hard- because they are. The Child Psychologist line was SO REAL.
As a pyke main, I can vouch that any time I miss a hook or an ult the entire fight is my fault, even if I've got the most value on the team out of my ult. I think the one think Pyke does better than other supports is having the gold and items to 1v1, and I don't usually get pinged when I get kills in lane since it's valuable on me.
I feel like top lane is the least impactful yet the most frustrating lane that sometimes even if you're fed, the enemy bot or mid are also fed but still stronger than you. Even Hashinshin struggles with that lane.
Depends on the champ you pick. A shen or quinn are amazing with the roaming potential they have or you could pick a strong split pusher like tryndamere or yorick. You just need to know a lot about macro play
Top lane can be one of the most impactfull lanes, you just gotta know how to make an impact. The fights are not gonna come to you like in mid and bot, you yourself have to decide wich fights to join with tp, or when to pressure side lanes. Top lane has a lot of power, one simply has to know how to use it propperly.
Hot take: ADC is actually the easiest role, but it's the most volatile because 2 other teammates on top of your own actions control the end result. Edit: Goddamnit, I should've finished the video.
yeah to be honest the whole point of ADC is to sit on your ass and not die to get fed. Meanwhile Top has to worry about splitting, dealing with their laner, responding to their laner's tps, when to roam and when to push out. Imo top is like mid on steroids, which is why I think mid is the second easiest. Support I'd argue is pretty hard gameplay-wise because the gap between a bad and good support is so gigantic you could fit kai'sa's cake inside of it.
ADC honestly hasn’t changed since the game came out. Sit on your ass, farm, get items and carry mid-late. Compared that to junglers who got fucked every pre-season. Shit it’s like learning a new game. Legit you have to learn new champs every pre season and optimize your pathing + invades + items + ganking + objectives. It’s different every pre season. Jungler could be the most impactful role one season, or become as useless as a moving ward next season. Junglers have to learn to adapt with every meta. The only time ADC got changed drastically was when Riot fucked over crit and mages start to go bot. Of course that only lasted half a season because all the ADC mains were crying that they have to learn to play new champs bot now.
I remember trying support for the first time and chose Nami as my champ. I stole everything from cs to kills. And I thought, fuck, I'm bad at this... so I tried a tank support and it was having fun tanking for my ADC. I gave Nami another try and I got the hang of her. Honestly, I think she's the best babysitter.
Not considering the psychological aspects (like having to handle the adc lol) I think I'd break down the list a little more. Because like: playing certain roles at different efficiency levels changes a lot sometimes. Example: As a starter support, if you can just read your matchup kinda well and even sometimes forget about the map, you might still do pretty well just by having somewhat decent synergy with ur adc. Ofc, I'm not saying it's necessarily an easy role, but there's definitely an "easy mode" for playing it, which you might be able to get away with if you're not playing at a high level. Adc, which was considered to be an easy role, on the other hand, while they indeed might not even look at the minimap, there is no "easy mode" adc, no starter can just pick the role and get away with missing cs, bad positioning, not kiting or not being able to dodge skillshot, they'll just be absolutely useless. Btw, I have a friend who's not really that good, but he plays kinda well, thing is: he just kinda "attached" himself to the jungle and support roles when he started, and while you might consider them the hardest, think about that, as a starter: -He can get away with doing almost nothing in the jungle if the lanes go well. -He doesn't need to cs at all. -He barely needs to care about trading, enemy skillshots and cooldowns (yes, I know u need that as a support, but u can get away at a lower level simply by staying back and letting them throw it at ur adc who might be able to deal with it). Nowadays, he's better at the game, and he just stayed at those roles forever, "why?" you might ask, because he's literally unable of trading in a 1v1 lane, dodging skillshots and farming for his life, yet he can do well in the "hardest" roles, so I really believe we should "level up" the tier list if we wanna make it more accurate. At a lower level, that I'm considering basically the roles where you can get away with not playing efficiently the most, I'd probably say something like: -Adc, -Mid, -Jg, -Top, - Sup (Hardest -------> Easiest) If we wanna consider every role playing as efficiently as possible, however, I believe it'd be something like: -Jg, -Sup, -Mid, -Adc, -Top But honestly, I'd argue that at a higher level you're playing on way more "equal fields", it's just that some lanes focus a bit on a lot of things, while other hyperfocus single things, like adc per example: you might not be impacting many things on the game at once in the laning phase, but in an ideal world you should: never miss a minion, deal the most damage and be the most impactful on objetives while never dying, it's kind of a "tunnel vision gameplay" compared to other roles, yes, but you really have to polish those a lot to play efficiently. Also, did think of giving separate arguments for every lane and all, but this is way to long already lol But this is kinda just my opinion anyway.
I love you Skooch! I've been trying to teach myself other lanes to feel more helpful to the game, but I always end up going back to support roles. Telling us that we make a difference is so sweet and nice. Thank you Skooch!
For people saying that toplane counterpicks "aren't that bad", last time I took on a Kayle she was down 5 levels before laning phase was over. She pushed one wave too hard and I held a freeze for 10 minutes. If she tried to roam, I'd be right behind her. There's being zoned off CS and then there's being zoned out of XP range.
I think one of the worst parts of being a support main is when you heal/shield anyone, and the adc yells at you because "you only have to help me, don't waste your shield in anyone but me"
I’m literally crying after hearing that as a Soraka/ Sona main. Thank you for the validation it truly means so much. The amount of times I have personally been told to “kys” after getting a kill secure (the kill wouldn’t have been possible if I hadn’t). Sometimes it feels like everyone is against you. Again thank you for your kind words they truly made me feel like I was doing some good in this forsaken game.
As a support main, i thank you. One of the last games I played I had vision in a bush, the enemy jungler is in that bush, I ping to back off. I watch my adc just continue to push up as I turn around and decide im not going to die for this. Adc dies but i don't feel bad
As someone who loves playing heal/shield/debuff in every game I play it pains me every time I see someone flip out over it. People would rather die in 0.5 seconds then see someone receive a heal or have the damage be blocked and I'll never understand the mentality.
The issue with Botlane and support is you magically have to work together and a lot of the time one of the two don’t work with the other properly. You could have an aggressive adc with a passive support pinging you constantly to get back. Or you’re an aggressive support with a passive adc where you as a support dies cause you get caught out with no help and then get spam pinged because you went in with no help.
Altough you're right in what you say about ADCs, it's not really a hard role regarding macro decisions and map awareness; it has statistically the least number of challenger players. That's because it's the hardest role to climb, and it all comes down to the factor of relevance. There's no comparison between what a 20/0 Ashe and a 20/0 Yone can do in a match. Other than that i agree with everything you said. And yeah, supports are great. I wish there were more of them.
I dont agree with his opinion either about adcs, hes talking about galeforce and shield bow as if they were the absolute solution when the truth is that galeforce u wont have it for half the game and shieldbow gets bursted trough anyways in this meta.
As a Master support main I will say this: Support is one of the easier roles. Let me explain. Support items are pretty cheap with a lot of value. So that dismisses the argument that you get less gold. You don't have to worry about CS'ing. Only XP. Even with a shit adc, you can just leave lane and have impact on literally any other lane. You have the power of providing vision more than anyone else. That's not a con. That's a pro. I don't agree that support is that hard. Mistakes don't get punished as hard. You won't miss CS when you die. And most supports don't need XP for levels, really. You have the most freedom out of all the roles. Which makes the role simply easier to play. The part that is hard about support is USING that freedom, EFFICIENTLY. There are a lot of supports who don't abuse their freedom. But as I said, even if you don't. You don't get much punishment from it. Hence, Support one of if not the easiest role. Also, I hate the "as a support I rely the most on the team" argument. Supports can do a lot more things than other roles. I got a lot more power in the vision, roaming and cc area. More than any other role. So miss me with that weak shit. I don't rely much on my team. My team relies on ME!
@@UltimatViolet Yep, all the while you are not tethered to any lane or jungle. Unlike LITERALLY ANY OTHER ROLE. Supports tend to be the worst players too I feel like. Because they don't easily learn from their mistakes, because those mistakes tend to be invisible. Vision scores mean barely anything. You don't get visually punished for not using your roam potential, warding wrong or not taking oppertunities to engage. Even not peeling for your carries is not something you can check back after the match. Passive (enchanter) support players are easily the most elo inflated players in the game for these reasons.
i think when skooch said support is the hardest role i dont necessarily think he meant that gameplay vise , most of the points he speaks are how playing support is super hard mentally like about being tied by the most egotistical player on your team aka the adc, and in that concept i agree with him playing support takes a huge toll on your mental , the amount of flaming and brain dead critisicm you get even when you roam and get kills for your team while your babybitch adc is crying about how you are not there for him when it provides no actual benefit and many similar scenarios do make me think support is indeed a very hard role and no offense , i have the utmost respect for support players because they actually have to do so much in order for their dogshit team to actually do something useful.
@@aaryanshrivastava7875 ive played both roles and istg ive gotten more flame from the yuumi supports and naut/leona supports i have had than i had from my adcs. If i play support and lets say i do a bad play, i apologize and they re usually like "Its ok we'll just play safe and scale up" or "we'll just look for an oppurtunity to strike or wait for a gank and we'll be fine dw". When i play adc and make a minor mistake suddenly its an adc diff and im playing 1v2, then i get flamed by my team for it being an "adc diff" once again because i get constantly dived under tower. So like idk, i think both roles have their shitty players.
Concerning supports, I'd argue exactly the other way around: In my opinion, Support is a great role for beginners. You don't have to worry about last hitting, it feels rewarding to help (even if it doesn't work part of the time), you learn to ward, and you have no "pressure" to score a kill. Just provide vision, heal and shield, place a ton of wards (even if the placement is not perfect), and you're good to go at least for low elo. There's also a difference between support champions that can last on their own and those who can't. If you engage as a Leona and your team never follows, you're pretty f-ed and will never enjoy the game. If you're playing Morgana and there's no team synergy, just crank up your AP stats and be a "minor" carry instead of dead meat.
Funnily enough, support is actually a higher impact role in high elo than in low elo. And it's not just because vision play is more relevant. Primarily it's because low elo games tend to be longer, so being the one person that is linearly falling behind in items compared to everyone else makes you less impactful as the game gets longer, since the gap is increasing.
hey skooch although i agree with u on support, there are champs in jungle that rely as much of heroes without capes as supports. nunu etc rely on backing ur team mates up and putting effort into giving kills and leads to ur team mates. but yes u still have the choice to who u play around, a supp doesn't. very fine video! :D enjoyed it alot!
ADC main here, any time I take moment to step away from my role it's like a breath of fresh air. I don't need to worry about being .052 inches too far up or I'll die. Or being dove for the 13th time. Missing one skillshot or ability doesn't instantly mean I lose the fight. I can't be 1v1'd by a 0/4 top laner with his monitor off when I'm fed. Any other champ that isn't a marksman is just so easy comparatively. ADC is the second hardest IMO, the champs of other roles are just easier, straight up. I'm probably biased, but at this point no one can convince me it is the easiest role whatsoever.
I hate it when people disregard the role of adc, like wtf look at his arguments. Shieldbow makes you invincible, bro even braindead Yone can bulild shieldbow and he will be better than you. Focusing Ekkko ? He will just dash for ADC, one shot him and use ult to back to save position. I don't even want to start about all invisible assasins and riot's idea to put assasins as junglers. I will not forget time when 1/8 Graves almost one-shot me as 6/2 ADC. As ADC who is ahead you are basically still a easier target than enemy mid/jg/top. But as Melvin said "jUsT sTaNd bAcK aNd aUtO bRo, YoU hAvE a GaLeForCe To EsCaPe".
Watching this video is honestly pretty refreshing. Its nice to see that someone that mains a different lane gives recognition to how difficult supports have it when being a support main.
I'm a support main and I think it's the easiest lane in the game, maybe because I played that lane alot more than the others, my game play is probably adapted to that role making it harder to play other lanes idk, I was surprised for skooch to label it the hardest role.
He is talking about playing the lane well, in a bad situation. If your team is stomping everyone support is the easiest role in the game. You land a single hook and the enemy loses a tower. In a losing game support has to do SO much to make the team not lose on the spot.
Eh, I play pretty much* every role and I think supp is also the easiest, but it is shitty when your ADC sucks and you have to babysit them and they STILL die. *except jungle for the most part
Iget what you mean but imagine playing with an ADC that does not understand the concept of dodging and keeps getting hooked and stunned. and flames you for it.
Support main here, played a game just yesterday where I accidently took 2 kills because Rakan does a lot of damage with his W. Both times I got spam pinged like crazy like if it was intentional. Also got flammed for not warding enough when I was running around saving everyone that were looking for fights. Thank you for the love, brother!
Support is also super hard because it has such a high ceiling. Playing support optimally means that you single-handedly won bot, jungle, and mid lane for your team. Laning Phase in the bottom lane is also about 80% in the control of the support. They do most of the damage, they call for engages/disengages, they don’t need to farm so they can look at the map more, and the tip of the iceberg is that all of this depends on the matchup. If support gets counter picked, that’s 80% of the lane that you just lose. It’s such a thankless role, but it’s also one of the strongest, so that’s why I am a support main.
This is funny, because every other role needs to learn this, how to farm AND wave management, which means support is managing the LEAST macro in the game. Which is why support players are usually dogshit at everything else. They get elo inflated because they only need to learn half the game, while every other role has to know ALL of it.
@@frostdracohardstyle suure, maybe in bronze supports don't need to know wave management, but everywhere above, supports need to know how to manage waves, place wards properly depending on what plays on jungle, LOOK ON THE FUCKING MAP, which many people forget even exists, when to roam, when to dive, engage, how to path, peel for everyone possible, how to play when counter picked, how to play when your ADC thinks he's invincible incarnation of Faker. So yeah, we're not dogshit in macro just because we don't farm
As a jungler main, I feel like it's actually the easiest role for me (but not in general). I can go wherever I want, I can just dive into fights as I please, and I don't have to worry about farming cs under the watch of an ever-present opponent. In other words, I learned how to jungle because I hate laning. Now, whether or not I'm very good at jg is another conversation entirely.
you gotta watch frost, watch one video of that guy and see what he thinks how does he clear, where does he start. He is playing chess not jungle xD i can send you one of the videos of him if you want to see. after watching him i was like uhhh so this is what junglers do? xD
Idk why but as a support main that frame perfect save when you jump ahead your adc with Braums w and intercept the hook is the most satisfying shit ever. Even if you die and adc flames you.
I feel so much better being a support main after this video, i have so much people around me that keep telling me support is the easiest role in the game cause u just have to get carry by your team. You get 0 recognition in fight while your adc is being praise for basically just... auto attacking. People are talking about how difficult it is for an ADC to position correctly but support have to be aware where ennemies AND teammates are at all times and position accordingly (+ Most of the time no one cares about us being kill so we got almost no protection beside ourself.) And please other roles, when your support ping they're on the way to help you, go to them, stop running away from us!
Just wait until you dash with your galeforce from a 13/0 tryndamere who also has galeforce. Or when you try to kill a shieldbow graves. Or when crit riven shows up and dives you under your tier 3 tower while the tier 2 is still standing. So yeah galeforce might save an adc like once or twice, but it doesn't save them from all the mobility other champions have. Most toplaners have more movement speed as well, they don't even need to build galeforce to catch up. The dash is not that long and the damage on it is better used as an execute damage for high prio targets anyway. Not to mention galeforce dash doesn't go over walls which is rather sad. Thanks for saying it.
I would argue the thing that makes ADC's tough right now is the importance of the early game. You can't really passively scale reliable anymore, and you can't do anything early if you don't smash 2v2. I do agree though that it's probably the easiest role in general.
@@matth600 mostly due to shit mental about it and requiring a decent level of varios level of macro which most people suck at. Most people cannot handle anything more than ooga booga me oneshot.
The fucked thing with adc players is that they don't know how to select the champions right. Half the adc picks are pure coinflip and having to trust the support for the synergy you thought would be good in your brain is another level of coinflip. Ask how can i beat Nautilus Samira in bot lane and you will get so many Answers you dont know which one is true cause no one actually knows
@@georgkroux8554 most of the time it doesn't matter, an adc has is damage for the most part with little bit of utility or reach. Nautilus samira botlane can be beaten with a tanky support to soak up naut cc and interupt samira. The adc can be both a short range all in adc like kaisa xayah lucian or a long range bully adc like cait ashe jhin. Depending on the pick, the lane has to be handled differently. The short ranged adcs want to punish the engage while the long ranged adcs want to discourage the engage in the first place. Both types have a strategy on how to handle it. However, if the support isnt a taric/tahm/poppy/leona/morgana, all of a sudden dealing with the lane becomes infinitely harder. A soraka support regardless of adc would fuck both into that lane.
Yo skooch I thought up some ideas for more tierlists you could make. Probably shouldn't make a long comment but eh: Best therapist: Pretty self explanatory Best school teacher: would sett the gym teacher be better than donger the science teacher? Best year of league of legends: was 2016 meta better than 2020 meta? Best gamemode: With urf, summoners rift, the star gaurdian event and more you can actually make a full list and honorable mention best friend: that childhood friend lulu could be great if she knows your her friend
As an ADC player, I know that the support is who helps me be strong. I'm always thankful to my support and my team. If randoms are doing things that don't make sense, I will call it out. But I will always be grateful to my support. SorinCloud, local Jinx main
As a jungle main since Season 2, I think it's one of the hardest role. You need to keep an eye on the mini map to see who's pushed and who's pushing, keep an eye on objectives, provide vision for your whole team since Mid/Top never fucking ward, and you need to explain to your perma-pushed Top lane who went 0-8 at 10 minutes because they lived under enemy turret that you DON'T. GANK. FEEDING. LANES. Also, the "everything is your fault" is spot on.
As a top laner I feel the opposite, I just played one ranked game this month, I’m Camille lvl 3 half health pushed into my turret, massive wave crushing. My opponent is tahm kench, lvl4 and obviously still full health. My kindred goes for a scuttle fight and tahm kench starts leaving. I pinged enemy missing twice, pinged danger on the kindred twice he goes 1v2 dies, flames me reports me says he doesn’t give a fuck I should just follow. It’s not roles it’s just fucking people, and let’s be honest sometimes we are those stupid people.
5:03 The funny thing is that Riot’s released new items that let Veigar win against Zed if he goes even. Veigar can build Crown, a zhonyas for the classic Zed ult interaction, and then an anathema’s so you don’t have to zhonyas Zed ult anymore. As long as you farm up and Zed’s roams don’t work, you win every time.
Points for each role you mighta missed out Support - with a compatible adc, you can become one hell of an enabler and turn a carry into a monster, need i remind you what duo strats like garen and yuumi look like? But with randoms, yeah, adc’s often fail to communicate intentions to you so you have to just mind read or guess what your adc’s playstyle and skills are like, and it is hella boring if they are passive af and expect you to sit in laning phase doing NOTHING while they play farming simulator til 4 items into the game. Jungler - while they carry the most responsibilities in game, they also have the best role to influence the game, it is a lot of pressure but the rewards are also equally as high. Top - one of the hardest roles to influence the rest of the game with, if the other lanes and jungle are losing, any lead you gain top often becomes worthless as you’ll just get kited and wittled away. Mid lane - personally these guys have the highest ego lacking responsibility problems, you think adc is bad? ‘PREFER MID’ = you get ppl threatening to feed if you dont give them mid more than any other role, they will ask you to pick their intense 1337 skilled edgy champs like yasuo promising theyll hard carry, and then they go 1/11/1, or you get those brain dead ahri and lux players that just SUCK, they need to go learn how to play tanks, but no they go mid, go oom, die repeatedly feeding an assassin, and single handed lose the game. Lastly yeah i think mid hold the least accountability, they can be useless all game and yet no one ever seems to blame them for being useless, and i swear mid is where you find 1/2 of the boosted players including egirl players. Adc - adc’s just need to communicate more with ppl on their team, cos lets face it, more often than not an adc is a glass cannon, and they rely the heaviest on their team enabling them to do their job, so just be a little more humble, and learn to communicate more with supports to let them know when you want to go in or who you want to target so you can combo your abilities efficiently, because too often more than not the adc says nothing then gets irritated when the outcome doesn't benefit them enough! Well your support is NOT a mind reader, so that is often on you for not saying anything.
As a support main, it’s honestly a lot easier than it seems nowadays. There are so many more roam opportunities, that even if your adc is awful, you’ll find a way to gank mid or top or invade with your jungler and snowball them.
"Support is the hardest role in the game" *laughs in yuumi* In all seriousness, the hardest supports are the enchanters. The ones that focus heal, focus sheild, focus peel. Ones like soraka, nami, karma, and yuumi, you know, the only ones that willingly build the shitty support items. Enchanters cant really ever do damage. Now... TANK SUPPORTS. nautilus, leona, braum, alistar. They have the CC, they do the stuns, they dont really GET kills but holy shit can they do it with the snap of their fingers. Now, the sub class of carry supports are the ones that are horrible in pro play but excellent in solo q. Supports like lux, Morg, senna, seraphine, and so on, adcs usually dont care if you steal kills because you're supposed to buy items and just roll over everyone else in the lobby. Support is the hardest role in terms of design, but certain support champions make it feel like the easiest role out there.
I mean, yeah, but sometimes you as a supp forget you are still the supp and having kills with gold reduction is not actually that good And you got killed on 1v1 (unless for some reason jg and mid decided not to gank bot the whol game, that ngl, in solo q happens)
Enchanters are the easiest support, wdym? They are very easy to play efficiently. You just don't have much carry power. You rely on others too much. But that's a burden you put on yourself.
@@Dutchyman enchanters are the hardest because you literally have to pray that your team isn't dogshit because you yourself as an enchanter can't do shit for damage in teamfights. But going by your logic and assuming you always get God's for teammates, then yes enchanters are theoretically the easiest
I’m so incredibly thankful that someone finally acknowledges what us Support mains go through, and my favorite streamer at that. Thank you, Skooch. You have genuinely made me feel like I actually make a difference in my games.
I feel the line from Futurama should basically be the Support Motto: "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all" At the end of the game when the stats roll, you won't have kills, you won't have gold, you won't have damage. But during the game, you will have used your champs skills, and support items, to make fights happen, to save people who would have died otherwise and everyone will credit the character with the most kills anyway. It's a thankless task for sure, but one I'll always enjoy.
I honestly do not agree at all with the support hot take, for me it's by far the easiest, you can focus precisely on vision and map awareness because you don't have to risk dying by getting close to farm. All you need to do in teamfights is watch your adc's back if you're a peeler/ healer, or engage if your team has a sure way of winning all-ins. And I would put adc on the same tier as mid tbh, nobody else in the game can be so easily deleted like an adc, Leona does her combo on you? 3/4 hp gone, additional enemy would have to be blind not to follow-up on that. Assassin enemy mid roamed? Get dived/ lose farm because you need to back. Bot lane is so heavily reliant on its team he could throw down a party down there. Before you ask, no I am not biased, I'm a mid player mostly but I can take every role and I agree with the rest of the tiers, just not botlane.
problem with ADCs is that unless you're doing exceptionally well you doesnt matter... i play ADC kinda lot lately because i play with my friend who supports me and i can tell you ADC diff is the least significat diff in the game (ok, maybe after support, but sometimes support diff can be more impactful than adc diff), my friend refuses to learn league more than to know most champs and some items so we often lose the lane just because he doesnt understand the game properly... but guess what, our 0/5 toplaner can 1v1 their 5/0 adc and if our toplaner isnt braindead he can 1v2 adc with support about the support thing... i tried to be support main season or 2 back, but as casual player somewhere between bronze and silver it was waste of time, i didnt have any assurance i'd have anyone at least semi good in my team that could take advantage of good support
I feel you on the support ranked thing. Me and my ADC can have amazing stats like 1/0/7 and 6/1/2 or sth in laning phase but if every other lane is 1/4/1 then it doesn't really matter because my supporting can't carry them enough to win
@@Wojtackic Wrong, a good botlane premade is easily the most impactful thing in the game. you are 2! champions that are designed to go together, it kinda explains itself.
I agree with most of what u said, but as a person with morgana as my 2nd main i can tell you, supp diff is a HUGE fucking differential. As a morgana i can easily 1v2 if any one of my enemies gets even a little bit cocky, then snowball out of control to the point of winning 1v3's or 1v4's under tower. And with a decent adc it's almost always easy to win if the other three people in the team don't die 12 times for free, but then again, as a jinx 1st main i totally depend on my supports to actually make a difference in the lane, so you got that quite right.
The one thing that makes support worth playing to me, is the dopamine rush whenever i manage to save someone on the brink of death and they give me a thumbs up and a smiley face in chat.
@@AltRockerX the difference between a good pyke and a bad pyke is the good pyke remembers he's a support, so he'll only get kills with ult (exeption if it's a kill to save a teammate or a fleeing enemy)
i would say top is the hardest lane, but jungle is the hardest if you don't know what you are doing and jungle mistakes greatly affects the map. so if you are a great jungler then top will be the hardest lane. mid is like top but on easy mode because you have soo many options and when lane sucks you just roam support is not easy because you have to know when and where to roam and how to push your advantage, you basicly carry your lane while adc usually just stands behind and deal damage when you give him the opportunity. you also need to place half your team's vision and have no gold. All you need as ADC is to farm and just play passive until you have another player with you and have the support lead the way
as an adc player I gotta say you overlook some things. I play twitch a lot and some supports make laning a living hell, or if an enemy mid/jgl/top is fed they will always target the adc first. Through positioning and tracking cooldowns really well I can stay alive to dps and comeback in the game. IMO laning is the least hard as adc, but playing mid/late game is the hardest
When people ask me why i play support i always say that i dont want to be under the pressure of making the flashy games or die trying and getting flamed for inting. As a support most of the times i have a constant value (vision healing/hooking, peeling, shielding etc..) and i like that i can do things even if i we lost the laning phase. Outside of that i'm like this irl as well i coordinate things with my friends im supporting them mentally and things like that and i like to be a trap cuz i play only e-girl champs. Btw thanks for the vid it felt for my soul like those occasional honors that i get rearly during my games :)
Getting the recognition as a support makes me feel warm. I remember someone told me back then support was the easiest because you tag along your ADC and just assist, but they don't know how much we have to ward, when to engage, what supports sync with our adc, how to handle being yelled at often, ect.
I started playing league as a stand-in for when my brother had to dip mid-game, after 2 years of that I started myself and got shunted off to the support role in my brother's team because "it's the easiest" after 12 years of playing league of legends it finally clicked that it wasnt the easiest role because I got sick of playing it a while ago and picked up jng.... the hardest part I've found with other roles isnt the role itself but that I don't know the champs that well since I've mainly played in support
Alright, I’m a mid main and I’m not going to pretend to not be biased. But mid is absolutely harder than top in my opinion. The biggest reasons you say top is harder are that you don’t get help from your jg and counter picks. Counter picks are absolutely worse in top than in mid but when it comes to getting help from the jg I feel like more often than not I am helping our jg early on. Gotta always make sure I win my first trade so I can push and help with scuttle. Admittedly this is probably from the fact that I duo q with a jg whose philosophy is “i know you can take care of yourself so imma baby the other roles until mid game when we double time not and make the adc rage quit” so I don’t really ever get ganks but the idea that the mid has the potential to get babies by the jungles goes back both ways. Mid lane has to be in every fight no matter where. If your jg is dragon, you better be there. If they are doing dragon but your jg is dead/throwing, you better do something, if either lane is chasing their opponent down river or fleeing for themselves you are their only hope. Mid lane has to be everywhere just as much as the jungles after 5 minutes and you have to essentially be a second jungles in solo because you can’t rely on anyone.
loved the video. I was a support main when I played, I loved the role and all the things i had to make sure I did to make the team win, but I had to quit playing due to just how toxic people were even when I was doing my job. One time I remember was when I was having a good game on pyke I had gotten my laner ahead and had started roaming, but our top laner was feeding and around the 20 minute mark he just started flaming me for my vision score even though it was still the highest on my team and had gotten now both my lane and mid lane a lead. We won the game but that guy did not stop flaming me the whole time.
"adc is the ego role. Pls let me farm, gank for me!" Well yes.. But on the other hand, it's a fair point. All other lanes do well with just levels, meanwhile the adc is worth nothing without gold. The amount of times in soloQ where my jungle kha zix/kayn takes every single kill, goes 10/10 feeding shutdowns left right and center and then the adc is sitting there, 2 items at 30 minutes shooting peas at the enemy. XD And while I agree that supp is difficult, it is the easiest role to climb ranked untill the higher ranks. In the lower ranks you are gonna face droolers who didn't want support and don't take it serious. So just by playing support as a support you will win games xD It's only past Diamond, where you face other support mains that it gets rough.
Yea supports in low elo just play mages like xerath lux brand zyra or pyke cos hes an edgelord. They usually sit on 4 free wards without a swapped red trinket. Theyre usually fed because support item gives a lot of gold and they use spells on waves. While adcs are so useless. They usually get doublekilled by the jungler. Its so easy to just play Nautilus and perma gank lanes. Or play Lulu to make adcs actually survive. Mage supports are supposed to be lane dominant but they sit there letting the enemy adc take the wave. Its also the reason why people play more self sufficient adcs in low elo like Ezreal Samira Kaisa Tristana or Caitlyn.
@@maxishere9082 that's just wrong. How can you even write that, not knowing it's wrong? I mean some of what you've written is true, then fact that toplane gets more exp, true. but the fact of the matter is that gold, and gold leads, aren't unevenly distributed? you have the same source of income as an adc, as you would if you were top or mid. Jungle and supports are different, i'll say that, but those roles weren't in your point. If you are sitting at 2 full items at 30 min, it's because you suck at laning, you suck at trading and you suck at last hitting. i'm not saying that adc's aren't very gold reliant, they are usually the most gold reliant class, but that's where creep score comes into play.
@@emilkingo4992 the adc can be 13/2 200 cs and the top laner can be 5/2 200 cs both the same amount of gold, as u have to share platings, towers and default lane gold with your support. You pretty much get double value for everything in your lane besides cs as a top laner
As a Plat 3 Jungle main that has been maining Jungle from season 2 onwards, I almost broke my computer desk slamming it with my fists screaming "YES! LISTEN TO THIS MAN!" when he was talking about the Jungle. I wish more people would understand that the Jungler cannot be everywhere.
