When Michael Jordan Was A POINT GOD 

Install Raid for Free ✅ IOS/ANDROID/PC: clcr.me/JonnyArnett_Raid and get a special starter pack💥 Available only for the next 30 days How would Jordan's career have changed IF he had stayed at Point Guard?? CORRECTION: It looks like I did the math incorrectly about Jordan's adjusted numbers. Here's a comment from Mike Evans with the correction... "My man Jonny you did the math wrong, His scoring decreased by 9% that's correct, but his rebounding increased by 21% and his assists increased by 55%, which makes his adjusted stats even more impressive. In this case MJ per his career would average 27.4 PPG 7.5 RPG and 8.2 APG, and if we use only his Bulls years, then it's even crazier, 28.6 PPG, 7.6 RPG and 8.4 APG"

My man Jonny you did the math wrong, His scoring decreased by 9% that's correct, but his rebounding increased by 21% and his assists increased by 55%, which makes his adjusted stats even more impressive. In this case MJ per his career would average 27.4 PPG 7.5 RPG and 8.2 APG, and if we use only his Bulls years, then it's even crazier, 28.6 PPG, 7.6 RPG and 8.4 APG

This kinda has an "I could, if I wanted to" vibe, just like the shrug game.

I think Jordan was always cable of dropping 10+ assists before he moved to PG. He was just such a natural scorer that he chose not too. Jordan doing Jordan things.

I've always hated when the "MJ wasn't a good passer" narrative is tried to be pushed by some desperate moron. Before Scottie lost his mind, he always spoke about how him being the primary playmaker took that role away from Jordan so it allowed him to focus on scoring, still play stellar defense and closing out games. It was never about him not being able to do it, but rather not being required to do it because he already had so much on his plate.

I was watching a regular season Bulls vs Hawks game from 1989. The Bulls lost, but Jordan had a 40 point triple double and Pippen and Cartwright didn’t play. He looked so fluid as the point guard that it really made you think as if it was his natural position.

Michael Jordan is just the most talented person that will ever live with a basketball in their hands, period. If he was asked to play the point he would’ve been the best point of all time, and if the game required him to take more three’s he’d be absolutely okay dominating that field aswell. The guy is just a winner. 🐐

'91 NBA Finals he returned to that position and was dueling with Magic Johnson. Contrary to popular belief, he is the one who was primarily guarding Magic and only shifted when he was in foul trouble. I think he averaged 31/8/11 that series.

It's time to end the GOAT debate, and Realize that this Man is the real GOAT!

Imagine if he was tasked to play PG for the majority of his career. This guy could get 15 assists on a flip of a switch. Unreal 🐐

So glad you broke down, and first informed people, about this stretch of when MJ dominated at the point guard spot. I loved Jordan at the point but I can't say he should have stayed at the point. As great of a point guard as he was, he was THE natural 2 guard, born to play the SG spot.

The thing with the triangle offense is that there is no single floor general because the ball is always moving and your players won't have that many assists but the team as a whole will average a lot of them In that sistem MJ still averaged like 6.6 apg

Great video, that part of MJ's career is rarely mentioned. But it's further proof that he was able to accomplish stuff that's simply unthinkable for other GOAT candidates. I'm 100% that he would be one of the greatest 3-point shooters, if 3-point shoots had the same importance they have today.

And some people still fall into GOAT debates... There is no debate. Great stuff Johnny

When I was a kid this was my favorite Jordan year by the numbers, 32p 8r 8a is savage. Imagine if the kid in gym class who was the biggest try-hard, was also the kid with the most natural talent. That’s MJ.

Judging from his captivating play that surpasses the human level and his contribution to the whole basketball world, Jordan will continue to be God.

The 7 triple doubles in a row is tied 3rd for longest streak. Westbrook with 13, Wilt with 9 then Oscar and Jordan with 7.

As impressive as MJ's adjusted stats looked like in this video, now imagine if he rested on defensive and only cared about offense.

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30/9/10 for a career while being one of best defenders ever is nuts. It just shows that despite the ridiculous numbers we saw from Magic and Larry and the ones we see today from Lebron and Doncic, they’re not shit to what MJ was when he gets the same level of ball dominant usage and the keys to run the offense. Even so, Jordan being 33/6/6 in the playoffs while being an all time defender shows you that it’s him and everyone else in all time greatness. But I definitely agree that he wouldn’t have enjoyed the same level of success had Collins continued coaching and Jordan never got to play in the Triangle. Pippen’s ascension along with an improved supporting cast turned their offense into a multi level threat due to Pippens all around game and the defense went to new levels as he had Rodman and Grant as help defenders. This is best shown during the first 3 peat as Jordan had a reserve of shooters in Paxson, Armstrong and Hodges along with Pippens playmaking to take the pressure off him. In the 2nd 3peat, Rodman’s rebounding gave Chicago so many more possessions along with shooting and offense Kukoc Pippen and Kerr created. Jordan might’ve become the king of every major box score number if he had continued to dominate the offense, but there’s also no question he would’ve won less as we have seen that ball dominant offenses don’t win chips.

7:21 Jonny, you made a huge mistake. It appears your calculations for adjusting pts reb ast were using his stats as PG vs his total stats that year rather than comparing his PG to his SG stats. You calculated -9%pts, +17.4% reb, +35.5%ast. But the actual numbers are -9%pts, +21pts, + 55.4% ast. So at 8:28 when you compare him to Lebron, Jordan's stats should actually be 27.4pts- 7.5reb-8.2apg vs Lebron 27.1-7.5-7.4. That's a big difference compared to your adjustments of 27.4-7.3-7.2 Just for fun, since Lebron hasn't played until age 40 like Jordan, I took Jordan's 3rd year to the end of the Bulls run and compared it to Lebron from his 3rd year and for next 11 season. Below are the correct adjustments as well as direct comparison: Jordan: 32pts-6.3reb-5.4ast-2.5stl-0.9blk Lebron: 27.8pts-7.3reb-7.0ast-1.6stl-0.8bk Adj MJ: 29.1pts-7.6reb-8.4ast-2.5stl-0.9blk Adjusted MJ beats Lebron by 1.3pts, 0.3reb, 1.4ast, 0.9stl, 0.1blk.

When MJ was at his peek, aside from shooting 3 he was honestly the perfect all around player and was a elite at everything. They don’t give MJ off ball game, playmaking and longevity enough credit.

So if Jordan played Pg for the rest of his career he would have similar numbers to LBJ, that's saying something. I would have loved to see a whole season of MJ at point so we can actually see how his numbers would have looked and how teams planed for it

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Jordan would be the GOAT in any era. His game was far more multifaceted than people realize. He would adjust

It’s hard for some to fully understand how great he was. Without the floor general aspect of some players nowadays.

Man... I AM SO GLAD you made this video so these LeBron fanboys can stop talking about how much more supposedly "versatile" LeBron than MJ. 😂

Jonny arrnett can you make a vid on how good Jordan’s 37 ppg seasson was?

This proves being "all-around" don't mean sh1t when you the GOAT scorer/elite defender/elite clutch player. No one called Oscar Robertson the GOAT. This experiment with PG MJ looks good on paper. But the winning formula was for MJ to be the most badass combo scorer/defender/assassin the NBA has ever seen. F*ck assists. F*ck rebounds F*ck stats in general GAME FILM DOES NOT LIE SKILL and WILL is greater than Excel spreadsheets

Actually, if we don't include his Wizards years, when MJ was far past his prime, his adjusted numbers would be 28.6 PPG, 7.4 RPG, and 7.3 APG, While being an Elite Defender. Considering that Bron has yet to drop in production due to age, it's more fair to compare to only Chicago MJ numbers, and it's crazy how dominant he is. It's basicly the same stats as Lebron, but with better scoring, and these numbers ignore the fact that the pace of the game was a lot slower in the 90s than nowadays, which means less points, assists and rebounds available.

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Glad you made this video, because many fans today don't understand that superstars like Harden, Luka and Westbrook in his prime all had these crazy stats because they were the primary scorers and point of the team's attack, which leads to great stats but doesn't help to win a championship and probably never will. Because that system can have only one superstar on the team while others should be role players who can stretch the floor and shoot threes if they are open. But basketball is a team game, you need a well functioning team to win it, not just one superstar and a bunch of supporting cast. That was the case during Jordan's playing days, and it's the same today. Just take a look at GSW and their playing style. They have a nice ball movement and make a lot of passes during the game, nobody's the clean distributer of the team, which makes them the hardest team to defend against.

Goat. People say he wasn’t a good passer or playmaker. This proves everybody wrong.

This adds more fuel to the fire as mj as the goat

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You mention a good point abou thow players today are more stat heavy due to the way the game is played. You can actually see that happen after handchecking was eliminated in 2004. Individual scoring from perimter players skyrocketed and you quickly began to see perimeter players put up more points + assist combined than before but it really elevated to the level of today with Westbrook and Harden. Between 1973-2008, only Jordan averraged 27pts 8ast in the same season (in the season discussed in this video). Since 2009, it's been done 13 times by 6 players. What about rebounds included? Let's do 24pts 8 ast 7 reb. 1968-2008, only done once by Jordan in the year of this video. Since 2009, 14 times by 5 players (12 times since 2016). Want 24pts 10ast? Between 1973-2015 only one player averaged 24pts 10ast in 1990 with Michael Adams. In 2016/17, Harden and Westbrook both averaged 24-10. And since 2016 it's been done 5 times by 3 players. You can see how players today stack stats much more than before.

MJ would literally put better stats then 2k players

This is one of the many reasons why i never understood why Lebron was even in the top 20 discussions let alone in the GOAT debate. Bron hasnt just been the focal point of the offense like most superstars today but he WAS the offense. Thats why his teams would implode when he sat or left an organization Bron has been stuffing the stat sheet for his entire career and STILL couldn't get 10 triple doubles in 11 games. Hes great but he not only intentionally stuffs the stat sheet but he also needs multiple HoFs and top tier role players in order to succeed MJ and Kobe >>>> Lebron all day

This is why I laughed when people were really looking at wade, Kobe and jordan and talking as if hardens playmaking and rebounding was so much better than them a few years ago. I was like, had u given any of those 3 players the amount of spacing and shooters to work with, and put them in a role like harden, lebron, or Westbrook had, their numbers would look just as crazy. Imagine prime wade playing with actual floor spacing instead of what he had in Miami from 06-2009. Or Kobe pre gasol with all shooters, or this version of jordan playing a full season like this but in todays game.

Mj as a point guard could do as much as lebron can do with the assist and rebound

Prime Jordan in 88-89!

This is interesting, I did not know this. Thanks for making this video! What sets MJ apart is he was trying to win games instead of trying to 'get his' stats. I think this is a good example of why Triple Doubles in todays game are meaningless. Any great player can get one if they have the ball the whole game.

Mr 720p delivered again. MJ said he was the utility man of his team. He would do anything his team needed. 6:23 I saw what you did there.😆 You also forgot that was only 24 games. His numbers would surely improve as time goes on. He can still average 30 with more rebounds. His assists would increase but not by much under the triangle as forwards and centers benefit from it more.. Based on your math his Bulls career ave would've been at least 28.6 pts 7.6 reb 8.4 assists..

Kobe also did something similar to this in the year he tore his achilles. Would have been super interesting to see both Kobe and MJ to play PG for a couple of seasons in their primes.

MJ was extremely fundamentally sound man, and very skilled.

I always noticed that most of his triple double were concentrated in very few games, and that video explains why. When I was twelve I used to play "Lakers vs Celtics and the NBA playoffs" (based on that season), and I was suprised to see Jordan listed as point guard, and this video explains why :) 24 games are too few, but there is no doubt that Michael Jordan could play greatly as point guard (and, why not?, as small forward), but I think it isn't in his nature. I still believe he had the best possible career for himself.

Great video. I also think Jordan being more ball dominant would have negated some of the things that made Scottie Pippen special. Once Phil Jackson took over with the triangle offense, it just made sense to return MJ into more of a traditional 2 guard. And over time, I think MJ probably would have been less dominant defensively with more offensive responsibility.

That proves Jordan was as good of a passer as almost anyone. I do think though that had he kept on playing as PG his durability would have decreased or he would've had to lay off at the defensive side of the floor. Either way it could have impacted Bulls in a negative way (compared to what we know already happened: 6 rings)

Another amazing video, I think Jordan could've done virtually whatever he wanted on the floor and if he was more of a pass first facilitator then 100% he would be up there with the all time greatest point guards, although to your point would that have resulted in as many championships? who knows maybe with a pass first style he would've had more longevity too.

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Glad to see Jordan finally get some shine for his work outside the baseball diamond

People forget Jordan averaged 8rebs and 8assist for a season he could really do it all

Using adjusted numbers is fine for this exercise, but PG Jordan would have probably averaged a double double for his career (points, assists). The percentages Jonny described came from Collins's offense, while the bulk of MJ's career numbers came from the triangle offense. So the key here is Phil Jackson and Tex Winter never coming into the picture.

The modern shill media do not want the younger generation to know these gems about Jordan. I alway tell them Lebron studied Jordan and he saw his numbers when he ran point so that’s why James refuses to play outside of his Lebron system which is patterned after Jordan’s 24+ games at point. Jordan gave up personal numbers for team success when Phil begged him to buy into Tex Winters Triangle system. He would not 3peat 2wice in one decade if he remained selfish like Lebron. I truly believe Lebron came in to stat pad from jump but sadly it does not bring you the team success. .

Thanks Jonny for the video!

MJ the GOAT by a mile, whoever is second is nowhere close

Would love to see you rank all of Jordan’s championships in a future video!

There are no videos like this for Lebron. There are many hidden gem stats for Mike.

Michael Jordan was better at his craft than any person in history.

When People talk about LeBron being a better playmaker and rebounder, I tell them this!!

by far the best intro on youtube

Still would've averaged 30ppg as a point guard though lol

Besides having the best basketball videos on YT, you're the master of the segue. As always, awesome videos. 👍

Crazy to think of MJ if he would of stayed at PG! Surely he would of never got to being perfect in the finals, or even make it to that many. Have seen similar videos about this but your video is also a 10/10 IMO

Jonny....the adjusted numbers also don't take into account that as full-time PG his averages wouldn't be affected as dramatically by the years he only averaged 2.9, 4.6, 4.3, 4.3, and 3.4 because as a PG those assist numbers would be way up....way more than the 35%...I would say like 90%.

It was an interesting experiment of imagination, but I don't think it really changes anything. It just proves as you said, that your output depends on your role and workload. So MJs skill is undeniable, and his 10 scoring crowns are insane. On the other hand, if LeBron was asked to be more of a scorer he would also have more scoring crowns than he has now.

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I think if Jordan had played PG his whole career to the level he played in this short stretch, he might not have won as many titles as he did. Basically, I think it would've been similar to LeBron's career. So this further strengthens the hypothesis that LeBron's ball dominance actually hurts his team more than helps.

Bruh Jordan’s adjusted stats matching Lebron’s shocked me

Class is in session with an MJ gem from Jonny.

Good vid.. high level summary that touched all the bases.. And Jordan averaged those numbers without teammates spacing the floor and providing the optimal setup for ball-dominators that today's player enjoys

WOAHHHH LEBRON IS MJ AS A POINT GUARD

Wherever...whatever... whenever... he'd still be the best ever

Michael can do all things

Also, as far as MJ potentially being considered the greatest PG of all-time (assuming he played that position throughout his career)... Honestly, I think people would kind of say that MJ was the better player, but Magic was the better point guard. Despite MJ putting up the assists, he just couldn't make the passes that Magic could make. Like Lebron is the closest I've seen in terms of passing talent to Magic, but even then there is a big gap between the two in my opinion. So again, MJ would be the better overall player, but it's hard for me to say anyone is a better pure point guard than Magic since his passing and playmaking was 2nd to none and that's ultimately the most important skill for that position (no matter what all the nephew Steph fanboys say).

And this is exactly why the assists-rebounds argument Lebron fans tend to use is innefective against Jordan.

And others say he couldn't pass he doesn't do playmaking

GOAT

Mike coulda played center. He still woulda been the goat. Put sum spect on that man’s name!!!

My buddy was a paperboy & i remember getting a sports page from him to see MJs stats everytime. :)

Less 💍.. Jordan embraced winning over stats.. Jonny, you nailed it with this video

Great video, it helps to understand how much the type of player and way of play can change the idea of the player itself. MJ was another kind of animal. Amazing. Every now and then comes out some reminder of how dominant he was. LeBron should have won that DPOY in 2013 and for sure he should have at least another season MVP. For me they are 1-2 in the GOAT debate, one week MJ is up the other is LeBron...

@ 3:42 Jordan's Deltoid doin the Jumpman lol

This solidifies Brons greatness. Off the numbers, he's a point guard version of MJ. 2 goats

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Would also have been interesting to see how Larry Bird's career would have turned out had he played his more natural PF his entire career.

If Michael Jordan Was A POINT GOD in today league he would average 30 points in triple double .

People need to understand one thing. Today's players has 20+ 9+ 7+ statistics not cuz they're superior cuz the game is more positionless and the tempo is too damn fast , cuz physical contact reduced, scoring maded easier and with uptempot scoring machine game all other stats like rebound (cuz more shoot throwing) and asists (cuz more baskets) numbers also gets a boost. If Barkley aint have a 25+ 12+ 8+ stats that not cuz he cant that's cuz that wasnt his business to do. The positions were more definitive and tempo were slower, physical contact was teh main meta. Clyde Drexler could've have 21+ 9+ 7+ 2+ career easily but he didnt. Not cuz he is inferior to Harden , it's cuz of the meta he plays in. Its not about "old players cant do that" type of thing. They literally "wont" do that and no meta for forcing that either too. And older era players werent that self-centered and stats-centered. Barkley or Garnett or MJ or any other versatile greats from the past can abuse the stats sheet with ridicilous numbers. But back then there were specialists for each task. Specialist perimeter defenders, specialist rebounders, specialist long range shooters ,specialist shotblockers/post defenders etc. Now everyone doing everything they not doing as great as the specialist but they're doing everything at some level. Also Today's players obsessed with stats sheet we saw so many times Russel Westbrook yelled his teammates when they took a rebound on his watch or fail to turn his pass to an assist we saw similar attidute from LeBron some time to time too. I never saw that from Magic or Bird or Jason Kidd these were kinda guys that could've end up with near triple double stats If they're more focused on that. So MJ was a scorer that runs on a strict plan. And even due to that fact he did all those versatile stats sheet. Imagine MJ being a guy like Iverson, LBJ or Harden like 18 seconds of 24 seconds ball in his hand ? 28+ 9 + 9+ 2+ 1+ on %50 FG easily But MJ didnt pick stats he picked wining. And damn he won like no one ever did. And he did some crazy stats too :D How about that. And all those stats sheet guys like LBJ, Harden, Westbrook, Doncic, Jokic never been elite defender tbh. %85 of their energy goes to offense and even under the conditions of today's meta this is the best they can do :D :D lol Old Scholl really underrated. MJ is a GOAT.

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People say LeBron is a better “all around” player than Jordan cause Jordan was mainly a scorer. No.

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Exactly!!!!! With adjustment he has almost the same stats as LBJ ...go figure. Like I said all the time equally as great

The scariest thing about this video is the fact that if Jordan was given the role of point guard... He literally becomes LeBron James 😂😂😂 This man is a chameleon! THE GOAT!!!

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Great video Jonny. 👍👍

Damnit Johnny.. I didn't want to but the Fire red 3's and now i want to. lol Anyway one thing as a fan of this game i noticed that after he took a turn as a point guard it did helps his overall game.. even at 7.3 assists for a shooting guard back than was and should be considered excellent.

He literally averaged a triple double when moved to point guard

Jordan would be in the top 3 greatest PGs of all time with Magic and Steph. And btw, it was MJ's decision to go to the point, because he wasn't happy with his teammates production.

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