Which Aptera Tier Makes the Most Sense? 

One other argument for the 1000 mile range is having a substantial amount of charge left when you get to your campsite or being able to use it as a vehicle to home emergency battery. It essentially lets you get somewhere and have plenty of battery to use for other purposes.

One thing you didn't mention is that 1000 miles of range may allow you to make a very long road trip on residential electricity at $.09/kWh instead of fast charging at $.46/kWh.

I pre-ordered the 600 mile. I live almost 45 minutes from the nearest level 2 charger, in a rural area on a bad road, that can get lots of snow in the winter. So all-wheel-drive and the off-road package, both of which reduce efficiency/mileage. I figure worst case, I’ll get 400 miles of actual range, which is good enough. 600 mile is the sweet spot for me.

The 600 mile variant is the cheapest per battery cell if you take the cost of it minus the base model and divided by range

I switched my order from the 1000 to the 600. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that even if I were to take long road trips, I would never exhaust 600 miles. Whereas I could bump up against the 400mi range on the lower model. PLUS, you should try to charge between 20-80% on these trips, so that reduces the "usable range" of the 400mi model. And lastly, I live in a northern climate with a good chunk of time under snow and cold weather and thought the 600 would handle the cold weather range loss better for my needs. When I switched my order I read somewhere that the 600s were going to be manufactured before the 1000s. I also read at that time that the 600 model had more orders than the 1000, but I may have misremembered that part. My order: 600 with full solar package, 150kw, "off road package" (to give me just that little bit of extra clearance around the tires to handle the heavy snow we can get), upgraded safety pilot and dog kit.

965 km for me. 600 miles. If I lose 20% range in the winter I'm down to 480 miles. If I'm only supposed to charge between 10% and 80 % I'll lose 30% of 480. I'll now have 144 less miles or 366 miles of range. That's about what an ICE vehicle gets.

I remember reading that they got most of their orders for 400 and 600 1000 is bragging rights and profit margins 250 is for after scaling and for an affordable EV I'd bet they'd start with 600 for margins and starting out is slower production. Then 400 when they learn how to make them more cost effective (learning from whatever mistakes made because perfect is never the first step)

I don’t think it’s about having to go 1000 miles without having to plug-in on a single trip. I think it’s more like, go visit grandma who lives 400 miles away. Visit for a couple of weeks and get back in your car that has been charging itself the whole time, drive home, you’ve still got another 600 miles to go, so you drive for a couple of weeks to work and back, and then decide maybe you should go ahead and plug-in overnight once this month.

I want a 600 mile -- not because of the single long trip capability - but because I want to get through winter. Cold, shorter days, more clouds will mean much less charging in winter. If the 600M battery is fully charged at end of October, I might get through 4 months only getting 15 miles a day of recharge, and still make it till spring without looking for a plug! The other reason is because I know there will be battery degradation. I keep vehicles for decades. Kept first vehicle for 21 years. The other two vehicles I own are 10 and 26 years old (bought new). If I get a 600 mile Aptera, it will probably still do 400 miles 25 years from now. Last new car I'll ever need. And what about the apocalypse? Check out "This is How It Ends" or "Road Warrior". Everybody is always desperate for fuel! You'll be the only person escaping in the 1000 mile Aptera!

I think 1000 is second because it just sounds awesome. It sounds cool to own the longest range EV ever built.

The problem with 400 miles is ...in reality you won't get 400 miles and over time the range will drop even further. So 600 is more like an insurance policy that you'll get at least 400 miles no matter what

I wish more people saw the 600 miles range as the sweet spot like me. That way even in cold climates it should be able to get well over 400 miles. But it’s also not overkill like the 1000 mile range model.

There’s honestly a good use case scenario for EVERY variant offered. Because of the modularity I think it might not be that big a deal to manufacture that many variants. Yet another thing that REALLY differentiates Aptera : having so MANY different range options. Many say this car is only a niche market,, but I personally think this vehicle is going to be popular way beyond current expectations, and I’m putting my money where my mouth is and have invested in every round they offered. I too ordered the 400mi version,, but am now considering adding ANOTHER pre order for the 600mi variant.

You hit on a lot of good points, but miss some use cases. Aptera's stated range is most likely a high estimate. One big point that many people consider is worst case range. Cold winter weather, night driving, accessories, lights, hills, headwinds, and less sun/solar assistance. I could probably do fine with the 250 mile model. I charge at home, and will have the full solar package, with sunny days most of the year. So I'm good. And I will likely only have a couple trips longer than 250 miles in the whole year, and those will most likely be made on a plane. But the 400 mile capable model gives me a comfortable range buffer in case I don't charge during the week and have a couple days with more driving than usual. I may never (or very rarely) use a public charger, but for some people who can't charge at home or work, they will want a bigger range buffer than I need (Hello 600 miles). Part of the popularity of the 1,000 mile capable Aptera (beyond boasting rights) could be that the buyers don't have convenient, close charging, or home charging, and they want to drive as far as they can throughout the week (or month). With fewer recharge sessions needed.

Range isn't the issue. The issue is that gas stations are in every town on every corner all over the United States. Chargers on the other hand are few and far between and mostly on interstate routes. So if you want to take back road scenic routes you need a long range ev to make it to the next charger.

The thing about the 1,000 mile version is that you have a rather large battery pack that charges off solar.......a solar generater on wheels. You can use this electric power in many ways. Charging cellphones/laptops, maybe a small one burner electric stove, or small microwave.

1000 miles would be great for Alaska or people who like to explore off road.

I can see young people, nomads and the adventure seekers opting for the 1000 miles option. I can see the appeal of (1) rarely having to plug it in (2) being able to use a standard wall outlet (3) the appeal of freedom and low expenses. I can see a long wolf or a couple friends using the Aptera with the camping package to road trip cross-country with little more than a few personal belongs and a few dollars in their pockets. They could pick up odd jobs along the way if they needed more money. Since transportation won't be a problem as long as there is free energy in the sky, they can keep the party going 🥳

Great topic, thanks. I ordered the 600 mile range. I want to relax and not have to look around for a charger on the road as often for a long trip. For regular commuting, I plan to maintain about 30-70% state of charge to be extra kind to the batteries. 600 miles gives me plenty of margin for both scenarios. I’m very curious to learn about the different cells they will use for the longest ranges they offer

I really wanted the 1000 mile range, because one thing I learned from my electric scooter, is you get less miles the faster you drive, temperature outside. Also, my family lives on the east coast, and I live on the west coast. I’ve done the road trip twice, and I spent soooo much money on gas. This would eliminate that expense entirely, and I’d only need to recharge once. My scooter is advertised to go 20 mile range, but that is on the “slow setting”, I usually go on the faster setting, and it gets about half the range. The thing is too, with all the added weight from the batteries for the 1000 miles, it may bog down the vehicle and get much less miles as advertised.

I have the 66 k battery ordered. I plan on using it for battery backup for my house. That would power my entire house for 4 days without solar. A normal battery for house is 10k. About $15,000 installed. Last I checked. A big battery system is 20k for a house. $20,000. So I will have a 66k battery for less than $40,000. That would add 700+watts to my 10,080 watts of solar already on my house. Plus have a car that I can commute to work 22 miles. For free. Can make it to my sister's house in Colorado. And drive into the mountains. Camp. And charge itself while I Camp. All for free .

The 1000 mile range does well because if someone is budgeting for a model 3 its about the same price. Also bit of a pissing contest. The 1000 has some niche use for those with absolutely no at home charging options. My poll on facebook had 271 replies and the 600 was number 2. I included "X miles but considering upgrading/downgrading" and the most non-certain replies (8% total) was all between 400 and 600. Only 5% wanted the 250 so you nailed it that its a cheap upgrade. The 400 is the answer to those that absolutely want 250 miles in real world fast driving or snowy conditions.

I think they should keep the 600 mile range because that’s the one that I was very interested in buying but being they are making the 400 mile range first that’s what changed me on the size of the battery. I just can’t wait to receive my aptera.

I ordered the 1k miles with full solar because I live in a condo which doesn't allow garage charging. So the 40 ish miles per day by solar and 1k available miles works since I cannot charge at home and must use charging stations.

I'm pretty excited about this car. It looks a little unique, but for a daily commuter it seems like a no brainer, given the cost and savings involved. Also, they seem to have the mindset that Volkswagen had decades ago: a vehicle that you will keep for a long time and can service/upgrade yourself.

The 1000 mile pack is actually the least popular, I think they said 1 or 2% of people actually selected it in their pre-order. In order of pre-order popularity it was 400, 250, 600, then 1000. It would make the most sense to drop it, except that it sounds good from a marketing viewpoint. It's a lot more expensive, will be very heavy, so performance and efficiency will be significantly less, and parts (particularly suspension) will wear out quicker. Consider it from the viewpoint of the battery size rather than the miles - 23kWh, 45kWh, 66kWh, 99kWh. I think the 45kWh and 66kWh are better value. The 99kWh seems insufficient for the claimed miles, and is also more expensive on a per kWh basis.

The biggest advantage of an Aptera over a Bolt is that it can add 200 miles of range in 24 minutes. The advantage of the 600 mile range is that you can drive for a full day on a charge under the worst conditions.

Id probably have the 250 mile varient as I don't think it's necessary for any more, especially considering you could get away with charging using a standard 240v 3 pin plug.

The Aptera is a two seater. This is a commuter/roadster. The selling point is efficiency. Why would you put a quad weight battery pack into a car that's designed for light weight and solar charging? The sweet spot is the 250 mile battery pack. The fast charge will only keep you at the charger for 15 minutes to add 100 miles of range. After 250 miles a short rest and another 100 miles before having to stop again isn't a huge problem. The fat is, I'll use my Aptera for local trips and try to never have to pull into a charger. To that end, I ordered the light battery pack. I'm happy with that decision.

I would choice and buy only the 1000 mile range version for several reasons: 1. After 5-10 years the capacity of the battery is still enough for all needs and therefore the resell value will be the same. 2. Aptera says you have "never" to charge it and that's the reason why we want this car ....! I want the biggest battery even when I don't need the car for 5 days because in this 5 days the sun can completely charge the car. 3. I can use the battery capacity also for my house. It's a perfect mobile energy source for the weekend and for off-site work where no fix electric energy is available.

I picked the 600. Makes a lot of sense in Australia, with our greater distances and not very good charging network. So I really hope they don't drop it! 1000 I think will be much heavier and take a lot of the fun out of the car.

As a trucker, before I retired, I would typically drive 11'ish hours, before shutting down on cross country runs. Once you get used to that, you don't load up on liquids and start well rested before the run, and it isn't a big deal. Los Angeles CA to Portland OR could be doable in 14 to 15 hours.

Pre-ordered 400m, that's roughly an 8 hour drive I think I figured out? The few times a year I can go longer I can afford a quick plug-in and an actual stop if it's only for two.

I have done Chicago to Atlanta , that is a over 700 miles. Of course with meal ,fuel and restroom breaks. Easier with two people. The 1000 ,no need for a recharge. 600 partial recharge , 400 one full. 250 2 full and maybe a partial. Charge times and availability of speed chargers will be key. To Gatlinburg, awesome destination walkable town, under 600 miles. Chicago to New York over 800 miles . I usually do around 600.

In terms of Aptera's production capacity then the 1000 miler makes sense. As this grows then they produce the 400 miler and then they go mass market with the 250miler. The marketing drivers are range with safety without poor performance. Go Aptera Go.

I think what makes people opt for the 400-mile range Aptera is that they are making that one first. People want the vehicle ASAP. It is honestly why I opted for the 400-mile range. The 2-seater thing I'm fine with. My current car is a Honda Fit. I love the storage it can hold, but I really don't make use of the 2nd row of seats often, being only once a year. I'm fine with a 2-seater that I'll never have to plug-in.

I was debating 400M with all the bells and whistles I wanted. Or a more barebones 600M. In the end I was leaning more towards the 600M, until the production line-up was announced with the 400M in front. Then I switched.

400 miles isn't 400 miles of range after you take a 10% hit for the 3rd motor, turn on the AC and drive it in the rain or snow at 80 mph on the highway. 400 miles will turn into 280 mph real quick with all of those factored in. 600 miles turns into 440 miles of range after the same hits. I ordered the 600 mile range version for those reasons. I am buying mine with long road trips in mind after retirement. Something to consider.

I don't think we need to get rid of any of the battery pack size variants. I'm sure Aptera is willing to build the vehicle that the customers want. I think that prioritizing the build schedule as Aptera is doing is the right way to go about production. So if your order just so happens to be in one of the odd ball groups, you'll just have to wait. However, on the plus side of things, with CPC making the structural body with exact tolerances, and everything snapping into place, the vehicle should go together very quickly. Thus we'll be able to get through the que quickly as well. I'm looking forward to it, next year is going to be an exciting year.

I went with 600 mile range because if they are like Tesla, 400 miles really means 260-300 on the highway. I also saw that their max charge speed on the 400 mile range is 50 KW and something like 70 KW for the 600 mile range. I want to be able to get across the country and only have to stop once for lunch during a 12 hour drive.

The 400 mi version is stealing many orders from the 250 and 600 because it’s first. I have heard from multiple people that changed to 400 for this reason. I preordered the 600 and if they tell me I will have to wait an extra year I will probably switch to 400. I want the 600 for road trips where I don’t have to be hyper careful about my rest room stops coinciding with a working fast charger. It’s called freedom.

How often do you do roadtrips? How long can you tolerate sitting? assuming 70 mph 1000 / 70 = 14.3 hours 600 / 70 = 8.6 hours 400 / 70 = 5.7 hours 250 / 70 = 3.6 hours

These surveys were primarily among the early-adopter / EV enthusiasts crowd. Many are probably already driving a $50k Tesla. The survey results would be different among "average" car buyers wanting a second car for daily commuting & grocery shopping. Since Aptera's solar-assist provides up to 40 miles/day of "free" propulsion, over double my daily commute, I may never have to charge it until trip time (rarely). The 250 mile range model makes sense: lighter weight, accelerates faster, handles better and a great price. I reserved the 250 mile, AWD, Full Solar, Sol White, for under $30k.

The value is in the hassle of dealing with charging. Say you live in a condo building with a parking garage with zero chargers: you want to charge up once and not worry about it for a week. It is not about a single trip. It is about time and convenience.

im more of the outliar, 250 miles of range with full solar capability. It makes sense for a 2nd car. But if it was my primary car I would do 400 miles. If it had vehiecle to grid 600 miles

This is why critical thinking is most important when combined with practical knowledge of batteries. First consider 20% of battery is off limits if care about the longevity of the batteries. This means effective range of 250 is really 200 miles. Next 400 is really 320 miles, 600 is 480 and 1000 is 800 miles. Considering the IRA purchase rebate of up too $7000.00 the 600 is now approximately $28 thousand at base price amazing IMHO best value. We shall see if the IRA will be available at production time.

A year ago, the $7,500 credit was a thing, now it may not be for this vehicle. Plop that onto the 1,000 mile vehicle and you get it for $35k. It essentially does to the 600 mi price that the 400 mi price does to the 250 mi price

Over 90% of the time, no one is riding in the back seat of my Model S. That’s why I ordered an Aptera as a second vehicle. I chose the 1000 mile version because friends, relatives, and acquaintances reject EVs claiming range is too short. Aptera will prove them wrong. Unaware they planned to launch the 400 mi battery first, I thought they would prioritize the most expensive & profitable model. Early delivery is important. An Aptera ambassador thought the 1000 mi model would be cancelled. 600 or 800 mi is a fair compromise to reduce models.

So cool Aptera offers both the cheapest ev and the longest range ev.

I ordered 1000 mile option. My thought was with the solar being kinda slow it gives me buffer zone on long trips that then let's me honestly never plug it in.

1000 mile range in the UK and you have travelled the entire country. Drivers will need a "comfort stop" at some point on that journey so the 1000 miles seems excessive. A 500 mile range for the UK market and you are set. One stop max from anywhere to anywhere with probably no stops needed on the vast majority of trips. Also, give the option to ditch the solar panels and associated electricals. They will not be much use covered in mud on a cloudy rainy summer's day in the UK, far less in winter. I guess the 600 miler is the closest we will get.

I'm for the 1000 mile range so I can get to Florida with one charge stop. Assuming highway speed will bring down the practical range to about 650 miles.

I ordered the 600 mile range

I think people should stop seeing the total potential range and instead think about what can you do with that battery capacity? A 100kWh battery could also translate into 3 weeks of no sun and still drive a 40-mile daily commute without plugging it in, if you had to. I do that now with Yaris, still have to fill an 11-gallon tank twice a month for a grand total of about 700 miles per month. In other words, debating battery analogous to debating what gas tank you want to buy. I don't think many of us ask ourselves if we're ever going to drive until the tank is empty before filling, we take all the surrounding gas station stops for granted; so why worry about battery size? Is it just the cost tier? Fine, then charge more often. That's the bottom line for battery, or if we had an option for gas tank, size. How often will you do this?

One point about the 1000miler is that it's got capacity to go through less sunny times. The "never charge" claim is based on the biggest battery - smaller capacities might need topping off in winter. As a point, I've reserved a 250mile one, with full PV, since I see it as an opportunity to do a full review of family transport needs. It'll be my daily driver, but we have an MPV for hauling all 5 of us at once. By the time mine gets built (something like #42000), I'll not need to do the "Dad's Taxi" for 2 of the kids, so 2 seats is fine. The only real question I have is: just how much of a hit will AWD or the off-road pack have on efficiency. At the moment, the 25kWh 2WD version might be the most efficient, but a 25kWh AWD may get less than 200 miles. Unless the hub motor control is very good at dishing out electrons, or even electrically disconnecting the front two when at steady speeds...

During the summer (Apr - Nov) I make a 520 mile one way 1200 rt drive at least once a month. Which makes the 600mi best choice for me. I'll only have to make one recharge stop to get there. So please don't bad mouth 600 ;-). Give me a little more ground clearance while you at it.

I originally wanted the 1000miles as this is to be my retirement car. I want to drive up to arctic; I want to drive all over south america; I want to drive mountain roads in off-the-grid areas. I don't trust that there will be regular charging options beyond regular wall outlets for very large distances. And I still want that BUT i'm not retiring for at least another 6 years. So I switched to 400miles and invested in the Accelerator Program because I want to promote Aptera and for it to succeed so badly. I want people to know about Aptera now! But when I am ready to retire, I might just sell it (hopefully it's a collectors item already) and switch to the 1000miles then and do those crazy road trips into unpopulated spaces. I think this is a very good use case for that version.

1000 miles range makes loads of sense outside EU, USA and East China, where there is zero chargers. Then you need a full day of driving cause you can only charge 230v house plug while you sleep.

If if had the 1600km range version I don't think I'd ever have to charge. I drive about 10,000km a year which averages to under 30km a day and since the panels can do 60km a day the huge battery would absorb all my bursty weekend trips to faraway places and slowly build back up during the Monday to Friday.

People want to avoid charging for as long as possible. If 1k miles of range will allow me to drive back and forth to work for 3 months and never charge ... maybe just rely on the sun to trickle charge... if I had the money I'd go for it.

I think the reason for 1,000 mile being #2 is simple. It's like you said, there are 2 types of people. 1) People who spec out the car they want and find the cheapest car that meets their specs 2) People who give themselves a budget and find the car they want most in that budget (with a little bit of reliance on features/specs, but mostly budget) I think the 1,000 mile variant fits nicely in the "new car" budget for a lot of people and that's why it's being boosted higher than you thought it would.

In warmer climates it would be good the have the lower range options in LFP chemistry. It can cope with the extra weight (or range loss) and you don't have to think about limiting SOC to 20-80%. Less likely to ignite and long cycle life. 45ish kWh LFP would be my choice if it was available.

400 miles for me is best. With full Solar I may get average of 30 miles from solar charging on sunny days. All wheel drive. With V2G or 120v outlet I can plug in my 2022 Outlander PHEV 13.8kWh GT car. Hope to get mine by the end of 2023 with Reservation #6933 but because I live Canada, may not get mine till early 2024. I can hardly wait.

Aptera is going to be an Uber/Taxi beast!

I put down my downpayment for the base model with the minimum of everything (only 23kwh battery, no self-driving, no heated seats, ect.)... with the exception that I wanted the full solar panel array. 😁 If I'm not mistaken, you can upgrade later if you like.

600 miles is about 9 to 10 hours of driving, maybe 11 hours. It depends on how many stops you do to when eating and using the restrooms. Most of the drives I do are on toll roads, and not all toll roads have chargers at the rest stops, so it is worth it to me.

I think the 1000 mile version is almost a completely different animal. Much heavier, slower, probably requiring drastic changes to the suspension. It is good for marketing purposes. Also consider that they announced the battery in the 1000 mile version will be ~95 KWH. For a much heavier car with higher rolling resistance, I think it won't be as efficient as the smaller range versions. The 1000 mile version might actually turn out to be a 900 mile version. If they put in a 110 or 120 KWH battery, then maybe they get 1000 miles.

I live in a very hot climate and will use the AC constantly. This use will probably eat into the range so a 1000 mile variant is probably going to get around 500 miles in my climate?

Because I can't get an EV charger, I'll have to trickle charge. So it's either Aptera (solar is great too), or an electric motorcycle. Two wheels scare me, and winter too.. and shorter range means quicker going through cycles. Aptera is my best option (Tesla "Model 2" second opinion, then Bolt)

I have a 600 on reservation. I started with 400 for the reasons you stated. Batteries gain power with parallelism, so the 250 would have the lowest potential performance. On balance, the car would be lighter. I have a Tesla Model Y LR. Experience shows I would like more than 300 miles of range for trips. 400, if that’s a real-world number, is a sweet-spot for cost and possibly performance. Aptera is starting production with the 400, but I am not ready for a second EV. I need another year, so I’ve signed up for the 600 to hedge my bets. There’s a good chance I’ll end up switching to 400 depending on reviews and availability.

Drew, you nailed it once again. You may have tapped into the very zeitgeist of the 1k mike psyche (scary, I know). But I believe you covered exactly what the different motivations could be on all points. (On a personal note: I identified w/ the convince rational myself in not having to think about unreliable and untrustworthy charging stations on a trip. Get me there and back. I’ll recharge when I get home.) In addition, I also agree that #Aptera Motors should reduce their models from 4 to 3 as well. When Steve Jobs came back to #Apple, his first goal was to reduce everything to 3s; 3 platforms and 3 models in ea. platform; fast > faster > fastest. Done. (There was no “faster-er” model between faster and fastest- which is kinda what the 600 mile range #Aptera is, right?) Besides, if 3 options was enough for a naive lil’ golden hair girl to make a decision while breaking-and-entering and survive to the end of the story, then it’s good enough for the rest of us “smart shoppers”. Beyond 3 options, Jobs argued, you’re actually communicating to your customer base that you’re unsure and not confident in your other existing products, i.e. that the other 3 are lacking something. (Which, in fact is almost always true, but never ever communicate that to the very people you are trying to convince to be your product.) So well done on helping #Aptera show more confidence in their best 3 trim models- although their marketing dept. may still have some work to do w/ the nomenclature. (I’m pretty sure “cheapest”, “practical”, and “insane”… although memorable and head turning for sure, may not be the PR results they’re looking for- as clear and straight forward as those labels are. Ha!.) Always informative and delightful. Keep up the great work.

I am currently in the 400 mile Launch Edition but am thinking of switching to the 600 mile version. I just drove close to 600 miles the other day and it would be great if I only need to charge at the end of the day.

If you opt for the 400 mile range Aptera because you figure that you will have to stop within 400 miles anyway you are missing one major factor. On an all day trip you will have to stop and charge at higher daily charging rates which are often double (that's my experience with about 60% of Tesla chargers which we hope will be opening for other brands like Aptera). If you can drive to your destination you can either charge for free at the hotel or at the cheaper evening rates. So I definitely want the 600 mile range Aptera. For my thoughts the 1000 mile range is overkill so it would be better to drop the 1000 mile range as the battery is a tight fit and replace it with an 800 mile range version, still far exceeding any other vehicle. Most other compact longer range EV's have 80kWH batteries and 80 kWh would fit the Aptera body much better. Currently 800 miles is the one glaring hole in the range. Since the Aptera is all about economy why buy a vehicle which forces you into expensive daytime charging when evening charging or overnight charging is so much cheaper or free.

I just switched to the 600 mile range. I am an accelerator so I am happy to get mine right at the start of the 600 mile production run. Who knows, maybe OpenPilot will be ready and/or in hub motors may be in by then.

also a 2nd row It would be great for uber driving if you get the 1,000 mile version. Long trips would be a added benifit, if only if they partnered with tesla with fsd.

The thought is ...I drive 60 miles a day to work and back . I just want to park it in the sun and not think about charging ever again. It is not about road trips!

Maybe 400 mile is most popular because it is the 1st to be built. It made my mind up for me.

Honestly, they need to take the extra space and weight that would be added in designing for the 600 and 1000mi variants, and find a way to translate that into whatever range you could get out of cheaper, safer LFP batteries instead of regular lithium ion. Chinese EV manufacturers are already doing this, most customers prefer it. The range is lower for the weight of the battery, but if they're factoring in the weight of 100kwh of lithium ion, I can imagine it'd be possible to get at least 250 or 300 miles out of that same weight in a LFP battery, and the car would be overall cheaper and easier to source.

When looking at range you need to address where you live and where your driving. If in city flat ground you will most likely get the miles but when in the mountains you will mostly Not get the expected range ie.. 400 mile range but you get 300 due to the hills and energy need to reach your destination..

It would be great if the system was modular enough that you could upgrade your car with more battery packs, like if there was an open bay and a plug ready for it. Or, that when there was a crashed one that other owners could use those packs to extend the range of their car. Most of your talking in this video is assuming people get in and go on a road trip, where as for me, I haven't been 125 miles from home in probably 3 years. I think the 600 mile and 1000 mile cars are mostly for people that live in apartments or just don't want to worry about charging every night. If you have sun you may never need to charge it, or maybe you could charge it once biweekly or monthly. Who really wants to ever have to stop and charge while out away from home if you don't have to?

I think it’s the people in cold climates. The range drops in half in the winter.

Not sure about the design, I wonder how prone the rear will be to damage in parking lots. For example car door hits and shopping trolleys.

Yeah I am going with the 250, I figure the DC fast charging even at 50KW will be much faster with the smaller battery. Yes I'll have to charge more but 250 is plenty for me and my gf before we need to stop. Plus, I think about it this way full solar package, lighter weight on the 250, means it may eek out just a few more miles out of the solar panels and I can always carry a 2KW Bluetti power bank.... I think it's cool this car is so efficient that you can use a small battery backup system like a jerry can and that system can have it's own solar panel setup.

How is Winter traction on three wheels?

Does anybody know the crash rating of any reverse tricycle? After watching so much Wham Bam Tesla CAM I wonder how the Aptera side impact crash tests show.

I'd want 600 miles because if I'm buying the most efficient EV out there I want it to go further than any other EV 😂 Also I could see myself drive 400 miles in the span of a weekend, 600 miles is much less likely.

1000 miles - I am willing to pay to have the suspension redone when needed for the convenience of less charges. Less charges then the battery lasts longer also. The extra weight on the road would insure more comfortable/better long trips.

What ever range you pick look at it as half. Half the miles to get there half to get home

The problem that no one is talking about the ratings are with ideal conditions and not riding the battery to hard which the real range with real conditions are cut by half the range.

I think the main reason I personally would ever consider an aptera is the range

No, it's mostly because that's the size Aptera said they will build first. I would switch to 250 or 600 if Aptera said they would built those first.

I don't need 1,000 miles, but I would like 400 or 600 miles. I drive home a lot every month to visit family. For about 200 miles, there's no 3rd party DC fast chargers (EA, EVgo, etc.). Unless this vehicle uses the Supercharger network I'll opt in for the 400 or 600 mile variant.

I swear this exact design was gas powered option back in 2008 or so. Was claiming 100mpg or something. It never came to fruition. Not sure if same brand or this company bought that brand? I think it may have been the Aptera type 1 wikipedia talks about.

"probably less likely to combust" LOL keep up the Aptera content! Personally I just can't see road-tripping this car anyway so I went 400 just because it seems like the best value. If I had to choose a second option, I would choose the 250 because I'm never going to drive it that far anyway. Let's face it, this is a good second or third car, not a main car.

I ordered the 250ml and price had nothing to do with my choice l very rarely take trips longer than 150ml. I live in new England lots of up and downs. The 250ml is about 10 percent more efficient than the 400ml and 30 percent more than 1000ml if l lived in the mid west where it is less hilly with no ev charging for hundreds of miles. I would need a big battery. But if you don’t make trips longer than 150ml I hope you will consider the 250ml

Hi, Mr T I like all solar powered ev's what ever option is easiest to manufacture so we can get these efficient areo dynamic ev's on the road quickly!🌎

I was initially interested in the 400 miles basic, but honestly I would rather have 250 miles of range and the AWD 3.5s 0-60, driver assistance and audio improvements. All solar of course.

The 1000 mile models should be called Texas models. Texas is 773 miles wide and 801 miles North to South. On my last trip to Colorado, it was 787 miles, just to get out of Texas into New Mexico.

I preordered a 1000 miles model because I will drive the Aptera in Germany and Europe! That means the real range is 700 miles in summer and 600 miles in winter! For real German speed around 150 km|h the range will be real max 500 miles

Technically it's 250+30ish, 400+30ish, 600+30ish, etc. The solar topping you off a bit each day changes the math a bit. 600 makes sense to me, but I could make do with the 400. I might change to the 600 or 1000 if I want to delay my purchase and if they change battery formulation