Which Champion of Chaos is the Most Powerful? | Warhammer 40k Lore 

It does a bit boxy indeed but still better than getting that noise reduction too far, in the past I used to struggle with voice on your vids in public spaces on my headphones.

get it? hell?! like, the warp? like, warp god?! like, CHAOS GOD?! LIKE, CHAOS GODS GREATEST CHAMPIONS VS EACH OTHER?!!??! (im going fucking insane and I dont know if it feels good or bad)

Video idea what if the emperor of mankind wanted to be worshipped as a God

I like Lucius the Eternal and it will be funny if he somehow return to action and sodomise Kharn or other Chaos champion.

But more light on your left... Need to even it out a bit. BTW long time fan from Las Vegas. Keep up the great work you Aussie Dingus

Ahriman just makes the Rubrics emphatically enact his death: 'Scream in terror for me ruuuubriiiiccs!'

But does he have his library card?@@koolunit

@@alexandermackie7621 bro yes! Hope he doesnt get in after all this time, with Magnus being there with Karstodes..

Same, same. Here's to hoping that 'grot in a bag' of a god manages to keep him out for longer.@@koolunit

It's been revoked for obvious reasons@@alexandermackie7621

He is just overpowered on his own cause he is actually smart

Tbf he gets into the least amount of fights and he has the best skills to be able to just escape them, if any of the other 3 are overwhelmed they don't have much of an option besides to keep fighting

my knowledge is my power Ahzek Ahriman

Kharn won’t brutalize you, Ahriman will just use you, hopefully you survive but at the end of the day he doesn’t really give a shit.

Helluva guy that Kharn!

Ahriman's that one 'distinguished' uncle who owns a shit ton of property Kharns' the fun uncle who lets you build DIY firweorks then explode them

The other two went out of their way to be right dickheads, Khârn and Ahriman kind of lost themselves to it over time and desperation.

@Phendranaguardian Fabius submitting to Slaanesh is improbable as he is a man of science. If only they had gone with someone like Julius Kaesoron Or Eidolon from the get go.

😂 they are the big daddy tools that get unleashed ...but the champions the most entertaining, or in alignment with their deity. XD Slaanesh might want a do over tho, because Lucius is a punk compared to the rest.

As the man says, what’s the use of a primarch as a champion if they can’t be in the mortal realm at all times. Gotta be there to be used lol Edit: though now they’re part of the greater game between themes and ideas so…eh I’m sure to them it’s the same thing on a different scale

@@TheFatalcrest He's trying but fabulous Bile keeps send her/he/it a restraining order

@@lokensicarius9347 xD just constantly left on read and wonders if Fabius forgot to save their phone number

They can't be right, because they're not mortals? Most alive traitor primarchs are also demon princes- who are not mortal

Yeah Ahriman is crazy op, I remember a story of a sorcerer coming after Ahriman and when he finally gets to him Ahriman just thanos snaps him and moves on. Scary.

@@dr.stronk9857that was Amon, correct?

Isn't Kharn immune to phykers?

​Or when Amon sent 2 sorcerers to bring Ahriman to him when he was hiding with some loose warband chais group under a different name and whne the other Tson's find him he just bodies the entire room to escape it. Ahriman is badass. ​@@dr.stronk9857

@@louisnall3102 No I think he is referring to tolbek, ahriman literally just steps on his chest and thanos snaps him out of existence while doing it to everyone else in the room other than maroth who he mind fucks in the background. Ahriman had "somewhat" a hard time fighting amon, but considering ahriman was literally wearing nothing but a robe while fighting amon who was in full power armor I guess technically yea he snapped him out of existence as well.

Ahriman would win but not without Tzeentch giving him the greatest humiliation of his life: Tzeentch helping him.

Kharn is immune to magic Ahriman has a Bolt Pistol

@@christiandauz3742I’m not sure if he’s totally immune or just highly resistant, but I mean, if you throw a rock at the speed of light with magic, that’s still under the effects of real world physics lol not like if you just hit them with magic

​@@christiandauz3742 He's not fully immune to psychic attacks, it's just he's very resilient / nullify a lot of lower tier psykers power when they are targetting him specifically. It's not an aura like the blanks, it doesn't affect terrain, allies or anything beside his body and mind This means 2 things : 1) With enough raw power, his protection can be of no effect / reduced effect. Even if you don't agree with this, if you can argue Kharn is Khorn favorite and is protected against all psykers, I can argue Ahriman is Tzeentch favorite and so can be so powerfull he can match Kharn protection to a degree where it's not immunity anymore Kharn is not a blank, his psychic protection is by nature psychic too (i.e granted by a psychic entity from the immaterium). His soul still has a trace in the Warp, he's stil vulnerable to psychics 2) With telekinesis, Ahriman can throw anything at Kharn and do substantial damages ; Ahriman can also protect himself indefinitely since Khorn blessing only protects Kharn from psychic attacks directed at him ; finally he can alter terrain around Kharn Now, if Ahriman or Kharn would win in a fight, I don't know. But it certainly is not as simple as plain magic immunity rendring Ahriman (or any other psyker) powerless, just much less of a threat even on a high power level psyker

Khan is immune to magic, Ahriman sees him coming four days early and plants a nuke, or blows the airlock into the void, or summons a thousand warp daemons, or just walks out of eyeline, etcetc.... Brains beat brown.

How'd he manage that?

@@nowanimportant8887 in “Ahriman: the first Prince” when be’lakor was gonna take the thousand son (Ctesias) away- we see this conversation in a mental space, so not in the physical world. Ahriman enters the conversation and tries to stop it, Be’lakor, knowing how important ahriman is, tries to persuade him to join forces, and give allegiance to Be’lakor- he does this through various visions and sophistry. Meanwhile Ahriman and quite a few other thousand sons are doing a ritual in the physical world to basically trap Be’lakor using Ctesias as an anchor. Ahriman then says to let Ctesias go, leave us alone and answer a question. Be’lakor begrudgingly agrees, as ahriman could, with the help of the other sorcerers there and dire cost to all involved, bind be'lakor to ctesias and trap him.

@@kelakogreenaddict1888 Damn, threatening to trap the first Daemon Prince to keep one of his brothers from falling is really cool.

YES PLEASE

Noise Marines would have an edge - how are you supposed to dodge or block constant waves of destructive sound?

@@indrickboreale7381 I feel similar about plague marines. Bits I've read about regular humans dealing with them are completely horrifying, just a massive aura of miasma that makes you retch and feel like you're bleeding from every orifice. But I think noise marines are also horrifying

Noise marines because things must always be loud. The song is eternal and everything is part of the song

Have you read the Gaunt series, perchance?@@erathorsmash6941

Raven Guard was my favourite legion so knowing an awesome swordsman was out there clapping cheeks was great

True and that would be pretty cool to see in animation

It wasnt a draw, Typhus lost to the captain and was forced to retreat from the Ultramarine star fortress

@@redcellmission6841 I only say draw because we really don’t see either doing all too much, the captain didn’t prock the aegis much, nor did typhus from a psyched standpoint, he’s also a Great crusade era first captain, I don’t doubt he probably wins in a to the death scenario due to his prowess and experience but it would be close I think. Imo at least.

That book series any good ?

@@dwaynehicks6838 hard to say for some, but me personally I enjoyed it, lots of chaos shenanigans, nurgle demons are written with a lot of joy, believe it or not there’s not that much ultramarine content as it’s focused a lot of the primaris, nova marines, and guilliman himself still battling a lot of trauma.

​@@redcellmission6841grey knights and their plot armour, no way a captain beats the strongest champion of Nurgle.

Ahriman kills Lucious. Lucious takes over Ahriman. Tcheench and Slaanesh go to court over custody.

i think that the other 3 champions have killed so much shit to the point that they won't get satisfaction from killing Lucius. Kharn would probably when he was still "normal" but the guy has since turned to the very definition of "killing machine" that the only thing that could satisfy him is killing the biggest psychers out there like Magnus and the Emperor

@@Shadowheart181 hey Kitten played a card game for custody of Magnus so why not?

Tbh kharn is probably maybe the strongest with ethier Ahriman or typhus being close second

Lucius is hard countered by just locking him In a stasis vault.

Bravo👏👏👏👏

Are you saying gulliman is Julius Caesar/Augustus/Trajan getting another chance at playing intergalactic Rome 😂 I’m so down with that idea

@usurparemagnus Not only that. G-man the Roman Archetype. Sanguinius is the Vampire (Dracula/Alucard). Russ if the Beowulf archetype. The Lion is the Arthurian archetype. Vulkan is the Promethius archetype. Angron is the Templar Crusader archetype. Alpharius/Omegon were the Faceless Doppleganger. Etc etc etc. They all have a source material in the psyches of man, and those legends created the warp presences that the Emperor used.

I very much like this headcannon, bravo brother.

Thats actually the best theory Ive ever heard

Logar would be the "pope" of imperium.

Lorgars wet dream

We don't talk about "the plan". The Inquisitor will see you soon.

And then Lorgar leaves Chaos to finally be able to properly worship the Emperor.

Hell yeah man!!

The lion would probably behead him

@@blackrose_221 Guilliman would want to that himself but probably couldn't

@@blackrose_221unless the emperor appears to him and tells him not to do it

Imagine the Blood Ravens break into Solomence to steal, find clonegrim and then sell him to the Loyalist Emperor’s Children Successors for artifacts. (The Sons of the Phoenix aren’t slick I mean come on)

i mean i wouldnt doubt it the big e would prob take all the help he could get for his sons even a clone who wants to be loyal is still a helpful tool @@C1umsyJester

His feats are crazy. I don't really see anyone beating him.

Alpha Legion pretending to be Ravenguard attacking Nightlords while also pretending to be Nightlords and attacking Alpha Legion while also pretending to be Alpha Legion to attack Alpha Legion.

Probably Raven Guard. They would be the most pragmatic about it.

The Alpha Legion would hurt themselves from trying to act smart, the Nightlords are all insane, Raven Guard would actually be coordinated and adapt to changing tactics.

“COME DOWN HERE AND FIGHT ME!” “Come up and make me skull boy.”

The lion since at the time they had a very wide arsenal during the heresy. Straight up illegal stuff. But in a duel my money is on sangy

@@icebreaker5138 Is it tho? Is your money on Sangy? Because I would put my money on the Lion for sure. He beat Angron as an old man. He beat Curze after Sangy let him flee because they could not land a hit on each other due to their foresight gift. Horus was uncomfortable around the Lion during the Great Crusade. The Lion has 1v1 fighting warp hack powers.

⁠@@MrFallenoneHorus was outright fearful of sanguinius. And sang has the best 1v1 record of pretty much anyone except the emperor. Also demon angron is basically a jobber To add: leman thought the only two primarchs he might have trouble with were Horus and sanguinius, so there’s that

@@eeyun5279 I am not sure, but I think that Angron was even more empowered by Khorne during his duel with Lion, so it should be taken into account

@@MrFallenoneAll true but isnt it confirmed in the latest book that Sanguinius is the strongest primarch in combat ? (Duels and battles)

Goge Vandire's Reign of Blood was kinda

The Mechanicus had a civil war in M35.

Kronus Crusade and Kauravan Crusade (From Dawn of War games, which are canon and so are Blood Ravens), where Space Marines, Sisters of Battle (Kaurava system only) and Imperial Guard fought against each other its stupid, but not as suprising in 40k universe where conflicting orders and internal strife and corruption is omnipresent

@@mrvex6695I replayed dow 1 recently as space marines and when I faced imperial guard and sisters I was like “wait… arent we supposed to be together ?” Just typical warhammer stuff lmao

Don’t forget the months of shame

I don’t think it would work. Khorne’s blessing don’t just protect spell cast against you, they also stop magic around you generally, to keep your fights fair. So I think any magic against him just wouldn’t work.

@@Tortle-Man in this fight no one have their god to give them extra protection what mean to Kharn will still resist but it will still be affected just less than others and the envirement around him will not be protected.

@@Tortle-Manis there any evidence that magic around Kharn doesn’t work? Flesh hounds’ being immune to psychic powers only happens on contacts, as the psychic power just gets siphoned off into the warp (happens in the ahriman omnibus)

It was him and kairos tbf

Isn't that not slannesh in a nutshell

True, by giving the writters a guy that can be "killed at will" they make him look weak. On top of this, in the tabletop game he never was quite optimal as a model. Yet, once you read the books (especially in40k), you realize how insane Lucius is. There are some fucked up situations in wich the CSM are like "omg we can't win this !Oh...wait ! Lucius has his sword, let's charge this fortress ! we are 11+Lucius, we like those odds."

Eh, I don't think anynone in the setting besides a Primarch and a couple of Custodians can win against Kharn in melee. The man could tear a hive tyrant to pieces in less than a minute

@@claytonthegrubkiller6430 Well, Sigismund managed to do it. Therefore Sevatar would have had a chance to beat him too. Abaddon could, most certainly, beat him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marneus Calgar beat Khârn, since he gave Abaddon some hard time. I wouldn't even be surprised to have some Blood Angels or Space wolves able to do the same. Nassir Amit fought in a Sanguis Extremis dual against Kharn, and it was a draw. I won't mention Valdor for obvious reasons but I'm pretty sure that more than a couple of Custodes would have a decent chance. Sadly Hive tyrants are somewhat like the Avatar of Khaine on that matter, they are terrifying, indeed. Yet almost every character managed to beat one or the other at some point. The autors don't give them justice. And remember, even in the books, we know that these 4 champions are monsters, blessed by the four and famous. Yet they might not even be the best chaos champions. (except Typhus for Nurgle since he is his official Herald, even Mortarion can't really command him.) Khârn is a beast, yes, among the bests, true.But don't overestimate the guy too much. I maintain : Lucius have a decent chance to win against Khârn. Lucius have basically spent the last 10k years almost exclusively chasing the most powerfull opponents he could find like a maniac, while Khârn jumped from a battlefield to another. Should they meet in a dual, I seriously doubt the fight would be as one sided as you suggest.

Man, I always forget about the centurion armor class.

Agreed

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