WHICH SHOULD YOU BUY? - Fanatec CSL DD vs Podium DD1 & DD2 

I'm in the same boat now too. Cancel csl for a podium

I'm doing the same but instead for the Simagic Alpha Mini

Same boat. Just spent $1800 on a dd1 bundle cause half of Fanatec’s website inventory has been “available for preorder” for months it seems with a “availability date” of 2 months from now mind you. No thanks. I wanted the csl dd but the wait became tiresome. I bought the v3 inverted’s a while back and have been throughly impressed with them.

@Max thats a good point but force doesn’t equal detail once you get over a certain point

@@danielsoto_torontoI want to have the feel of modern sports cars and f1 cars, I get that power steering plays a factor but how much NM do those type of cars feel like?

@@zemmig modern cars dont have a high power steering but it is true than a better more powerful base will aid when going over kerbs and giving a broader spectrum between small and big details

@@danielsoto_toronto Im buying the dd2 then

Hey mate. Yeah as know I’m not a fan of the connection either. If it’s a determining factor I’d suggest tethering the cable to your wheel deck as a strain relief so worst case the cable breaks and not the connector. Then it’s not such a worry.

@@boostedmediaclips6894 that's actually what I ended up doing. I sold my DD1, figured if my CSL DD breaks I'll move on to A Simagic alpha or mini. Really digging Simagic offerings.

@@DouglasThompson I think simucube is the best option mate, except if its too expensive which for you i dont think it is since you had DD1 :P(Btw i like your content alot keep it up!)

@@Chris_Vasileiou I ended up selling my DD1 as I am VERY happy with my CSL DD thus far! :) I like how light and compact it is.

@@Chris_Vasileiou Also Thank you! ;)

so logitech nails it with 11nm of torque for a mass market entry level dd rig setup

@@patthonsirilim5739 Exactly.

Yes. That is a good point. While DD1 and DD2 come with extra dynamic range, as per the video, since all other factors are similar, the price jump is too steep. The only thing now we have to figure out is the reviews from people who get the CSL DD starting September and whether they feel the same way as these pieces that were sent out for review and whether the quality can be maintained in actual mass production.

Then there is the added cost for a mounting solution. I am sure, while 8 nM range may pass a big, sturdy desk (so only they have the table clamp), Anything bigger, especially something like DD1, DD2 definitely need a proper rig, hence you don t have the flexibility and size advantage. I mean those are some of the major factors for even medium level enthusiasts.

They are also forgetting THE DD1 QND DD2 AT LAUNCH DIDNT HAVE THE DRTIAL IT HAS NOW. I'm sry I ahd to say that anybody remember how long it took to get rhe dd1 and dd2 to feel like they do every comapriosn said it almost felt the same as the cswv2.5 so imo for the csl elite dd to come anywhere close to the dd1 and dd2 at launch is absolutely huge overtime the drivers will get better for it detial will get better everything will be brought to life not 1 base has fnastec ever released that doesn't need work this is gonna be the ssme but to hesr from them how good it is our of the gate is huge yet they are forgetting how disappointed everyone was at launch of the dd1 and dd2 yet they seem to think it's the dynamic range of the csl elite dd which I completely disagree with just give it time wait for new drivers to come out people sre gonna be shocked the onyl thing this is missing is the extra torque which most don't use anyways and yeah this thing is gonna be an 8nm beast also keep in mind those drivers made more power on the dd1 and dd2 come out this is beta drivers in this thing and isn't even launched yet and somehow still came close to the dd1 why they aren't talking about it in that way I have a theory because they don't want people to not think it isn't worth getting there wheels but tbh its wierd wills buddy said he does think you get those little notes until liek 15nm then will agreed with him yet will already said he keeps his in the range of 10nm so see not far off he's making it out like oh yeah you need more then that yet he doesn't use that lol this should of been an overview of a base that hasn't even shipped or anything of what could get better not flat out oh well it's good but doesn't do this or that sure but ther is a possibility of it doing it later they should of said but we don't knwo hwo it will perform with drivers overtime as the dd1 and dd2 changed in such a huge way with them so yeah should be looked at as glass half full not half empty imo a wheel base from fanatec working on beta drivers and months away from shipping dates to get that wheel to come close to the dd1 and dd2 is a huge feat that's how it should of been talked about they will be very surprised a yesr doen the road like the dd1 and dd2 with how good it will feel who knows how ideally detailed they can grt it first it isn't the same motor or anything so tbey can do different things with it so let's just see what happens lol I'll leave it at this think about what they pulled out of a belt driven wheel yesh they can pull a shit ton out of an 8nm dd and I think people will be shocked I have a feeling it's gonna be better then will even thinks

Sry about the punctuation on I'm a small Phone and my hands have issue with it and it's kind of messed up haha

5 even without boost kit.

DD1 is perfect for me, I will never use more the 50% on DD1....won't feel the difference, just the price is different

Its a broad range. Modern cars feels very easy because the of power steering. You virtually only tell the steering what to do with very less force. Classic cars or high downforce racing cars needs a lot of work. Their steering forces spikes up to 30Nm.

You have to take this with a grain of salt. It’s very much relative, as will and Tom have experienced Fanatec’s flagship bases and comparing to an entry level dd. CSL dd will be a very capable piece of hardware for those upgrading, even for csw v2.5 users

@@rich2579 I used to have a csw v2.5 and now upgraded to a dd1 - it's not a huge difference, so if this is even better than a v2.5, it's probably the best choice

Modern road sports cars 8-12nm on track leman pro type and gt3 gte race cars 15-18nm open wheel formula cars like f1-f3 20-25nm give or take of course those are holding torque peak can be much higher but there a reason why top of the line dd wheelbase output 20-25nm level of torque it’s to give that dynamic range that cover all discipline or racing realistically.

just get a t300, it has way more ffb than g29. I wouldn't even say g29 had 2.5nm Can't feel that through the wheel.

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j 2.1nm to be precise and its geared driven so its not the smoothest 2.1nm.

This is pretty much it fanatic podium will consistently comes out with drivers to update its ffb the thing about the direct drive is that it’s a hardware thing the motor is the heart of the wheelbase with 20/25nm depending on the variant is more then enough in fact most of the time people turn the ffb down.

very good point. i have the same issue. would be good to get some realistic settings for different types of cars

@@surryp5076 Since posting, I now have some experiecne with a DD Pro (8nm) When setup 'correctly', I would say that the DD Pro can give the sort of steering weight that you will find in a typical everyday road car. In the Elise the steering is heavier during low speed manourves (< 10mph), but then lightens up when driving at typical (legal) road speeds. The DD Pro maybe can't relicate the weight of the low speed manouvres, but is more than enough to simulate the weight during normal driving. I would say the DD Pro can simulate the weight in the Fiesta & Transit too, including most low speed manourves too. I've never driven a race GT3/4 car, or open wheel race car in the real world, so I have nothing to judge by, but i suspect the steering weights of race cars is heavier than everyday road cars. This is where I think the DD Pro might not be able to achieve the sorts of steering weights that some users might want. Having said that, after an hour or so on ACC, I can feel that my shoulders have had a bit of a workout with the DD Pro as it is, so I don't think I persoanlly would want that much more than the DD Pro is giving. My cousin has recently got a DD1, so i am curious to try that out though & compare with the DD Pro. I am the sort of person who prefers to buy right once rather than buy entry level & then have to upgrade later, so i am curious if I will regret not going for the DD1, but when i think about the cost delta between the DD Pro vs DD1 AND the fact that the DD Pro covers PC, Xbox & PS - while the base DD1 only does the PC & xbox , & that the DD Pro feels 'heavy' enough for me as it is, I feel quite pleased that i did not go for the DD1 currently. It's important to setup the Force Feedback 'correctly' in game though. In AC each car has FFB 'multiplier' - the default is set to 100%, but I think this too light for some cars .I watched a youtube video about FFB set up & it advised, after setting up the FFB in the fanatec app, to go into AC, drive around a circuit like Brands Hatch Indy & use the dip just after corner one (Paddock hill bend) & watch the FFB meter - it should just momentary clip in the compression at the bottom of the hill/end of corner one. you have to setup & save for each new car you drive. on some cars i am up to ~180%. Setting up like this means you are using the full range of the FFB I believe. some cars at the default setting feel too light, but weight up nicely as you increase the percentage. No idea if this is a 'perfect' setup, but for a starting point for me, it seems to be reasonable. I'm sure others will post telling me I'm doing it all wrong though, I'm learning, I don't know it all ;-) Hope this helps.

@@TheLDunn1if you ever try out a dd1 or dd2 please let me know what you think about it

of course, the CSL DD will clip in many turns in Nordschleife....the dynamic range of the DD1 is perfect to feel 99% of every turn.

@@kolysion164 😏

if your coming from a g27 the dd pro 8nm is 4x more powerfull with the fideality of a dd drive its night and day to the g series logitech far more then it to the dd1 the poduim unit is very similar and i own one im not gonna lie for 90 percent of the race its pretty similar on power steering assited road cars its only when your start playing with race cars and open wheel cars you somtime experince forces wheree the dd1 shine it will be able to hit peak forces the dd pro could not and that just adds into the imersion it really fills the final 10 perent and when your drive open wheel cars like formula cars that have very high steering forces the poduim shines.

Because it's night and day. Ever used a crap wheel like a Logitech G920, G27, G29 etc.? Going to 2.5 or a DD1 is like "Where the F*** have you been all my life?". It's Incredible no matter what you chose. Basically, if you can afford it, get it, it won't matter, Seriously.

@@dukedelacroix5045 I preordered the DD and I currently run a replaced wheel g920 and I already know it's going to be a huge difference, and in my case extra nm past 8 shouldn't matter, I wouldn't know what I'm missing anyway.

V2 is

And? Did it become obsolete? Im thinking about purchasing a dd1 or dd2, but Imm doubtful since there are more dd wheel bases from other brands such as thrustmaster

I can’t comment on the CSL DD QR because the one I have is not final. I’d choose this with the boost kit over a simagic M10. Simagic’s software and the motor used are inferior in my opinion.

@@boostedmediaclips6894 thank you

@dragonByte79 if you want to use Fanatec DD with Pc, Ps, and Xbox you will need to buy the bundled DD1for PS . Don’t buy Dd1 wheel base only …it will only work with pc and Xbox. The one which comes with the blue driving wheel. You will then need to buy an Xbox compatible wheel. When you drive on Xbox . You change the blue ps wheel for the Xbox wheel. For Pc you can use either ps wheel or Xbox wheel. If you need further clarification do not hesitate to ask. Hope it helps .

​@@askpastordaveuk1592hey, thank you so much. I already ordered a GT DD Pro Premium Bundle. I ordered it now with a handbrake and a shifter. That is much cheaper otherwise I had to pay more than 2000 Euros for that setup. I think it is good enough for me.

I think one would be better off with a DD pro + a motion platform instead of just podium DD if you want full immersion (feedback from just thru the hands is not that engaging). Then again we are looking at $$$ for such a setup

Its a big jump. DD1 will need a proper mounting solution. For all those with G920, CSL DD should be plenty, unless you are sure that you are hardcore, want to get a proper rig, and very good quality Load Cell pedals, then only DD1 makes sense. Pedals before wheel is what everyone says.. when thinking of upgrading.

@@abhishekab1 i have a gt omega prime cockpit. and just upgraded my pedals to the clubsport v3's. i decided that the csl dd was gonna be plenty stong for me so i put in a pre order for the 8 nm version. and saved me like 700 ish dollars. thanks for the great feedback sorry it to so long to reply i never seen the notifacation

@@bobclavi 👍

@@bobclavi Good choice, are you happy with it? I have my eyes on this model myself.

@@messiahshow I actually really like the setup. My only complaint is my pedals. Wish I would have got the cheaper ones as the brake even with soft bushings is for me to hard

I've already proposed this idea to one of the YT content creators, lets face it, al of a sudden you jump from 90W to 180W with no adverse effects !!!! so why not try adding another 90W ? It has already been confirmed that the DD unit barely gets warm even with the 180W boost pack !

@@d3v1ls51 tried anything yet?

So should I upgrade my t80 for the csl dd? The spring return is pretty realistic, but hard to feel what the car is trying to tell me in the corners. Its easy to see big oversteers and react a second later tho!

@@Scholzey, well, your wheel has no force feedback and a bungee cord system, so, if you do plan to upgrade to a CSL DD, then you’ll be in another realm of immersion. That being said, you even have a choice of a G29 to other Thrustmaster wheels, like a T150, T300 or even a TS-PC. Choose wisely and see what fits your budget and use case. Sim racing is expensive, so, try to not overspend and research well. Good luck!

No car feels like a dd1 at max torque. Unless it's an old Mercedes from the 80s with no power steering and 2 flat tyres. So impressive and immersive 😆 🤣 😂

@@Unstable__Dad dont mind him. He just wants to justify his purchase 😏 hahahaha

my exact thought the csl dd pro feels kind of realish but lack that peak torque that sometime comes out of nowhere on a real car but the dd1 poduim now that thing is just legit real car levels of forces

i tried the csl dd pro (8nm) and i own a dd1 f1 ps4/ps5 its very similar to be brutally honest about 80 percent of the time but you really notice the dd1 when your car starts acting up and fights back or when your hit a curb and lose grip and then regain it the peak forces deliverd really emphasis to what actully happan on track the dd1 really makes it feel very real and scary to lose control or oversteer out its very powerfull its not so much the forces but the ability to deliver quick and devstating forces acording the rapidily changing situation that just adds into the imersion of the gameplay the csl dd could never have on the edge like a dd pro its gives your realish sense of car while the poduim gives your the dynamic range to be able to tailor the feel to macth the real deal.

@@patthonsirilim5739 thanks for the explanation. I ended up getting the podium/ dd1. very very awesome indeed. Just need to get the settings correct now.. :).

Don't ask silly questions.

If you want to get into sim racing, there’re cheaper entry points. Also, if experimentation boats your float, then, by all means, buy a G25 or G27 used and play some FIFA.

You can play dark souls with it tho

Get a Logitech g29 or if you can swing it get a t300rs with 3tpa pedals it’s more powerful smoother and at least have enough torque to be able to drift like a real car big ticket dd wheelbase are really for sim racer who wants ultimate immersion that mimics a car or can be setup identically to a real car some of them have so much torque they come with emergency kill switch and can give your wrist and finger fracture and strain in a crash

Yes we know the price, it’s a 130$ upgrade. Costly for a power supply upgrade. Still very cheap for a 8nm dd wheel base.

Me too, I operate my Load Cell pedals at max 20Kg, that too hurts my knees :). Besides, anything greater than 8nm will need a proper mounting solution. Those who have rigs are fine of course.

I mean, you can run a DD1 with a lower torque output, but, you probably want a wallet… and a home, so, yeah.

@@abhishekab1 A 20KG loadcell should *not* hurt your knees unless you're sitting in a totally bad position or have something really wrong with your knees

@@Sithhy Yeah I agree. I use it on my desk and it's not very stable. I have to work on either getting a rig or making this setup more sturdier

@@Sithhy 100%. You're going to weigh more than 40Kg usually so your knees should be able to handle 20Kg of force each. Hell, even 40Kg per leg is fine unless he's disabled maybe?

Rude

@@FEVB also true.