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Who killed Lostbelt Uther? 

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@doriankromer168
@doriankromer168 8 месяцев назад
I feel like the most likely thing was something like with melusine and the mirror clan. She said something like “I wish someone would get rid of that upstart human king” and some random fairy that overheard her took things into their own hand to please her. A “will someone rid me of that turbulent priest” situation.
@CrazyYurie
@CrazyYurie 8 месяцев назад
This is entirely possible. :o
@kylepessell1350
@kylepessell1350 8 месяцев назад
It's also possible that Oberon had an in-direct hand in it. After all, Aurora wouldn't have a reason to care unless someone put the idea in her head that Uther was going to overshadow her. Aurora only cares about being the most loved fairy in Britain and likely wouldn't have viewed a human king like Uther, no matter how popular, as a real threat since most fairies only begrudgingly respect humans and they are especially short-lived in Fearie Britain. Any dynasty Uther set up would be like a bunch of ceremonial mayflies to her which would do the heavy lifting while she was still worshiped by the fairy population. However, Aurora is notoriously vain and fickle so anyone with ulterior motives could probably easily push her into vengeful jealousy simply by talking up Uther in front of her. This isn't something I could see just any fairy doing but Oberon would do it in a heartbeat.
@eslamatef8442
@eslamatef8442 7 месяцев назад
​@@kylepessell1350 Wait what year did oberon manifest? He is supposed to be the one behinde the wind clan anhilation But did he really exsist in the fairy calendar?
@kylepessell1350
@kylepessell1350 7 месяцев назад
@@eslamatef8442 'Oberon' as we know him is the third incarnation of Vortigern and definitely manifested late in the Queen Calendar in this form at least 10 years before the events of Lostbelt 6. He manifested as the Mors King in the previous Great Calamity. It's unclear about his first manifestation so while unlikely it's possible. Like all calamities, Oberon is a manifestation of Britain's will to destroy Faerie Britain which means he has technically always existed as long as it has. Even if it wasn't Oberon per se which did the deed, I'm fairly confident that the calamity at the time had a vested interest in sabotaging Aesc's efforts and since they are all connected you could say he was responsible by proxy. XD
@abdulzaelani9954
@abdulzaelani9954 8 месяцев назад
Its fitting you try defend aurora with melusine profile picture lmao
@CrazyYurie
@CrazyYurie 8 месяцев назад
Har har
@ghio43
@ghio43 8 месяцев назад
I think Oberon already exist around when the prophecy was made. We saw the mural indicating Cernunnos, the 6 original faeries and the dragon. According to Oberon, Cernunnos was in his way and he needed someone that could remove him out of the picture in order for him to have full access to his true power. He might manipulated Aurora or some other faery to poison Uther causing Aesc to become the ruthless Morgan and for millennia she was preparing to face off Cernunnos.
@lostanimeworld11
@lostanimeworld11 8 месяцев назад
Wasn't this before Vort reincarnated as Oberon? The original wolf party member was still around before Uther's assassination, and it was the reincarnated wolf that defeated Vort.
@ghio43
@ghio43 8 месяцев назад
@@lostanimeworld11 My bad I should be clearer, what I meant when I mention Oberon is the "Will of Britain to destroy itself" or the previous incarnation of Oberon.
@someone-nu1kf
@someone-nu1kf 8 месяцев назад
I personally always thought Oberon planed many more thing then what we can comfirm using other people as scapegoats like Aurora to either save time or to keep himself out of Morgan's sight
@Vaquita_Vibes
@Vaquita_Vibes 8 месяцев назад
An interesting idea, wouldn’t put it past a past iteration of Vortegurn to make an assassination. However, I would consider Auoras special ability to be key to her survival, that anything that pops into her empty skull becomes fact to her. So Morgan with fairy eyes, wouldn’t be able to know when she’s lying, and considering how popular she is, it would be a hassle to deal with the aftermath.
@synckar6380
@synckar6380 8 месяцев назад
Aurora's skill allowing her to bypass Fae Eyes would explain her longevity a lot. Capable of actually deceiving Morgan and more importantly I think, Melusine as the lie she creates becomes fact.
@xhion02
@xhion02 8 месяцев назад
Love the video. I just think the theory that Aurora is innocent relies heavily on Morgan being a ruthless monarch who would wish to kill her, but, is that really the case? Morgan has many opportunities to eliminate the protagonist and other opponents, yet instead of doing so, she just ignores them, gives a truce option even; the proof of this is precisely in that she let Aurora herself live despite knowing that at some point she would try to take the throne from her just because of her selfish nature. Also Morgan's character is not as emotional as the rumors say, on the contrary, she shows herself distanced from the other fairies because she simply gave up on all of them. I really don't think she cares anymore about who killed Uther, because for Morgan they are all equally guilty, and they will all pay retribution.
@hirobhya
@hirobhya 8 месяцев назад
In the lostbelt monologue manga, on Tonelico's chapter, it was stated that Tonelico used magic to disguise (and erase the memory) of the culprit of the poisoning. Then that now amnesiac and panicked culprit got executed. From the look of her, she seemed to be Aurora's past incarnation.
@CrazyYurie
@CrazyYurie 8 месяцев назад
Aurora would have alive in her current incarnation when it happened, so whoever that was was someone else.
@ribstein7714
@ribstein7714 8 месяцев назад
In the lostbelt: this faerie Aesc tranforms to look like her is said to be the one who sold out the round table to the clans, not the one who poisoned Uther. So it isn't her, and as the videomaker rightly pointed out: aurora was alive so it couldn't have been a previous version of her
@hirobhya
@hirobhya 8 месяцев назад
Well damn. I was wrong then xD
@kylepessell1350
@kylepessell1350 8 месяцев назад
We actually got to see that play out in the chapter dialogue. A good look at the merciless side of Aesc. However, Aurora almost never carries out her crimes personally (with the notable exception of poor Coral) rather she makes extensive use of proxies whom she indirectly encourages to carry out atrocities to please her whims. All she had to say was something like: 'I do not like that human king' and there would be dozens of fairies scrambling over themselves to get rid of him for her just like we see with the Mirror Clan.
@weisstofall2615
@weisstofall2615 8 месяцев назад
My guess is... She didn't actually know. Morgan probably doesn't think back much upon the events on londinuium, considering it traumatized her so much her hair turned white and her eyes got icy blue
@octapusxft
@octapusxft 8 месяцев назад
The crazy thing about Aurora is that she did not even had to try. All she had to do was be who she was and someone who loved her too much would go and do stupid things like the poisoning.
@Fronswath
@Fronswath 8 месяцев назад
Morgan may have thought that it was more useful to keep Aurora alive she was a fairly grounding element for fairy britain until we showed up and set everything in motion Also it put a smile on my face the naming bit at the start for Aesc engagement is good
@CrazyYurie
@CrazyYurie 8 месяцев назад
It's the first time I've had people call me out on pronunciation, and it was for the one thing I couldn't get solid answers for. x_x
@Fronswath
@Fronswath 8 месяцев назад
@@CrazyYurie ahhhhh sorry I wasn't trying to call you out. I thought I would share and I was really happy the person commented after and added more to clarify I was just happy to feel like I added something
@CrazyYurie
@CrazyYurie 8 месяцев назад
@@Fronswath Oh I wasn't calling you out specifically. I got at least a half-dozen comments about pronunciation. :o But it's alright. I am still really new at all this youtubing stuff, so I'm trying to get better! :3
@user-mt2cb3zb2n
@user-mt2cb3zb2n 8 месяцев назад
Not too many things are outright explained in this chapter. You gotta put the pieces together. But by the time Morgan snapped she no longer had the same view points as Aesc. Nor value systems. Aurora did kill him i believe. It makes no sense why she wouldn’t. It simply served her no benefit to kill everyone’s that night and keep him alive.
@Adam-yq9xe
@Adam-yq9xe 8 месяцев назад
The issue is Vortigern as we know him wouldn't or rather couldn't have done it. "Oberon" didn't exist that long before our arrival, Oberon exists as a schemer because Vortigern's previous incarnations were more overt in their attempts of destroying Britain which kept failing. Aurora was the one who killed Uther as to why Morgan didn't kill her, she more than likely didn't know and after a certain point didn't care anymore. As some others said she probably tries to aviod thinking about what happened as much as possible.
@griffin5322
@griffin5322 8 месяцев назад
Yeah I always thought it was strange that Aurora still was alive after possibly pulling that on Aesc. But I think it's also possible that Morgan just didn't care afterwards. With her depression she might have reasoned that Aurora wasn't a threat to her position as high Queen and thus not even worth it. Queen Morgan's mindset is quite shattered and inhuman during her reign, not truly caring about nearly anything else but Britain. So it's likely that after Aurora swore fealty Morgan left her be. But I do get your point and think it's possible that Aurora herself didn't do anything that time.
@Derekloffin
@Derekloffin 8 месяцев назад
I can definitely buy Vort having a hand in it, but I don't think he would be the direct party responsible. He is just too much of a schemer to put himself into the center of such a plot. He'd use a 3rd party to get the job done I think and given how much scum the faeries then to be, I'm sure he could find many a potential, including Aurora herself. As to Aurora and why would Morgan let her live, if she did it, I think it would simply come down to she didn't know. Aurora too is a schemer and like Vort probably wouldn't have been directly involved, and used a 3rd party or parties to do the deed. She probably would have been her first time at it, meaning there isn't a pattern Morgan could recognize, and with a 3rd party doing the actual deed, she likely didn't figure it was Aurora, and with Aurora's very powerful self deception she plays innocent very well. In fact, oddly, depending how the Fae eyes work, if Aurora self deception is really good, Morgan may have actually seen Aurora denying any responsibility as truth as Aurora genuinely believed it to be true which would naturally throw Morgan off the scent if she had any suspicions. All that said, I don't think we can firmly conclude it was Aurora. She could have been inspired by Uther's death. She could have been more directly related to the original perp and just reused the plot for her own gain this time. Or the similarity is nothing more than similarity (although from a narrative standpoint I would doubt that was the intent). Narratively I think she is very likely the culprit, at least in some way, again as probably the mastermind behind the scenes, and I could even see Vort being the one to push her into it.
@neptuneplaneptune3367
@neptuneplaneptune3367 3 месяца назад
I think Aurora did the same as with Mellusine and the Mirror Clan. And Morgan simply never found out because quite frankly I dont think she ever thought back to that day. The day that utterly BROKE her. She probably never connectet the dots ore her memory of the events where too foggy after the transition into the Era of the Hygh Queen. Ore Aurora managed to hide her tracks wary well.
@ousamadearudesuwa
@ousamadearudesuwa 4 месяца назад
its obvious that monster of all monsters wasn't the one who did it, but she is definitely the one backing up the fairies who wanted to kill Uther.
@greenking9124
@greenking9124 8 месяцев назад
I like to think aroura used a scape goat but that implies aroura actually thinks things through
@orga7777
@orga7777 7 месяцев назад
I think Aurora did do it, but enough to have plausible deniability. She probably did what she did to Woodwose. Manipulated someone to do it for her and then remove the one who did it afterward or let them die after the rebellion.
@A_itsar
@A_itsar 8 месяцев назад
Guilty!!! Execution!!!
@darkmatterpancake9824
@darkmatterpancake9824 3 месяца назад
By the by, Aesc is pronounced Ash. I have no idea how, but that's just how it is
@federicofilippini6780
@federicofilippini6780 8 месяцев назад
I mean I stuff I was thinking if oberon can fuck with the ability to see of merlin of all people it’s likely either he hid Aurora’s involvement by giving a fake vision of what aurora was doing, or aurora simply said that she found uther a pain in the ass and some fairies on their own went after uther to make aurora happy
@MalcadorTheSigilite
@MalcadorTheSigilite 8 месяцев назад
I'd love for you to do Ivan the terrible(ly Chad).
@nevisysbryd7450
@nevisysbryd7450 8 месяцев назад
So Chad, he got offscreened
@christineannclerino4008
@christineannclerino4008 8 месяцев назад
It's pronounce Ash well it is a welsh language
@randomguys999
@randomguys999 8 месяцев назад
I don't know why zenobia wear the thing she wear now i can't find it i think? Guess i might have to wait for how accurate is zenobia to find out
@sfhkxdd
@sfhkxdd 8 месяцев назад
Nice video ❤
@torncard
@torncard 8 месяцев назад
I've recently completed LB6 so it's no concern of mine but for anyone who didn't, this videos's title is a massive massive spoiler regarding Aurora's nature
@CrazyYurie
@CrazyYurie 8 месяцев назад
It is, but what else could I have called it?
@johnmorrison519
@johnmorrison519 8 месяцев назад
Pwrsonally I don't play fgo but only watch the fate anime(yep including deen and excluding ilya kailed),manga, vn, and novels but it would be great after fate strnage fake that they'd adapt lb6. Also have you done a how accurate is fgo brynhidlr?
@CrazyYurie
@CrazyYurie 8 месяцев назад
I have not done Brynhildr yet. I have a playlist on the channel with all of the videos. :3
@jordanjury3195
@jordanjury3195 8 месяцев назад
All my homies hate Aurora
@user-rb4mo3xy3k
@user-rb4mo3xy3k 8 месяцев назад
if i know alittle about arthurian legend wasnt uther killed after killing someone son and then he was poisoned(sorry for the spelling) i know i should not try to attach this with arthurian legend but if u think like that it can be alittle bit true after all reunifying the clan will cost life of many warriors and enemies
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