It's not pretentious if you are honest that you do it for the fun of it. It's pretentious when others claim doing the 20 steps makes it somehow superior.
I mean, it's gonna taste better, usually. Same as homemade ramen is gonna taste better than Cup o Noodle. It wouldn't be a hobby if there wasn't a difference. Just don't judge people who aren't into coffee for drinking generic brand bulk coffee
@@cryterion7770 and I said in the very first sentence of my comment that it'll Usually taste better. Usually is not always. Sometimes home cooking tastes bad, sometimes home brewing tastes bad too. But usually it tastes good
@@cryterion7770 okay, and I say it makes a difference. Obviously, the machines would not exist if there was not a difference. I don't go out and buy a 400 dollar airbrush just because I want to spend money, I do it because it makes my painting easier and better looking. He buys an aeropress to make the coffee taste different. And sometimes it doesn't go well. Sometimes you pick the wrong coffee and it tastes worse or the same. A hobby is all about experimentation and honing your craft. He says as much when he points out that it feels like a science experiment. Experiments have results, some good, some bad, some neutral.
@@cryterion7770 but part of the fun IS enjoying the taste. A bit like baking a nice cake, the fun part is eating it… Doesn’t always go 100% right, but when it does, damn. 😅
I think the main problem that people have is that so many people nowadays who do this type of stuff treat others as less than because they don't spend thousands of dollars on their means of making coffee. Same goes for other hobbies too. As long as you're not being a snob about it, I see no problem with it
Well i think the issue is justifying an expensive hobby. Some hobbies are just fun in of itself but brewing coffee with 40 extra steps and lying to yourself that it somehow tastes better seems disingenuous and thats where the pretentious accussations come in. Spending extra time and money for a worse cup of coffee? Thats the height or luxury and waste.
@@rw5622This reeks of insecurity. What use do your hobbies have? How would you know if this coffee is better or worse than anything you have had? It's rather embarrassing to be so close minded.
@@Croptopkinrealistically there's only so much you can do to alter the flavour of a bean beyond doing things directly to it. This video for example it probably doesn't taste different to just using a proper filter or a good cafetiere since at the end of the day the process you're using is boiling. The thing in this video is just using something akin to reflux to make the process look impressive, but the process is exactly the same of boiling water
Same can be the same regardless of hobby. “Oh you play console? Well you should play PC!” “Oh you like movies? Well you should read books!” “Oh you like this? Well you ahould this that” Regardless of what it is people will always bitch
I just crocheted a blanket. It took forever, I spent well over $100 on materials, and it's not perfect. But it was fun (and a little frustrating) to make. It wasn't just about the blanket, a lot of the joy comes from the actual crocheting.
I think the difference is in the skills required to learn. Buying super expensive equipment doesn’t make you a pro in any hobby. Indeed, the actual hobbyists loathe the new guys with all the expensive toys. Crocheting is relatively cheap in tools and materials, but expensive in time and motivation to learn something difficult. That’s why it commands more respect than brewing coffee the fancy way.
Right. Even trying to point to video games. We all know there are normal gamers and then there are pretentious gamers. You can do a hobby without making it pretentious.
@@Faint366 Which is his point. How can you call this pretentious and completely miss the point. He enjoys doing it this way. As long as he's not judging you and your coffee then it's not pretentious.
@@kingcam0775 I’m explaining why people are calling coffee snobs pretentious. It’s not just because they spend money on themselves, it’s because they go out and tell everyone else “you’re doing it wrong” for wanting normal coffee. Can you fucking read?
@@kingcam0775that isnt his point. Hes saying that people that are calling it pretentious are missing the point, when in reality, people shaming others due to "inadequate" brewing styles is as pretentious as it gets, and that happens all the time. This guy might have a hobby, but that doesnt mean that so many others only see it as a way to brag about their wealth and flaunt their fanciness
I wish I could get a taste of his coffee, that looks amazing. The smoothness of the coffee as it’s poured into the mug/cup. The glint of light and clearness almost the color of brown sea glass.
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I love how the siphon pot literally looks like a science major needed to make coffee in chemistry class with all the random equipment. I’m not even a coffee snob and it looks badass.
And then you find out that the real cherry on top is the fact, that the little chain is getting heated by the burner and you got black soot in your coffee. Say hello to Alzeimer's later.
"And?" I" had to turn on my pocket blackhole and Dyson sphere, so I could run all of my machines (30 hours of naming machines) and my machine that atomizes the coffee and shoots it at just the right angle to make the coffee taste like the most perfect thing ever." "I just want to go home, you're fine, I won't put this on you record *weak crying*"
A friend of mine (F) shared a story with me of one of their coffee enthusiast colleagues (M) visiting their home. When she offered him some coffee, he politely declined, saying "he came prepared" and proceeded to whip out his tools from a hand bag he was carrying with him. My friend wasn't really offended, but it is really off-putting to see someone decline coffee just because "they prefer the stuff they make". It's not so much being pretentious than it is "reading the room" and knowing when certain behaviors or comments are appropriate. And that goes for anyone who's very passionate about their hobbies.
it's funny, because I fully believe there's a much better way for him to have played that exact same situation. To say "oh actually, will you let me show you this way? It's really cool and I'm excited to share it"
@@Romanticoutlawyeah i agree. he couldve also said, "hey would it be alright if got you on that next coffee cup? id really appreciate if you let me share my passion with ya."
Definitely agree! Personally I think the only time when niceties would need to be put aside is if it's less out of pretensiousness and more out of someone's personal health reasons (like if someone turned down regular glutenous bread because they have Celiac disease or they're gluten-sensitive, or they bring fancy fake coffee/mushroom coffee because their anxiety/heart rate would go through the roof). I'm not saying people haven't used their personal health issues to flex pretentiousness (or some sort of moral superiority), but things get complicated once personal health reasons come into play.
I think doing this stuff would be fun, but my morning coffee would definitely be from the everyday instant coffee machine. I would get some crazy shit like this out if I knew it was a slow and boring day
I try get up at 4:30 and out of my house by 5:00 when I have the morning shift at work. I don't really like instant coffee but I don't have time for anything else. Sometimes I literally have 5 min cause I am not great at getting up early enough and I barely have time to make myself instant coffee. I love good coffee but I don't have time for anything else and I need coffee to function in the morning
that one sucked, rethink that one. lightning rod makes no sense in this. not to mention that you messed up the first line, needs comma and theres no explanation of “cup.” cup of coffee is better, not just “cup.”
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People don’t accuse coffee enthusiasts about being pretentious because they enjoy making it, it’s because 99% they are insufferable about their tastes and look down on others for drinking affordable coffee.
I love coffee but also don't care what coffee other people drink. It's something I love and that doesn't have to be the same for everyone. If it tastes good to you and you like it, that's all that matters. All the baristas I've met have been the most down to earth kind people.
though I will say, a very large number of enthusiasts in any hobby will be elitist and judge people for not spending an exorbinant amount on a hobby. not everyone needs to spend $500 on a pen, and not everyone wants to have the fanciest café machine. that's okay! and more people need to accept that!
Well, I once did had a search party over because of some other dude with the exact same name as me. Yup - the siphon was on the counter, next to various grinders and implements... fun times
Pretentiousness isn’t about being nerdy or geeky about a subject, it’s about imposing and judging your idea of the “right way to do something” onto others. The reason many feel that coffee nerds are pretentious is because they have been judged by them. If there isn’t any judgement I think people wouldn’t really care.
You’re 100% on the money. It’s ok to be nerdy/geeky about coffee. But when it has to be this way or you think less of someone then it’s a problem. I don’t care much about coffee but I know there’s different roasts and how they affect caffeine levels (light are more caffeinated and dark cook more out). Also the coffee beans have different profiles and all that. There’s some people who like it distinctly black but also want their beans a certain way. And that’s fine but at the same time if that person is going to judge me because I add milk and sugar then they’re pretentious.
As (once) an alcoholic, I feel like coffee experimenting and brewing as a hobby is just the same as alcoholic mixology but safer. At least it’s not much detrimental to the health compared (stunned height and anxiety vs… everything your brain and muscles do but kinda poisoned) But at the same time, fuck off… “yOuR iRiSh cOfFeE iS oNlY tHreE iNgRedIeNts?” Me, using red wine sometimes in my coffee, the most wrong alcohol for it and might as well be called French coffee: “Yes.”
I'm a chef so my hobby is kitchen things. I'm pretty sure my knives alone are about 30k. That was the point I realized that I have no room to talk, lol.
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I think it’s cool to be a bit nerdy/overly into the detail and craftsmanship of certain things. Like how some guys like watches or train sets, and other things along that same line. I got my first cheap watch and had to fix something on it recently, and taking time to make the adjustments while trying to be careful as possible was rather fun. Even though I wouldn’t consider myself a watch snob at all, I instantly understood after that hour of working, and had that feeling of “Oh, this is why people love this.” Same thing like how people are really into wine, hand crafted figurines/vases, bonsai trees, or even super specific things like carved wooden spoons. I think the people that scoff at such hobbies just want everything done quick, which is understandable on a tight schedule. However, it’s nice to slow down sometimes.
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"Man I feel like some coffee right now" "Oh I got some" *pulls out a normal and convenient machine* *The absolute most disgusted and crinkled face in reaction* "that's not real coffee" Is probably why people have this thought.
This is exactly why they're pretentious. Coffee people don't just enjoy the process of making coffee, they look down on everyone who consumes coffee for the utility it provides. It doesn't help that it being so expensive breeds classist attitudes but that's just the piss cherry on the shit pie of how insufferable these people are. When I enjoy video games, I don't look down on people who read books or are still using their 3ds from 2015 because they fundamentally do not care about video games as much as I do, looking down on them for not caring about the process of something they don't care about the outcome of is like trying to dig a trench with a spoon. Coffee people don't just view it as a hobby, they view it as a superior way of consuming the product (similar to PC "master race" people who are equally if not more insufferable than coffee people)
@@HavingCrumpets not at all? I have only seen people make fun of pretentious book readers (aka people who claim to be smarter and more intellectually developed and constantly brag about how many books they read while not actually knowing jackshit about anything) and I have not seen anyone make fun of someone for playing on an outdated device?? that is kind of a weird thing to do
@@VazikliDuokodajust because those are the few instances you’ve seen doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. That’s literally the line, “it doesn’t happen to me, so it’s not true.”
People who drink Gas Station Coffee and starbucks: Normal People who spend thousands of dollars and hours for their coffee: Normal People who frown at the first sight of coffee creamers and paper cups: Pretentious
@@NN-sp9tu Dairy in general is nasty. We're the only beings to drink the milk of another being. Milk that's meant for infants of any being that produces it. Most humans still cannot process dairy or any animal milks beyond adolescence. It used to be all humans, it is for other beings.
@@NN-sp9tucus u only think of international delight and coffeemate creamer. Creamer can be literally just cream, maybe a bit of half and half, and a little vanilla extract.
I think you’re missing the forest for the trees. Your personal enjoyment of coffee will never cause someone to call you pretentious. It’s when people in the coffee community belittle the way other people make coffee that turns them off. I’ve literally seen people in the community go “Oh why would you ever use Starbucks coffee beans” or “Oh that machine is a piece of trash” or any number of other ways they’ve made people who aren’t in the hobby or are just getting started feel small. The response to anyone telling you about their setup should be “Oh cool, you should definitely try X, Y or Z though if you get the chance”, not “OMG why do you even bother”
it's fine to tell people that their choices are entry-level or D-grade honestly. if people are comfortable with convenience that's okay but there's always room for improving your game and learning more about the process than "buy k-cup, insert into plastic machine, drink"
@@skritzo so this right here is exactly the take people find condescending. Convenience is not “D grade”, and calling someone’s choice out like that is only ever going to push them away from the hobby. Because that’s all good coffee is - it’s not going to functionally improve your life, it’s just a nice-to-have
@@ItsIntelligentDesign none of your hobbies functionally improve your life, ffs. but as long as you're actively participating in things you find enjoyable and not "faking it till you make it," you should want to hear how you can improve your craft. it saves time at the very least. convenience isn't automatically D grade, you're lumping my two sentences together. but it can be, and I know many people who only drink coffee for the bare minimum purpose of waking up, and some of them are total know-it-alls about coffee while barely engaging with it. they swear by their D-grade methods, and are hostile to any type of pro-tips on how to improve. that's the real condescension: pretending to know what you're talking about and not being open to correction
@@skritzoGeorge "oh your wife bought you (insert model) espresso machine. Man honestly I'm not a fan of that machine if she asked I would have given her tips on a better machine. " Well George that's all we could afford this year my mother has cancer and we had to help with payment. Point of this statement is to highlight that someone may have sentimental value or may not have the money for expensive equipment. It is a exaggeration but the point is still the same. To shame someone based on them enjoying their hobbies with the means they have is goofy especially because that maybe all they can or do have. I'm not saying you're doing this but if you disagree then you ARE doing something at least similar.
Enjoying these kinds of things can be categorized as pretentious by other people, even if you never do anything pretentious. This is the internet, people will hate you for breathing too loud.
You know, you might just like the stuff you drink or be a connoisseur. Nothing to do with alcoholism. Getting occasionally wasted on a party isn't alcoholism either. Trust me, I know. Tell me you know nothing about alcoholism without telling me you know nothing about alcoholism.
I feel like the type of guys who write “tasting notes” as they sip their extremely expensive single-malt whisky are probably a lot less likely to have a drinking problem than the guys drinking stuff like cheap vodka
@@durden91tyleryour not wrong but it doesn’t really have an effect on ur body if u only drink a cup a day Sugar can also be considered a drug because it improves ur mood and gives u a little sugar rush (drugs work different on everyone bc everyone’s body is different)
I had read some the comments in the thread, and I have to say this. Majority of these comments are quick to get aggressive, whether pro-coffee or the contrarian. As someone who have never really care about coffee, I just find these kinds of videos are cool. Like those bartender gimmicks and PC building videos. For some comments from pro-coffee, some are giving (imo) quite a solid advice, but gets a little aggressive when other gets dismissive or confrontational. As for some that "oooo, coffee maker are so condescending, ooo" I get it, and I can see them even in this comment section. But imo it's just unfortunately that you are probably interacting with people that rub the wrong way against you. It's not just coffee enthusiasts, PC enthusiasts, game enthusiasts, car collectors, hell even some stamp collecters (personal experience). Personally, it's not the group's fault, just some individuals with too little tack in sharing their hobbies (giving benefits of doubt)
Hell, I watch every coffee prep video I come across because it's satisfying as hell, but I can still joke about it being pretentious even if I know perfectly well why they do it. Hell, I'd probably do it myself if I drank coffee at all, the process is half the fun. It's why I started baking. I'd argue that anything you make yourself, manually, will taste better simply due to the fact you made it yourself.
Yeah theres way more people who just take the piss out of a group of people enjoying their own hobby and interests. The idea that theres hordes of coffee enthusiasts looking down their noses and scoffing about normal people using instant coffee is a stereotype that basically does not exists. Coffee enthusiasts could not give a fuck what people outsids the interest do. Now within the interest, there is plenty of shitting on each others methods, but what hobby or sport etc doesnt have that?
The pretentiousness stereotype comes not from the things you mentioned but from them reacting negatively to people liking their coffee some other way, or not caring about their coffees quality as much.
honestly, most people who’re genuinely interested in coffee making will be so happy to tell you all about it with 0 judgement of how you enjoy it yourself. take james hoffman for an example. theres unkind and pretentious ppl everywhere, but it doesn’t mean it’s everyone or even most.
What you refer to as "some people liking their coffee in a different way" it usually is people actively attacking and making fun of coffee enthusiasts because it's 'unnecessary' and they can make 'better' coffee more easily. Just like vegans, I've must have encountered like 2 vegans both on and offline that were obnoxious about it, but I've seen thousands of people complaing about vegans like crazy.
As a coffee enthusiast I still find it pretentious to have inherently expensive and lowkey classist hobbies like playing golf and brewing espresso at home. I personally downgraded to a moka pot and can still enjoy the different taste profiles of different coffee-beans, without any unnecessarily expensive tools.
Over the years, I've used numerous coffee machines, usually to have their heating elements eventually burn out. Then, I acquired a "French press." It was quicker than a drip type coffee maker, produced excellent coffee, but didn't filter out "sludge." Then I got a device that consisted of only a vase-shaped glass container & basket, which fit into its top. It works like a "drip" machine, except the water is poured in manually. Then I had an idea! "Cowboy coffee" consists of dumping the coffee into a pot of boiling water, removing the heat, letting it steep, a little, then pouring off the coffee. I tried that method, but used the basket & filter. The coffee was great! One day I ran out of filters, so I improvised, and used a paper towel, cut to size. The coffee was just as good, but the towel filter was much quicker. I no longer buy coffee filters, but get rolls of paper towels, from Walmart, for $.68 apiece.
Awesome. After having purchased several different types of devices to brew coffee, I've settled on the french press as my preferred method. I believe it produces the best tasting coffee compared to other devices I've used. But, on work days, I settle for drip coffee. It's a compromise between speed and taste. The joy is in the journey.
What makes people pretentious is saying "you're drinking it wrong". You add some sugar to your cup and someone is **bound** to come up with that. Don't be that person. Be inviting. Share your passion.
True but that does not mean you should group all of them together. Just because some in a community are annoying and pretensious doesn't mean the entire community is
Sugar is disgusting in coffee though. The only coffee I drink is from my keurig and from restaurants, so it's not like I'm drinking fancy coffee anyways. Sugar is just bad in coffee
@@lukasg4807To you and to me. Taste is subjectice, just because we don't like sugar in coffee it doesn't automatically make sugar a bad thing to add to coffee in general.
@@diego032912Exactly, like I find adding sugar to plain coffee is just horrid but some people do it. Personally I think you need at least some milk to bridge that gap. Minimum ratio of 1/3 milk to 2/3 coffee add sugar to taste. If someone does it another way that's their way. It's not wrong. Unless their burning their coffee. Then it's a suggestion not a rant to them.
Audiophile stuff is mad I once found some audiophile cables (big aux connector on both sides) and only a few years later did i find out that they were pure gold inside.... ~120 grams of pure gold
@@freesoftwareextremist8119 i got them for $5 out of a cable box at a goodwill, right next to the amp and headphones they belonged to (which was $50 total) I doubt the cable itself actually does anything but with this find, i went from a razer gaming headset to a $12k electroststic setup and boy was there a difference there.
The pretentious aspect comes from those who thinks that the 27 steps is the only way to enjoy coffee and that you do not deserve to claim that you love coffee otherwise. Edit: And even if you do 27 steps, it might not be THEIR 27 steps so you're doing it wrong still.
How many people have you seen actually act like this? Is this a serious problem in the coffee community, or did you just read a couple annoying comments that got downvoted or ratioed?
These types of people give the community a bad name and it’s quite annoying. Whatever method you like wether it be that high end specialty coffee in Colombia with the 39 steps puck prep, or if it be an instant coffee with milk and sugar, the important part is that you enjoy yourself.
I haven't met a single coffee nerd who would get mad that you aren't doing the exact method they do. They generally care more that you are getting to enjoy high quality coffee and mostly give me more recommendations on roasters and specific origins I might want to try.
The only reason to use a siphon brew method is for one thing, it’s fun. If you see all the gear and techniques and don’t see it as fun, then you’re the wrong audience for that world. Doesn’t matter what side you are on. As long as you are enjoying the coffee, you’re doing it right. No need to put down people for pushing their hobby though.
Disclosure: This isn't directed at you or anyone in the comments, this is based on real-life experiences in my day-to-day life. I have no issue with people being ultra-fancy with brewing coffee. All the power to them! In fact, I have no doubt I'll love their coffees. I have an issue when people just can't stand the fact I can enjoy, yes *enjoy* a nice cup of Nescafe freeze-dried instant coffee. They feel the need to remind me how shitty my "mudwater" coffee is, and how I should not be allowed to drink it. Like, dude, I'm not making you drink it. LET ME ENJOY THINGS. I like the flavour, no I don't love it compared to barista-quality coffee, but I still enjoy it. Most importantly is the functionality (caffeine). By all means, they can enjoy their top-end coffee - but let those who aren't coffee hobbyists enjoy their standard/"subpar" coffee. I love coffee, I'm addicted even. But I guess I just enjoy a large range of quality. In short, I have an issue with people who don't let other people enjoy things their way.
Lets all agree the real pretentious people are those who dont let you enjoy your things because that isnt how they live, whether it was the coffee people or the people who whining non-stop about them. 👍
@@Hamburgun7122fucking thank you. Like they'll get salty about you spending thousands of dollars on comic books, tea, coffee, liquor or sport equipment. But they'll the ones who like watch a sport or like comic book characters but never once opened a comic book or having played any sport outside of family gathering or gym class.
I went to the Starbucks Reserve in Chicago and ordered their coffee flights and they did the siphon demo. That was wild, I told my kids to sit right in the front and watch. The Barista lady was very good and captured the audience.
When you say you are a tea person, you mean as in "i buy good quality tea that i brew properly for a better experience" or as in "i follow the 27 steps of the ancient tea ritual of the Tsu dynasty court"?
It becomes pretentious when a person starts trying to describe their particular preferences and methods as "better" and they thumb their nose at anything they see as "lesser". The unfortunate fact is there's a rather high concentration of these people in the "coffee enthusiast" circles.
i mean, his coffee is better. Like a Baker bread is better than a normal person bread, i don't get why do you feel so attacked by someone doing something better than most people. Not that you are wrong for doing it wrong, you are doing it fine, but if someone has a hobby and he know more about a topic than most people, obviously he's gonna make that thing he's good at better
@matteoinvernazzi4331 it's this exact mindset that people are talking about "not that you are wrong for doing it wrong" he's not doing it wrong, he's doing it the way that works for him, which is not doing 20 or more steps for his coffee. It's not about making "better coffee" it's about how coffee snobs act like they are better than you as a person just because of the way they make their coffee.
@@frog1405 i'm probably telling you something you already know, but you are aware that people like what you are describing don't exist in the real world right? Like how many people do you think are out there saying that they are better than someone else because they make a better coffee? Also why are you bringing this point if this is not what we were talking about? obv you are not doing your coffe wrong, 99,9999% of people do the coffee the same way, but at the same time if he spends more time into making a perfect coffee and see it as a passion it will taste better. That's the only point of the video, and i don't even understand how can some people take this as some sort of personal attack like "do you think you are better than me just because you do your coffee better?"
i had somone cuss me out because i asked if they liked their coffee with sugar creamer or both. their answer was some rant about the delicate process of making "real" coffee and not some "mcdonalds clone garbage"
They're the kinda person that will come to your house and shit talk the coffee you made, explaining in detail why they could do it better Then get confused when they're not invited again
As a fellow coffee nerd, the pretentious label is only applied to people who try to aggressively evangelize their hobby. Very few people are going to spend $4K on a grinder and $6K on an espresso machine. We have to accept the fact that coffee nerds are a small demographic and that's okay. I always try to share my knowledge but don't feel a need to push my coffee fanaticism on others.
yeah it makes you an autist, I bet dollars to doughnuts that a medium mcdonalds double double would walk all over this gravity bong coffee @@jamessantos7241
Spending money is not a hobby. Look, if you're going to spend 10k on your coffee gear, you ARE being pretentious. The least you could do is own up to it. You are spending 3 years worth of labor of a Colombian coffee bean picker on a blender. Drinking that coffee would make me nauseous.
@izayus11 So what your saying is they're spending money on something they enjoy with THEIR own money and your saying their pretenscious? Honestly just get a job and mind your own business
@@singNsong-gc9kt You can spend money on whatever you please. But words still have meaning. Consumerism is not a hobby. Pretentiousness is not always pedantic: when the princess said "let them eat cake", she honestly thought she was sharing meaningful economic policy. People who think drinking coffee counts as a personality will swear that a La Marzocco tastes different than a breville. I mean, sure, as long as you don't think too much on the bean picker who earns 3-5 dollar a day on 100f humid wheather.
As a barista, I can totally say coffee drinkers are beyond pretentious. The drinks I've had to make for my customers over the years never cease to amaze me 😅
Can I get a double hazelnut sprinkle mocha frap macchiato with 0.5% milk, yank the foam, 6pH and a shot of ultra nitrogen infused espresso, hold the cream. 😂
@@raihanwinata5329 I've made the grossest things that people INSIST is good, healthy, "only for serious coffee drinkers", etc...and I still have to make it. I've had to dump coffee that's barely 10 minutes old cuz some of my regulars who INSISTS they know what coffee is say that SOMEHOW, SOMEWAY those 10 minutes are TOO late. All these..tastes(?) customers have really end up just leading to waste and it just plain sucks. I honestly REALLY want to get further into coffee and stuff, but then I see my customers and their trendy drinks and I think twice lol. Don't get me wrong though! I love making drinks! I will make a damn good latte given the time, but today's "average" coffee drinker really sucked the fun out of coffee...
"For most, coffee is a means to an end, which is to wake up. For others, it's a hobby." Nah, I take it a step further, it's ART. And you know what? I STILL don't need any of that unnecessary machinery. All I need is a Moka pot.
@@mikewin7056 No, but spending in excess of 4k dollars on coffee equipment then filming yourself using it and posting it for millions to see is very pretentious 🤷🏾♂️ It's like saying "look at me paupers... my equipment is better than yours".
Seeing a lot of people describe this as the creator having an addiction and, as someone who actually has addictions, I wanted to give my thoughts. An addiction is always about a quick fix. It might start slow, but it never ends that way. The more you do it, the quicker you need it. Believe me, if he was just addicted to the caffeine, he wouldn’t be *adding* steps, he’d be subtracting them. It’d go from brewed to canned, just to get it quicker when you feel like you need it. But you know what does actually really help with addictions? Hobbies. It doesn’t honestly matter how stupid anyone else thinks the hobby is- taking time and effort and careful patience in tending to something is such an important part of the human experience. It’s one that’s easy for all of us to forget in a world as fast-paced and money-driven as ours. Stopping to care for something- *anything* can be healing. Especially for addicts. I am not a coffee person. But I understand how he feels, and I’m endeared. It can feel so rewarding to take time and care towards anything in your life. It’s something we all deserve- time and care. For ourselves, for our hobbies. It’s a shame the world as it is has robbed us of our time. But that’s not this silly coffee guy’s fault, even if I do feel a bit of envy. Good for you coffee dude, keep coffee-ing ☕️ 👍
if ya got the money and time then i'd say it's at least worth a try. school taught me the concept of an 'open mindset' and it goes a very long way having it.
I usually grind my own beans (mandheling arabica), put em on the cup and pour some hot water, stir and just wait for it to settle. I kid you not my coffee was better than most coffee shop 😅
Time after time I keep thinking "Maybe there's something between LIDL plastic trash espresso machines and $20,000 science experiments, that I could afford and make okay coffee without having a PhD?", and five minutes inside any coffee enthusiasts' community turns me off immediately. Strangely hermetical and unpleasant groups of people, it's incredible.
I mean some people spend more than that on a gaming rig. Some people want to pump more money into their hobbies than others. It’s all personal preference.
@@freedomfighter763bro nobody spends over 4,000 on a gaming rig. Its exceedingly rare for that to be the case. Even the biggest tech nerd on the planet is unlikely to drop even half of that amount of money on a computer
@@PrimetimeXpeople with jobs do LMAO A decent 4K monitor with a gaming rig that can do 100+ frames can cost 4 thousand dollars It’s seen as an investment to an activity that brings joy
@@VuiitoI’m sorry if you’re spending 4k on a gaming rig I’d hope to god you get more than 100 fps lmao. I spent 2k 8 years ago and I still run most games at 200+ on the highest settings
Finding the perfect coffee can be a journey, and you might never find it. There's a story about Tom Petty (yes the musician) going in to a diner, and he ordered a coffee. once he started drinking it, he realized that it's the best coffee that he's ever had. He HAD to know how they made it. So he politely asked if he could go back in the kitchen and see exactly how they made it. They showed him an old commercial stainless steel Bunn coffee machine from the 1960's. They showed him that they used a precise amount of coffee and water for each pot. What was the coffee they used? It was none other than just plain ole Maxwell House, in the blue can. Petty immediately got on to ebay and ordered multiple of this exact coffee machine model, Maxwell house and the exact measuring spoons they used. That was HIS perfect coffee. If you find YOUR perfect coffee, that's all that matters, and it might be more simple than you think.
It's true. Some of us have sensitive taste buds and not just any coffee will suffice. It's why I'm not just drinking coffee like water, I actually need to taste and enjoy what I make.
@@knockoffninjamanager at my second job unironically said that She couldn't actually lift her mug enough to tip it so she just sipped on it until it was halfwat empty
Use It or Lose It But you, dear friends, must build each other up in your most holy faith, pray in the power of the Holy Spirit, and await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will bring you eternal life. In this way, you will keep yourselves safe in God’s love. -Jude 1:20-21- Some of us treat our faith like a fragile egg. But faith isn’t fragile. Faith is given to us to use, to stretch, to flex, and to develop. And the more we use our faith, the more faith we will have. On the other hand, if we neglect our faith, it will atrophy. In other words, use it or lose it. Faith is like a muscle. The more we use it, the stronger it becomes. The Bible says this about faith: “But you, dear friends, must build each other up in your most holy faith, pray in the power of the Holy Spirit, and await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will bring you eternal life” (Jude 1:20-21) Notice the emphasis is on faith doing things. Faith is praying, faith is staying, and faith is keeping. Faith is active. God has given us this faith to use, but we don’t use it. Our faith is all show and no go. World changers have an active, not a passive, faith.
That is truly a thing of beauty! Even if you didn't use it every day, it's worth having sitting on the counter. You hit the bulls eye! It's not putting pre-ground coffee in the coffee maker preset the night before. It's a Tea Ceremony to start the day every morning.
This is true of pretty much everything people accuse people of being snobs over. Hell saying something is better when it objectively is will get you labeled as a pretentious snob by most people.
@@MarioLuigi0404 It's gotta be insecurity or something, like they think if someone is putting more time and effort than you would into something it must be because they think they're better than you. Do people who disparage others for their coffee habits exist? Yes, but those aren't snobs, those are assholes, and they exist everywhere.
Same honestly, especially weirdly from people with their own issues w being a snop according to their standards so long one's not treating others like theyre lesser than for not liking a thing its fine but now its more people complaining abt how pretentious something is when someone is just enjoying themselves
There’s a difference between making fancy coffee because you like making it that way vs telling people they can’t enjoy their morning Dunkin’ on the commute to work
Without people who care too much we wouldn't have good beer, good wine, good cocktails. But hey those are just beverages everyone should just drink bud light.
It's not a hobby it's an addiction. I could make the same argument about vaping, I only vape because I like the flavours and it's my hobby not because I'm a addicted to the stimulant drug nicotine the same way coffee drinkers are addicted to caffeine
@@NotchyCookies I don't get on people for their hobbies. But this, this is insane. It is not just unhealthy financial wise but also for your body. This is not a hobby but more of an addiction.
@@julianbaluda7382if he has the money for it, who cares? Also, you don’t know how many cups he’s drinking per day. Many people I know have 3-4 cups a day, and they don’t have good equipment.
I don't know man, I like cooking fancy things and love my steak cooked sous vide, but I won't spit out someone else's steak that isn't cooked this way. I won't berate people for using a teflon pan instead of a cast iron and I will enjoy food cooked whichever way. I feel like many coffee bros would not be capable of this distinction and that's where the accusations of pretentiousness come from.
I agree. Yeah, there are some assholes who will call you pretentious for putting in more than the bare minimum, but that's not how coffee people get a reputation for pretentiousness. It's the shitting on people who don't share the hobby or endlessly pursue perfection that gets me.
@romnickrosario6048 Tried it, liked it, didn't find it dry or chewy. I've also had medium rare and medium well, really not that big a deal to me and I never find myself clamoring for a certain cook.
To claim that you do things for enjoyment is not pretentious, it’s only pretentious to look down at other ways of preparation or think that you can taste the difference when actually only the necessary steps makes the differences and the minutes are for enjoyment.
This is very true. But ill be honest high quality coffee does taste perfect black. I also love high quality cold brew. (I also drink high sugar supermarket coffee i like every type of coffee 😂)
Any person with an expensive hobby gets labelled as "pretentious", no matter how humble they are. So many will ridicule someone as "pretentious" without understanding what it means.
Buying anything expensive for a thing you enjoy doing is automatically labeled pretentious unless it’s accepted by the internet. Like mfs will spend THOUSANDS on their gaming setups and people will be fine with that
@@i_garfed_on_the_carpetNo one likes those people either tho, people get a bad taste in their mouth when someone calls their pc setup a "battlestation"
@@i_garfed_on_the_carpetYou miss the point. Coffee snobs arent seen as pretentious because their hobby is expensive. They're seen as pretentious because, as the guy in the video says, they see coffee as an art rather than a commodity. Which is fine in isolation, but when they treat ALL coffee as if it has to be this perfect art, and act rude to people giving them a practical brew that they make for productivity purposes simply because it isn't from freshly ground, freshly roasted beans that highlight natural origin characteristics, prepared with 40+ extra steps.... THAT, is when they are called pretentious. Gamers don't really have a comparablr stereotype. I know a few people who have insane setups at home, but I've never seen any of them complain that their work computer at their day jobs doesn't have 5 144hz monitors, a custom Cherry MX Brown switch mechanical keyboard with NKRO, a 10,000+ DPI mouse, etc. Maybe because they understand that companies aren't going to waste money on that shit when a single 60hz monitor, a membrane keyboard, and a dollar store mouse is enough for Microsoft fucking Excel. Similarly, no car modding enthusiast out there is going to complain about being driven in a Toyota Corolla that doesn't have all the bells and whistles they like to put on their tuners. Because last time I checked, no you do not need custom brakes, tuned suspension, and a twin-charged engine to take your kids to school. Or look at the gun community, where people who own your basic bitch Glocks loaded with cheapo Remington Green and White box JHP ammo for self-defense and people who run match pistols with match grade rounds for competitions can coexist. But there are MANY coffee snobs that see you brew a cup like a normal fucking person with a life, and will act like you're literally Satan himself. A lot of them can't make the distinction between their art and the common, practical use of coffee. The pretentiousness factor isnt about extravagance, its about acting as if said extravagance should be the norm and that anyone who does less is inferior. It's like if I said the US military had a terrible main service rifle because I have an expensive AR-15 with a gas piston, while theirs still used direct impingement. Like no shit, sometimes a cheap thing that gets the job done good enough is better than the expensive shit that gets the job done slightly better.
@@McCaroni_Supexactly. And it doesn’t help with the language he uses in this video aswell. Saying things like, “normal people” and implying they “don’t understand” coffee, as to separate himself and the others from us in a way that seems like they look down on people. Plus, he called “normal people” coffee’s means to an end to wake people up while saying its “about the process” for him and coffee people. But thats not entirely true. Their means to an end is to get a good cup of coffee. I’ve seen his videos where he does all the 50 steps and makes “bad” coffee that he says “nobody wants”. So its not all about the process of making coffee when he himself isnt happy if everything isnt done “perfectly” and he doesn’t get good coffee. Plus, spraying shit on your beans and shaking it just to chuck it in a blender and saying that all the minute details count is pretentious. Dont even get me started with the shit he said during the decanter part. The video would have been so much shorter and non-pretentious if he just said I have the money to spend on coffee and im passionate about it so thats why I buy this stuff and make videos. P.S. I definitely dont understand why you need to poke needles in the coffee just to squish it down at the end. Someone explain that please.
@@rassamhk I don't really have an issue with coffee enthusiasts who have these overly complex setups at home because in a way, I kinda understand. I like to build PCs, mod my games, work on cars and guns, reload my spent casings, and a bunch of other methodical hobbies where I enjoy the process just as much as the result. But what I don't do is say that anyone who buys a prebuilt PC, has a stock car, doesn't mod Minecraft, or doesn't reload is inferior or doing it wrong. Because frankly, some people might just not like the process, or don't really care that their morning coffee they need to make quickly before work tastes like shit. I actually want to get into the coffee brewing hobby myself since the process itself looks therapeutic. But when the community around it has so many people that are just absolute snobs, to the point of it being a stereotype? Maybe I'll just stick with tea. That said, I do disagree with you on the "means to an end" part. Yes, most of us don't need a masterpiece of a brew every morning, but I do think that while the results matter, the process itself is just as satisfying. For example, reloading is a means to an end - it's usually done to save money and make custom handloads. But many people find the process of reloading ammunition very therapeutic. The means and the end are both important. Personally though, I don't understand the appeal of going through the means just to get a worse end. If doing all those steps really does result in a better or different end product, sure. It's why working on the suspensions of cars, or the trigger pull of a firearm is so satisfying. It improves the end experience. But going through more effort for less? Don't really understand the appeal. Especially when the amount they brew is so little.
Ah yes, the short that somehow started my journey down the coffee rabbit hole. I love this statement a lot still, really. Having gone deep into coffee as a hobby I could not agree more with everything you say here. And not only do I appreciate the coffee I have and make much more these days, it has transferred to a lot of aspects of my cooking, too, where I don't take my ingredients in general for granted and that is a gift, really. Anyway, thank you for getting me into this fantastic and very expensive hobby. I love it.
I think the issue is less about coffee enthusiasts and more about how people like to gatekeep and feel superior to others in just about anything you can like doing in general. You see it all hobbies and jobs online where people just get kinda rude or nasty about a thing if you aren't at the same level of interest or investment that they are.
Agreed. Quite often I'm at the but of jokes because I turn down the sugary milk coffees, and abstain from office coffee made in a machine not cleaned since 1969.
Completely agree. Though pretentiousness comes from one’s (in any hobby) who hold others “lower” than them by the simple fact of the equipment or material choice. Just because someone spends 1000£ on a grinder or ensure they do all 173791 steps for an espresso doesn’t mean they are pretentious. But it is when you stop being inclusive, look down on anyone doing anything less than you, and forget that for some people DO only see it as a commodity and that is ok. That’s when it is pretentious. I’m no coffee enthusiast but I love how far the community of coffee has become. Without most of the equipment that a normal enthusiast would have, I still have learnt so much and that’s what makes any hobby amazing.
I never knew coffee could be a hobby. That's pretty cool. Honestly, your explanation makes a lot of this make so much more sense. It's cool how different people enjoy things in their own way. One man's caffeine juice can be another man's fun and meditative process.
@@charlest5604If you don't think coffee is even the slightest bit interesting and you don't want to see a channel about a guy and his hobbie, then just don't watch the video??
@@firstnamelastname492 Jesus you ARE dense. "How do we (Apple, Samsung) squeeze as much capital out these idiots (phone consumers) [as possible]?" ...By releasing a "new" version of the same phone every year and getting customers to lease one forever. Versus a coffee grinder that you'd buy once. Script = flipped. I'm assuming that since I had to explain it, the obvious irony is/was lost on you. Gee I sure hope that makes sense to you now. Next I can explain that "fire hot".
To be fair, the gear used to make what would be considered today to be mediocre espresso used to be far more expensive than the gear used to make top-tier home espresso today. You can get good quality espresso for a lot cheaper today than you could even 10 years ago.
