Why Are Some Supports Worse Than Others? | Genshin Impact 

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Yes, characters like Bennet and Xinqiu are broken but they can’t whack people over the head with a guitar. Checkmate.

Barbara sometime feel like she does more harm than good against cryo

if there were ever character restrictions in Genshin I feel like resources would need to be given more liberally.

Barbara just heals. Her healing is beyond awesome but.. yeah. She just heals. In a game where dodging and gigathicc shields exist. Her hydro application is very subpar and her burst charges too slow. Xinyan... Honestly I think she's more of an experimental unit. A failed..experimental unit. Too many roles stuffed into one character and too many scalings to fill a dedicated role. Shes like a jack of no trades, master of none.

The biggest problem with Genshin's mechanics, in my opinion, is that while the elemental reaction system is complex enough as it is, the REAL mechanics that actually matter (internal cooldowns, application speed, gauge theory, etc) aren't explained at all. And it's precisely those mechanics that ultimately make characters that superficially seem very similar (Ayato and Childe, for example) actually very different. For a short while, people thought Ayato was better than Childe - he does more on-field damage and he's less encumbered by a lengthy cooldown (although he does have more frequent cooldowns). But after lots of testing it became clear that Ayato's hydro application didn't come close to Childe's, and his potential on Xiangling vape teams was far lower. But that sort of thing isn't explained at all in the game itself.

I feel like Xinyan is used more as a dps because of her split scaling, but I do see her being a support but she normally better off as a physical damage dealer

I do want to say that genshin needs to force diversity in the character we build. We need to push to build different characters. But a HUGE caveat is the very limited resources in genshin. And as long as the resources are this limited the luxury to build more characters will not be incentivized. In order to build characters you need tons of MORA AND RESIN, which you really cant get easily unless you whale. So i see why they dont bump up the difficulty too much, because they put those resource restrictions there, and it would lead to bad player experience if they forced us to build characters with little resources.

Idk if you knew this but you put the only two pairs of playable characters currently voiced by the same va in the English dub on the thumbnail Xinqiu and Bennett-Cristina Valenzuela Xinyan and Barbara-Laura Stahl

Honestly just imagine the possibilities of Xinyan being Electro - physical shredding shield that applies electro periodically at c0, no strings attached, and huge phycial nuke on burst

I feel like “”bad”” (emphasis on the “”) supports are kind of niche, that on top of the DPS check that is Genshin, puts said “”bad”” supports in a really, REALLY stiff competition regarding who gets to be in the party, especially since there are only four slots. Obviously, play whoever you want regardless if they’re “”good”” or “”bad””, this is just my view on it! :)

i think the problem with people not using a lot of the "underrated" supports has more to do with how long it takes to fully build a character. if resin didnt exist i would play around with way more characters, but because it does, i tend to use that limited resource on characters that are the most versitile

as some people have pointed out, while having to use different characters would be nice, the problem is how limited resources for actually gearing those characters are (and how expensive it is to get 5 star units) like, if a f2p player can get a limited 5 star character every 2-3 updates or something, it's not gonna be very fun when some content is released that REQUIRES that character, or maybe a couple of other 5 stars that the player didnt/couldnt pull for either.

It's almost like they did an oopsie with Bennett and Xngqiu and have purposefully been mismatching support kits ever since. Seriously, why the heck does Thoma scale with ATK? Why not HP? ER? Heck, even EM for transformative reactions! Shinobu did it right, why can't he? And his multipliers have no business being that low... Although being super niche isn't an issue for me, making every support universal is a mistake and will slowly push for more and more power creep. Bennett buffing ATK and not DMG overall is going to make him fit the niche of "Supports for ATK scaling characters" seeing how he does nothing with Yelan and possibly future alt scaling characters. Overall, HYV needs to stop being afraid of making strong, niche supports IMO

You completely missed an important reason nobody experiments with alternative supports. Time investment. For every single character you want to raise in Genshin, you need to farm Mora, boss materials, elemental rock candy (lookin' at YOU Ruin Serpent), Purple Toilet Paper, library books, flowers/rocks/cool bugs, enemy garbage, weekly boss bling, and, if you're REALLY investing, three fancy crowns. Then, after that grind, you need to sacrifice your firstborn to RNGesus to give you the correct artifact drops. Artifacts that need to be more exceptional the further you are into world level. And that's just the character. Gotta have an upgraded weapon for them too. It's a LOT of time and resin that goes into every single character you wanna use. So there'd better be some payoff to upgrading a character. It's already hard to justify spending all that on a support who might get 5 seconds of screentime during a fight. Imagine how bad it is for a support that you'll rarely even use. I don't have Itto and I haven't levelled Noelle yet, so why would I even LOOK at Gorou? I've got a Zhongli and a Diano, so what possible reason could I have for putting time into Thoma? I really, REALLY like Cookie's design but I already have plenty of characters who do her jobs significantly better, so how could I take on the sidequest of raising her when my current most used characters aren't even fully kitted out? If not for the fact it'd take nearly a month to fully upgrade a single character (or more if artifacts don't behave) then I would definitely run around the world map with Cookie or Xinyan or Amber. But, as it stands, that's not viable unless I absolutely WANT to. Time investment is one of the biggest roadblocks to trying out new characters.

In all honesty a big reason why I only use about 10 characters is that if I wanna use others. I have to build them. And the amount of time and resources it takes to build a character that I just wanna test out. Frankly ain’t worth it

"bad" characters gets so much shit in this game because of the amount of resources you need to put into them for them to even reach the bottom of what the top tier babies could offer, Genshin is notoriously bad with its stamina system and 180 a day is barely enough to get shit rolling on a new player's account, I get that it's meant to be be this way to prevent overplay and the bad characters just gets the short end of the stick because of this, they take too much investment for their worth, sometimes not only time but money as well why bother farming your ass off for perfect rolls for a char like Xinyan (minmax def/atk/CR/CD) for lackluster performance when slapping the bare minimum (ER/HP/HP) on Diona gives you a better shielder, or building Razor for a better attacker

I feel like content creators who say "Nothing in Genshin is actually difficult" really underestimate how hard Spiral Abyss is for many players

I feel like the game more or less doesn't allow you to experiment with new characters and play styles. Every time you want to bring someone new to the Sypral Abyss, you have to 1) acquire said character through mainly Gacha, 2) farm their materials to bring them to a reasonable level, 3) acquire their artifact, 4) repeat steps 1 and 2 for their weapons. While the good side to this is that it forces you into using characters that otherwise wouldn't (especially when you just started out), the bad side is that once your account has a comfortable roster, you are discouraged from trying out new characters.

I think streamers and RU-vidrs are actually a part of the “problem.” People are more likely to play the characters they like if 100 outside influences aren’t telling them who’s good or bad or broken or whatever. Most of us experienced this early in our genshin playthroughs

(As context, this is in responce to a statement made in the video) Gonna be honest, limiting our charackter choices would kill my enjoyment I play the charackters I really like in genshin, and I also play the characktwrs that make the people I like stronger I'm always gonna value people like kazuhooi and the bennet cause I love Ajax And I'm not gonna care about yunjin till they make a normal atk focused charackter I like (by the way for the people that don't know, you don't just spam normals on Ajax, you use charge atks frequently cause they raise your dps by a good margin)

For me, one of the biggest issues is that Hoyo very rarely will tweak units according to criticism. If say, Amber is bad, well that's just too bad, better just release someone better. Yes, its a single player game that isn't really that hard outside of Abyss, which is just a DPS check and no real test of strategy besides the core gameplay. But that doesn't mean some units can't get some love that have been left in the dust. One of the reasons I don't go for full stars on Abyss is because of how that balancing is, where I'd be greatly encouraged to use just one or two strategies and stick with them. It's really a case of that saying that "if allowed, gamers will optimize the fun out of their game", even if i miss some rewards because I'm using unconventional methods. It's even more sad because Genshin releases units much slower than other gachas may, so it's not like Fire Emblem Heroes, where you're trying to balance literally hundreds of character. Each character can get a more realized and distinct kit, even if it sometimes stumbles a little. tldr; waifu/husbando > meta, if you wanna really enjoy the game 'good enough' is perfectly fine (at least for me)

yunjin and noelle is my new favourite duo. yunjin for the dmg buff and geo battery and noelle for dps + constant heal and shield. so fun to use

Its kinda funny barbruh is more viable as a vape dps than a suppor healer lmao, getting electrocharged, vaped and frozen just by using her does more harm than good, and sadly even then, she is still better than qiqi somehow

To me the issue is rooted with "resin economy" , everything depends on resin , it just feels bad when you invest in someone only to see minor return . If artifact domain cost no resin this can be alleviated greatly since the breathing room to explore the character you pull increased exponentially . But it is impossible since hoyo is based in China which enforce time to game limited by their law , and that's basically what a resin is , a mandatory system ... fragile resin and resin topup are basically a bribe . Tbh it's the worst , but we have to respect it since it's their law . The game actually encourages you to explore character but you just can't . That's why active genshin old guards account are better than new player's since resin spent is actually never lost . Maybe there is a loss , but the loss is minimal . And they will have resin leeway since the character have reached peak potential that can carry them and in a way carry a new character they pulled thus increased the value of resin they stockpiled ... unless rng screw them horribly , a horrid 9-fold rng to stop progress . tl;dr : "any character is viable given the resin you invest in them ... and your luck , but sadly luck and resin are scarce , so scarce it actually preventing you to progress or to explore the character"

4:13 Barbara walking here is so funny. I love making my characters stippy-step :3

We need an event weapon claymore guitar that has Physical Dmg secondary, and crit dmg passive. Would be useful to Xinyan, Razor, AND Eula.

I believe you missed a small but non-trivial point when it comes to roster diversity, the time and cost of getting a character up to snuff. I want to start by stressing that your points are true. I'm not here to debate them, however let's take a look at what it costs to get a character to be viable combat-wise. We'll assume you're AR55 and world level 8, want to ascend the character to the last ascension rank, to level 80, talent level 6/6/6 and want to get decent artifacts for the character. For the (regular) boss material, that will take 46 of their "cores", 1 of the elemental sliver, 9 of the elemental fragment, 9 chunks, and 6 of the gemstones. The character will also need other materials like hiliachurl masks and lamp grasses. Talent material is no better. To get up to level 6/6/6, you'll need 9 green talent books and 63 blue talent books. Past experience has taught me the former will take about 4 to 5 days' worth of resin to achieve and the latter about 3 to 5. This roughly means you'll need about a week and a half to two weeks just to get the character up to these levels. I haven't even taken the artifacts or mora into account yet. A rational decision, with respect to game theory, is defined as making the choice that nets you the biggest payoff. Given this game currently puts a lot of time in between you starting to get them leveled up and them being viable, it'd be a rational decision for players to go only for the characters they'd get the most bang for their buck out of. I think this is part of the reason why Bennett and Ei are so darn popular while Xinian and Lisa aren't. While all four of them take the same amount of time (relatively speaking) to get up to snuff, the former two pay off far and away bigger than the other two.

I have reached a point where “dps check” abyss no longer matters so I can play supports comfortably due to maxing a lot of my characters I made my Qiqi do 10k dmg with 64 crit rate for fun and she is very “viable” as people put it she also cannot die due to her immense healing and highest base def in the game making her remove any painful damage modifiers With Yun-Jin my Qiqi can hit 12-37k per hit allowing her to take a main dps/sub dps role easily Support is a relative term when you’ve finished maxing I have always mained Qiqi anyway I got her when Liyue came out and triple crowned because I love her character and the challenge it imposed It gave my genshin journey so far more meaning like having a travel partner to join you everywhere and watch them grow stronger as time moves on

The thing is that to play the game you only need to do Damage, the only strategy is thinking about how to make rotations be the most effective to do more damage, the best supports only help you in 1 thing...doing more damage, because in the abyss if you aren't doing enough damage, you need to restart and select characters that do more damage...that's it

you can't really "break" compositions by introducing challenges that will require you to level up entirely new set of characters (not even talking about rng factor which may prevent you from having those characters). the leveling resources, money and resin to farm bosses and artifacts is quite limited. so most of the f2p players will just leave due to inability to continue for few weeks (while they'll gather needed stuff). and even some paying players might think about it if it'll happen too frequently. after all they'll spend money on this obligatory stuff instead of pulling a character they'll enjoy (for collection or to play).

Well there is the issue of cost effectiveness. Levelling and gearing a unit, its weapon and talents is expensive. If one unit covers many bases effectively it also saves time, resources und ultimately even real money (resin). Building a niche unit is not only not effective but also a waste of money.

I like that the game does not force me to use certain characters like you are proposing. I like the freedom Genshin gives me to play what I want to play and still be able to clear the content. If I want to use Yunjin as my main DPS with Gorou, Bennett, and Xingqiu as support I can, but if you put in content that forces me to use them then it's going to rub me the wrong way. --- Anyway, good video!

Barbara has carried me through ar 18-48 so she’ll forever have a slot on my teams!

Right now I still use Barbara, but her barely applying hydro without attacking and applying hydro on yourself in a self destructing way makes it so she is not a good option after early game

honestly the worst thing about barbara is not even that she provides nothing but heals, its that she inflicts you with hydro - unlike xinqiu, it lasts for the full 20s duration, making her the absolute worst unit against cryo enemies. xinyan feels a bit stiff to play, not providing the same satisfaction as xiangling or xinqiu while her split scaling is more of a compensation (if you get hp, you don't just get hp) than an actual stat you can rely on for dps (noelle and itto's def)

Just wanted to say, great vid and explanation! But I feel like I need to point out that as someone who us absolutely clueless about mobas and team pvps in general I found the League of League comparisons confused me more than it did clear things up. But as soon as you came back to Genshin, on a more familiar term, I once again understood what the point was. All Im trying to say is I struggled with the League comparisons in these type of videos, so in the end its kind of pointless. But hey thats just me. I feel like most of your audience would understand the comparisons you were trying to make, but I feel like I really have to point this out as an only Genshin player. Excellent work on the analysis video!

People use the same 10 characters because they can't afford more, and this is why the company can't add more restrictions. Ok, so they add a new boss that requires a pyro ranged character to beat but your Amber is level 20 and you didn't get a Yanfei or Yoimiya. Now what? Well, you don't kill that boss. Unlike Pokemon, here you can't just "catch" a new unit and raise it whenever you need to, it takes months of saving primogems, a year of waiting for the rerun and then 2 more months of resin to level them up if you're a hardcore gamer. If you're a causal, you have a 80% chance of never getting the unit necessary and even then it'll take you half a year to level them up, if they even get raised at all - if it takes 30 days of resin if you use it everyday, imagine someone who plays once a week or just for a week every patch to explore the new content. I understand what you say and yes, that would be great, but that could only work if we had 5 times the current amount of free resources, ideally without spending more time on earning them - then and only then can they add enemies that force specific solutions.

I think the big thing that hinders niche characters in Genshin is scarcity. It doesn't matter if there is a situation where Xinyan is better than Xingqiu (against the hydro boss, for example), when Xingqiu is better pretty much everywhere else. It just isn't worth investing in Xinyan. The xp books. The ascension mats. The mora. So much mora. The talent books. And then farming a decent artifact set... And then you can add the impact of constellations on top of that. If that four star isn't on the right banners, well, you might not get that crucial C2 or something, let alone a C6. And then there's the more niche thing. Like say you have the idea to try an EM Clam set for Sayu for when you team her with Kazuha for some reason. Well, the moment you start thinking about what farming the artifacts for that will entail, you'll shelve that idea. Genshin's resource scarcity pushes players into what works across a wide range of things, rather than experimenting or going for the niche. Now, there are situations where that scarcity works in the favor of a four star. If you used your scarce resources to get Itto, well, you'll probably build Gorou because he's good for Itto. But if you don't have Itto? About the only reason you'll up Gorou is to get the free permanent banner wish, barring the rare Noelle main/simp, of course. And that means any Gorou pulls are dead pulls for most players. Was watching a video today on "the meta"... and the guest theorycrafter basically summed it up as "Play national for one side of the Abyss, play freeze/vape/etc on the other". And that's because national, with its mix of elements, offense, and defense, is an omni-group, very good for any situation. When resources are limited, well, it just makes sense for players to build some version of that team.

Your videos are always interesting to listen to, I especially enjoy the way you speak. As someone who really doesn't see what all the fuss is about with "good" or "bad" characters (mainly because I play the game to have fun, so I play whoever I wanna play.. I also don't think it's especially fun to be too overpowered because insta-killing all enemies, outside of Spiral Abyss, means you play less so... where's the fun in that? Unpopular opinion, I know) I still appreciate the way you present the vast majority of player's opinions in a very calm manner. Looking forward to that "underrated supports" video, if you were to make it!

love that you used Ori and the Blind Forest music for this video, it goes really nicely with Genshin gameplay somehow

Xinyan is usually build as a dps, though. She has supporting capabilities, sure, but looking at her talents, constellation and, like, gameplay in general she’s better as a dps

Again, more quality content. Another fun and interesting video on game design, and genshin as a whole :)

i think the diversity of supports makes the game more fun, by now everyone should have bennet and xingqui so why bother get other 5 star support. the thing is we get characters based on what we like in them the most, sure the damage or their potential matters as well but most importantly their personalities, styles, outfits.. cuz in a way or another they reflect our images. Genshin isn't a tough game to play, floor 12 says otherwise but it's not obligatory to progress the story, therefore character selection is based. my opinion 😅

You brought up how physical damage is not interactive with the elements (besides one reaction). I would love to see a video where you proposed a rework for physical damage or a new artifact set that forces physical damage to interact.

Kazuha, kaeya, kuki, barbara. You will enjoy the game with those 3 underrated support, put sacrificial on kazuha if you don't have c2 as kazuha will be the driver

Personally I feel that having broken characters with no particular counter content allows people to play characters they like more easily. For example if someone likes Razor, there's not much content you can use him in comfortably. However, having broken supports around can alleviate the issue of a character themselves not having very high numbers. It even opens up the possibility for people to use characters who aren't strictly a DPS character as such. Seeing people play main DPS Thoma or Barbara simply being able to do so because broken supports like Benny or XQ exist. The moment that Genshin starts introducing content that heavily punishes broken supports is the moment people who main unconventional mains will riot

I disagree about dividing characters to arbitrary good or bad category. For example, yes Xinqui is broken, but he does not work for charged attacks, and that's it, I can't use him. On the other hand, Kokomi is just fine. So for me, she is a better support for my team. Surprise? For anyone who likes the idea of "general good" and "bad" - yes. But there is no "general" category for me because in reality we are always talking about specific account and specific units and teams.

Try this team: Xinyan - main DPS Bennet - does Bennet stuff Zhongli/Noelle - shielder Geo flex - burst support / I use Ningguang Pyro + Geo resonance = more damage A little weaker than superconduct but way more comfy. Buffs, resistance shred, shields. Xinyan and Ningguang's bursts can also hit multiple enemies or single targets like a truck.

Genshin is inherently a dps check game

The "good" supports are the ones that offer a utility that furthers overall damage output. Shields do this by allowing you to power through all damage and just keep attacking. Anemo does this by shredding Resistances. Certain specific characters, like Xingqiu or Mona, do it by special effects or applying elements for reactions consistently. The "bad" supports are the ones that don't tend to further overall damage output. Qiqi tends to only heal. Kokomi was hated for similar reasons to Qiqi until Clam set came out (despite Kokomi actually being very good for hydro application) Barbara would generally be here if not for Thrilling Tales. This is basically how the community tends to view "good" and "bad" in terms of support characters: can them make the damage go higher? And one can't really blame them. The only place that even requires a person to think about team comps is the Abyss, a location of raw DPS checks. More strategy needs to be added to significant gameplay features for the "bad" and more "niche" supports to see more appreciation.

for xinyan, how i went about building her was around her c2. building up as much cd and atk with enough er as i can and making her a phys burst support with 100% cr from the c2. the shield can take a few hits but it isn't a build priority. it's flashy and fun.

Another great video, keep up the good work!

3:38 we'll probaby have Nilou soon, I think? Just speculating on how dendro reactions work and how she convenient looks like a hydro :')

The ori background music hitting so hard man also to comment yeah I agree with the fact that Genshin doesn't have outside factors to make you pull for more characters specifically when that said character won't perform as well compared to your already existing teams

I feel like burning is for pyro physical DPS as a true sunfire build; Xinyan does a lot of damage, has a shield, does a lot of pyro damage given her tankiness, and has phys shred. That plus a strong consistent burn has potential to ramp damage in a way that future characters may put to use very well…

the outro music is so nice

This video was great thanks for making it! Btw without having to absorb an element, Sucrose can still trigger Electrocharged herself! They are called Swirl-Induced reactions! Since Swirl spreads an element, that element can then interact and trigger reactions that scale from Sucrose’s EM! So if Sucrose swirls Hydro and it hits Electro on an enemy, sucrose is the one triggering Electrocharged proc there :o

You're right about basically everything you said, but especially about how absolutely excellent Coliseum and XD were.

as someone who has been playing genshin off and on for a while; I'd also say that a reason to not change from what works is how time consuming it is to get a new character up to par with those I already have kitted out

Well, your Wolf Lord clears put mine to shame. I use a combination of hydro and geo for that boss, but you've made me reconsider my ways.

I'm not sure who might be interested but the background ost of the video is "Riding the Wind" from the game Ori and the blind forest

thank you for your informative vids i really like your content :))

I feel the most sorry for Barbara. Genshin just doesn't have room for a character that ONLY heals and her Hydro DMG bonus to the team isn't worth slotting her.

I rarely think of Xiangling and Beidou as “supports” because of their high energy cost! And their main utility is their damage so going no battery and fulll ER makes it a bit tougher for them to slot in into team! Meanwhile even tho fischl xingqiu do a lot of single target dmg, i still see them as support due to not much energy issues and they can provide a lot of other utility

I definitely agree players will go with what's most comfortable for them. Even if it's not always the most "meta" if you're comfortable with a certain playstyle you can get thru the main content of the game with any comfort team lol. Maybe not spiral abyss, but everything else you definitely can.

I never saw Xinyan as a support and if she was supposed to be then good job Mihoyo lol. To me she was always a Sub DPS for me with her dealing DMG but also providing her shield too. Then u have Barbara as she just healing and that’s it. Just a straight up healer. Although u could use the Ocean set to have her do some DMG while healing. Funny enough Barbara is the only main healing I have on my second account and I had to put the Ocean account so she can do some DMG too until I have someone else built properly for that like Jean or QiQi. Again on my other account not my main one where I have everyone and built.

I recall in one event it was made such that you'd clear a stage, then you couldn't use those characters, and that felt nice, you had to either portion out your good/built chars and reach deeper into the less funded ones. It still rung mostly hollow since the characters were only locked out for 1 round but eh...it was something and it was nice.

Restriction on upgrade ressources makes it much harder and discouraging to try new units cuz building 1 unit might require around a month to fully gear, that time can be spent to get 100 def% artifact 🤡

The background music took me by surprise.

The problem with "difficult" content in Genshin is, that there will be "a few meta teams" that can do the challenge, while non optimized teams wont stand a chance. As (almost) day one player with almost every char and almost perfect atrifacts for almost every possible situation, I have no problem with anything. But that is not the norm. If you require 5 Stars (like Zhongli or Kazuha or Ganyu), or C6 4Star characters, most players wont be able to even attempt the challenge (perhaps for years) because the next rerun of a 5* they desperately need just does not happen and the 4* they need two more constellations for is never in the shop rotation.

If you are f2p, you can't rly try every support... You must choose the ones that will work better so you don't have to farm for ages to compensate that you'll never have the correct weapon or constellations

I think the main issue with “weaker” supports, is a lot of their problems stem from Bennett himself. Both in the fact that by him being ridiculously overtuned they look even worse in comparison, but also because mihoyo is clearly trying to dial back on the mistake that was Bennett and Xingqiu. They didn’t realize at launch how unreasonably broken these characters would end up being and it put them in a bad spot, if they release more 4 stars at that power level they will power creep other older 4 stars even more than they already are, so their solution is to release focused niche characters to work in varying contexts to give them value even over 5 stars in certain comps but still feel like 4 stars and on average be weaker than most 5 stars. The ideal solution to fix both the Bennett issue and peoples complaints at newer 4 stars being weak would be to nerf Bennett and Xingqiu but if they did that, the player base would cause the biggest riot. So they’re stuck now with a character who’s strength is overall harmful to the state of the game with no way around it. So in my opinion I think the weaker supports are fine, I think adding characters with a focus on fun or unique play styles is more important than releasing more meta supports. Xinyan is weak but her gameplay and kit to me is more interesting than the meta characters. I think this game would benefit more from encouraging experimentation and having people use different types of characters and teams. It’s overall very easy to get a simple build of a character done.

the issue i see is ether some systems just outright condradict some cases like xinyans case preventing her to be good outside suuuuuuper specific situations that arnt even that good at, or lack of certain types of accomadating that other variations have that dont exist yet. xiao in particular is screams this where you ether need C4 jean or a +atk% anemo shread support that doesnt exist yet. its like when gorou came and help neolle, albedo and itto the 5 star on the banner he came on that hella bumped those chars usability much better on part with other teams and supports

I entirely agree with this video. Yes genshin gives a diverse amount of options to clear the content in the game but once you find an easy way theres no incentive to spend your resources and indulge into the other options you are given because once you can clear everything one way theres no point in finding another way to do it if theres not some sort of push to do so like rewards for using sifferent teams or characters/enemies making it hard or outright impossible to play the team your currently using

Great video, and here a little side note about Sucrose taser comp. There a fairly common misconception about Sucrose taser on the team's damage distribution. The VERY-vast majority of the team's damage actually came from the direct damage of Beidou Amy and Xingqiu (with the help of VV of-course) + Sucrose's swirl. Electro-charged (trigged by the entire team however only does something like 10% - 15%. That is not to say Electro-charged is bad. Part of the team's survivablity actually came from the the constant Poise reduction from EC and the team won't be the same without it. However, if you are actually planning on building this team, keep in mind that you have to build the Beidou Amy and Xingqiu with the regular direct dmg build instead of stacking EM.

when childe& fischl are on cooldown i slapped with barbara + beidou burst lol it was pretty fun. curious if there is something more to barbara than being a 4 and a hydro application thing that makes her bad. i do use her and it may hold me back but bn and xq mechanics are hard for me to work around for some reason

something I noticed and though was a little sad is that many players are not very keen on things being made to challenge them in using different strategies to beat enemies. with some enemies being unable to take damage because of the shield like fatui and abyss lectors. most people I hear that are talking about it call it tedious and bad because they have to change party or use other elements. same with the new vishaps that took your energy. personally I won't say I am looking forward to having my energy taken or not being able to do damage because of a element shield but I am happy to see them doing at least some things to make me be able to use different units and not be able to only use 10 characters and never give me a reason to change them. I have gone that I have everything that I need and I have no reason to get any other units. I recently pulled for yoimiya but it felt kinda pointless cause I have a hu tao with staff of homa. I love both characters but there is no reason for me to get them despite me loving both. having enemies that fly make me able to use her and find a place to use her on my account because I cannot hit them with hu tao. sadly many people I see talk about this are not happy with the idea of giving enemies mechanics that require you to use different units/wpn types/elements.

As for the question raised at the beginning- about why people discuss character strengths for such an easy game as genshin- I think a lot of it is the resources required. If I'm gonna be farming talent books, boss drops, and overworld items for a week minimum, I want to be sure it'll be worth it, and thats not even mentioning units which require a monetary investment as well

there is 1 more factor in game that affects playes in using supports and that is how much it cost to be usfull if you give succrose just artefact set whit no EM no ER she can be lvl 1 no skill lvls and she will be usable in team and any upgrade after that is just bonus ( same is for kazuha or venti) is not only VV set benet yelan zhongli xingqiu fishle will be good even on low investment so you can spend resources on dps unit and give scraps to support is sort of like funnel strategy in lol

For all we know, this "good" and "bad" labels only apply inside spiral abyss, when you want to conquer it swiftly... Outside of that, the "good" and "bad" labels have different meanings... "Playing just to get however many stars you WANT is so fun" --bwaap

Barbara. I feel so bad for Barbara. I love her so much and she NEVER leaves my overworld team, she was my 3rd character to get max ascended and I've used her so much she's leveled herself up to nearly level 83. But I just can't justify using her in abyss anymore and that's just so sad. The last time I was able to use her was when there was a pyro aura. Her healing is fantastic but that's just all she can do. I can't justify farming a brand new clam set either since even with that she won't provide enough to my best teams. I'm stuck in vv domain forever anyways as an anemo lover so she's still getting artifact upgrades with her maidens set. Hopefully I can get more cons for her as I'm only on c3 now, I still love Barbara and don't plan to stop using her in the overworld.

Oof epic seven in the intro. Var has some good taste

Perhaps why supports like bennett and xingqiu are so "broken" because they're part of the OG 4 stars that are not starters. Back then there were so few units that every gacha character has to matter. And as time goes on, perhaps they want us to explore different play styles, but the former supports have already cemented their positions as the best supports universally. A chunk of the comment section is dissing barbara for inflicting self freeze and self electro charged but let's face it, who uses her against cryo and electro enemies deserve to get frozen and electro charged respectively, especially when they don't know how to i-frame? There's diona for that. And let's not forget that we get barbara for free. A free healer. She gets a ton of utility now with hakushin ring and 4pc clams. She's also usable for perma free with ttds and 4pc tenacity since her ring inflicting wet refreshes the tenacity buff. You just need to hug the enemy. The best option? No. But is she usable if you have no other options? Yes. If one builds her as a dps, she's quite decent because of her element(doing vaporize). At least dishing out more damage compared to a dps kuki, who recently came out. Does more than dps gorou who came out not long ago. Does more than dps thoma who came out not long ago. Does more than dps yunjin who came out not long ago. A free unit, so what's there to complain? You just need to know when to use certain supports and when not to. The game is not rocket science.

Honestly, I like it when there’s a large variety of support units. This way after seeing their design, voice, personality, and weapon, I can then choose who I like (example: I don’t use Bennet or Xingqiu, tho I used Xing for a short bit only cause he was like the only hydro I had until Mona…and I don’t like Barb lol) and go about my day.

some of characters waiting to new characters that can synergy like old ones like Xingqiu, Bennett, Sucrose etc.

13:44 Well to be fair, I would be a lot more open to experimenting with characters outside my usual 8 if the grind to get them up to speed weren't so bothersome. Getting the right artifacts, plus grinding Mora/Exp Cards isn't really my definitition of fun anymore so I'll stick to my established characters.

Maybe players would experiment more with characters if it wouldn't take like 300(+) domain runs only to get some artifacts, let alone farm the mora to lvl the talents... did I mention talent materials? also weapon materials? it takes a few weeks at best to fully gear up a character, let alone if you are unlucky (and that you ARE)..

It would also be cool to have SA designed to suit some special supports. Not only dps characters. And to not completely demanding the newest 5* I mean like imagine a domain somewhat designed for shinobu

Started watching for the Genshin content, stayed for the Ori OST in the background. Still one of the greatest games I've ever played.

After finishing this, now I want the Underrated Supports video

There's a lot of factors into why a support is bad, or why they're good. I'll give you some examples Xinyan is bad because her kit is badly designed, and her niche is bad. Physical damage in general is rather lackluster because it lacks good supports and synergy. Xinyan would be the best support if her kit wasn't badly designed. She gives you physical damage bonus, physical resistance shred, a shield so you don't get interrupted while doing NAs, and she has a physical burst with good damage. Even if she's pyro that doesn't actually pose a problem since that just means she's better with Bennett for the pyro resonance. However: Her shield sucks because not only does it have a long cooldown, but it also scales off defense. This is literally the only part of her kit that scales off defense, which is ridiculous. The fact that you have to choose between a good burst vs a good shield completely tanks her utility. If they had made her physical part of her burst scale off defense, then she'd be a lot better. Another thing is that to access her parts it's dependant on her shield, from being protected to hitting the original attack, and her shield sucks because you usually don't want defense. Yet another issue she has is that she generates very little particles, and there's no space in physical teams to run her with Bennett. Her kit is lackluster, she suffers from 4 character syndrome, and her niche is pretty bad Kuki is bad because she has virtually no niche. The only thing that she can bring to the table is electro healing, which is a nonexistent niche. Everything else is covered by another Unit. Not to mention the problems in her kit like her abysmally low scaling, and the fact she's the one who often needs healing. Heizhou is bad because he gets completely outclassed by Sucrose in every single way. He's a complete downgrade and doesn't provide anything that Sucrose can't do better. They went too hard on his skill, the rest of his kit got completely neglected

i overinvested in xinyan's shield (full def, talent lvl 12) and its still weaker than paper :( then i got yanfei to c4 and her shield lasted longer without me ever trying to make it sturdier (i did build tankfei later and woah i am now immortal :)

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In a game with mostly time based and rapidity fighting (abyss/domain), the main thing making a support character good or nit is how much they can improve the team to clear content faster. Healers kinda contradict that by taking time out of you fight to heal yourself. Healing doesnt increase your attack or doesnt do damage, unless you use ocean hued clam, which is already very weak in its damage output. Even then, you still need to stay alive, but certain characters can just do more than simple healers, characters like bennett and zhongli, which do that, but also increase your teams overall damage. Most dedicated healers are at the bottom of the meta, or at least none of them are high tier. Healing could probably be buffed with an artifact set that increases damage outpout of your team by a percentage of the healing past 100%.

Just a weird thought, one way to clearly destroy the current stagnant "meta" (namely Xingqiu and Benny) is to create an enemy that inflicts an effect that reverses attack and defense stat or something similar. This might work since you can still use shields to block it (if it's possible) or dodge it like when dealing with hounds (corrosion). P. S.: it doesn't also impedes with some of the characters with different scaling/hybrids like Yelan, Hu Tao or Yunjin.

I feel like if they added a burn version of the physical dmg increase reaction, Xinyan would be great. And it makes sense! have you ever had a third degree burn that you simply bumped on a shelf- hurts like absolute hell. Maybe hydroxpyro, like vaporize does this. That would be devastating irl, why isn't it in game? If this were a thing, Xinyan and Kokonut would be the new morgana team comp. Though I can undertsand if they refrained from this out of respect to burn victims. That would make sense.

13:23 okay, Yun Jin or Gorou, sure, but Beidou? Beidou is a primary off-field damage dealing consideration for any team that isn't explicitly against using electro.

1 think vars Xinyan c6 works a bit weird Where there is a buff that actually buffs all her dmg once she charge atk and there is a small window after the charge atk it is still up so u can charge atk into burst to have the burst do more dmg

IDKDK. I never did build Bennet or Xingqu, found Sucrose to be confusing to use, and didn't get Xangling till mid game (I was confused as to how you got her for free). I built other units and managed well enough with Eula, Yanfei, Noelle and Rosaria. My team had NO synergy but it worked.