Why did Jumbo-Visma CHASE Jonas Vingegaard? | Vuelta a Espana 2023 Stage 15 

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He Will smash Them all

Which stage ?

@@leonmuller3169 stage 17

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That's a significant part of what you've been watching since early 2022. Merijn Zeeman asked Erik ten Hag for advice re team building because of his total football experience. One of the reasons I wonder why (even some Dutch) people keep expressing disbelief at the idea that they're truly riding the way they're clearly riding at the moment. Moving from the more traditional patrón plus lowly domestiques in a super macho sport, to an understanding of how being a true team will actually be much better for them and get them better results, at least till the rest catch up.

Oh, yeah, also one of the reasons Roglič likely wasn't just joking when he said ahead of the 2022 TdF that Jonas was their main leader, and before this Vuelta that Sepp might win it.

Dutch are the most narcissic people in Europe. They have so much ego... Looking forward to see how that team goes in the months/years to come, when they'll win absolutely everything and they will just fight each others. I bet they will fall apart.

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I was thinking he would steamroll past those two and hope to hold it to the line. But, can't guess what was in his legs, maybe he needed that last K to sit on an recharge?

I thought the other two guys waited for him, so it was fair Play Not to attack Directly?

@@Schneebauer. they were definitely not "waiting" for him

@@ultimatist according to Spanish Media Rui Costa did wait for Kamna, but I have just seen the covers so I don't know where they got the information from

Wow, that might actually have worked. Easy from here I suppose.

For real, that was some next level situational awareness.

Great example of being the number 3 guy in the team and still being as switched on as he was as number 1, during the Tour de France.

JV rise him good~

what? it was a coincidence he looked behind as he moved out of the line and saw Soler already coming... pretty easy to start ramping up his own cadence to mark it. THen it's Kuss who doesn't follow - and is looking at Mas to defend his placing... who doesn't come through, and thus the 2 get a gap quickly.

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GC Kuss GC Kuss GC Kuss

No they’re not. Jonas will take it for himself

"jonas go kill this breakaway and no witnesses" 🔥🔥🔥🖋🖋🖋

LOL I almosrt gave you a like until I saw the "climate emergency" bullshite!

@@dkvikingkd233you’re so cool

@@quadzilla98 just like the planet I'm from😄

move to antarctica hypocrite@@quadzilla98

You have to close Jonas down if you're Jumbo. Especially with the amount of sickness running through the riders.

They didn't chase down Jonas, they chased down the breakaway group. @@luckyspurs

Yes, but not in a good way...

Good point. Get yourself into a corner so to speak?

Sounds like a good problem to have

Why are people trying to see a problem with the situation JV is currently in. They wouldn't risk a Vingegaard vs. Soler situation while they can simply be in the top 3 with 3 riders when they countered that attack.

Absolutely! Jumbo has incredible depth and everyone's been riding extremely well. It's good strategy to keep the top three guys riding as co-leaders as long as possible, since that gives Jumbo three chances to win the Vuelta and a shot at sweeping the podium. If one of them falters, Jumbo can shift them to domestique mode at that point, and I have no doubt they would do so. Also, if Ayuso manages to displace one of them, I'm sure Jumbo would switch to a single-leader-surrounded-by-domestiques format to protect (or try to regain) the red jersey. However, if all three stay strong (and lucky -- no crashes or mechanicals) and keep the podium spots, I expect their relative positions will be sorted out by the mountains. I'd love to see Kuss win the Vuelta, but he's riding in his third grand tour this year while Roglic and Vingegaard each skipped one, so I don't know whether his legs will hold up in comparison with theirs. Kuss has looked really good so far, but the last week will be brutal and there's no way to gauge how much he'said got left in the tank. In contrast, Roglic was able to take time after the Giro to recover before preparing for the Vuelta. He came here as Jumbo's team leader; if he hits another level next week (as I've seen him do in other races), he could ride away from everyone on L'Angliru. Vingegaard didn't have the recovery and prep time of Roglic, but he got stronger each week of the TdF. If he's able to repeat that pattern at the Vuelta, he'll probably take the jersey on Stage 17 and keep it all the way to Madrid. There's also the possibility that Ayuso will have a phenomenal Stage 17 and end up with the jersey. I don't think that's likely to happen, but I'm not ready to count him out. Should be a great week of racing, no matter who wins!

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Remco will win Vuelta because he will breakaway next week in the mountains and win by 30 minutes! I call it first here!

@@mracer8😂😂😂😂This is not video game.

​@@mracer8 Remco had a great win yesterday but the only reason he was allowed to get so far ahead is because he is no longer a GC threat anymore after his bad day.

​@@mracer8tbh would Love to see it but not really reality

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I would agree. That a successful race imo

One of the commentators mentioned the top 10 thing. I wouldn't have thought Remco would care that much, though - KOM + 2 stages probs better

Wouldn't everyone call that a success, with already two stage wins on top?

Remco told Belgian journalists that he’s planning in loosing a lot more time on tuesday, in order to recover for wednesday and not present himself as a threat anymore to the GC guys - top 10 seems unlikely then I guess

@@arendwillems9271 yeah true just read that. Top 10 doesn't mean much anyway compared to stage wins and KOM

Sucks that kamna crashed, then Costa wouldnt have won and buitragos mission would have succeded

He doesn't need bigger balls, he needs bigger legs. Watch the final sprint, Costa's clearly working with more powerful bio-pistons than the other two. Look at the size differential between Kamna and Costa coming across the line.

I hate to see anyone crash, but arguably Kamna would've had less of a lead if he'd been riding conservatively enough to avoid crashing, in which case Costa might have won anyway. As it was, the cat-and-mouse between Costa and Buitrago (plus how quickly Kamna got back on the bike) gave him a second chance at the stage, but Costa was just too strong at the finish.

The Vuelta is kind of the “low budget” grand tour.

Because EuroSport is busy showing women's triathlon reruns from April.

who do they want it to go? They want sepp to wwin?

They've decided that GC Kuss makes for a better story. Which it probably does, and I do like the guy, but seing TJV basically being free to decide the race between them as they see fit isn't much fun as a viewer.

Let’s see if kuss cracks on the angliru how much they’re on board. There’s no way either of these two are happy to sacrifice a grand tour, especially roglic who’s been preparing since the giro and isn’t getting any younger

@@jmsytbeyeh jumbo could see it as a way to sell themselves in the American market

@@HkFinn83 They're looking for a new main sponsor as well, so having a nice fairy tale story like this probably doesn't hurt. Everyone likes GC Kuss, after all.

Is it really that smart to always do less than the others so that nobody wants to work with you? he is already known for that

@@permerte5118 it's a thin line, but in general it's smart if you have a sprint like he has

Because his waving his arms around behaving like he has anything so say about "pulling". Sure it's clever, doesn't mean it's not annoying to looking at someone pulling the attitude.

@@suhr12 he's trying to get in the other riders head, nothing wrong with that too

Buitrago did on last climb every work not Costa😂

I don't remember how he rode when he won the world road race championship, but today was all about strategy.

Christian Vandevelde over on Peacock says the riders would joke that Costa would count his pedal strokes during each stage. He called him "cold blooded". High praise actually

I caught that comment, too. I know some cycling fans don't care for Costa, but I enjoy watching a cagey cyclist outthink the competition the way Costa did for this win. (Maybe a little of that will rub off on Evenepoul, who might have taken the stage if he'd been just a bit more strategic and not done quite as much work throughout the day.)

SIESTA DAY TODAY

Also for Roglic’s podium.

Source ? I think you just dreamed it 😂

@@annegkst8266 Danish media outlets TV2 and BT

Danish media is saying absolutely literally nothing of the sort. Just in the unlikely case that anyone would believe that comment.

Ten reps = doing an exercise ten times One rep = one time. Rep is short for repetition, better luck next time

He’s using his companions desire to be on the podium against them. He’s also maximizing his sprint ability. Seems legit.

Christian Vandevelde spoke about it. Called Costa "cold blooded" but said it admiringly

I actually wonder this, too. I don't know if the DS could have realized what was happening that quickly, just seemed like a quick in-race decision from Jonas which is kinda fascinating as we seemingly don't see those often.

@@josephsong8911 I assume they were talking about the decision to follow Soler's wheel

I think the team has decided that if someone that's dangerous goes from long range, Jonas follows. He's worst in the GC currently and probably is the best at these longer efforts. This way they can 1. force other teams to chase, 2. demotivates a lot of guys in that escape group from riding and 3. if they somehow can't bring the escape group back and they take a load of time, they still have someone first in GC.

​@@Timqweyep, furthermore maybe Roglic isn't feeling super good

@@Timqwevery good point

Problem is that he gets frustrated then when no one will work with him. Time trialling can mean you end up as Billie no mates.

he countered soler's attack

@@sobangja As if other teams would have let Soler have a free pass (teams like BORA and Movistar for example)

He's defending his podium position.

​@pauljansen1137 Bora had Vlasov in that move. It's just extra insurance. It demotivates many of the guys in the front group riding with Soler and Vlasov and on the off chance you can't bring it back and the escape group takes minutes, you still keep the #1 GC spot

He was controlling the race with ease.

Did you watch stage 14 yesterday? No one in the break wants him there after that.

Kuss is one of the main reasons vingegaard and roglic won their gcs. Van aert is nice but cracks in mountains kuss is the last man

@@miekaaahh he’s a great domestique i know, probably the best in the world at that. I still want Jonas to win.

@@MarkTomeh it's fair, I just think kuss deserves it for the work he's done. Just no charity I want roglic and vingegaard to show how strong they are

Jonas should win

If Kuss win its because Jonas want that else he will destroy both of them Kuss n Roglic on stage 17

Patrick? You’re kidding, right?

I thought the same but I'm starting to get the felling that they will support Kuss until Madrid...unless he cracks. Riders some time have bad days and if he loses 2 minutes he's back on domestic duty