Why Every Halo Killer Failed 

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In the end, the Halo killer was itself.

Halo fans: It sucks that 343 killed Halo. Sony: Were it so easy.

Glad you brought up Republic Commando as a good halo-inspired example. If only Imperial Commando was made.

15:43, they probably had so many generic human enemies because it enabled them to just use pre-existing animations from an asset library.

TBF to Killzone, the devs have said that they never intended it to be a Halo killer, it was just incorrectly marketed.

About the dude bro thing: Halo is one of the rare games that both dude bros and geeky guys (like me) loved. Halo used to be both a simple shooting game with deeper mechanics and an action film with deep sci-fi lore. I think that it's one of the reason of Halo's success.

Timestamp for game : 3:23 : Chrome 5:33 : Warhammer 40k Fire Warriors 9:11 : Chaser 10:14 : Killzone 12:10 : Star Wars Republic Commandos 13:57 : Area 51 15:09 : Pariah 16:24 : Resistance Fall of Man 20:22 : Timeshift 20:58 : Crisis 23:02 : Haze 27:12 : The Conduit 28:12 : Turok 2008 29:57 : Nova

Turok also had a cool feature I haven't seen in another game before, slowly releasing the trigger on the controller with the bow drawn slowly releases the string and you save the arrow.

I remembered how Unreal was called a "Quake clone" or a "Quake killer" when it was first released. It didn't kill Quake nor was it a clone of it.

I was there 1,000 years ago when Halo came out. I remember playing it at GameStop. Every game prior to it felt claustrophobic and dark but Halo was like stepping outside for the first time.

Its not just sophisticated ai goals, but also enemies with enough hp to achieve those goals. I dont think its enough to have a beefy bulletsponge enemy, its also important to have them actively trying to achieve something (other than defeating the player, but still in service of doing so).

No wonder many of those "Halo killers" developers ended working on 343i's Halo.

Your last video is correct about people not understanding halo. The average person will look at halo and think "COD but in space" and just try to do that, but people fail to realize halo is not your typical FPS. It has a lot of quirks to it that make it stand out and changing those quirks is what makes it not halo. Even Microsoft and 343 seem to not understand what halo is. So far the only people who have come close to understand halos gameplay are the devs of splitgate

Resistance was such a good game. I remember the huge multiplayer battles as well. I really really liked it

The music and story of pulling together like "we got this!" Is what sums up Halo to me. In fact that's what made Reach such a hard hitting story was that the good guys didn't win.

I'll never forget that my first Doom experience was playing Chex Quest, which was just a cheap reskin of the original you could find in a cereal box 😒

I think having a lot of enemy diversity is really important. Memorable looking enemies each with very distinct roles in combat that are predictable so that you can strategize around them

The tau warrior not knowing how to use melee is just accurate

A Halo Killer you forgot is Darkwatch, imagine Halo but with vampire powers and in the Wild west, it even had a recharging shield system and the grenade-melee thing, I replayed it a few years ago and wasn't as bad as I thought it would be

idk who made 343i, but that was an extremely effective Halo killer

It’s interesting how Halo CE looks downright fast compared to those Halo killers.

I think the secret to Halo, that these other companies didn't get, was that Halo was raw passion. Bungie cared about so many minute details that most developers would overlook, even today. Bungie would argue with each other over anything and everything, it seems, because everyone wanted the game to be the best it could be. Everyone involved believed in the game. These other shooters were just people making a product. While Bungie was making deliberate decisions to *ensure* the game was timeless, the other studios were just *hoping* the game would be timeless

I loved Halo 1-3. Story, gameplay, music, atmosphere, those just hit right. Especially Halo 3 will always have a special place in my heart.

Dope retrospective. To answer your question about what makes Halo, Halo, I would need like 10 paragraphs. But in short: A big part of what makes Halo, Halo, is the theme. It has more of a comic-book-like feel to it. Like, the Halo live-action series for example, there is a scene where two kids on a scrap planet are being chased by guards, and the little boy gets beaten to death by a baton. That's literally not Halo. Halo is you and your friends, driving a Warthog over grassy hills, blasting evil aliens (and working with really cool aliens). It's rated M, but it's not grotesque or disturbing. It feels more like you are in a Saturday morning cartoon, rather than a dystopian-realistic-type thing. So, nailing the theme is a huge part of Halo. (I'm not saying make Halo for kids, I'm just saying it should feel more like Chief is a superhero going into battle, rather than a sad story about humanity dying) As for gameplay, all they needed to do to succeed was continue what it was. Why does 343 keep trying random crap? Just copy Halo 3, but add more levels, add cool and interesting characters and stuff, keep the gameplay mostly the same, etc. IMO, the best thing Halo could do right now is just do DLC for Master Chief Collection (And eventually make a direct sequel to Halo 3 that continues what Bungie started, rather than let a janky studio try to put their stamp on the franchise). More multiplayer maps, more Firefight maps, just make the same content but more of it! No need to try and reinvent the wheel here. Oh, and how about more split screen. It would be tight to go through the Halo trilogy with 4 people on 1 TV and to play Firefight with 4 people on 1 TV.

Physics is what makes Halo. The interactability with the environment is the core of Halo. Beyond even the A.I and the gunplay. I remember the first time I drove the warthog, and hit a sick jump! THAT was the moment, I Fell in love with Halo. The landscapes became a playground of high speed drifting and vehicle flips. I'll never forget the surprise of the banshee after rescuing the group of Marines, and how it can become an epic vehicle chase through the canyons, as it tries to crash into you. More over, that whole experience can be drastically different each time you play Halo. Because, Halo gives you freedom, you don't even have to use the warthog. You can take on that same banshee, in a climactic stare down, with just your courage and a well-placed grenade. Halo Lets you write the action scenes, it gives you all the tools to make this sandbox your castle. And that sandcastle can be as grand, or as ridiculous, as you want it to be. I will always love Halo because it empowered me as a player, instead of dragging me along as a spectator.

Shield lets you be reckless for a period of time. Go hard, and if you succeed, your shields will recharge on thew ay to the next encounter. Compared to HP points which encourage you to avoid all damage at all costs.

I've noticed that the good "halo killer" games take inspiration from halo to create something unique. Kinda like how dead space took inspiration from resident evil 4 but ended up being a unique game.

Halo is about 2 things: figuring out which weapons laying on the ground to take with you into the next segment, and enemies that react dynamically to what weapons you use

"these games were halo made by people who hate halo" so this is what 343 halos in the 2000s would have looked like. fascinating...

About your recurring point of only using boring human weapons and enemies: That seems to be a trend in a lot of sci-fi games. Take the futuristic COD games, Titanfall (at least in terms of the regular weapons), and Valorant. You have so much potential for new weapons we've never seen before, and you make a space AK.

Love seeing some Republic Commando appreciation, such an underrated game. I'm not much of a Star Wars fan these days, but I still wish it got a sequel.

Resistance and Killzone were great games I loved playing them when I was younger

Killzone was a great series. The first one was comparatively rough but it had its own thing going that really made its own. They liked trickling weapons throughout the campaign so it's just ISA and Helghast rifles at the beginning. The different characters you play as have their own stats and they have their own weapon proficiency, some characters have alternate paths. It makes me wish they kept that aspect in the later games but they more than made up for it with the fun multiplayer, and the feel of the weapons.

To be fair to Morrowind movement: The speed and intensity of your jumps (and recovery from them and the amount of fatigue used by running and jumping) is affected by your stats and having a high speed, acrobatics athletics (and if you have any movement buffs like the Boots of Blinding Speed) you can basically bunny hop across Vvardenfell like you just came out of an arena shooter. I mean, I guess the movement doesn't feel *as good* but the raw speed is up there for sure.

Killzone will always have a special place in my heart. I actually really liked it despite it being so obnoxiously over-the-top and generic. But underneath it all, there's actually some interesting parallels and anti-parallels to our own history. It's also got some of the coolest enemy designs I've seen. There's almost nothing (other than Jin-Roh itself) that can create such a ghoulish design out of red eyes and a gas mask. Had it not been released or marketed around Halo's primacy I think it would have turned out liked. (Also, if the writing was a bit better). The series might be dead as hell and considered trash but I think it's a bit of a gem. In retrospect, it's the Helghast who made the series memorable for me and I wish they were better utilized instead of being generic space communist Nazis fighting against generic space United Nation grunts. (Side Note: The Resistance series also has a place in my heart despite it being crappy looking back. But once again, it was the Chimera who made the story and game interesting).

just so you know, the chrome movement you were describing is due to a bug that happens when the framerate goes over 60. it's actual movement is alot better.

Without terrible halo killers, Oboeshoesgames wouldn’t have a career

The end of this video hits the nail on the head with regards to explaining why halo was the way it was gameplay wise. It was so thoughtfully put together, and that's why it mogged all it competition for years. Nice video, based halo enjoyer.

Killzone 2 was ahead of it’s time

"The enemies seem to die easily and don't have shields." *Um sir, you are fighting the imperial guard. That's like their whole point lmao."

I actually really liked the Area 51 game, really thought the gunplay was tight especially the AR felt great to use. I also liked scanning stuff, uncovering secrets, and reading the lore you unlock.

About the damage type system: it's incredible how it has been copied by RPGs more than FPS. Like Mass Effect for example.

Very nice video bro, obviously you put a lot of effort on this one, wish you the best

By the way, Killzone did not fully fail. There was a clan over on Halo 5 that emulated it to a T and is still out there waiting for their chance to be reborn. They emulated the Helghast.

I think the magic of halo is the fluid sandbox that makes every enemy encounter feel unique. Me and my buddies would sit at the lunch table telling different “war stories” often from the same levels. That and the enemy personality making you feel like a force of nature at times as you go.

The Halo formula would fit amazingly with a Warhammer 40k setting.

I think it would be safe to say that, just as how games in the had taken the wrong lessons from Half-Life (Linear, cutscene-to-cutscene gameplay through levels postmarked so heavily that you begin to question where the cutscene ends and the game begins with an uninteresting narrative), games took the wrong lessons from Halo, even Halo itself to a degree - What Bungie had made as this sci-fi epic, detailing the downfall of a vast alien empire with Mankind finally regaining its footing in the galaxy, with complex but engaging level design, a good mix of on-foot and vehicle gameplay with interesting weapons and an engaging narrative, other developers had seen as just another sci-fi shooter with extra steps - Pew pew laser guns and the occasional car. Where Halo's weapon and vehicle sandbox encourages the player to experiment, a _ton_ of other shooters from this era saw that weapon and vehicle sandbox as little more than a means to an end, while also following the same design trend as more typical shooters from the time - Your pistol is the first weapon you receive and is borderline useless, you only get the most powerful weapon at the very tail end of the game and it is _exceedingly_ rare, while vehicles are exclusively for getting from point A to point B. In desperate attempt to _kill_ Halo, sci-fi shooters from this time forgot that there's a difference between taking comfortable inspiration (Halo, after all, had been inspired by and made frequent reference to Bungie's earlier Sci-Fi shooter Marathon) and maliciously trying to overcome (Just look at the number of import/tuner inspired racing games that came out in the wake of Need for Speed Underground and Underground 2).

This was a trip down memory lane, thank you for this video!

Don't know about the "Halo formula", but every time i try to describe CE, 2, 3 and Reach, the formula that I usually come up with is following: 1. Intelligent and capable enemies, avare of their surroundings 2. diverse and balanced arsenal of vehicles and weapons, available both to the player and said enemies 3. puzzle like level design with multiple layers and sideways, to allow constant change of pace and flow of a combat 4. constant emphasis on and implementation of physics into the gameplay to (once again) diverse the said gameplay 4. Story, paced well enough to allow constant change of the surroundings (forest, beaches, winter, swamp, desert, space ship etc etc) and types of puzzle-levels (corridors, caves, big open spaces and the rest of this stuff) 5. Art design, that allows to easily distinct types of enemies one from the other and locate them on the battlefield So yeah - basically you need to constantly keep things fresh and add different variables that affect the gameplay. No wonder we haven't seen new 'Halo Halo" in years... Plus well written and directed story, plus multiplayer maid for casual fun first, plus the music, plus the atmosphere, created by attention to small details, plus various social interactions and etc etc P.s. sorry for occasional pain in your eyes, english isn't my first language ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Nova 2 was stupid hard

These FoVs is killing my eyes

“Why every Halo killer failed” 343: Allow us to introduce ourselves

Excellent vid. I would add as well the enemies were designed to stand out from the backgrounds. The world may have been earthy and neutral colours, but the enemies were bright almost fluorescent reds, greens, yellows and blues, whereas in Killzone you’re fighting grey enemies on a grey map, or Resistance it’s brown enemies in a brown world.

I loved pretty much all of the Turok games when I was a little kid. The rebooted Turok was my favorite compared to the others, mainly because at the time the graphics were pretty good and the gameplay was awesome. Plus, you know, shooting and killing dinosaurs, and the Wolfpack guys were badass. A neat feature that I've always loved about that game was when you would watch Wolfpack soldiers patrol around an area, the LED lights around where their eyes are on their helmets would change different colors depending on the situation. Blue would be not on alert or in combat, yellow would be caution and seeking out whatever noise something made, and of course their helmet's eyes would turn red during combat.

36:20 So the recharging shields are good because it doen't tie down the player to the developer's wishes but the two weapon system is good because it allows the devs more influence in the game?

Timesplitters II even says 'move over halo' on the back cover

Killzone 2 and 3 were incredible games

- "Id Software was fizzling out" - Shows Quake 3 and Doom 3 That's less fizzle ,more oil fire.

How do you make a warhammer game and have little too no enemy variety. Orks, the imperium, necrons, Eldar, chaos, tau, tyranids, so many different things too fight, and that's just some of the major factions not even including the sub factions or actual units.

honestly i feel the more impressive thing about star wars commandos is less the games alright quality, and more that commando clones stuck around in star wars cannon. they even survived the disney purge.

On the subject of Halo as "imperialist propaganda" that was brought up during the Haze segment: I think it was BDobbinsFTW who compared the story thematically to Well's War of the Worlds with Britain and the UNSC being both imperialist powers who get their ironic comeuppance from the more advanced alien imperialists.

I know it isn't an FPS, but the peeling and dismemberment combo in the Dead Space Remake is not just aesthetic- some weapons peel flesh better, while others break bone better. Learning to use the two is really fun and it is quite deep. A different take on a shield system...great vid.

It's crazy to think that in an alternate reality, Playstation might have had a Warhammer 40k FPS series to compete with Halo.

Haze 2: Halo's Done For Now

Section 8 could be considered a "halo killer", another mid to late 00s scifi space shooter with vehicle combat I have fond memories, but I don't know how well it holds up

Republic Commando is pure perfection. Who wouldn't wanna play as a member of a Spec Ops team in the Grand Army of the Republic???

Turok 2008 was amazing it's a shame that part 2 cancelled, as a matter of fact me and all my friends still play Turok 2008 on the Xbox 360 every Saturday and we upload most of our videos...... almost to 300 now lol

I think crysis was the last time I realized my pc was woefully underpowered for what I was trying to play. I don’t think the pc gamers have seen a power jump like that since. I was intrigued enough that I powered through the terrible performance.

Halo also had its iconic title screen music. Still one of the best to date.

I’ve been thinking about your final question for some time now, but I think I have finally got it. The most important part of the Halo experience is the social aspect. All of my best memories of the game involve playing with a friend. It’s the reason the game was such a big hit in the first place. If I were to make a Halo clone I would go as far as to make three-seat vehicles the meta for big team battle. I might go further and let players piggyback on each other.

I think the essence of Halo has to be how it's physics lets you interact with it's environments. Most essentially how the unique movement makes you feel. The perfect blend of speed, momentum, low-gravity jumping, floatiness, and a player body beholden to physical collisions. How versatile it is and how much you can experiment. The other physics in the games world. Projectiles, explosions and other collisions. The perfect art style and deep universe lore surrounding it. And the music to tie it all together. It becomes apparent its hard to even boil halo down to a simple element unless you're talking just about gameplay, because it's such a masterpiece that works so well iyou dont even notice it, like oxygen or water: it's just taken for granted.

15:34 "these games were halo by people who hated halo" oh shit 343 were making games longer than I thought.

I would disagree that Chrome was a Halo clone. Dunno about Poland, but in Russia console gaming faded into the background after gen 3/4 cause PCs became affordable and could do much more than just play games, also pirating games for them was a no-brainer and didn't require any hardware modifications. So games like Halo were largely unknown, instead everyone was trying to make an "Unreal Tournament killer" or "Doom 3 killer". And Chrome looks like a regular tactical FPS in a sci-fi setting.

Honestly what makes Halo "Halo" to me is the atmosphere. The mystery in Halo was absolute perfection. It never felt like the mysteries in Halo were just nothing burgers that were there to drive the story. The interactions between the 4 factions was great too. The alliances and betrayals in Halo's story was also amazing. Who would have ever thought that you'd fight side by side with The Flood in Halo 3? The betrayal was obvious, but it was so unique and awesome.

That deadpan delivery about keeping a whole arsenal keistered like a prison shank in Res: Fall of Man caught me completely off guard, almost choked on my drink.

I googled articles about halo killers and played them none play like halo

*in monotone voice* "Halo 3 is a jaw dropping, xbox classic, mouth watering, atmospheric, spine tingling, bone chilling, slow burning character driven, genre defining gem that when playing its multiplayer maps alone will give you this sense of dread, unlike god of war... in halo 3 you will be met with this feeling of unease as if this map is supposed to have people but it doesnt"

3:03 "Halo was a bit of a sleeper hit" *smacks snoozing grunt* cheeky bastard dont think i didnt notice

The biggest irony of this all is how we have a sci-fi FPS vacuum. With every shooter being a hero shooter or battle royale these days, it's really surprising that no one's stepped up to fill in the empty slot Halo left behind. If Sony wanted a Halo killer, now is the best and potentially only chance they have, before someone else does it first

I have been wanting to make a game for ages, and Halo was always my favorite. Recently started learning ue5 to fulfill that dream, even if it ends up bad. Love the information in the video regardless.

The basics of Halo CE to me are 1. Interesting environments. Vast yet finite. Great use of lighting. Neat architecture. Snow and giant evergreen trees. 2. Great controls, weapons, and enemy/marine AI. It is easy to pick up and play for the uninitiated, but also has a decent depth of learning curve. 3. Incredible sound design, from player voices to sfx to the music. Especially the music. Great sounds are KEY to any video game or movie imo, psychology plays a big part there. 4. The story and cutscenes make you feel small, put you on the run and push you to make drastic decisions, but the game play does nothing but make you feel invincible. I mean, look how far you can throw that grenade. The Marines love you whenever you show up. Oh your fav game has a rocket launcher? This one has a DOUBLE BARREL rocket launcher. Soon you will use it as a pillow after "The Library"... 5. This one is just... Love. Lol idk man I really think the guys at Bungie loved their job when they were making the first Halo game, and that passion was able to seep through at least 3 games... I also get that feeling from Perfect Dark (ironically bc a bunch of ppl were leaving Rareware to start Free Radical; more games for us) but from what I understand there were very few meetings with the suits regarding deadlines for features or calling the shots on how to make the most money. The programmers and devs just got to do whatever they thought was cool and what they could make work. Unfortunately nowadays it seems like you've got to "kill" someone or something else to get ahead, I feel like this is what has led to the absolute state of the modern game industry. Some kids have fun building sand castles, some have fun kicking everyone else's down. May the era of sand castles return to us.

The fuck are talking about, Killing Zone is pretty good by its own

The fact that I’ve heard about 2 or 3 of these games just about gets the idea across

Halo doesn't need help....Master Chief about to finish the fight with one pistol shot aimed at himself.

this video has re awakened a dream of mine , i would never try to make a game like halo , but someday i hope i could create something as fun and unique as halo and maybe borrow some of its key aspects , there is so much i could say about this masterpiece , if im honest with myself almost no other shooter has been as enjoyable as halo

Everyone forgets tribes had the two weapon limit, and foot to vehicle combat first.

Seeing the Resistance game makes me miss playing Resistance 2. The PVP and COOP was so much fun and the game also had a ingame server-browser. So me and my friends used to make a Sniper/Magnum only server on the San Francisco map.

Killzone 2 is the greatest shooter I've ever played. The ultra-realism, the grit, the heavy movement, the impact when shooting enemies... All of it was perfect!

Honestly some of the comparisons just feels really forced, like Killzone, Resistance or Crysis, I don't really consider "alien invasions and FPS" to be an Halo clone. But overall I agree with the message, it's really hard to have good "game killer" games because it's just impossible to recreate the feeling of the games they are trying to beat.

Halo was so powerful that the only thing that could harm it was itself

one thing i noticed about all these games, the super low FOV is really headache inducing. i usually dont get motion sickness from games, but i feel like i would even attempting to play these halo killers

As a Warhammer 40k fan, it honestly pisses me off that Firewarrior sucks as bad as it does. The setting is ripe for having a wide variety of enemy types and weapons what with all its weird alien races and daemons, and there could be vehicle sections, given how many vehicle types exist in the setting (especially for Tau). The more intelligent races like the Imperium, Chaos Marines and Eldar would be good test cases for advanced AI (even the dumb races like Orks and Tyranids could at least have interesting AI behaviors that give them lots of personality). Hell, even the fantastical nature of the setting means levels with lots of verticality would be a no brainer.

I have the same issue as you with fighting human enemies, I call it "Blokes with guns" syndrome, because I have seen so many games have promising settings, enemy types and such and they waste SO much of their running time fighting generic boring hitscan dudes while the more interesting non-human foes get royally shafted. It's a hot take but I also felt this issue extended to the Half-Life games, so much of their running time in combat is fighting hitscan dudes and HL2 even removed a ton of alien enemies, even if it's still a great game. FEAR on the other hand is done to perfection thanks to incorporating those Halo sandbox elements so well into the enemy AI, level design and player options. As for Halo style indie shooters, I personally recommend ADACA if you don't mind a dash of Half-Life and STALKER added into the mix. Been playing a bunch of that lately and it's good fun.

Imo halo's most basic form is you fighting at least 2 different types of enemies, it helps if one is big and one is small like elites and grunts, with two guns and grenades on a unique looking platform for 30 seconds

The improvement between killzone 2 and killzone is insane.

As a long time Halo fan since 2002 , I have literally grown up with the series . But when I first played Killzone 2 back in 2010 I was really blown away by the intense setting , graphics , sound and atmosphere as a whole . From that moment I knew that Halo had found it’s match

At some point you just begin to lump random games as "halo killers" and criticize them for not being like Halo, "Area 51 is an asset flip halo killer" was a huge L take That game has more similarity to Half Life than anything else

So with the republic commando weapon system was like that because the dc-17m was made to be super versatile and the limiting ai of 2005 they went that way because each character was supposed to use a different version of the dc-17m with sev using the sniper variant scorch was supposed to use the grenade launcher and I believe fixer was supposed to use the pistol and you playing as boss would use the default dc-17m

Honestly, this is why I love Helldivers 2... it legit is the halo successor that we all needed