Halo SAVED First Person Shooters (Response to Under the Mayo and DJ Peach Cobbler) 

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The bit about grenades' role in Halo being an AoE damage to compensate for lack of console aiming precision is baffling when Halo's plasma grenade specifically enormously rewards direct hits It's not "oh no you can't easily hit the enemy, so have some AoE damage to compensate", it's the extreme end of the dodgeable projectile sandbox - extremely slow but extremely lethal, forcing the player to dodge on the receiving end and rewarding them for being accurate with their own throws.

"halo ruined fps games because it popularized a genre I don't like"

you forgot to mention that halo invented tea bagging, the single most influential multiplayer trend.

I love how they complained about the flood rushing them when that's kinda the point of the parasite called "the flood". The flood changed the pace of halo when they first appeared, you had to change your tactics a bit when dealing with them Edit: Them replies are interesting

This video really makes me wish we could get all the fans together that actually KNOW about halo and what makes it great and make an indie shooter with all those elements.

Absolute gigachad, someone who understands the actual reason why classic halo is held in high regard. New sub

This vid has existed for 1 minute and its already in my recommended. GG great vid so far

Under the Mayo's whole argument against Halo is "I hate how you gotta reload." Just fucking batshit insane.

Mayo is notorious for his biases and double standards that aren't founded in logic. Being bias with your video game tastes is fine, but the main problem is that he takes these biases as objective facts and scrutinizes anyone who criticizes his claims, and he's never willing to admit it either.

You should've just shown a MintBlitz clip just to end the movement argument

These guys really didn't notice counter strike. That game gave us uneven starts, cover based shooters and very slow paced shooters. The last 2 are what these 2 RU-vidrs are blaming Halo for

I feel like the whole “halo ruined shooters” argument is flawed mostly because it’s not that Halo ruined shooters but because, similar to Half Life, a lot of following shooters took the wrong lessons from Halo.

Also.. why is slow bad? Don't people suck off Soulsbourne games for being slow and methodic? Seriously though, Halo forces you to tango with enemies, there are few ways to actually cheese an enemy except if youve got power weapons which have limited resources. Each battle with an Elite or a Brute feels like a tiny little UFC match, a dance to the death, they can ruin you if you get to close, one shot you with a plasma grenade. Thats a good thing.

Halo: Reach was peak Halo. You could drive Forklifts.

This may be the most complete and accurate description of what happened to Halo. It’s a shame that there are people who will ignore this video. How do they know classic Halo will fail when 343 has NEVER made a classic style Halo game?

It amazes me how misunderstood Halo's design is. Despite being on top of gaming as a whole for a brief period and being in some respects very influential, there's never been a true "Halo clone" that gets at the core of the game's design. There are clones of every popular game, CoD clones, Doom clones, CS clones; but no Halo clones. At best you see slight influence. This has always been weird to me, has made me think Halo is so contrary to industry thinking in general that people don't even try to copy it. If it was some obscure series from the 2000's, ecelebs today would be making "video essays" about this weird kind of arena shooter kind of not with a wacky story that you should check out if you get the chance and want something different to play, but it gets paradoxically ignored and written off because of its former popularity. Maybe the real issue is that Halo was the game the kids who bullied the future "video essayists" played.

I find this arguement so fucking bizarre as someone who grew up playing and loved both halo and DOOM. In reality they both share core values in their gameplay to me atleast. In halo the covenants slower plasma shots (CE more so than later titles) enticed the player to always stay on the move in order to strafe and avoid damage. In DOOM if you aren't constantly moving (granted at a faster speed but that's due to fast demons) you will get pummeled and burnt alive by the hordes of enemies. In halo there is weapon utilities such as the fact that plasma weapons are more effective against shielded enemies while ballistic weapons are better against unshielded (may be wrong on that) enemies, you need to know your targets state and how to respond appropriately. In DOOM you have a large arsenal all with different strengths and weaknesses and you need to know which situations they best perform in and against which enemies. Anyways there is more examples I can think of more than these but this comment is already longer than anyone will read so idk.

"You can make any game look bad if you play like a tool" Best part of the whole video. Feels like they stuck to cover because it's what they "thought" the game wanted from them, when in fact staying in cover is a shitty noob strategy. True chads bob and weave as the shield low indicator plays.

There is a reason sprint is such a controversial issue in halo. They had to actually slow the player down to slower than the original games in order to add sprint, to "speed the game up". You were ALREADY sprinting in halo 1-3, odst, and reach.

I'm not sure that Halo 2's Legendary was influenced by cover shooters. I think they just ran out of time and jacked up the enemy stats carelessly because of time constraints, and couldn't fine tune it like say, CE. Because it only feels that way on Legendary and not lower difficulties. That said, great video!

This is what a low attention span leads us to. Underappreciation.

I saw a reddit post once where someone compared H3 MLG tournaments on the map Heretic to H5 HCS tournaments on the map Truth and found that H3 matches were about 2 and a half minutes faster on average while the games themselves had more total kills between the two teams on average. TLDR; H3 has faster matches with more average kills than H5 despite all the movement mechanics in H5. These movement mechanics make it so maps have to be scaled up tremendously which slows the game down. The movement mechanics also make it wayyyyyy easier to run away from fights which slows the game down. Despite popular belief, H5 is much slower than classic Halo.

"And they play on anniversary graphics" Wait.. You're not supposed to do that?

Speed wouldnt be a problem in halo if chief shook his gun around like that doesnt make sense its just placebo. Im hardcore into destiny 2 and sometimes its just too chaotic, halo's more gunplay focused combat is what makes it special

While I love these two videos you discussed I think it's no exaggeration that alot of what they said comes from a point of bias. You did a good job at undercovering that aspect and creating a fairly informed response that I haven't seen up until now. Now if you excuse me I need to share this video because I feel more people need to see it

I love the fact that it can basically be boiled down to Doom forces me to be in the fun zone but Halo doesn't and I'm not smart enough to work out how to get there on my own therefore bad game.

This is the voice of halo we’ve needed

Trying to say that Halo is good or bad based on a single feature is another mistake they made. Halo (I'm just gonna clarify only the Bungie ones) have always been greater than the sum of their parts. For example, the story serves the gameplay, but the gameplay also serves the story, the music enhances the emotions of every part while the set-pieces reflect it's tones. The environment serves the movement system in a way that makes for different path variations. The movement system serves to navigate both through the environment and the battlefield. When the music picks up you know there's a fight nearby, when the area opens up to reveal high, exposed catwalks you know there's a sniper up there, every piece of Halo is intricately woven together to form what has become one of, if not the most popular video game in shooter history.

It's kinda strange how they are critical of Halo as today Halo is probably the strongest carrier of the arena shooter multiplayer out there (and I say that as someone who loved Unreal 2004 and played it for many many years).

Halo is the opposite of a cover shooter. It's a run, gun, & melee focussed game with cover elements that you can use if you wish. Playing it as a cover shooter is so wrongheaded!

I really appreciate the part where you point out that Halo wasn’t the game that lead shooters into an ultra linear set-piece driven wasteland. The original trilogy as well as ODST and Reach (and even part 4&5 to some extent) we’re also at so focused on providing a sandbox that let you do pretty much anything you could come up with within the campaign levels, and took the resurrections off completely in multiplayer thanks to custom games and forge. Also I find the idea that Halo is outdated or no longer relevant outright laughable considering how there is literally no other FPS game that has as hard of a commitment to its sandbox. There are tons of games like Call of Duty, or Doom, or even Battlefield, but Halo, especially the original trilogy, still sits in a unique spot that hasn’t really been explored anywhere else in the gaming landscape. Actually as a huge fan of the original Halo trilogy, I found the 2010s to be extremely disappointing for shooters as there was nothing that really filled the void Halo left. Doom was great but it was very different and didn’t scratch the same itch, CoD was never that similar and while I liked 4 and World At War the rest of the series seemed to get worse with each game, Titanfall was unique and has its qualities but I honestly never really took to its gameplay (I don’t think it’s bad, just not my cup of tea), and Halo’s own sequels developed under 343 at the time abandoned the original formula to chase trends. Hopefully Infinite can get the series back on track and show the fools who honestly believe this ground breaking and unique series has no place in gaming so future just how wrong they are, as if just looking at the original games didn’t already do that.

Good video. I am primarily a 90s/2000s arena/indie retro boomer shooter type player. I LOVE Doom, and I personally think DOOM Eternal is the very best FPS experience of all time. But I also love Halo. It's just a different type of game. I think Halo is slowER than Doom, but is not a slow game. I also consider Halo (3) the "last" arena shooter. It was the last bastion of classic FPS gameplay before Call of Duty took over and completely changed the FPS landscape. Halo shares more in common with the 90s games like DOOM and Quake than it does modern shooters like CoD. I do think there are some parts of Halo (starting from Reach) where Halo is losing it's identity because of following trends (loadouts, sprint, etc). I also think Halo Infinite could (and should) learn from DOOM 2016/Eternal - but not in the sense that it should copy what Doom is and become a boomer shooter, moreso that it should look back to the original games, and reevaluate what people loved about the game and return to that in a "modern way" like 2016/Eternal did.

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I don't think either of them mentioned how doom 4 was almost a muddy brown military shooter with coiver based mechanics. That screams which game was more influential in the changing shooter market than anything else. Halo has always been it's own unique thing no one has really been able to replicate. Also, I agree the main reason FPS games changed was not the evolution of the mechanics themselves, but the ability to tell cohesive stories in the games. Games "slowed down" because you can't read a book in a windstorm. Slight side note but Under The Mayo has always presented his criticism with heavy boomer vibes. He just seems to not like the stuff that is different from what he grew up playing.

seems like they forgot that those doom clones were in dying state back in those days and need to change somethings. as a guy who love both halo and doom, im glad that someone who really do know about halo start to responding to those video.

Nah the part about the montages is so accurate why does every video about doom have some montage to introduce it

"halo ruined first person shooters" is a comically bad gen Z take

DJ Cobbler is one of those people who say that F.E.A.R is shit and old because of it's slow motion combat.

In my opinion not all games should be the same formula. Don’t we want variety? Yes trends will come and go but we can all play the games we love. Halo can be Halo. Titanfall can be Titanfall. Doom can be Doom. And battle royals can go die in a ditch. If we changed Halo to what these guys want it would just be Doom with a different overlay.

I can sum it all up in one sentence. Classic Halo's gameplay felt "deliberate" while modern shooters feel "twitchy".

I agree with a lot of your points against Mayo and DJ's assessment of Halo, like how Halo isn't strictly a cover-based shooter and that the speed of a given game is relative to it's gameplay, but I completely disagree with the view you present that the modern Doom games are some how only Doom games on face value. No, it doesn't just take fast movement, no reloading and hoards of enemies to make a Doom game- the original Doom's (1 & 2) were designed around resource management and orthogonally differentiated enemies that had completely different ways of moving around the environment and attacking the player, you are constantly thinking to yourself when playing through the OG Dooms "what weapons do I have at my disposal? How much ammo do I have for each of them? Which of them would be best used against the current combination of enemies in this specific environment I'm currently fighting in?" This thought process is directly carried over into the modern Doom games making them a true evolution of the originals. All the mechanical editions in Eternal are tied to resource management; now, instead of just asking "what weapons do I have?", you have to take your weapon mods into consideration and decide whether to focus down certain enemies with specific mods or focus on using more broadly applicable mods to wipe out hoards of enemies. Or, you could forget about mods entirely and focus on bursting enemies down with quick switch combos, but if you chose to do that you'll burn through your ammo and will need to chainsaw an enemy to re-fill. But the chainsaw itself is a piece of resource management as it only recharges one pip of fuel over a prolonged time period- so if you are caught without chainsaw fuel after whiffing a bunch of shots on a high priority target, you are left hopping and dashing around the arena trying to either find a fuel canister or simply trying to survive. Movement itself is an extension of the resource management focused gameplay of the OG Dooms given that your double jump only resets if you either ground yourself or swing off of monkey bars in the environment, the double dash resets on a timer and will likewise only recharge if you are grounded and the super shotgun's meat-hook is put on a cool down timer after use. Along with all this innovation on the OG Doom formula more direct comparisons between new Doom and it's predecessors can be made- the base combat shotgun is still the work-horse weapon of the sandbox and is useful for clearing hordes of fodder enemies throughout the campaign, the minigun retains it's high stun chance from the original games allowing the player to stun lock enemies like Cacodemons, Archviles and Hell knights, many enemies themselves operate similarly to their original incarnations but have now been modernised (e.g: the Pinky still charges at the player but now has frontal armour incentivising dodging it's charge and shooting it in the back) etc. All in all I think this is a great video that combats the view held by some in the Doom community that Halo is just a watered down arena shooter, but I just disagreed with your assessment of the modern Doom games being Doom games in name alone. In fact, the only franchise I can think of that has games under it's umbrella that don't play like an evolution of it's previous instalments is Halo. Addendum: Doom 3 does exist so the Doom franchise has had a sequel that didn't evolve it's signature gameplay, but 2016 and Eternal most definitely do.

I had originally responded to the mayo video in a comment and it's nice to see you tackle it. The main thing that bothered me (as detailed in my comment) was definitely Mayo constantly pushing the idea that Halo is a cover shooter and I'm glad you covered how flawed that understanding was

"Too easy to predict" shows major elite strafing like a god

Can people just stop comparing doom and halo they are not similar games they are both made to provide different experiences and if halo popularized cover based shooters then doom 2016 led to a surge of indie throwback shooters.

“Halo not like doom eternal so halo bad”

The fart E1M1 parody + the Doom gameplay fucking broke me, lmao.

Imo you should have focused on DJ peach as underthemayos is entirely a opinion piece and a personal story.

The Chad face in master chief's helmet is now my Canon face for the chief.

This is probably the best argument for classic halo to ever exist up until this point, bravo.. There's some quotable stuff in here, and that doesn't just apply to one topic..

As much as I like Under The Mayo, his thoughts on other games is rather questionable. Haven’t watched DJ Peach Cobbler that much, so dunno bout him. Their takes on Halo is similar to how Upper Echelon, Skill Up and Connor Shaw made bad takes on DOOM Eternal. If ya ask me, Halo is basically a pedestal of the FPS genre, on the same level as DOOM, Quake, Half-Life and a few others. These 90s DOOM boomers need to get off their high horse for once.

Mayo was reaching very hard in a lot of different ways. He even contradicted himself when saying he loves when games are hard and he dies a lot but then complains when he dies a lot because he isn’t learning anything from the experience, WITH UNQIUE ENEMY ARCHETYPES HE POINTED OUT IN THE SAME VIDEO!

I find it funny people throw the blame at Halo for "ruining" FPS's because a lot of games after it tried to copy what made it good and failed in large numbers, and or just said COD and call it a day. Have we forgotten DOOM did this in 93? Half-Life in 98? There's an entire section of games literally called Doom clones FFS. Yet nope, it's Halo's fault somehow. I've seen big RU-vidrs say this too, Civvie for example. They all fail to realize it's nothing more than trend following. You can't blame Doom or Half-Life or Halo for the shit that was shat out to try and take a piece of the pie they created, blame the developers behind said shit for being poor at game design.

I love how everyone calls Halo slow, while my go-to tactic in every one of them is moon-jumping into the middle of the action and headbutting anyone resilient enough to survive my two mag dumps and half a dosen grenades, never taking cover once.

Halo was important, no question. Not sure it deserves the title of genre saver though. Never owned an original Xbox, was playing Metroid Prime, and before that Duke Nukem 3d. Of course Goldeneye and Perfect Dark deserve credit for keeping console shooters relevant, even if I never owned an N64.

"halo doesn't have movement" Clearly he hasn't met mint blitz

Playing Halo CE with anniversary graphics is heresy

If Under the Mayo thinks that Halo is a tactical cover shooter, he'd probably have an aneurysm if someone showed him a real tactical shooter, like ARMA or Squad.

What Mayo and DJ both absolutely left out too (or maybe just didn't bother to do their own research), was that Halo was going to be a Mac Computer exclusive, right before MS bought it.Then, it was going to be a PC exclusive, even creating an Nvidia GPU commercial that never aired, because Bill Gates wanted it on Xbox. Bungie didn't change movement or gameplay to match a console; they just moved their work from Mac/PC to console.

They clearly have no understanding of Halo. The comments about movement got a chuckle out of me. Halo has quite complex movement if you actually take the time to learn all the tricks. You need to be good with the character and the maps in order to be efficient.

Mayo in general has shit takes, and I'm glad there are more videos calling him out. As much as I enjoy the new DOOM games, they were so successful because they aimed to do something different, and it didn't aim to "correct the genre". It's almost like different games aim to do different things, and be different experiences. If we had every game just blatantly copy DOOM (like Shadow Warrior 3 did from what I've seen), the FPS landscape would be stale, and I say this even as someone who dislikes cover shooters. They aren't for me, but that doesn't mean their existence is needless, people enjoy them, and they provide completely different gameplay experiences! Great video!

The idea that all FPS games have to fit one design is so silly. And the funniest thing is that Mayo also talks about disliking ultra kill a lot which is basically a much faster, more creative Doom Eternal style system. It is okay for games to be different than one another lol

To be honest, having a "slower" gameplay is actually kind of appealing. You are a 7 foot tall armored giant, your advantage is being tanky as fuck.

Doom Eternal easily became my favorite game after my first playthrough, but having played through Halo 1 through 3, I never once wished it was like Doom. Maybe movement speed just to traverse levels faster when there were no enemies, but it is unfair to compare the games when the style of FPS is so drastically different.

one of my favorite "movement options" in combat evolved is to use a hunter's shield bash to jump away

First of all, PC gaming was in a dark place at the turn of the millennium due to piracy. That's why consoles became the lead platform for shooters in the first place - and that's the reason why Halo had to reinvent the genre and adapt to console controls. Second, before Halo, most shooters wanted to be like Half Life - even Doom 3.

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I agree with DJ for the most part. Halo should remain slow. If that’s not enough for adrenaline junkie players then who cares because we don’t need them You also missed the part where he stated that the reason the new halos never did well is because they left their origin to the dismay of many fans.

"Enemies never sneak up on you from behind." The dude's clearly never played Legendary mode lmao, the enemy AI really shines when the player can't one-shot all of them

That fast vs slow argument has always annoyed me a lot from the beginning. Like.....what is it about speed that makes it "irrelevant"?? Love this video.

Fun fact the beam rifle isn't even hit scan it's just a fast projectile

"Halo is slow" Me in new Halo using repulsor to move to the second end of the map in less than 2 seconds

I agree with most of this video. I have to point out that saying Halo saved shooters is a bit of a stretch. Okay it's a massive stretch. FPS was doing very well at that time. Half-Life reinvented shooters, then we got Far Cry, Doom 3, TimeSplitters, fear, etc. I do agree that shooters were going the linear scripted route but that is by no means a bad thing. As I've said for years, shooters learned the wrong things from Half-Life. Plus there were tons of FPS games that weren't linear or scripted. Half-Life started a trend more than Halo and just like Halo, it was blamed for a lot of bad games. I also want to point out that they definitely understood Halo for Halo 5. At least, if we're talking about Multiplayer. The rest of the game doesn't exist. Boomer shooters are definitely a trend. There's been so many of them. Dusk, Ultrakill, Prodeus, Dread Templar, etc. They obviously aren't AAA popular but only a few games can be. These games have a huge influence on the FPS market space on PC. I'm only hoping we'll get that same sort of resurgence with Half-Life/F.E.A.R. style games soon.

Eventhough I fully agree with you that DJ Peach Cobbler is wrong in this regard, I still respect and appreciate his Halo video because he sounds like a guy that would ACTUALLY change his mind if he is PROVEN wrong, which is, well, a rarity these days.

Never expected anyone to make a response to UndertheMayo's video....but boy am i glad you did, Bravo good sir!

It's crazy that these guys picked up a game where you play as a thousand pound man shaped tank and thought "I should stick to cover the whole time." Halo's gameplay loop is at it's best when you're aggressive and tactical.

7:47 When people talk like this, about "skill", it's clear that they have a very specific style of play which is only compatible with certain games. They mostly want to mindlessly mash through a game with muscle memory, that "fun zone" they mentioned. It's a fine way to create a power fantasy, but I feel it gets stale quickly due as its averse to creating new situations, or anything that your gamer hands would find unfamiliar.

It isn't addressed in this video, and presumably not mentioned in the videos this is responding to, but one of the most baffling aspects of the old "Halo killed my precious boomer shooters!! >:(" hysteria you'd see back in the day (and still to this day) is the complete disregard for the vehicle driving aspect of Halo. All these arguments about movement speed or weapon limitations, and yet they would always just completely ignore an aspect of Halo's design that comprises almost half its gameplay, and how even just the fact the game is balanced around having vehicles means that of course your on-foot speed is going to be slower. So baffling in retrospect, to the point where I feel that most of those people never even played the game for more than 10 minutes.

19:16 "And they STILL failed to understand Halo. TWICE." There's three, actually.

They really lost me when they called Halo a cover shooter lmao. One of the major criticisms of Halo 5's campaign was that it played like a cover shooter due to fast-moving, tracking projectiles being everywhere - in contrast to the earlier games in the series.

actually in ce if your shields are low and if any elites are nearby they will rush you

Halo is far from being a cover-based shooter,... except when you play Halo 2 on Legendary

DooM & Halo: Has these kinds of videos Quake, who made fps an actual thing to break away from "doom clones": *sits in silence*

Halo felt like the original unreal to me when I played it That itself proves that it's way faster than regular shooters. Halo has parts that are repetitive and the shotgun is basically a fix all solution for everything besides hunters and vehicles The original doom also has aspects of sandbox elements aswell, almost to the point I find Halo more familiar than even build engine games which were not even half a decade older than OG doom.

This is an insanely well put together video. Just wanted to say nice job throwing this all together!

Halo is like the video game equivalent of DC movies. They aren’t irrelevant, they just haven’t been done justice in so long ppl are losing faith.

I kinda indirectly ripped on Doom Eternal in terms of player expression. It seems to me like every top Doom Eternal player plays the same way. Fire one shot from Weapon A, hot swap to weapon B and fire, then C and fire and then back to A. It's cool to watch the first time you see it... then you see thats just the "best" way to play the game. By forcing the player to play a certain way you're pigeonholing their strategy... which limits your options... which, by these people's logic is bad game design.

Mayo and Cobbler are part of a group I like calling "Doom Cultists" where they get so blindsided by the nostalgia that they end up ignoring anything that could even put a dent on Doom or any other old Id soft-where game's reputation. Doesn't matter how smart they are and avoid those pitfalls in every other subject, if its about FPSs they'll end up being super ignorant and never get them started on Halo. And essentially what these two guys and many other tried to do was compare Halo:CE specifically to a old shooter like doom instead of its own product, then start getting mad about it. Which feels like the equivalent of buying the Sims and then expecting it to be like Command and Conquer. I mean, I remember someone else talking about how the original STALKER caused long term problems in anti-aliasing development that still seen today, which I have no idea how true it is. Yet that same person also stated they still love the game to death and glad it was ever made because all the other good it did. Which I'd pay good money to see one of those Doom Cultists say something like that about Halo. Or better yet see them admit a flaw about Doom, I hadn't play much of the original doom mostly due to not remembering to get my own copy but I do remember the fricken keycard hunting ruining the flow for me. I mean, I don't have enough evidence that doom caused the "Hunt the Key" trend that plagued FPSs a little after Doom came out, it could have been a consequence, and its not even the worst. Jedi Knight 2 deer mother loving Katarn, that was the worse example of "hunt the keycard" I've seen despite not having a single literal Keycard in its first levels. Serious Sam may found a good solution to it by throwing combat at you when you "collect the key" and just integrating it into the flow, but also I noticed that stupid trend slowed down after Halo Combat Evolved (Although, again, that's what I noticed, the game that that actually stopped it could be something else). Which is funny to me because Halo came out later in the same year as Serious Sam, and both found two different solutions to the flow problem "Find the Key" creates. And what's even funnier is while typing this I realized that Doom: Enteral, out of everything it got rid of from its old design kept the the fricken stupid keycards. WHY? I don't know, but it brought enough bad memories back that I never bought it after seeing that. If Enteral is good with minimizing the keycards or integrates with the flow of the play well, someone feel free to correct me, actually no, I encourage you to correct me. I might still not play the game, or at least until it gets dirt cheap, but I will stop holding that grudge against it and prevent my bias view from taking over in the future. Lastly just because I find it funny, while I still love his content, Civvie11 who's entire brand is around old shooters, is a bit a Doom cultist himself (although I can't tell how much is really his thoughts and what is just his exaggerated character played for entertainment), despite the fact he has actually recorded the toxicity that went down at Id software that caused the downfall and reasons for leaving of the original creators and brings it up quite a bit in different videos. .

You know that this people also claim that hslf life killed fps because it has a design that doesnt revolve around looking for keys for 10 minutes?

Great video. I learned a lot. In the Quake community in the early 2000's, CS was the scapegoat for our beloved franchise's decline in popularity. Halo wasn't even on our radar. I love both Mayo and Peach and personally found their videos on Halo cathartic to some degree. Whilst I didn't quite understand their angle regarding Halo being a cover shooter - since I would often try and jump to avoid being headshotted in a BR duel, I definitely felt what they were saying about the game speed. I quit PC gaming in 2007 due to medical reasons and I _felt_ the whiplash going from Quake 3 to Halo 3. To me, the actual movement speed of spartans wasn't as unpleasant as the acceleration and deceleration speed when switching direction. Quake had almost none of that. It was immediate. 0 to max movement speed. Always felt to me that the acceleration was slower to account for controller aiming. As far as Halo's influencs is concerned. The only thing I lamented about shooters over so many years for was the 2 weapon limit, sprint mechanic rather than an 8 way auto run and regen health. I loved CoD4 and Halo 3 but I wish those mechanics didn't end up in _everything_ else. Classic arena shooters died and it's just to easy to blame the military shooters and Halo. As for me, I came to appreciate CS throughout the 2010's but it was also irrelevant to me as a console only player now. I hope Peach responds to this video and I'm looking forward to Mayo's. Thanks again. Maybe I'll pick up MCC sometime.

Plus you gotta remember halo has had only had two immensely disappointing games and a broken collection at launch in the last 9 years kinda makes sense that it’s fallen on the wayside.

5:13 Sprint is actually in CS, it's the default movement type, with an option to walk slower so your footsteps are silent.

Not really an FPSer here, but this was still a fascinating appearance in my recommended vids. The only thing I can think to contribute to the discussion is trying to figure out what these hardcore gamer types mean by “slow” and “fast”. I look at it like breathing with gills vs breathing with lungs. With lungs, there are very clear moments of inhaling and exhaling, and similar gameplay would be moments of action (inhale) and moments of recovery (exhale). With gills, on the other hand, it’s a constant flow where the action and recovery are so tightly woven that they’re nearly inseparable, like a fish that has to keep swimming or it dies. It seems to me that, when the hardcore players want faster gameplay, what they really want is uninterrupted gameplay. They want their action and recovery tightly knit together - so tightly that action _is_ recovery. Is this a bad thing to want? Nah, it’s just a preference. But is it a bad thing to make it up like it’s the be-all-end-all to FPS as a genre? Yes, because there are people out there who prefer a more clearly-paced experience. They want to take out some dudes, take a moment to regroup, and repeat. It’s also important to note that there isn’t just one extreme or the other. There exists a realm between the constant flow FPS and almost turn-based FPS where all sorts of possibilities in pacing exist. If we could get more developers and publishers to explore that territory, I think we could make more happy customers and even bring in new ones.

One cool thing about Halo 1-3, ODST and Reach is that AIs are unscripted. Unscripted I mean they behave randomly, depending on the situation. Which makes the tactic of AIs dynamic and it's not always the same after starting a mission on each difficulty or respawning. Also AIs are interacting each other with dialogues.

That last half of the vid explaining halo’s actual impact and downfall is well done

Well I’ve never seen those videos but based on the excerpts, thank god you made this one

I'm only 14 minutes in and even as a fan of Mayo and an even bigger fan of Doom, you're absolutely demolishing these guys. That's a subscribe from me dawg. Hope to see you online in Infinite.

Under the mayo has no taste, I'm just glad that someone else knows this

thanks to this video alone, you've now got one new subscriber :] seriously props towards making this especially since im a really new Halo fan whos about to finish CE

hope they dont find out that i took cover in doom 2016 once