Why Forza Motorsport looks SO BAD? 

''The game is clearly an pre alpha''

When it comes to games looking "beautiful", companies of our day just misunderstand the concept. Everyone just forces RTX ultra shiny lighting mess of graphics, sure the technology today is much much better than before but I don't think it makes it any good. I think what makes a game beautiful is it's composition, detail and homogenity. Nothing should be exaggerated or lean. Every model or texture should be up to standart(it doesn't even need to be that high, just consistent) to not break the illusion. And finally detailed in an authentic way. As an example, be it quite a diffrent one, Man Of War: A.S. 2 was and still is a game I just stop and like to look at. The textures are trash, so are many things not up to todays standart, but it is consistent and authentic. The maps not being open world lets the devs to focus much more on details, and so I think the F.M. could do it as well. With that budget, they could have easely made everything look right, but they sadly didn't.

people should talk about this more, but sadly normies just don't care. if the 3d model looks similiar to the car they know, they'll just take it. literally 18 years old 3d models retrofitted with interiors, it's just shameful. turn10 has all the power and money to 3d scan these cars but they just choose not to... if they would scan like 20 old cars for each new installment i bet we would have all the original cars looking as good as recently scanned cars.

every aspect in this game is "INCONSISTENT", ranged from great up to awful. Looks like devs are heavily rely on ray tracing, upscaling, and every others new gen hardware technologies have. Sadly, a lot of recent AAA games are going in to that directions resulting a lot of messy graphics and performance (especially in mid to lower hardware). the amount of known issues listed on the official forza support stated that the game isn't completed by the period of its release.

Even FM 5 looks better and has more content than FM 2023.... FM 5 was actually built from the ground up unlike FM 2023. In FM5 they needed to remodel all cars interiors so they can be viewed in FORZA VISTA which first appeared in that game(if we consider having all cars in the game explorable). All cars also had info about them which was a nice touch.

"BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP" What a bait was it

A lie was everything promised by turn 10, they had a lot of time to do something worthwhile and in the end it was this garbage.

Turn 10 has been so many years prioritizing quantity over quality and this happens

The new Motorsport looks way too washed out imo, the cars look like their paint has been exposed to high levels of UV light, causing it to fade. Why did it change so much from the initial showcase? I call BS on "it's just the style we're going for," Horizon 5 looks so much better (a cross-gen title by the way). I'm also getting tired off the inaccurate models as well, low poly is one thing, but if the wheel bases aren't even the same as the real life car potentially making the handling inacurate, then a new model has to be made, and after so long they only remodeled one car, the 22B. Honestly after GT7 I'm not falling for this again, Forza should just stick to the Horizon spin-off if they can't make a main-line Motorsport better than Motorsport 4, I really wanted this one to be good to...

This is true, this game feels like something they whipped together in like a year or less its a complete mess.

I'm also disappointed in the tracks available. The last Forza Motorsport I played was 3 and I remember racing on beautiful mountain tracks, with gorgeous ocean views, and racing amongst old Southern-European / Mediterranean-style buildings, Japanese tracks with nice waterfalls, and even racing in the middle of Manhattan, New York streets. But none of that in this game. It makes me sad. I boot this new Forza game but then remember the limited number of tracks that all look the same and I want to stop playing already. Te salió chingón este vidéo bro.

Driveclub still looks better you showed them back to back and Driveclub actually looked really nice.

I really can't remember racing game which looks more satisited and pleasant than Driveclub. Game from 2014 fcks everything that came later. Ridiculous situation.

FM looks absolutely terrible on my Series S. Of course, it's just Series S but FH5 looks much better. FM just looks unfinished, details are terrible, textures, tracks surroundings are TERRIBLE (trees, banners etc). FM looks like a big scam from Turn 10.

No race car events in the Builder's Cup, being unable to change your car in between events in the Builder's Cup, borked Drivatar liveries in Free Play, the inability to create a custom public lobby, having to restart the game when changing video settings or else your framerate tanks, no improvements on the livery editor, GT's has been leaps and bounds better since it was introduced in Sport, being touted as a 'reboot' despite using the same font and design language as FM7... They could have just as well called it 'FM8', why did they drop the weight of expectation on themselves if they can't lift it? As a PC gamer, this is the only experience I have like this. I suppose the only improvement they made was that there's no microtransactions.

There's a huge push in the gaming industry to force 4k60 and raytracing in games on the consoles since they were advertised as 4k consoles. The consoles have the equivalent of an rtx 2070/3060 where if you own one of those, you know that 4k and raytracing means lowest graphics settings in any game from the past few years. I think this is causing a lot of developers to cut a lot of corners to focus on getting to run 4k on what is essentially 1080p60/1440p30 hardware.

the 'flashing' windshields is just a nature of screen space reflections (yes, the road is not ray traced). When an outside object occludes a reflective area then the reflection cannot work properly because the reflected object is not visible on screen anymore. It's in every game using SSR.

Not much can be done about damage model. Car companies don't want us to see their products being destroyed and have strict licensing terms

Turn 10: cry about it 😡 Me: one of these days Turn 10, one of these days , i will sent you all into the neatherealm

"Built from the ground up" btw. Great video, man. You earned a sub. Can you make a video on car sounds of this new Forza Motorsport so that devs can notice? It will be amazing as all the cars sounds like vaccum cleaner, compressed and synthesized. A80 Supra and Skyline R34 sounds unrealistic and not accurate, along with many others. Keep up the great work

I don't thinks it's unfair for our expectations to be high for coming into this game as a consumer. I was very disappointed in the graphics and how generic it looked on day one. I expected the quality to be at least where it is in Forza Horizon 5. The truth is, most of us play both the Horizon games as well as Motorsports. Most days I start off playing FH5 for a few hours, and then go directly over to this game. It's very underwhelming, to the point where I'm finding that I really just want to go back to FH5. I feel I do my part by having the equipment they claim is needed to maximize the overall gaming experience (4K TV, and the top of the line XBox Series X, ect.. ect..) I also always buy the Premium version of the new game. With that being said, I feel let down. I 100% agree that it feels forced, and money driven to release it when they did. But PLEASE, if your going to tease us with previews of "in game footage" that looks amazing, you better at LEAST come close to it when we finally get to play it! It's the standard you you set with that preview! I do, in turn, understand that marketing is going to produce a preview that looks looks slightly better than what your will actually get, but come on, this isn't even close! It feels like what i received was a knock of version from a gas station. Is this the beginning of the end for the Forza franchise? It very could be. If they don't redeem themselves from this "deceptive" release somehow, people are going to start losing faith in them. As consumers, we don't forget this type of thing when it comes time for the next Forza game. We will very much expect them to at least hold up the standard that they had previous to this. If they don't... Well, it's their funeral.

Definitely not impressed by the damage modelling in the new game. It looks half baked, generic and really poor quality. Though this may in part be due to the licensing limitations, Forza needs separate licenses to be able to use damage modelling on cars, as many manufacturers are EXTREMELY fussy about what sort of damage they allow to be seen on their cars. So the devs may have simply opted for a generic model but that's still no excuse for how bad and poorly detailed it is, it's not even representative of where you get the damage from let alone realistic. I also noticed that some of the cars looked a little bit odd (even without raytracing it's noticeable), but couldnt quite put my finger on it. This explains why though, whilst it's understandable and saves time and money (game assets get reused all the time) it's inexcusable behaviour for a company this size, considering the improvements to graphics even in the last couple of years with raytracing etc.

Because Forza Motorsport is just another car game to make quick buck with minimal effort while Gran Turismo 7 is the ode to the automobile industry.

the shadows and reflections are just so jaring and shitty. Maybe that's why every surface has such a flat finish, if you could see reflections everywhere it would hurt your eyes with how jagged and blurry everything would be

This game looks and plays like a +10 year old game. Shitty materials and shaders, awful recylced models, buggy lighting, horrible "dirt" textures that look like somebody poured acid on the car, etc. Also one thing i'm wondering is didn't they have big enough budget to laser scan the tracks? Some of them are so botched it physically hurts. Silverstone being probably the worst offender.

The thing about fm8 is that I feel like they tuned the lighting to be photorealistic as in… it looks like a photo of what real life would be. Not what real life would be. Sometimes it looks fine, but sometimes it looks jarringly washed out in a way that gt7 doesn’t. They probably should have focused more on color work if they were going to take advantage of ray tracing.

You all remember when Forza motorsport 5 was touted as the worst forza motorsport? well congratulations those 6 years of hard work paid off cuz now we have a new king. Look this isnt rocket science alright, its not like they are building the next uncharted 4, or the next GTA 5, or the next Fallout new vegas, alright, this is simple and they been doing it for well over a decade, and they have numerous ammount of experience, in what the players want and do not want, the ability to take out drift tires, and the wheel spacers is absolutely bollocks, wide bodykits now look like a proper joke once again. The team that did forza horizon 5 put more effort ina single palm tree then the entire team that worked on this game for 6 years, this is INEXCUSABLE at this point, turn 10 should have enough experience to actually make the game look like it was promised in the ORIGINAL 2020 forza motorsport 8 trailer, i am tired of these behemoths of companies taking us for a ride with our wallets and not doing anything innovative. My question to you is, what does forza motorsport do that i cant find in forza motorsport 6, not even 7 alright forget about 7. What does forza motorsport have that forza 6 doesnt have, besides the newer cars being added in, the answer is nothing, as a matter of fact we lost MORE ABILITIES then we gained. This is a fucking joke do not defend this, do not give them advice, they have all the advice they need, from the 1st forza motorsport to the very last, i dont care. Advice is needed for the indie developers that are working their ASS off making better stuff at release day then these sorry excuse games by a billion dollar corporation that is buying companies left and right, "oh yes lets buy out bethesda, blizzard activision, treyarch and infinity ward, but let's not give Turn 10 studios competent people to improve on forza motorsport" Lets not forget that this forza releases with less tracks then ANY other forza motorsport in the franchise. How we have allowed this to manifest in the first place is not only a joke but the fact that they seem to think that is perfectly acceptable to launch with this many tracks and not even have the nurburgring at the beginning of the game's lifecycle? This is inexcusable, completely inexcusable, do not forgive them do not give them an inch, you give them an inch they will take an entire foot, Well i am putting my foot down, and im here to say i dont like they way they are toying with us, need i remind you this is microsoft? The company that earlier this year made some very ballsy acquisitions. GOD HELP US ALL and these unsalvageable car models im having a heart attack

I know graphics don’t make a game fun or good, but I find this game to be absolutely unacceptable in its state. GT7 on PS4 is light years ahead of FM on Xbox X. They oversold the everliving hell out of this game. Horrible tactic. I love Forza, but I can’t pay for this game.

well you forgot about the terrible and even WORSE sounds..

We need more videos like this. No one should want the competition to fail. Competition and constructive criticism breeds better games. Hoping Turn 10 can bounce back with future patches/fixes.

The reflections on cars look awful because they capped the resolution (and in some modes the framerate) of them even in ultra settings. Apparently some people remedied that by editing game files and it can look good if T10 just set it up properly. The rain is also a stepdown from FM7 in cockpit view IMO. Overall the only thing that FM8 has going for it visually is ray tracing. Feels they didn't even try which is a huge shame. I really fell into the advertising and FH5 trap of thinking this game will look great.

That rain gameplay without the droplets on the screen looks way nicer and easier to use. If i wanted to have a realistic experience in the rain id use interior cam with the rain on the windshield. I dont think its a necessity to have it all over the screen artificially. Personally just makes the game look worse and more annoying (though thats probably what they want)

It's incredible how they went BACKWARDS. FH5 looks and plays 1000 times better. FM7 plays leagues better than FM. I have no idea how they went backwards so badly. The ENTIRE team failed miserably on FM.

Here we are 8 months later. While they did improve some lighting the core issues persist! Extreme amount of depth of field - still no option to turn it off or reduce it making the game a blurry mess. There are still sometimes graphicaly wierd things going on with lighting/shadows on interior parts like a cage beam. They just dont listen and therefore i will never buy a forza again - to me forza IS dead!

I remember Ai cars also have very very low LOD. My god some of them wipers doesn't even work! In FM7, I was having a race in the rain and then I saw the Ai cars headlights are turned off but tail lights are all ON. Some cars have missing side view mirrors too such a Chrysler or Chevy Camaro(old)

It’s the paint shader that looks the worst, every car looks wrapped instead of having the depth and layers of real car paint.

I grew up playing NFS High stakes, all of these models look fine to me.😂

idk why people keep buying these trash scam games when they've been telling lies ever since the first trailer

Inaccurate thumbnail. Everyone knows they haven't properly painted the AE86's front bumper since Motorsport 5.

Here's the problem though, higher quality scanning requires more time and money than ever, and the fans want ALWAYS at least 400 cars each game. Even with all the money in the world that isn't possible, the solution should've been making a small 200 roster of cars like GT3, impeccably lookin cars... But people would complain.

In the countdown before starting a race the game looks perfect, very clear, then everything is blurry whether in races or menu, it is very strange.

We still can even change the exhaust (visually). I cant upgrade a d class car into s class with 700 hp and it will still have the oem exhaust LOL. It look so off especially when you add body kits

This reminds me of when you put a 2013 and a 2020 car together in gta5. The difference in detail and quality and 3d styling trends is just so uncanny to have in one room.

FM no longer try to compete with GT and that's a problem, when we look at simcade on xbox and PC our only choice is either PC3, Grid Legends or FM (there's AC but the career mode and car selection was too small to draw interest from the casual audience) hence their complacent. Remember Microsoft has stopped making games to sell console. Now if only sony have the ball to release GT7 on PC maybe Turn10 can feel the competition but for now? They'll comforably sit at the top. (Edit: I forgot to include Grid Legends)

This game can one second be the best-looking game I've ever seen, then a second later look like it's from the Xbox 360 era. If they could just tweak what they already have, it could be the best-looking console racing game. Unfortunately, Turn 10 seems to be incompetent these days to make the proper adjustments and fixes.

I uninstalled it yesterday. It looked like a tech demo. Absolutely nothing new.

My first Forza was Forza Horizon 4, I played for over 2000 hours. I then played another 500 in Forza Horizon 5 until I saw a video that mentioned the models were from older games. You see the "issue" ? You see why they don't bother updating them? If someone that played so much didn't notice (besides some low poly steering wheels and interior trim in some cars), how do you think an average player non-car guy will? As long as you update everything else, light, shadows, effects, atmospherics, the game will look good, and that's what maters.

Microsoft today is the second highest market cap company in the world. They have the resources to not cheap out. And they still did. Very disappointing when even mainstays of quality could be relied upon, but even their best video game franchises are getting worse.

I bought this game because of the sheer number of cars and refunded because 90% of them are paywalled.

Because old programmers are retiring and new generations taking over cant do the job

I guess this has to do with the new engine they are using heck even fh 5 looks better than fm

They promised a brand new game built from the ground up. Then they release a game that makes only minor changes to the previous game but is as bug-ridden as a game built from scratch. They had an opportunity to finally surpass Gran Turismo but then they failed. What the hell are Turn-10 playing at?

literally got the game and refunded it because it looks so bad, like nfs unbound has better models and looks better than this game

Ray tracing is so overhyped developers love to market it for their games but most fail to implement it correctly usually just a washed out mess

finally someone mentioned the gto’s/3000gt’s model, its absolutely atrocious, definitely the worst car model in my opinion.

Good thing the scam cybertruck or what ever isn't there.

6:59 the answer to this is pretty sad. Even with the so called “Ray Tracing” enabled, this is a blatant giveaway of Screen Space Reflections being used instead. An issue SSR has had since its creation is that ANY obstructions in the way of a reflection will have a weird “wipe” effect, in that the area surrounding that obstruction will have that weird light artifact/vanishing of the reflection. I’m not discrediting Screen Space Reflections, in fact, it still works really well for such an old method of recreating water reflections, but I genuinely don’t know what is being ray traced in this game. The car paint models look flat in many instances, the shadow resolution and drop off on the cars are horrendous, the rain reflections from what I can tell are rendered with SSR, the list goes on.

There is a very subtle thing that used to be in Forza, at least i remember it being in FM7, maybe the FH3 and 4... the clock time was linked to the time IRL, probably linked to the PC time...

I so agree! Glad you made this video. Forza Motorsports graphics are so ugly compared to Forza Horizon 5!

Don't forget AUDIO. Audio is arguably more impactful than visuals in a racing game. None of the cars sound remotely realistic in Forza. There's no way to connect with the cars and the track if it all sounds fake. Play a game like Assetto Corsa Competizione and feel the crazy immersion that game brings by it's realistic audio design. The brakes, the tires, and most importantly the car actually sounds similar to what it does in real life. I'd rather have 50 cars that are super true to life than 500 cars that sound nothing like real life.

It's not complaining, it's criticism. Criticism is vital to any business to improve anything. As long as it's constructive criticism and not threats or the like.

need to write on the forum what to change, improve... if the game is not indifferent

Car companies these days do not allow high damage. Don't ask me why but they just don't. They have also started remaking allot of modals since it upset allot of people. Rightly so, they shouldn't be using 360 modals. I don't expect Gran Turismos level of details since they are almost photorealistic and put a ton of money into the scan technology and people to use it. But some of the Forza car modals are just terrible.

the problem is that they know all the console users are going to keep buying the "new" game. even though its been copy pasta and bad implementation release after release. people are still buying it. the moment they notice bad sales. is the moment the game owners are going to put( allow) any effort into a project

5:40 Wet tracks do look quite reflective in real life, the polarizing filters in camera lens make them look more matte than they should in video captures

1:15 that 350z model is such a joke, its insane to me how forza continues to give us bullshit and the normies give them praising for it, while the ones who truly care about the quality of the game get we're ungrateful and spoiled. Sorry, but no game in 2023, after being worked on for 5+ years with statements such as "built from the ground up" boasting about raytracing should be looking like this.

Wheels look the worst. Rims look like plastic junk

Are your videos in 1080p because i play on a potato of a 4k tv and side by side compared to gt7 forza stands out more real to me personally sometimes, maybe the washed-out grey filter I don't know what it is, gt7 the glare the brightness of the cars throws me off all the time, forza the backfire exhaust. but as for driving, I feel FM takes the slight lead which is extremely impressive saying gt7 is how old now. GT7 when viewing the cars or driving, the taillights and headlights definitely have way more detail

Motorsport looks like you're driving in a river when it rains. It's utterly ridiculous

sometimes the car show on stage after the race is got jagged..... Car is shiny, but lack of realism.....

The new FM has it's issues, and is still fun to play, however, there are some issues for sure. The graphics look similar on ultra and medium settings without RT and with RT looks slightly different with a massive performance hit. As far as the model quality goes, I don't see a difference in the present used ones when you change the setting which increases their quality. unrelated to the graphics though, I want split screen back, and with AI because it's all cloud based anyway. I can't access my cars offline or play career mode offline, which is a single player thing. This has a chance to be the best Forza, but they are dropping the ball in a big way with the amount of corner cutting they're doing. They've made steps forward in accessibility for new players and how the cars drive make me smile, but they took two steps back with the graphic issues, optimization, and the lack of local multiplayer. Our modern machines (console/PC) can handle all that AI anyways, why not allow split screen to exist with massive 24 car races in free race events (with the same event customization), and allow players to come together and race in person. (there could be a cool idea for the game to run on X monitors if your splitting the screen with X people, so that you can play the game on your own screen, and nothing is really compromised as far as screen space goes) Generally, they need to enhance the models, give us more features that got cut, and have better attention to detail. And the damage point is a good one to make, but also, it would be just cooler and more realistic to have debris that can interact with your car over the course of the next lap, and then disappear because it gets "cleaned up" by the officials on the sidelines (games like Nascar from as far back as 2004 and possibly further have that).

This game has to be the biggest let down in the entire franchise. The most unfinished as well.

For real the r34 gtr s tune bumper looks absolutely terrible. I remeber trying to recreate my r34 from the NFS games and I was so confused becaused it looked like ass

The worst 3d model of the forza series was the golf mk5 gti and they removed it in fm4..

People can say what they want about FM but i rather play it over any horizon.

I mostly agree but i hard disagree when you say Drive Club rain looks worse. Bro in what world does that look worse. Edit: Also the flashing is a simple disadvantage of using screen space reflections, which they are using.

Damage models is not Forzas Fault, its the irl Manufactures Contracts with the games

Forza Motorsport 2023: LOOKS LIKE BIG RIGS 2.0.

Forza looks like someone just pour oil all over the place. The thumbnails are the worst I’ve ever seen in a racing game. I’m on a series x with a lg c10. I’ve played with every visual setting I could including on the tv. It just looks terrible.

Built from the ground up

Gt7 has more realistic rain in my opinion and how the dynamic wheather system work is more advanced, car models is also in another league in gt7, they done their work remade all of their models witch means they are also future proof, forza needs to start doing this with their old models, pd does the car scans them self, turn 10 is not cabable of doing it them self, its outsourced, so its proably about money i would guess, i prefer gt7 over fm, i just dont find any good reason why i need fm at all, specially not considering I have to buy a new console to play it, sounds is not good either i dont know wtf turn 10 has been doing for 6 years both fh5 and gt7 has superior car sounds

Nice video, but one thing irks me. Driveclub *does* look better. Not good for its time, but better, period. New does not mean better

good video bro i thing the main thing that needs to get added asap over everything is pubilc hoppers then evervything else comes next

The devs r on facebook lying saying that isnt happening with horizon editions 😂

I really thought that my Xbox and even my 4090 is docking broken but no. This graphics are incredibly horrible specially the cars models in the showing mode.

nfs payback used to have good car models damn silvia was so nice

the cars look like boats in the rain

If Gran Turismo add an open world city mode its all over. Only thing missing

Hmm, I wonder who made that Reddit post... (1:27) Thanks for showing it, BTW. I appreciate it!

The whole game looks like absolute trash and runs like it too. I play on PC and have "decent" specs in my opinion, a Ryzen 7 5700, RTX 3070, and plenty of ram. However, this game runs so inconsistently it's nearly unplayable at times, forget about having RTX on and high settings, if I want anything more than 25fps I have to set everything one or two notches down. Strangely enough Forza Horizon 5 looks MUCH better, has much more world detail and more assets to generate than this game and more destructible environments (so you'd assume more demanding) but runs SO much better. With FH5 I can play on ultra settings with RTX on and cap out at the 72fps it's set to. HOW is that even possible?

Knowing I put so much time into it and trying to enjoy it. This is most definitely the worst one they have made. The idea of what they was trying to do was nice but missed the target. It’s boring the career is boring it’s just a really plain racing game and not due to no in game racing music.

I still love Forza Horizon 3 to this day with my G920. I got bored of Horizon 4 and Motorsport 7 quick. Sad to see the state of this new reboot if you ask me.

I just don't find the game enjoyable to play from a driving prospective, even the race cars feel too heavy and unresponsive compared to earlier titles, it feels like there's artificial delay almost. 64 times the tire fidelity dosen't mean squat if the physics itself is fundamentally flawed. FM 2023 should not feel worse to play than FM2 2007.

Horizing 5 looks better

That is NOT what my Forza looks like on my Series X. I don't know what settings you're using but mine looks alot better than that.

Having 700+ cars in the forza games you know manufacturers wound't want to generally see their cars crushed to pieces. It's probably much easier to obtain licences this way and also how many players do you think care about damage? We're not playing forza for the destruction.

low poly trueno on preview of video have better proportion then trueno from forza xd

The damage model cannot be done due to licensing issues, it's annoying but we can't ask for something that cannot ever be changed unless we want Forza with GTA cars, everything else is completely valid

Good video but flight simulator wasn't built on forza tech ( if only they used flight sim engine for forza )

it is not the pc. it is just the game. it looks really foggy.