Yeah, I don't think people should do the carnivore thing if they don't actually need it. In my case eating this way is like a medical prescription. I would be housebound without it, but I don't watch all those videos anymore since they tend to be repetitive. I already got what I need. There's not much else to learn to be successful with this diet. Its just RU-vidrs needing continuous content *shrug*. I do think the diet is a miracle that deserves more medical respect because people like me benefit from it when drugs don't work. So it's kind of sad to hear when people who don't need it decide that they don't want to do it anymore so they trash it by calling it a cult, because I find that attitude undermines the good that the diet does for so many people who do need it. Anything can be a cult, but not everyone on this diet is a cult member.
U nailed it with the youtube Comment. The diet is a youtube scam. They are doing it for views. That's why there is only like 5 doctors on youtube promoting it
I had zero energy on the carnivore diet, couldnt exercise, was dragging myself around after week 7 felt much better adding some carbs. Carnivore is definitely not a good diet for everyone.
I agree! Also, if you don't do serious resistance training (especially for older folks), the carnivore diet can easily make one too skinny and under-muscled. I see this all the time, keto-carnivore people who have become underweight and under-muscled. Then the obsession with always losing weight happens and the eating disorder follows along with it. This is not good.
@@BachScholar good on you for seeing how majority of carnivore diet folk can be , I’m the same height as you but different goals and a lot younger I’m 27 , I first started out as very skinny only 145 then now as a vegan I bulked up to 178lbs still trying to get up to a heavier weight like 190 cus I been getting into a lot of heavy lifting 5x a week and deadlifting
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@@rachelgoodkind6545 all these "eat just this one thing" are sponsored by some food industry. america sponsored eating grains for breakfast because they had to sell all the overproduced grain once soviet union stopped buying it.
Thankyou for your honest and refreshing reflection. I tried carnivore for approx 90 days and in some ways I felt better, but also I couldn’t poop. Weight stayed about the same, but weight loss was not the goal, rather to improve energy and reduce pain. To be honest going carnivore has really messed up my relationship with food. I have become really unsure now about what is healthy to eat and have to retrain my brain that fruits, veges and carbs can be safe and okay for the body. I know there are people that have success fixing health conditions on carnivore, but there are probably equal amounts of people that develop health issues on carnivore. There really does not seem to be a one sized fits all!
Same here. I stopped only meat after 5 months of gaining weight. I just didn't have the energy and think my body struggled to process all the meat. Now I've added veggies. I miss simple meals but I have to do what's healthy for me. I wish I had dropped a bunch of weight but it just didn't happen. And I was not going to take another 6 months to carnivore harder.
@@vs0063 - there are good videos here, discussing reasons why some may not do well on full carnivore .. did u watch them ? glad u find what works for you.
Eating carnivore almost killed me - that after 5 weeks of this diet i ended up in hospital … all started with me having diarrhea , being tested that i have sibo .. for 6 weeks i tried low fodmap diet it did not help , then i switched to keto diet for a month , it neither did any good , i had 8-9 time diarrhea a day , last thing i did was carnivore diet , consuming mostly beef lamb and eggs with gee since i am lactose intolerant, my diarrhea increased my brain fog increased , i could not sleep even thought i added electrolytes and salt .. i started eating lean to stop diarrhea never helped .. i dropped from 81 kg to 63 with 192 cm height , i could not walk any more .. whoever says carnivore diet is ultimate remedy for gut problems is at least ignorant , there should be some better studies , now i am just trying to survive eating boiled vegetables at hospital
I have Sibo, this lead me to start carnivore in hopes of curing it. I'm rather put off by the idea now, after hearing yours and others stories about how the carnivore diet did the opposite of healing. I hope you manage to get better soon!
@@wisdomscall8485 you can try but don’t overtry, don’t be like me , if you see u r having diarrhea and extreme weight loss just stop it .. i ll keep u updated about my treatment
When you eat Carnivore and you meet your protein needs ... your body will take the extra protein and turn it into carbs ( glucogenisis) ... That is why you do not need carbs ... Keto is different ... You eat more fat then protein on keto ... If you are not in ketosis you are not doing keto ... 50 carbs is probably too high to be in ketosis ... It is for me ... I got off a keto diet because I lost too much weight ... Even thought I was eating 3x as many calories ... That said we are all different ... The main thing is get off of processed food and sugar ( grains are processed and turns into sugar) ... Take out the food that personally bothers you ... Listen to your body ... It will talk to you ... Thanks for sharing.
We as a society have no idea what a good diet sould be. It is sad we need to do so such ambiguous experimenting to try to get healthy. I been carnivore 4 mths lost 25 lb. I think its good sling shot in the right direction but not sustainable for the long term. FOR ME. Godspeed
Hello, Cory! I am a guy in my early twenties who started watching your channel for the piano stuff, but as I recently embarked on my own fitness journey, I found your videos of this type really interesting. I appreciate that you have shared your experience with the diet, I think it requires a certain amount of confidence to talk about this stuff and openly change your mind about something in today's world (a lot of people are sticking to their beliefs unnecessarily religiously). Just wanted to say thanks for the valuable content you provide, and I wish you all the best with the muscle gains!
We cannot say one diet is for everyone. Some people benefit initially on a specific diet but not in the long term. A mainly protein and fat diet may be right for some while a mainly carbohydrates diet with lower fat will work for others...its short term vs diet for life ... as long as we eat real whole foods we each have to find what works best for us as individuals...thrre are many factors to consider...age, genetics, activity level, are you on your feet all day or sitting at your computer !! Etc etc 😊
I agree 100% that all of these extreme dieters (vegetarians, vegans, carnivores or others) whose diets are extremely restricted are becoming like members of cults. If, for health reasons, one needs to follow a restrictive diet, then I'd understand. I myself have a lot of chronic health conditions and as a result cannot eat sugar or refined carbs. But I eat my vegetables, and like you I don't think I will die of eating vegetables, although I have to steam them before eating or I will feel sick afterwards. So, diet should be a personal matter. Pushing one extreme diet or another on others is WRONG. Having biases against plants or meats is WRONG. Everyone's different, we all have different bodies and genetics, so we need to choose for ourselves what would best work for us and our bodies.
I'm carnivore, but I think more like Dr. Kiltz, who says you can treat yourself from time to time, but not all the time. Everyone is different, and there are different spectrums of a Proper Human Diet. What most of these diets have in common is the elimination of ultra processed foods, seed oils, and sugars. If everyone would cut those three things out of their diet, everyone would be healthier. I stay away from the carnivore police, lol.
I’m so relieved to find your video here. After over 30 years as a vegetarian/pescatarian I finally switched back to meat several weeks ago now. 2-3months ago. I was desperate to do something about pain in my hip, ankles, feet and other places. Plus I could do with losing some weight. So I caved in to the miracle stories I keep reading. “After a week on Carnivore I threw away my walking stick and glasses!!” Etc etc!! Well I don’t know if there’s something I’m doing that’s profoundly wrong but it’s a simple diet so can’t think what, but so far, no change in the pain I have, and just the last week I’m waking up feeling muzzy, mild headache and stomach ache. I can’t think of a single thing that’s improved. Although the constipation has been mild. I’ve not yet given up but am now unsure how this can be for me. Then last night I watched a video by some carnivore evangelist criticising and pulling apart a sportswoman who has decided to stop doing it. And it struck me that this was now a cult - pure and simple. Anyone leaving the cult is an apostate that must be mocked and shunned, ostensibly to stop others leaving. Carnivore is the final word and no-one must blaspheme. I suddenly felt really angry and idiotic. Anyway, I still think we all should lower the amount of carbs and sugar in our diet, I believe that’s what’s behind the obesity explosion but I have done keto before as a pescatarian and probably that is better for me. Just go low carb and stick with it this time. I will just say I have lost a bit of weight, but not enough that anyone sees it 🫤 and also, I really do hate red meat!! I struggle to eat it no matter how I cook it! And it stinks horribly!! It’s been a big disappointment. Anyway, thanks for listening!
@@cherylkerkin1 Basically the Carnivore diet is an elimination diet and nothing more.For example nightshade vegetables can cause inflammation etc. Once you isolate the problem foods you alleviate the inflammation etc. I put more trust on the Bible verses that God promoted plant based foods, meat fish, bread, etc. Whenever I read about a centenarian they were all Omnivores…usually majority plants with fish and meat…also meat can have its own toxins like antibiotics heavy metals pesticides that animals ingest…feed lots and also grazing. I actually worked on a farm as a teenager and saw it wasn’t the most sanitary and that’s why antibiotics are used on the animals. As corporations are replacing the family farm more and more factory farming techniques are being used on the animals as there are documentaries on this….I would take my chances on your diet of vegetables and fish…
I have been looking into the Carnivor diet for a while. I see and read about the benefits and can see the reasoning and science behind it, but one has to be careful about any radical proposition. This video is heavy on the emotional and social aspect of the life style change...was there any long term health problems? Thanks
From what I can tell, the carnivore diet seems to be the most successful for people who grow up with it, especially those whose parents were carnivores as well. Their bodies have never known anything different and they are not having to undo years and years of damage Indigenous Australians for example, were extremely healthy before European settlement. The Europeans were impressed with how healthy they were in general especially their jaws and perfect teeth They ate manly animal products and used plants as condiments & medicine Of course, these days, they are more unhealthy than most other people in Australia as their diet and lifestyle have been trashed Also, if people grow up knowing nothing different than eating mainly animal products, then they don't have any cravings for anything else
This showed up in my feed when looking up carnivore and I'm glad I discovered your music channel! I used to play keyboards and looking to get inspired again. Your transformation with diet and workouts is also inspiring. Thanks for the honesty here. (also, Cookie is adorable!)
I have found a traditional and healthy Omnivore Diet is truly the best! It is rather scary how influential a few doctors with ideas can be on the Internet. Luckily, I had a health issue that forced me to look at the research surrounding gut-health and the importance of a varied diet. So I went on a diet journey, too ~ only to find my way back to a very normal/traditional foods diet. I have only cut-out added-sugar and as many preservatives and additives as possible. (And two more foods because of allergies.) Congratulations to you and thank you for sharing your thoughts, photos, and experience. You look fantastic!
optimal vegetarian/vegan diet is the most healthy as shown in many population studies and RCTs and Meta studies but not realistic for most due to personal preferences. Omnivore diet can be very healthy as long as it contains alot of vegetables, fruits, good carbs no processed sugars, probiotics, prebiotics, omega 3, nuts, plenty healthy fats, and low amount saturated fats and as little as possible transfats. Also quantities in moderation and possible fasting period everyday are considerations, if health is the main priority.
Not everyone just does keto for weight loss, some people do it for health, I remember when I cut out sugar all those horrible rashes that flared up so bad just disappeared. My back acne went (didn’t even know that was because of my diet) I lost weight and I feel amazing. I can still eat delicious foods and make it delicious, maybe your meals were boring or the same thing. If I ever crave something I find out how to make a keto version and it usually turns out delicious. Not always sometimes I need to experiment more because there are multiple ways to make something but it’s usually just as good and you would never tell the difference like keto pancakes, shepherds pie, pizza. Keto ice cream, for me I can eat all those things with no health consequences of my skin flaring up and feeling like shit after, I remember getting a horrible crash after each meal, I don’t feel like that anymore also I feel like the sugar used to effect my moods and how I feel. Unless you wanna get huge you can build muscle on Keto, it’s up to you what you do as long as it makes you feel good and healthy, for me I feel amazing cutting out sugar, but you gotta listen to what your body wants health wise, after a year I might switch to low carb adding things like sweet potato honey and fruits I don’t usually eat but I don’t know I’ll see how my body feels and if I really wanna do that… tbh im really happy with my diet now as it is now on keto
Some do it for death and a shorter lifespan. Let's be real consuming dead animals only leads to premature death, disease, and aging. Not exactly rocket science but truly is science 😊
I honesty dont know any person who was on carnivore diet and lived until old age. Kings, butchers, Eskimos. They all die early. Best diet in the world is Mediterranean diet.
Or, what's wrong with just eating a lot of meat? Why must eating a lot of meat automatically exclude everything else? Also, according to carnivore logic, if you eat fruits and vegetables then you are a "vegan" by default (even if you eat a lot of meat). In reality though, the vast majority of people who eat fruits and vegetables are not vegan, but omnivore.
@@BachScholarI’ve never heard a single person on the carnivore diet say that you’re vegan if you include fruits and/or vegetables with meat. However, there are ridiculous extremist dogmatic people on both carnivore and vegan diets. It’s important not to lump everyone together.
Great video! Thanks for your honesty. I totally get it. I’ve been carnivore for 7 months but I supplement a lot because I don’t believe I can get full nutrition from just meat. What I have learned from being carnivore, is how much protein and fat I need to keep my blood pressure from going to low and to prevent hypoglycemia which was a problem for me. Also my eyes have healed from the fat increase. It was painful to open them in the morning So dry and it felt like my retina was ripping. I think I am going to include healthy carbs into my eating pattern now. So I guess that will make me a ketovore lol. So much confusion around what to eat I find . I’ll keep watching your channel and see how you’re making out. Thanks again
How am I being “mean”, simply by giving reasons why I quit the carnivore diet? I make no ad hominem attacks on any of the doctors I mention. Then how am I being “mean”??
I work at a Truck Driver and struggle with weight and fitness with my terrible work schedule. I was interested in Carnivore, it is well argued, and I've seen a rise in positive anecdotal stories. Even I myself got past a bout of IBS by switching to meat only for just under a week; basically zero FODMAPs. I'm starting to reconsider and think maybe Carnivore is a powerful short term elimination tool, or that perhaps Red Meat is even beneficial in small amounts, but I've also had this Cult vibe about eating nothing but Meat. I really don't think it can argued Humans did this even as hunter gatherers; it starts to all seem absurd.
My father was a carnivore all of his short life. He never got sick and felt great until he got Colon cancer at 58 and died at 63…Brock Lesnar was a Carnivore and for a nasty case of Diverticulitis and they cut out a foot of colon from him…I’m an Omnivore and these extreme diets are nothing but an elimination diet. I agree. Most centenarians are Omnivores.
@@BIGTEX888-hh9ot - interesting; this is why I am worried about this diet, as my bio mother died from colon cancer aged 38. why don't the carnivores mention this ? and some of us have genetic weaknesses in this area. I think it dangerous for just anyone to eat carnivore diet.
I lost over 100lbs calorie counting but because nothing is off limits I have been binging on candy and chocolate in the evening and cutting back on the real food which I love. So Im trying carnivore to kill the cravings
Keto and carnivore definitely help you control cravings for sugar and junk carbs. But once I was able control it, my cravings never got the best of me. Just learn to control the cravings and don't feel bad about caving here and there. I eat a good amount of chocolate and don't feel guilty about it.
Thank you and you look awesome sir. I wii go back to calorie counting 100% as I love it. I used MyFitnessPalpal. I’ll try and do this carnivore thing up til Xmas then see what’s what. I’m still like 35% body fat though@@BachScholar
I don't think people should dictate to others what they should eat. Everyone is different and our bodies have different needs. I don't think anyone can say any one diet is good for every single person on the face of the earth. Variables should be taken into account. Having said that, I want to try the carnivore diet for a bit to see how I go. I want to see what sort of results I get. I hate cooking anyway and I always have difficulty getting enough vegetables in. I usually only eat veges because they say they're good for me. I don't like food being too complicated. I only eat when I'm hungry. I don't have much of a sweet tooth. I don't drink alcohol, soda or juice. I only have one coffee in the morning. I don't plan on becoming a strict carnivore long term. I've been exercising more this year. I will just see how I go. Luckily I just got rid of my ex last year. He was a jerk anyway. He kept complaining about my cooking and housework and didn't bother to help out with anything. I think everyone should just do what is suitable for them.
It worked extremely well for what you wanted to achieve. Now coming off it and incorporating foods to suit your life style and maintain/lose the weight is key
After 4 months keto/carnivore I almost had to get admitted to the ER for dehydration and potential malnutrition according to my doctor. My blood pressure laying down vs standing up scared my dictor and the nurse. I was having dizzy dpells and my head felt like it was getting squeezed to death and my hands and mouth were tingling and i kept getting neck spasms and started hallucinating that i was "contaminated" with hallucinogenic drugs from simply touching surfaces and kissing my very worried and alarmed partner.
Please blame ignorance and yourself for your troubles. Sounds as if you didn’t educate yourself well enough about how important it is to hydrate your body when on a carnivore lifestyle. Electrolytes are the main thing, specially in the beginning and the reason many people suffer carnivore flue. So blaming the diet is just unfair and ignorant.
@@BIGTEX888-hh9ot … My friend! Do it right and you will see results! What else can I say?! Be a vegetarian, be unhealthy, look gray and look miserable…
@@ivoivic2448 if you only ate carbs and eliminated fats you would become so skinny you might die. Its the fat that makes use fat not sugar and carbs. I eat a high carb high sugar diet and I keep fat intake no more than 10 grams a day. I'm losing weight already. My cortisol is very low because sugar lowers cortisol. If you eat strict carnivore or strict keto you will not have any sugar intake to lower cortisol in the morning. Its bad and you will hit a wall sooner or later.
Thank you this was very interesting. I think you’re right about the cult thing. I have friends that are on carnivore and they’re just like obsessed. I personally think we need a little variety in our diet.
Agree 100% that people who don't need this diet should not eat this way. I am irritated by people who are obsessed with it and don't need it. Those people give people like me, who actually medically require this diet, a bad name.
We're not addicted to carnivore (well, speaking for myself), we're obsessed with the way eating carnivore makes us feel. If enjoying life fervently because I can finally get out of bed without immense pain and my mental health is no longer causing misery for my entire household makes me obsessed...so be it!
Did you research more fat in your diet for more energy on carnivore? I would of done that first before adding carbs for sugar wich then gave you more energy. A higher fat intake would of gave you the same benefits. Im on day 8 and feel like i got so much energy vs before i started. Wow. Now asthroserosis forming from high fat is dangerous. I wouldnt do this or recomend it unless your taking a vitamin k2 mk7 along with vitamin d3 plus vitamin c. K2 in studys reduces asthroserosis by alot in studys and vitamin c is important for a healthy vascular system.
Even Dr. Paul Saladino, who was once strict carnivore, has started to include a bit of honey and fruit. Lengthy story, but you might find his experience interesting. Ultimately, I think we have to find the universally agreed upon commonalities in what constitutes a healthful diet (highly processed junk food, e.g. is not a good thing.) and springboard from there to find what works for us. I've also had experience (and success) with both keto and carnivore eating and am trying to figure out "where to go from here". As an aside, I am also 60 as of last month. Thank you for sharing your experiences and being an encourager to others on similar journeys! Cookie puppy, you are the sweetest. :)
I eat not only fruit and honey, but oatmeal, rice, beans, tortillas, and an occasional donut or two. I also eat all kinds of vegetables and fruit and I don't exclude anything for being "bad". I also eat red meat, eggs, pork, chicken, and seafood. I guess that makes me an omnivore.
Because I am diabetic, there are things that--for me-- are simply off of my list because they put my blood sugar into the stratosphere. But I accept that for the sake of healthy A1C levels. You're doing great, congratulations! 😊
Hey Cory, don't beat yourself up for changing your mind. You've made excellent progress as far as weightloss is concerned. I tend to eat lots of red meat but I balance that out with fruit, honey, etc. in the morning. I'd say I'm about 70% whole foods and 30% flexible with my diet (pizza, pasta, ice cream, take-out, etc.). I think it's processed foods that are more harmful than we think, but you should still live a little. The Paul Saladinos of the world I think send out a good message of "You should learn about what you're eating," but to do it as intensly as they do I think is detrimental. Every social gathering becomes an issue of 'can I eat this?' or 'Is the chef using canola oil? I don't want to be annoying.' I think ketogenic styles of eating are excellent temporary diets for fat loss but it puts you in a state of starvation. You did the weightloss portion and have probably learned more about food in the process, which is something you can be proud of
Thanks. Oh no, I am not beating myself up. I feel relieved. I just have finally realized that any extreme like vegan or carnivore is cultish and like a religion. Why must it always be about extremes? Can't we just eat food and enjoy it? Can't we just eat breakfast without feeling guilty that we didn't "intermittent fast" until mid-afternoon as all the kelo/carnivore gurus recommend? By the way, don't tell Dr. Saladino but I ate OATMEAL this morning.....oh no, the phytates!!!!
Yeah dawg, I kinda agree with you on this one here. Carnivore diet is kind of a cult sometimes, but that’s their problem. After all, they’re the ones who developed a food addiction.
I do believe a carnivore diet is extremely healthy, however I don't believe you need to eat only animal products to be healthy. I believe you should just listen to what your body needs, and its okay if you want to splurge sometimes and dont beat yourself up over it. I tried going carnivore but I love coffee and tea and I always feel ashamed for having it, so now I just decided to be mostly meat based but still include tea and coffee. But I realize that it doesn't mean I can't live a full and happy life. If someone can go their whole life eating a modern american diet and live a long and happy life, splurging once in a while is not going to instantly give you cancer or kill you.
Same here, my husband and I are mainly carnivores and have been so for over six months now. The benefits are undoubtedly worth the change from conventional diet. But in the last month we have re introduced a small amount of carbs in the form of some vegetables and fruits…at the weekend only. Mainly for social reasons as it makes it easier to go out and share wit family and friends. But Monday to Friday we only eat Red meat, eggs, water and Redmans real salt. We feel amazing and look much younger than out late 50s .. strict carnivore isn’t for us, but we love it 👍🏻
I was carnivore /keto off and on for a few months, then went hard core carnivore last summer. Had a heart attack about two months later. I'm "only" in my early 50's and barely over my ideal weight, so at the hospital I was the young, fit guy surrounded by obese 70 year old heavy smokers. Was carnivore to blame? I can't categorically state that it was, but I base my decisions on my own life experiences. Every doctor, nutritionist etc I talked to during my recovery said they were very sceptical of diets based on high quantities of saturated fat and they all said the mediterranean diet is the way to go long term. Beans, olive oil, vegetables in all their glory, seafood, some meat when I feel like it, avoid processed foods, saturated fat, excess dairy, excessive starches etc. That's sustainable. I'm going with that.
The doctor who created the Atkins Diet came out against his own diet before he died. He said it was no good, all that dead animal flesh, eggs, loaded with saturated fat and cholesterol. He made a video but it didn’t get much notice or attention.
I'm glad you are finding what works for you. I do see similarities in the carnivore community becoming very culttish and bullish just as I've seen in keto and vegan communities as well. I'm not dogmatic about what other people are eating. It's none of my business. Yes I love those I care about and want to see them healthy but at the end of the day they have that choice. Just like I do. After over a year I had to add back in more carbs and I could care less if that no longer makes me a "carnivore." I was never really a carnivore anyway. I'm a human.😅
Very interesting! I would like to hear a lot more about the details of your updated diet. I am on a minimal carnivore diet and finding it very difficult to give up fruit here and there, because I feel the need for it. Not feeling the need for vegetables.
I forgot to add that I eat 4 to 5 times a day now over about a 12 hour window. I don't do intermittent fasting or time restricted eating. I simply eat about every three hours. When I was carnivore, I would eat only at the most two times a day over a narrower window like 8 hours and intermittent fast all the time. I don't think this is necessary at all.
Wow, based on this reply and others you just gave, you have really given up the strict carnivore diet and gone to an omnivore diet. I wonder if you will start to gain weight again? I think you are on to something and should give us detailed ongoing status reports if this is your thing.@@BachScholar
You may have an issue with oxalates, check Sally K Norton on that. She eats fruits to help slow down the "dumping" and finds that that's what she needs because straight carnivore is too much for her body. Nothing wrong with fruits every now and then too!
Difference between using carnivore to lose weight vs living with lower chances of various diseases, gut health, and inflamation. You can lose weight by restricting calories and not going carnivore but that doesn't mean you'll be 100% healthy.
Glad you used carnivore diet to lose weight. I am doing low carb my whole life so basically I'm always lean and healthy. zero medication throughout, not even NSAIDS. zero pain. Add leafy vegetables and some low sugar fruits that are in season to your carnivore, you will feel even better and lighter.
Well, it seems like keto and carnivore did give you success. But you are no longer following them because you want your carbs and because of marital friction. Everyone needs to make their personal choice, so I wish you success. What I found was odd is that you said Dr. Saladino bullied people for eating kale etc and yet how are you different? You automatically say everyone who’s following Keto and Carnivore are cult like, and simply casting a negative light on this way of eating…Why? b/c it does not suit you anymore. I would’ve respected this video more if you just said, what works for you without criticizing other people’s choices. I personally do low carbs. I lost 30 pounds on keto. I feel better, my blood work has been very good, So this works for me not only for losing weight but my over all health. I wish you well. I just hope you can explain your choices without criticizing others for theirs…
I am not "criticizing" others for anything. It seems like you are on the defensive here. You eat what you want and I eat what I want. I am criticizing a whole pattern of eating that is bordering on disordered behaviors and psychological conditioning. Please watch my more recent "Diet Cults" video if you haven't already. I am not criticizing individuals, but rather I am criticizing a "movement" or "way of eating". Many carnivores (and vegans) have developed eating disorders and the influencers often promote orthorexic behavior.
But he is right. It is a cult around a diet and lifestyle, inventing a totally different science and history. I mean people following this diet either claim that humans always have been carnivores or evolved to be mainly carnivores. We do not even have to go to archeological records. This get‘s easily debunked, since we do get arteriosclerosis as it is well documented. Carnivorous species do not - they are adapted to the high saturated fat consumption. Of course, if you point this out, you get called a liar, because early humans were hunters, they ate all meat. Yeah - well hunter GATHERERS. But hey then you could have an hours long discussion over archeological records not matching an all-meat diet, because your evidence is always not from the time period they were referring to😂. Then the claim that everybody outside the low carb/keto community is lying to you about your health and nutrition and health care providers want to make you sick so you have to buy more medication….. And the fact that you gained weight in the past is not your foult - it was all a secret agenda by the food and Pharma industry. It could not have been that you ate too many calories or something - the carbs made you fat they forced you to eat, even though you nearly ate nothing. Sorry to tell you, but if you have eaten a whole food diet based on whole grains and vegetables, mostly carbs, drank water, avoided candy and sugar, ate little fat and meat, you would not have ended up obese. You can not tell me you followed the old food pyramid if your food included burgers, pizzas, fries, cake, cookies, crackers, sugared drinks, sugared cereals, Sirup, deep frying, flavored yoghurt - that‘s more candy then anything, white bread that is sugared (that‘s not bread, but cake), any ready made meal, any meal at a fast food restaurant, potato chips, coffees with cream and sirup. That is not in line with it, and still what the majority eats and blames the old guidelines on. Well but it works right? People loose weight on carnivore and keto - so everything about those conspiracies must be right! Wrong: You loose weight if you eat less calories then you consume. If you cut out almost everything out of your diet, guess what? You will loose weight. But if you tell them that you get called a liar, insensitive and have no idea about what achievement that is. I get that weight loss is hard. Been there, done that, and still doing that… I would not care if the claims of this diets just were about weight loss, but they are not and they lack evidence. Suddenly it decreases inflammation that plant toxins are obviously causing. Funny - we do have evidence of high meat intake raising inflammation markers. It cures your infertility. Funny, we do have evidence, that high red meat intake is associated with infertility. It reverses diabetes, NAFLD, metabolic syndrome and lowers blood pressure and relieves joint pain. Funny, that‘s what weight loss can do - on any diet. It cures autoimmune disease. Funny but no. You can not cure autoimmune disease. You can avoid flair ups. Flair ups are triggered by stress, foods your sensitive too, contact with toxins and infections. So what you are doing with carnivore is removing all foods but meat. If it is not meat you are sensitive to you removed all trigger foods. Did you cure it? Hell no. Did you find a individual diet tailored to your autoimmune disease like with lowFODMAP or AIP? - Hell no! But I feel amazing on Carnivore so I must be healthy! Well I can tell you that people with high blood pressure can also feel amazing and healthy - because you don‘t feel that. You can not feel arteriosclerosis until it is to late either. Which brings me to the point I‘m most angry about. Lying about any risk there is to these diets. High LDL-C Oh, it would be concerning if you would not be on carnivore or keto, but since you are it is fine. If you have low TG/HDL ratio it does not matter. Oh carnivore only increases large fluffy LDL particles, so it does not matter. Only small ones -that you get by eating carbs-are dangerous And don‘t believe your doctor telling you otherwise, since he is working for big Pharma and lying to you. And don‘t let them put you on a statin, it is dangerous and useless…. LDL-C does not matter. It is a lie of the sugar industry that high LDL causes heart disease. It is the sugar and the carbs instead. Ancel Keys manipulated his data so we all thought that….. All misinformation coming from that community, stories not even matching, but when confronted with evidence, you are called a liar again since all studies have been payed for by big Pharma and big food. And of course, there is no evidence provided for any of their claims. Scurvy - Vitamin C deficiency Carnivores need less vitamin C since they don‘t eat carbs. Evidence is because I say so There has been no one on carnivore developing symptoms on scurvy. I remember one of those carnivore docs saying that. Well liar. A simple google search tells you otherwise. James Blunt gave an interview about it. And strangely you also find special carnivore vitamin c supplements to buy on some of those docs websites. Strokes. You find even a RU-vid video about somebody having a stroke on carnivore, nearly quitting it and listening to her doctors, but sadly rather chooses to do her own research on RU-vid…. It‘s like somebody brainwashed her, seriously. I could go on and on, but yes it is a cult like community where lies become facts, and everything that does not fit the narrative is deemed a lie. And this is harming people. Keto for example is a medicinal diet for epilepsy. It has great potential maybe treating other neurological and maybe neuropsychiatrical disorders as well as diabetes. But it has risks like every medication does. Denying that would be crazy. And it has not been denied in studies about treating epilepsy with it. So why can‘t the keto community not be open with that and tell everybody who experienced negative effects they did it wrong or it must be something else causing it? „Oxalate dumping“ for example which is a made up condition comes to my mind. For the carnivore diet, on the other hand I see no real potential for anything - there is no study data and only social media anecdotes - who knows what is truth or lie in them.
I got out of Scientology. We all know that's a cult. But I've got first-hand experience. I know how they function. I've seen what they're like on the inside. I'd say Carnivorism/Veganism are just two sides of the same coin, but still a cult. A diet cult. Perhaps not as pervasive as Scientology, but they definitely employ the same manipulative tactics.
In one year, you have tried every diet. You didn't stick to any one for a long time. So I can't accept any of your claims as "that's it". I have been on the Keto diet for 4 years and it has done wonders for me. Now I want to try the Carnivore diet. I will give her the same 4 years and then I will be able to claim whether is good or not. I won't even try a vegan diet for several reasons. Logic tells me that it is not a healthy diet in the long run. In addition to logic, there are also proofs. As for demonizing food. This has been happening for the last 70 years. Meat and fat have been demonized for 70 years. For 70 years, attention has been diverted from sugar, which is responsible for many of today's diseases. It is essential to avoid ultra-processed food. I dont see carnivore like cult, for me vegans are more like cult. I agree that people need to have self-control when it comes to calorie intake.From another point of view, I admire vegans who have taken that path because they love animals. Because they risk their health, their lives for the love of animals. Although to grow what they eat we kill a lot more animals than the carnivorous diet. It is essential to avoid ultra-processed food.
No, veganism AND carnivore are both very cultish by their very nature. You must see both sides from an equally unbiased point of view. I do not claim any one diet is superior, as you imply. What ever happened to simply eating normal food from all the food groups like they did in the 1950s and 60s? Nobody was fat then and all the body dysmorphia issues and food cults that are rampant today hardly existed at all. I now eat a 1950s omnivorous diet and this is certainly better than extreme diets like vegan and carnivore, both physically and socially.
@@BachScholar You are absolutely right. The carnivore diet is literally veganism inside out. Both groups says the other group’s way of eating is wrong. Both sides have “proof” backing their way of eating. Oh , and we cannot forget that famous line, “You did it wrong”, when someone comes out about quitting and bringing up their reasons for doing so😂😂😂. Yes both groups are a cult with their own leaders they love quoting to back up whatever rhetoric they are spewing. I would stay far away from both groups. If you can “do a diet wrong”, that should tell us everything we need to know. They are both 2 sides of the same coin.
The issue is, calories are absolutely king for weight loss/ maintenance. Caloric adherence is the secret to it all. There are pros and cons to all levels of eating. The pro to lower carbohydrate consumption is it does drive down your hunger levels which in turn allow you to consume less calories. The negative to it is the lack of glycogen in your body which will negatively impact you with a training regimen. On the flip said, the 80% whole food 20% junk food approach allows some flexibility and food freedom, but the negative to that is, you will deal with cravings and the mental battle of hunger. Eating these type of ways is hard; being fat is hard. I tell people to choose your hard
I also did carnivore for a little over a month, very STRICT and I am a healthy male, this diet is not sustainable for someone who has a family, married etc, whenever my wife and I went out to dinner she would enjoy salads, potatoes, etc and I was stuck with my 3rd piece of steak for the day...BORING and also, I experienced NONE of all these so called super human feats these crazy people claim, if anything I started losing all interest in food. So this diet is a complete joke, its an elimination diet...it eliminates everything healthy, and the joy of food were suippose to have.
I’ve met Fully Raw vegan Kristina while she lived in Houston at a food coop and must admit she is very healthy and looks very healthy…not sure why Carnivores knock Vegans…she has great skin tone skin texture and healthy in the eyes…and in fantastic shape…
The term "cult" has no negative connotations in historiography, and is often used to describe groups with distinctive beliefs and high levels of commitment....the word cult as actually means to grow; think of cultivate, agriculture, horticulture, or just a culture. Don't let Charles Manson ruin a beautiful word for you.
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Everyone should just eat what their body enjoys and stop trying to push their own agenda on others. It really doesn't matter what a way of eating is called or what someone does. We're all just trying to achieve better health, and we all thrive on different diets. People get too emotionally attached and use it as a way to attack other ideologies. A shame really. Btw, Cookie is so cute!! Haha
So yeah, lump a whole group together much. Just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's a cult. I don't see anyone shaming anyone. I've been in and out of this lifestyle for nearly a decade tried. Vegan did some other things along the way, came back to carnivore. I've never been shamed more than when I was doing the vegan thing. The carnivore people are way less shaming Maybe you should just thick in your skin a little bit and quit worrying about what other people think and do what's right for one cares what you think about their lifestyle and that you think it's a cult. I think you're using that as an excuse not to double down.
There is nobody more cultish then the carnivore diet folk I literally have seen majority of carnivore dieters shame you for eating carbs and try to label you as a “sugar addict “
It's curious that some of the buffest guys who are obviously interested in muscle growth and maintenance are carnivore, even lion diet carnivore IIRC. I wonder what is different about their bodies that enables them to do that? I also see the women who have beautifully defined muscles who have been carnivore for years. Huh! I guess we can chalk it up to the fact that we're all different. But anyway, absolute statements that you can't do the muscle-building thing on carnivore don't register with me.
It's not just that, but quite honestly I simply cannot down that much meat and eggs in one day. Maybe for one meal, but for all meals ALL DAY LONG? It's not just about building muscle, it's about remaining sane and being able to eat food and being able to be social. I think most of these hardcore carnivores and keto people (as well as vegans) have EATING DISORDERS. They are all weirdos with eating disorders and body dysmorphia problems. But the big problem is food idolization, as if certain foods have magical properties that make you immortal. This is the impression you get when you listen to these hardcore carnivore zealots. They talk as if eating beef, butter, and eggs will somehow eliminate all disease, give you six pack abs, and make you live forever. This, of course, is BULLSH*T!
@@BachScholar It sounds like you did it wrong. Who eats meals "ALL DAY LONG" on a carnivore diet? I eat one to two meals a day, and then I'm done. It doesn't get any more simple than that.
It's probably the fasting that's built into it. You stay feeling full so you don't graze. You get used to that and soon you're fasting more often than not, then yiulre consciously fasting and fasting helps build muscles. Fasting also works best when low carb due to the addiction factor. I could never fast when on carbs. I'd feel too miserable. lol
@@redburtley6021 He also sounds kinda angry. Plus he's given to hyperbole. He's not someone I'd trust to provide accurate information about the carnivore WOE.
This is an interesting topic. Didn't you cut out fiber several years ago? I remember commenting on one of your videos about how you should include fiber in your diet because of the microbiome etc. However, I now think I was wrong to tell you that. Regarding muscle building, there seems to be evidence that fat+protein will stimulate muscle protein synthesis better than protein+carbs. However, the insulinogenic effects of carbs are anti-catabolic, which means you will probably lose less muscle, but at a cost. Purely optimizing for building muscle mass is unhealthy. You can biohack your body to put on an abnormal amount of muscle but your overall health might suffer, most notably your cardiovascular health. If you want a traditional bodybuilder diet, you might want to look up Vince Gironda. He was low carb and claimed eating lots of eggs had similar muscle building effects as a mild dose of steroids. The point being that it is possible to build muscle with a low carb diet. I do not take Layne Norton seriously as he gets basic fundamentals of physiology and physics wrong. At least you now have the low carb diet as a tool in your toolbox! :)
Yes, I think low carb or keto/carnivore is a good tool to use for short periods but I have doubts about the long term. Also, I LOVE FOOD. If it were proven tomorrow that I am cutting years off my life for wanting to eat delicious food, I would still not do it. Carnivores (and vegans) cut themselves off from society and alienate themselves from friends and family by treating their diet like a religion.
I am aware of Gironda's diet and admire his great physique (one of the best ever)! But I really don't think I could eat more than about 4 eggs a day without becoming sick of them. So even if it works like steroids to eat a dozen or more eggs a day, I still wouldn't do it. I admit I simply can't down that many eggs in a day. I think it's unnatural to eat that much of any one thing in a day.
I never go to the doctor and I never get blood work, therefore I need not worry about LDL. I have no idea what mine is and I don't care. Did people care about their LDL 200 years ago? Look at how far civilization and science has progressed in the last 5oo years without anyone knowing or talking about their LDL......lol
@@BachScholar I wish i can do that too but when you have your entire family in the healthcare community (including myself) saying this diet will kill you and get labs everyday, it is so frustrating. I have my doctorate in pharmacy but I felt like all it did was brainwash me. everything can be fixed by proper human diet. this LDL number is stopping most people that care about health to eat this way. It's the greatest attack from the matrix ever.
You speak as if carnivore is the only way one can possibly lose weight. Millions more omnivores have lost weight and kept it off than carnivores. Out of the 7 billion people on earth today, the vast majority are omnivores, not carnivores. And many of them have lost weight and kept it off.
Every time you ate 100g of carbs you stopped being in ketosis. As for muscle maintenance and energy you needed fat, not protein. That’s why you failed.
Yeah, Bill, you're going to learn that Dr. Chaffee is a fake.😂 Newsflash, Dr. Chaffee is on "sabbatical" from his surgical residency at the hospital. Is he ever going back? Who knows??😂 All he talks about with exercise are his Glory Days...from 25 years ago when he played rugby. He rarely exercises now. He has said it and his girlfriend Elle said it, to Rina, on her 5-Minute Body channel. He just had Botox and dyed his hair before the big Dr. Saladino video, he has incessant sniffing, from probably eating aged meat so much. He's sniffing and wiping his nose in almost every video. That is not normal. He looks like he has male gyno with his shirt off... Yeah, he is not the picture of perfect health by any stretch of the imagination. Many have speculated that he's on HGH too. I was on the Chaffee train for a year and I watched every video... And just felt worse and worse with no energy doing Ketovore. After I added in fruit and honey like Dr. Saladino, I feel so much better getting electrolytes from real food...fruit, instead of supplementing like a lot Carnivores do. Whenever anyone is having problems, Chaffee doubles down and tells them to go to meat and water only. It's absolutely ridiculous when they could be having other problems like electrolyte balances or something else! I think that Carnivore is a great short-term elimination diet, at best. Almost everyone is cheating on the Carnivore channels and they are in the comments too. If it's such a great diet, then why is everyone cheating??😂 I wish you good luck on your big weight loss journey, but doubtful that you'll stay on Carnivore forever. You don't have to stay at that extreme. I was at a total standstill with losing weight with Ketovore for a year. Now I'm losing weight again and feel great. Doubtful that Kerry will either. A much better plan is to cut out processed foods, the bad grains like wheat especially, sugars, and to eat whole foods. Good luck!
Interesting. One thing I notice from the carnivore community is that it strictly comes down to anecdotes. All the research is flawed and there is no perfect study Well, for that to happen, you would require unlimited funding and would have to incarcerate people in metabolic wards for years and years. I don’t ever see that happening But since there is no research from the carnivore community. Here is something that may be worth considering. You have millions of followers, so get one dollar donations from all the members to fund a study to shut everyone else up for once and for all. Professor Bart Kay can design the study to the best specifications and design to make it bulletproof. Then, under his supervision Dr Ken Berry can do the regular blood draws and monitor metabolic markers over those years, at the same time over the same years cardiologist Philip Ovadia can conduct all the major cardio function/health tests. As far as participants, I don’t think there would be any shortage of volunteers from the carnivore community willing to sign up to participate
@@azdhan lol.. I do believe that is the mother of all stretches I’ve ever heard in my life .. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but the carnivore community is exploding on RU-vid, and with good reason..and there are hundreds and hundreds of testimonials of people with private channels that are NOT monetized, and they are baring their testimony of the healing miracles they have experienced on carnivore over and over and over again.. I myself have lost 100 pounds in the last 11 weeks and 90% of my terrible symptoms have disappeared… my weight loss and massive health improvements have been documented by my visiting nurse, and I recorded her last visit with me…. this nation is the sickest it is ever been in our country’s history and it’s because the billion dollar food corporations have been lying for decades and paying off health officials who promote the inverted reality food pyramids and they make massive profits selling poison while the medical world makes massive profits off our sickness….
a.) re: "feeling full", you didn't do carnivore long enough to become fat adapted by the sounds of it. b.) your problem is your idea of what is a "medium amount of carbs" is brainwashed by the unnaturally huge amount of carbs available to us today. c.) We simply cannot need what our ancestors never had access to in such large quantities (carbs) d.) There are no cave paintings of veg or fruit. We also know fruit was a fraction the size and not sweet -from genetic data. e.) If you think we're omnivores then how do you explain the fact that our stomach acid is the same as other obligate carnivores on the planet and completely different to omnivores? f.) How do you explain the fact that carnivore humans experience less modern chronic disease or cancer than non-carnivore people if it isn't our natural diet? g.) If you're entire judgement of carnivore diet is the fact that paul saladino goes into shops shirtless then you need to do way more research.
How do you know what our "ancestors" ate? You are just repeating the usual "facts" propagated by all the prominent keto/carnivore influencers. I happen to not believe in evolution, so I don't believe we had "ancestors" in the evolution sense. My only ancestors are my parents, grand parents, great grandparents, etc. All my ancestors ate an omnivorous diet that included animal products, grains, fruits, vegetables. In fact, if you check your own ancestors, you will discover they ate omnivorous diets as well. This "4 million years" phrase repeated all the time by Bart Kay has never been proven.
@@BIGTEX888-hh9ot the bible was written only 2k years ago. Our guts evolved between millennia & 300k years ago. Modern farming started 10k years ago, when we introduced unnatural carbs. Therefore the bible doesn’t state what natural humans ate- it’s tainted by what we ate during the bible’s era, after mega fauna ran out & we created artificial carbs. Watch “homo carnivorus” by dr Barry groves- all the evidence that we are carnivore not omnivore, is there. Omnivores have a cecum. Humans don’t and as a result, we can’t digest fibre. We have an appendix where the cecum would be- indicating we were once plant eaters but are now carnivores. Indeed this follows the fact our brains became as developed as they are- a feat not possible on vegetation alone, as they don’t have enough energy to support the increased metabolic needs of humans with large brains.
Very interesting. I think people have to follow a diet that works best for them but also takes into account long term risk benefit analysis. That means you strictly go with anecdotal info only which you can find lots of for diets on You Tube aside from carnivore. Many people who are opposed to other diets cite each and every research study that supports them is flawed and so you should not trust anything but anecdotal information. There are no studies that speak to long term benefit health risk benefits of going 100% carnivore. There is also no way to design a perfect study as it would require unlimited resources and locking people in metabolic chambers for many many years which is unrealistic and would never happen. So if you go 100% Carnivore, you are playing Russian Roulette. If Apo B does contribute to arterial plaquing over time and a carnivore diet greatly elevates Apo B the damage to the arteries occurs over many many years and serious CVD may not surface for 30+ years or it may not, but either way you are rolling the dice with your health. Any diet that causes you to lose weight is great as obesity is in independent risk factor for many health issurs like Type 2,Diabetes and High Blood Pressure but that doesn’t mean you are not risking serious heart disease ftom having seriously elevated apo-b over 30+ years of gradual plaque formation. Also even if our ancestors ate only meat, they likely fasted and drank water for days, and walked miles when meat was not available so likely did not have continuously elevated Apo-B/ldl levels over years and years I follow Layne Norton too. Simon Hill the Proof podcasts are super interesting and you may really like those too. Good luck and thanks for sharing.
I really don't "follow" Layne Norton. He just raised some important issues nobody (i.e. carnivores) thinks about, namely, that if you make certain foods "forbidden" you will eventually end up binging on those foods more than if you just allowed these foods in small amounts or in moderation. All the data on whether or not carnivore is healthy for long-term health is a moot point. I don't care about it. What really bothers me about the carnivore diet is "I love food" and "I love cooking" and to forbid the use of plants in cooking basically makes it impossible to cook anything of taste and balance. There was a time in my life I almost went to culinary academy. I am a good amateur chef and to live the rest of my life without plants or any kind of spices other than salt would be meaningless. And please don't suggest "cauliflower rice" and other keto shit like this. I want real carbs like rice and potatoes. I like meat and potatoes or meat and rice, not just meat with nothing else. I mean really........When I look at photos keto and carnivore people post on media, it is usually disgusting. Most carnivores are atrocious cooks. All they do is fry a bunch of eggs, they don't bother to flip them over because they don't know how, and then what you get is these disgusting looking snotty sunny side up eggs that are not even cooked all the way (with those gross white snotty things all over). A big pile of meat and eggs not cooked well and not spiced well is disgusting. No restaurant would ever serve this kind of plate. What ever happened to moderation and balance? I think many carnivores have lost sight of reality and most of them are terrible chefs. And once again, I could really care less about APoB, diabetes, cholesterol, weight loss, and all these things keto/carnivore people love to argue into the ground. And this whole crap about oatmeal being "dangerous" and it will cause you to die an early death because of "phytates" is absolute BULLSH*T!
You just wanted carbs, if what you say is true Dr. Baker and Chaffee would not look like they do, I am in my mid 50's and muscle just keeps building so I guess I will stick with the cult, all I hear is a guy's that talks crap about anyone that does not do what your flip flopping butt does.
I look younger than Dr. Baker and I am like 5-6 years older. See my most recent video from April 28, 2024, "Bach's Table of Ornaments". I am 61 here. I definitely look younger than Dr. Baker at his current age. And I eat carbs! Just to add a cherry on top, I look younger than Dr. Berry does also, and there is even more of an age gap between us. Basically, take any health influencer in their 50s (and even some in their 40s) and 95% of the time I look younger than they do and I am a ripe old age of 61!
"Those are not foods" according to whom?.....Bart Kay. OK, so anything that comes out of Bart's mouth is automatically true because he is an unassailable scientist who cannot be questioned. NOT!
