Why Meta Knight Was BROKEN in Brawl, and How He Changed in Project Plus 

I don't see people mentioning much how Metaknight was the one character who can glide twice.

Funny how different was the approach Sakurai took in nerfing MK in Smash 4. He still feels largely like Brawl MK but his range was gutted and the most ridiculous stuff was toned down (up air endlag lol). That along with universally removing glides made him pretty balanced.

he's called META knight for a reason

1:04 MK's attacks have transcendent priority, which means that they just ignore any other hitboxes (they cannot clash/clank with anything). This means that the attack's range will greatly determine which move will beat out which, and well, MK has a sword, but some characters (like Marth) can technically outrange him.

His sworddive was broken, but it was so goddamn fun.

*Meta Knight when he got nerfed in PM & P+:* Oh no! Anyways…

Here's a fun fact: After the end of Brawl's competitive lifespan, players would discover that Fox of all characters had a potential winning match up against Meta Knight. And _heavy emphasis_ on potential as Meta Knight's edge guarding and air camping can heavily abused against him. Fox does have some useful tricks against him like his jump height, a very strong neutral and lasers that can rack up early damage fast against a heavily camping reliant MK and his dAir confirms into up smash for a quick kill. It's surprising given his final tier placement in Brawl, but his curse of being one of the only fast fallers in a game where everyone else is floaty and his linear recovery can be easily shut down. In conclusion I'd say it's a 55-45 at the very closest in MK's favor, but a 60-40 is a more fair assumption. I mained MK in PM and definitely felt the effects of his nerfs. I get his top tier placement in P+ because of the transition to a rushdown focus with a great air and air-to-ground game, but he's still the defacto short range glass cannon of the archetype. I'd put Meta Knight at either 4th or 5th in a P+ tier list with Donkey Kong and Wolf being some of his hardest match ups.

I wish they went this route with mk moving forward from brawl rather than making him rely on touch of death combos in smash 4 in ultimate

Some misinformation in the video: -Brawl MK's throws were actually just positional throws, they rarely combo'd, still really good though. -It wasn't mentioned that Brawl MK could activate his glide without using upB, it was incredibly broken and a big part of his recovery and scrooging under the stage. -Brawl MK's bair was still good at edgeguarding. -MK's sword is longer than Marth's, MK just doesn't have long arms and Marth has better moves to contest the space in front of him/they linger longer as well. -Dthrow doesn't really chaingrab people, unless they hold in on the move. -His diving dair was removed in 3.5, he had a dair similar to his brawl dair in 3.5 (like a weaker version of the 3.6 dair). -Nair doesn't have increased range or knockback in PM, it was much stronger in Brawl. -Instant dimensional cape doesn't really hit like a truck, it's a kill move for sure but it's moderate at best. -Dimensional cape only has one frame of invincibility, besides that his hurtbox is massively extended. -His moves are still transcendant in PM, which is actually a bad thing: he can't clank moves and then win the scramble with his faster frame data, can't clank projectiles either.

0:32 Fox was ranked SS tier in the Melee Twelfth tier list (December 10th, 2015) FYI

hey man, just want to tell you, really good video. Informative but easily digestible, and very well edited. Nice work

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12:14 The dive was in 2.6, not 3.5. It was actually removed in 3.5

I remember mew2king said that with Brawl's current ruleset he's not SS+ tier and ice climber are close to his level. He's massively overrated and the reason he was so popular was because of how fun he was. Still the best character in the game though. Quote from mew2king. "Ive openly stated my opinions since 2008 to present consistently, that most of the viable characters in this game besides mk have a boring gameplan. Example - I'm also a top ddd/falco/ike in brawl, but i found fishing for chain grabs (sideB/ftilt/bair/grabs for ddd and cg and camping for falco, basic sword spacing and jabs for ike) to get repetitive and boring to me. Brawl Marth i disliked (i actually only like marth in melee, and switching between both marths was negatively affecting my melee marth too much [such as tipper spacing on the moves] so i dropped the brawl marth quickly), and if you watch me in Ultimate or other games you'll know i dont enjoy projectile/item-based characters. Mk was the only character in brawl i truly loved, and there's inaccurate judgments/stigmas about the game as a whole i wanted to clear up as well."

Would love to see a video on ROB in P+

I remember when meta knight hade a busted stall and fall down air in PM good times.

Another awesome video

Ima be completely honest and say that as of today Meta knight is actually still SS tier but is actually not the unanimous best character, last september there was a new tier list for brawl and some stuff has changed

They always say that Meta Knight was broken, but they never explained why. Thanks for explaining why he was so good and not just "he was so good"

Know my Power! I loved playing Brawl Meta-Knight

At least Brawl made the cool one broken.

It's funny that Brawl Meta Knight is the perfect case study of how not to ban a character. The Brawl committee waited over 3 years to decide to ban the character. Now by this point, most high level players already decided to pick up the character because he was absurdly better than any other character. So what did all these high level players do when he was announced to be banned? Well they boycotted the events that he was banned at. You might by saying: So they boycotted majors for brawls? Well this is where the Brawl Committee really dropped the ball. Turns out they didn't communicate with the TOs for these majors to weigh in on a blanket ban across all majors leading to some big events having him banned and some events not having him banned. You can guess which one ended up doing better for attendance. The whole spectacle ended with the ban being completely ignored within a year.

Brawl and PM/P+ were the only games where Meta Knight was cool (despite being completely broken in the former). Smash 4 and Ultimate just boiled him down to Up Air the Character.

Imma gonna parody this!

where can I watch competitive project plus? I've been looking.

I always liked how Meta Knight being busted in Brawl was pretty much true to how strong he is in canon

Bro when i was a dumb little stupid kid that played brawl 24/7 and didn't checked the internet, because we didn't had wifi at that time I had no idea Meta knight was broken on Brawl, i just played as him because i loved the character

A juicy vid

It's not a pun saying Metaknight defined the meta in brawl because that's literally where the term came from.

the more i see meta knight in smash i wonder why does he fight with his cape because he doesn't really fight with it on in kirby games

What is Meta Knight's unrivaled attack speed?

This chuld be official move sets in future smash titles

my 2 favorite characters Project m 3.0 diddy kong vs brawl meta knight who better?

Can U do Lucario next bro

Meta Knight could still do a slash with down special in brawl too, that isn't new to pm

Wait I never say the character tier list Sonic was A+ in P+ 😮😊

4:52. how about sheik’s b up

Imagine Brawl MK in Melee

How to change the Meta "metaphorically".

And he can glide by just holding jump after the first one

Who would win, brawl meta knight or smash 4 bayonetta?

He went from meta knight to balanced knight

Meta Knight is not a full on fasterfaller like Fox,Falco,Wolf & Captain Falcon but rather a semi fasterfaller like Diddy Kong & Lucas

It’s funny how the only “answer” to the most broken character in smash history is brawl icies, which is debatably the second most broken character in smash history

Imagine meta knight isn't your worst match up, this comment was made by the bowser gang. It is somewhat funny how the two new kirby characters in brawl have the best spottdodge.

I almost threw up when you said is has 30% tripping chance on dtilt (which is frame fuckin 3 active) omg what we’re they possibly thinking

0:34 looks like someone forgot about Melee Fox in the height of 20XX...

I don't understand what they were thinking when they made brawl meta knight

ss tier in fact sounds brutal :)

Bro Mk get nerfed on everything he had and still S tier he really be the meta

I am the 1k like of this video. That is all.

His range on his basic attacks made me stop playing Meta Knight, I play Lucas and Joker now in Ultimate, they have more range which is ironic due to one using his limbs and the other one having a knife

Bayonetta or vbrawl meta knight

I don't think MK has won a major since P+ began.

Brawl Meta Knight was a Smash Ultimate character in Braw

first

Project plus meta knight is a rip off of marth

Is this an ai voice or something