Why More Young Catholics are Identifying as "Traditional" w/ Brian Holdsworth 

I'm 20. Getting baptized and confirmed Catholic this Easter! I never would have converted if I hadn't met traditional Catholics. Progressive messages I'd heard from mainstream Catholics made the Church seem weak

19, engaged, trad. Looking to have as many kids as God sends us when we get married next year. We are aware that it's getting harder and harder to be a true, devout Catholic in todays day and age but we are prepared to never compromise even if it leads to persecution. I know our culture is dying and going dark but I'll be a bright light no matter how small. Be proud to be Catholic. Stay Catholic. God is with us and He will have the last laugh. Stay faithful to Him no matter what.

I avoided calling myself a “traditional Catholic,” but as I learn more about my faith, it’s like it’s inevitable falling into that category.

Hi guys!!! I’m a 75 yr old Catholic Priest of 40 yrs! I love to listen to you younger men talk about the faith. Especially the Traditional Catholic Faith. Yes, younger people do go for the traditional faith!!! Reverence, Respect, Love, and Holliness! God bless you...Fr.James

I notice that people who leave are not only not traditional but are anti-traditional, while those who join are traditional.

Young and traditional down here in Australia too! Yes, we exist!

40:01 the conversation addressed in the title

30 yo with 5 kids here. Had 0 clue there was such a thing as any other type of liturgy in the Church until I was an adult. I hope you appreciate how important these types of resources are to people like me. Knowing that there's similar sentiments from likeminded people here gives me hope.

I love Brian Holdsworth. It was early on in my investigation of Catholicism that I came across his video about why he converted. It's part of what led me to be in the Church today. God bless

I'm 22 and getting married in a month, and I've been becoming more serious about Catholicism. I think a lot of what drove me away in my teens and college years was Catholics who were unprincipled and touchy feely. It made Catholicism seem like every other faith and hid the robust theology & philosophy that helped me come back to the church.

Love the intro conversation. As a priest, I can relate to your sentiments of fear, discernment, using your platforms, and the talk about sometimes being criticized.

We became traditional Catholics in 2019 when we were 31. Totally transformed our family’s faith!

My father told me that when he was in Italy during World War 2, he began attending Sunday Mass at local churches. He spoke no Italian but his Missal from home and the Mass in Latin let him feel right at home. Finding the church at the right time was a bigger problem for him than participating at Mass. All the dialog in the Mass was in Latin and it was in his book. The readings were in Italian; his Missal had them in Latin and English. The Homily, delivered in Italian, was the only part he didn't understand but as he had read the Gospel reading, he was free to contemplate it and draw lessons from it. Until the early 1960s, you could attend Mass anywhere in the world and the Missal you brought from home - wherever that might have been - would stand you in good stead. Dad's wartime experience would have been an accurate model of the experience. In late 1963, my family made our second move in 6 months. Our new Parish priest was still saying the Tridentine Mass in Latin, as the canons required. After Vatican 2 concluded, he began saying that same Mass mostly in English. We moved again in mid 1965, our third move in just over 2 years. Our new parish was still celebrating Mass in Latin. In mid 1966, the three priests began celebrating Mass mostly in English. The next year, everything I heard was English. As far as I can tell, they just changed which side of the Missal page they read, the English rather than the Latin. Everything was the same but the language. The church was still full at every Mass on Sunday. The changes continued. Some of the nuns teaching in the school were excited by the liturgical changes and some openly predicted women being ordained into the priesthood. Some of them fervently embraced every change and acted like cheerleaders. I had moved on from the nuns' sphere of influence before the new table style altar was installed and the Novus Ordo Mass was instituted. Everything changed in appearance. A Sunday evening Mass was added. Then, they added a Saturday evening Mass. The church was still nearly full at every Mass on Sunday. The parish moved into a new church about 1990. It was very plain and utilitarian. There was no high altar. In its place, on a slightly raised platform are three chairs for the priest and servers. Yes, they are actually higher than the altar as though more important than the altar and what takes place upon it. My oldest sister once described it as "definitely Christian but not necessarily Catholic." Things kept changing in mostly small ways though, at some point, the prayers of the Canon of the Mass (Offertory through Communion - which I could practically recite from memory in English) were radically changed. Four different Eucharistic Prayers are available today, each with a set of invocations and congregation responses from which to choose on the fly. Even exclusively in English, the current Mass is far more confusing to me than the Latin Mass ever was. Attendance noticeably declined as all these things changed. Small things kept changing and attendance kept declining. Devotions like Eucharistic Adoration, Stations Of The Cross, public recitation of the Rosary and processions on major feast days are all gone or much reduced. So are the parishioners, particularly the young families. Our schools are mostly gone, too, as the young families have fewer children. The parish that had 3 priests 50 years ago now has one priest and a deacon. The parish now has a Saturday Mass, only 2 on Sunday morning (there were 4 and possibly 5 before noon in 1966) and another on Sunday evening. The last time I attended Mass there, every person at Mass that Sunday could lie down in the pews without crowding anyone. The local cathedral that my father avoided in the 1960s because it was always too crowded has way more capacity than it needs even with the COVID-19 "mitigations." I would like to go back to the Tridentine Mass in Latin but the vernacular, English here, would also be preferable to the current Novus Ordo Mass. I want the Lord's Prayer WITHOUT the non-scriptural Protestant addition. I want the priest to bless us with the Peace of Christ rather than having all of us wave at each other during Mass. I want altar boys back; the novelty of our current altar girls wore thin a long time ago. I want the "Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers" to be truly "extraordinary." They are NOT "extraordinary" if they are at EVERY Mass, as is currently the case; I would really like them to go away altogether. Most of all, I want the Communion Rail back and I want the priest to give me the Holy Eucharist on my tongue as I kneel to receive the Blessed Sacrament. Our churches are nearly empty. Vocation rates have fallen off a cliff. The "inclusive" and "ecumenical" innovations have failed. Go back to what worked. Let us BE CATHOLIC again.

Lol I have obligations to a novus ordo parish, and while I was there the pastor told the congregation (less than 20 people sitting and a few additional waiting in their cars) that they were doing all these hand gestures and sign language and virtual stuff so the parish could be more vibrant and have more active youth feel to it and make everyone feel younger. I looked around and saw maybe 5 people under the age of 20. Two under the age of 30. Everyone else was old. The young people were all there with their grandparents man. Later that day I went to my not-so-local TLM and it was PACKED with young people. I see people under the age of 30 with 5 kids, new young families who were just married and have a brand new little one, their playground is packed with kids and young families. Even before the lockdown the novus ordo parish was mostly elderly folk, now it’s even more exasperated. All the young people moved to the Latin mass. For good reason too. I even know a family that converted from Protestantism directly to the Latin mass parish. They’ve never had to deal with the insanity that I’ve seen at NO parishes over the years.

21 year old Traditional catholic from India ❤️

I guess me 43 and my husband 44 are old trads - lol. Two years of the tlm and love it!

Wow I literally love both of these guys so much! God knew I needed this!!!

This is so confirming and uplifting, especially as an older Catholic. You go Catholic youth!!! 💚

Where are all the catholic teenagers? I'm right here.

Delighted you got Brian on the show! Two powerhouses 📿🙏🏼🔥🔥 Really looking forward to this one 😄

Denver has many great parishes. Glad Bryan was able to experience it. Many people from Wyoming drive down every Sunday to attend Masses in various Denver parishes. Please pray for Archbishop Aquila!

I had the exact same experience Brian had at the FSSP parish he is talking about with the SSPX Chapel I now attend. I had heard a million terrible and uncharitable things about the people there, that they where snobbish and schismatic. Instead I found many beautiful and loving families that took us, who knew next to nothing and accepted us. The priests that I've met are all wonderful as well.

I'm not exactly young, but have a young family and I consider myself traditional. It was my research into the Tridentine Mass that transformed me. Growing up in the New Mass, I've had to change the words and postures I've used several times throughout my life. Really, I'm just tired of the inconsistency and lack of reverence. I'm tired of the boomer mentality of "come as you are" and "the Church of nice." I just want something stable and eternally renewable for my family and I. This I've found within the Extraordinary Form and the Eastern Catholic Tradition.

Matt and Brian, two great modern apostles. Thank you very much!

I love Brian!!!! 😊 The way he puts things together, knowledgeably, patiently, gives the air of peace and balance I need so much.

Wonderful interview/exchange. I had no idea Matt Fradd and Brian Holdsworth knew each other! I’ve been watching them both for quite some time. This made my day. God bless you guys!

I truly love the SSPX church I attend in Houston Tx (actually Dickinson) I love the lace, the overabundant incense smoke, the lighted candle poles held by the altar boys, the abundance of altar BOYS, the prayers of the mass, the chant💖🙏

Thank you for all you do. Your channel is helping me out of a rather tough time.

I love the young adult trad cats I'm one of 'em didn't know I was until someone said it lol

Matt, you are getting a lot better at not getting excited and interrupting! It’s inspiring because I have this problem too.

The cover picture for this clip is prophetic I think - let me explain. It showed the Sacred Heart. The Sacred Heart is at the core of the entire Catholic Counter-Revolution, that we often call "the traditional movement". Viva Cristo Rey

Two of my favorite Catholic RU-vidrs in the same video. Perfect way to start the weekend. Great video gentleman!

52:15 and 59:55 very important! Before the pandemic, I often attended a chanted Novus Ordo mass with a monastic community - incense, deeply contemplative and all the rest. To me, it defies this tendency towards polarization. Full pews. I’ve had experiences in both Novus Ordo and Tridentine masses that have felt either spiritually elevating or dull/aversive. Small is the gate and narrow the way.

N.O made the Mass too protestant, and lacked reverence and respect... the Trad Mass is all that is missing in the NO Mass.. Truly love it.. Love from Australia.

Smashing it out of the park. I could listen to this all day. Matt, you're awesome. You have something nobody else on RU-vid has. Authenticity coupled with truly practical, theological insight. Brian has something else unique I can't quite put my finger on. Maybe the way he lays out his ideas in a methodical but concise and easy to understand manner. I'd love to see these two continue to collaborate more into the future!

Awesome discussion!! Thank you!!

I am 60 yrs old and i love the sacredness feeling of the TLM , and i never like the church architecture of the 70's,80's and 90's

Matt, your podcast helps me turn my leisure time into learn more about Catholicism time. This has deepened my understanding of the faith so much, and challenged me to turn that understanding into actually leading a more holy life. I'm sure you feel pressure to always get better, faster, stronger with your platform, but just being able to sit down and watch two honest people talk openly about their faith is where that real good stuff comes from. Thank you for that. All that to say, if you want to burn it all down and start a bookstore, I absolutely get it. But I've also gotten a lot out of non-bookstore Matt.

Matt, thanks for your great work! God bless you and your family.

I would enjoy speaking with Matt. Bro is always joyous and super chill. God bless bro. Continue doing the work you are doing, I will be praying for you and your mission.

Brian's beard is great! I love to listen to both of you and respect what each of you have to say (and quite often agree).

Lover of the TLM here. Just some thoughts and opinions: It was the Divine Liturgy sung in English (with some Greek and Arabic) that made me first appreciate the value of the Traditional Latin Mass. Is the Novus Ordo valid? Yes. Is it licit? Yes. Is it prudent? No. If you want that middle road of mutual enrichment, it should be East enriching West, not Simon and Garfunkel meets West. Let the Ordinary Form be the Tridentine Mass in the vernacular. This was allowed by 20th century pre-V2 popes for some Eastern European nations. It’s also not good to lump those who think the Novus Ordo was a mistake in with Sedevacantists. That’s the quickest way to have Glad-Trads turn into Rad-Trads. People’s identity can be wrapped up in the nuance of thought, so great care and prudence must be taken when addressing groups of people and what “they believe.”

16 yo here who desires so much to be traditional, but there just isn’t much traditional around me... :(

Great video, I enjoyed it very much! I have been coming to Catholicism and have chosen a parish that does a Tridentine Mass, I have enjoyed it. Stay safe and God bless

I agree with Brian. We are in our 50s and switched to TLM during the pandemic. We found the local mass online & were able to learn & understand the mass when churches were closed to visitors. It is much easier to hear the priest online than in person which was helpful when being 1st exposed to the mass. When things opened up in the summer we tried our NO for a few weeks in person but we missed the TLM. So we started going in person to TLM and really prefer it now. We live a few blocks from the NO parish but driving by we also noticed the NO seems to be less attended (we have been told so as well). Conversely TLM is quite crowed even at holy days during the week. On Tuesday we attended a Tuesday candle mass of 105 minutes which was sung and quite crowded which surprised me. Time goes quite quickly at mass. (at about 41 min in video)

Thank you for talking about your RU-vid Creator life with all the discernment, struggles, and successes. It’s difficult to find Catholic leaders honestly discussing what this ministry looks like.

Thank you for your thoughts. Enjoyed.

Good, hopefully they can help restore Church from the incalculable damage done by the ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing from the 1960s.

Yeah ...Modernism has definitely contributed to the division in the Church amongst Catholics... Love how St. Pius X clearly and openly spoke out against Modernism and ‘no’ he didn’t have a soft and gentle tone. Our shepherds have gone too soft and liberal. And there’s always a price to pay......Tradition must be restored..

Whenever I mention Brian to my wife she says, "That's the lion man, right?"

I attended the Latin Mass as a child and young teen. At that time, we had so many people attending Mass that our parish had 7 Masses on Sunday morning, beginning at 6 a.m. and ending with the noon Mass. The Masses couldnt have been 45 minutes long, as the parking lots had to be emptied after each Mass in order to accommodate the cars for the following Mass. I also remember 4 or 5 priests coming onto the altar prior to Communion to assist in giving the Holy Eucharist at the Communion rail. Upon the reopening of churches during the pandemic last June, I decided to attend Mass at a parish that offered the TLM. I was blown away and literally moved to tears, and of course, I later joined the parish! The Mass is almost 90 minutes long. There is confession before Mass, as well as recitation e of the rosary Angelus.

I would really like it if you two could expand upon “dealing with” the abuses in an ordinary form-only local parish. What can be done, if anything, when you live in a place with one or two parishes, both Novus Ordo, and priests (and “music ministers”) who discourage a more traditional liturgy? This is a situation I think many, many traditionally minded Catholics find ourselves in right now.

Thanks I enjoyed this conversation

Great video 👌🏽

Hit the nail on the head with 1:05:29 - sing the Mass! And the way the old liturgies weave the music and action together. The Novus Ordo, even when done according to the rubrics, has these pauses while we sing the Sanctus or the Agnus Dei, and nothing else can happen until that music is finished instead of the old layered parallel processing sort of thing.

I love Brian, he explains things so well, concise and short. And is a good leader for the youth who does not have much to cling on.

32, Husband of one, father of 3. I just don't fit in in the Novus Ordo culture anymore. Wouldn't have it any other way.

Your doing a LOT of good Matt!👍

I’ve never been to TLM and I’m going to go for the first time next week. I’ve enjoyed the “regular” mass for as long as I can remember. I would consider myself a strong practicing Catholic. I’m so intrigued by the division. I didn’t even know I was looked down on for not being “traditional” until my daughter went to college...a Catholic college where she found out otherwise. Lol anyhow looking forward to TLM maybe I’ll get hooked! Thank you I really enjoyed this video. God bless you both

I've grown with the new mass, but I increasingly love TLM. Even attending it somewhat sporadically the graces and effects on my life were measurable. The issue with latin NOM is the prayers aren't as good as in the TLM. Take for example such simple thing as the confiteor. In NOM invocations of Mary, saints are taken away making it inoffensive to protestants. Takes away notion of the Church in Heaven. If you think how to fix NOM, if you are honest about it you are going to end pretty much with TLM in sense like it is done in modern traditional parishes. I don't think there is anything wrong with idea of future, where the Second Vatican Council is scrapped completely. I think it's easier to make true reform from scratch than to try salvage this monstrosity with insane amount of documents. Sacrosanctum Concilium while it seems like nice thing, it has holes in it, which were naturally used to come up with liturgy as it's common nowadays.

Recently gone trad from DC, it's rough going when many in the church don't understand why you would go traditional, but it is definitely worth it. Good to see you finally have Mr. Holdsworth on! God bless!

Loved the part of the podcast when you got into the religion stuff. You both are gifts! :)

I've been here for half the video and haven't heard about the topic yet. Wish the topic could be covered at least beginning in the first 10 minutes. Be blessed!

I wish that all movies on your channels had subtitles in different languages ​​(especially Polish 😁) 🧡💛💚

Love this episode

Very thoughtful discussion thank you gentlemen. I read Sacrosanctum Concilium if only they followed that document more strictly, after the council.

I grew up in the novus ordo and then recently went to some Latin masses. It was very simple for me. I just put the two masses side by side and found one was more beautiful and reverent than the other one. That seemed more fitting and attractive to me. So I made the switch. No looking back. For the first time in my life I now look forward to attending mass. Before I attended because of an obligation. Now I enjoy it.

I deleted all of my social media accounts a few months ago, and I feel LIBERATED. Seems dramatic but I truly recommend it to anyone else struggling to managing time/stress/negativity associated with it. I now have more time with my family, to get housework done, work on my hobbies, etc. It is worth it.

I have seen a ton of anti-traditional comments from Novus Ordo people toward traditionalists. Haven't experienced the reverse. The lady in the little catholic store is FSSP and has always been open and engaging with me as Novus Ordo. So all this Novus Ordo they are so mean to me has not been my life experience.

I think the answer is very simple. Which is, for those that take their faith seriously, understanding and learning Tradition is the ultimate form of the faith. Not too mention many young people are lost and confused by our society. Especially western ones. I think the Traditional mass and way of living has brought about a sense of clarity and foundation many young people have yearned for yet never knew until we found the TLM. I encourage everyone to go to the TLM, specifically a Sung or High mass as those masses are most fulfilling for first timers.

Great interview. Thank you. I live in New Jersey. Can you recommend a FSSP in my area? Or should I attend a SSPX or ICKSP?

Funny I was having a conversation about Theosis. Matt could you please do a video on that one too.

I agree with what Matt was saying about not going back to full tradition. When I started coming back to mass, my parish did NO in a very reverent way, and it was amazing. I had to move after 3 months, and the new parish isn't as reverent. The biggest difference was the age of the priest. Younger priests did the more reverent mass.

I'm Catholic and that was what I thought was a traditional lifestyle? But after a few years listening to a variety of Catholic presenters I realised that their are several types of Catholics. I still think I'm traditional because I seek God's divine Will and love Catholic traditions even thou as a 80's child we have been deprived of many of the traditional Catholic pre Vatican 2 liturgical ways and prayers. Bless you all for sharing your knowledge and love for our Mother church and Christ's ways.

Do you think it would be possible an interview, or debate, with Casey OFM from Breaking the Habit? I think it would be good for both. I'm european catholic. I think this trend to tradition as i felt is stronger in english speaking countries. Maybe because catholics are rarer in those countries. But recently, as trough experience i became aware of the spirit of Catholicism, i think the essence is more important than form (liturgy) although of course the liturgy for example influences the essence and spirit. i think there is a danger that traditionalists put liturgy before faith and virtuous and with liberals perhaps the danger it's to completely relativize every thing about the church and faith and works. i think it would be interesting as Casey it's not certainly a traditionalist to be interviewed.

Danke!

Hey Matt! Hope you let us know how you like Stueubinville after you've been there a while. Btw, just checked out Steubenville murals on Google images and saw one of Jesus and Dean Martin. :)

Cradle Catholic here... I'm thinking about reverting and I have a burning question. If one should attend the Mass when it's all in Latin, not understanding a word of Latin, how can you get anything out of it? Isn't it better to have Mass in your native tongue where you can actually understand? To accept the gospel message you have to be able to understand it first.

Hey Matt and Brian. I like both of your evangelism initiatives. I also think there is room in the Church for the Latin Mass in the now more rare extraordinary form, as a connection to Church history and as a manifestation of beauty. On this one, I would say people are living in a pretty small bubble if they really think there is a serious growth in a youth movement for traditionalism. It's plainly not the case, and the average World Youth Day with all its diocesan events and youth groups globally are evidence to the contrary, right? The Vatican II Church is here to stay and is in fact the norm, and as Francis has said ""You can be with the church and therefore follow the council, or you can not follow the council or interpret it in your own way, as you want, and you are not with the church". It's important to be of one mind with the Holy Father, as I know you both are.

Is that one icon Brian has an image of the Adoration of the Mystic Lamb? And if it is, does anyone know where I can buy it?

St. John Cantius staffs the Church I started going to when covid started. Those priests also do the NO at certain times. For a few months I was doing both TLM and NO. Have decided that I really like the TLM more. I do better paying attention and praying. Plus, I get super happy when we sing the Salve Regina at the end. Really the selling point 😅

Is this the same as the Parler-related talk? Just edited from a live-stream?

39 minutes in they finally start the topic.

As two people who seem to lean traditional (and especially given that you attend two different rites), I would be very interested to hear what you think about the ordinariates in the anglosphere. As an outsider, it seems like a good middle-point. Reverential liturgy that is rooted in the traditions of the English-speaking peoples, while being in a language everyone can benefit from without special education (though using a register that makes it plain that this is not an every-day event; a sacred, not a profane, one). What do you guys think about the concept, the implementation, and why have these not become the go-to option for Catholics seeking a more reverential liturgy in the anglosphere?

Matt/Bryan, thank you for a good conversation. The chance that you read this comment are low, but thought I would try anyway. Others are welcome to skim (or, if you have time, give my thoughts a thoughtful read) and respond. I am curious, do you see any inherit problems with the Ordinary Form (e.g., not abuses)? Because here is the thing: when you look at some things like the lectionary, or the orations, there are clearly issues (the classical example being the total suppression of 1 Corinthians 11:27-29 twice). The collects in the EF also clearly have a more ascetical, "hate your life in this world, save it forever", whereas in the Ordinary Form, they were watered down. One only wonders what difference the omission of that little verse has had on Catholic culture the past 50 years. To see what I mean, just look at all the bracketed readings; maybe I am reading with biased lenses, but when I see this, almost always the bracketed out stuff is the controversial stuff (e.g. "wives, submit to your husbands"). I don't claim that the EF is a perfect liturgy (indeed, the only perfect liturgy is the eternal one in heaven), but it seems that, while valid, the Ordinary Form has far more inherit issues than the EF, and that just celebrating the Ordinary Form with some smells and bells, while nice, does not begin to address the rubrical issues and the many changes in the propers and ordinaries. I should also mention that SC, while a beautiful document with many good points, can totally be read in a way that makes most of the (objectively, not subjectively) un-reverant Ordinary Forms I attend completely valid. A friend once asked me what Vatican II said on music. I showed him. His response? "Huh, so it basically is a both-and approach". I said "Yup!" The things is, under SC, and the current rubrics of the Ordinary Form, it is in principal totally fine to have 70s folk music in your mass. It is fine to have tamborines, guitars, etc, in mass. These are not abuses, but are something allowed by the liturgy itself. Very often, SC says something "traditional", and then in the next paragraph or so, goes on to say "well, you can actually for pastoral reasons do the 'non-traditional' thing." Is this not a poverty? Conversely, when Ordinary Forms are celebrated "traditionally", they are often wrought with liturgical abuses. If you are "reading the black, and doing the red", St. John Cantius commits abuses in re-introducing, admittedly traditional and beautiful ceremonies, back into the Ordinary Form (e.g., raising the chasuble at the elevation). A last antidote to illustrate my point. This last Sunday, I tried to convince my family to watch the St. John Cantius Ordinary Form with me in quarantine while I visited home and was away from the Tridentine Mass. Thought it may be a nice "in-between" compromise of sorts. They chose something else that was rather un-reverent to our Lord, somewhat rushed, and, while it had some nice aspects, was overall banal. I tried by God's grace to be able to look past all this the best I could during the actual liturgy, but in reflection, all I can say is "that liturgy was totally valid, and had no abuses". While I am no expert on Ordinary Form rubrics, having studied liturgy in private enough, I honestly can't think of any abuses that I perceived. Yet, it felt and seemed like it was more a broadcasted Bible study than the Holy Worship of the Trinity at points. I should say that I still hold Vatican II valid, and a real Council of the Church. But notwithstanding its legitimate authority when it speaks on liturgy, it is hard for me to see how there are not inheritantly un-prudential decisions that were made in both the writing of SC and the Novus Ordo. As I lay Catholic, I admit I could be wrong, and am striving to be a son of our Lord's Church, but these issues really are a struggle for me.

Wish we got more cross over content from you both.

Very good video! I love your friendship. The one thing I would push back on would be the fact that the 1971 Missal promulgated by Pope St. Paul VI is NOT the Missal of the Council. That would be the 1965 Missal. Unfortunately, that was then supplanted by the 1971 Missal which is what we use today as the Ordinary Form of the Mass. The 1965 Missal included all those things that people "complain" about in regards to the TLM: vernacular readings, people chanting simple forms of the Ordinary of the Mass, but it's essentially a vernacularized version of the TLM. The 1971 Missal was a "going away" from the Council's intentions. The Council didn't need a liturgical comittee to write new prayers and eucharistic anaphoras. I hope someday we return not simply to "beauty" but to a form of the Mass that respects Tradition, yet flexible enough to allow for organic development.

What happened? Was there an error in the video?

I discovered Brian when I was watching videos about "The Problem with Modern Art".

I like the measured approach to the return traditionalism you guys are talking about. Clearly the status quo is not working, however a full return to the Past doesn't make sense either.

Love your work. Two great Catholic communicators from the British Commonwealth. Serve God, honour the Queen!

Joseph Pierce! We attend the same TLM most Sundays, yet I have yet to intoduce myself, because we exit different doors.

Please share the link to the encyclical on modernism please.

Brian: please, please, please give the name of that parish in the Denver area!

I also Love Traditional Catholic Faith. From India

"A theology which denies the historicity of nearly everything in the Gospels to which Christian life and affections and thought have been fastened for nearly two millennia - which either denies the miraculous altogether or, more strangely, after swallowing the camel of the Resurrection strains at such gnats as the feeding of the multitudes - if offered to the uneducated man can produce only one or other of two effects. It will make him a Roman Catholic or an atheist. " - CS Lewis, Fern Seeds and Elephants

Byzantine Catholicism is its own separate Rite and as such may have its own devotions and way of doing things. As far as I know, the Latin Rite is the only Rite within the Church with 2 contrasting forms of Mass and 2 liturgical calendars.

I am Mexican, where 80% of the population is Roman Catholic and the veneration of the Virgin of Guadalupe generates more than 20 million visits a year, to her temple. But since I met Ken Ham, he has made me lean towards Catholic fundamentalism and I notice that a lot of the veneration of Jesus and the Virgin are half pagan, why dancers of the about 80 different ethnic groups worship Jesus and the Virgin with a mixture of pre-Hispanic rituals, like the celebration of the day of the dead ... what do you think?

I'm an amateur writer trying to go professional. I've published a few of my works on the internet. Whenever I get something in my inbox saying someone's left a comment/review on my writing, my immediate reaction is "Oh God. They've ripped it to shreds. I'm a hack. Why did I think this was a good idea?" But, I still open it and read it anyway. And I do get criticism sometimes, and occasionally harsh criticism at that, but not in a way that's trying to tear me down, but instead just pointing out areas where I could improve. But most of the time, it's positive fluff or just people thanking me for posting my story. Even so, my response to seeing the inbox mark tick up by one is that I'm about to be eviscerated. This wasn't intentional, but I find that going into these things with low expectations results in me being pleasantly surprised more often than not.

>the ordinary form done right is indistinguishable from the extraordinary form Dr Peter Kwasniewski would like to have a word