Why Rolex GMT Master II Owners Are Upset.

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The Rolex GMT Master and Master II -- possibly the most famous watch series of all time (if it's surpassed...it's by another Rolex). The watch has graced the wrists of pilots, movie stars, and even Christian Zeron. So, when looking at a watch with a legacy such as this one, it's important to ask, which model so far has proved the be superior? Modern...or vintage?
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@steffenaarsnes8066 Год назад

I remember a time when T&H videos had chapters. Those were better times.

@Thabosshoss Год назад

I actually prefer this method because they stay in topic.

@steffenaarsnes8066 Год назад

@@Thabosshoss I haven't noticed any difference in that regard myself, and I'm assuming that the video was just divided into chapters while editing. So the main difference to me is that it's a bit more of a hazzle to skip past their commercial that has been spliced into a hundred videos before already.

@Thabosshoss Год назад

@@steffenaarsnes8066 I’m an expert commercial skipper so not a problem for me 😏. But I understand. Will see what they run with moving forward.

@steffenaarsnes8066 Год назад

@@Thabosshoss Haha! 😜

@lazyluder Год назад

I couldn't commit to all the minutes. I skipped through, but still have no idea why owners are upset. Would also like better organization!

@briers9 Год назад

I lucked out in 2013 when I purchased a pepsi 16710 from 2007 for £3,800 - I only found out a few years ago it is a transitional watch that runs the same movement they put in the 6 digit. Solid build, durable, updated movement (for then) but the slimmer proportions of the 5 digit. It also carries a different dial with serif minute markers and slightly different font. A watch I will always keep, to me the perfect gmt.

@ryanjofre Год назад

Sounds like a sweet & somewhat rare piece. Good job.

@unnamedhero5111 7 месяцев назад

yes, it was late Z-series or M-series years of production with 3186 (with Parachrom) movement. Mine was bought in 2012 :) Still a keeper.

@favoritethings3065 Год назад

Great video guys. Also, the latest 16710’s also got a click spring upgrade making the bezel rotation equally smooth in both directions.

@gregoryrogalsky6937 Год назад

Really like your channel and the content you guys are putting out. My own personal watch is a Zodiac GMT.. I call it my Zodiac Diet Pepsi.

@Alex_J44 Год назад

Technically the new beats it in every area. I love vintage, but I’m of a certain age. Same with anything vintage really, could be a watch, car, house etc… etc…. The Morden will out perform it in every area. You buy vintage with your heart not your head.

@francesconegri2675 Год назад

Amazing video, very interesting hearing those parts of history. Please make a video like this on Daydates and which era you think is a smarter take. That would be awesome. Keep it up!

@alanwong5688 Год назад

Regarding the sizing, back then they also came out with a huge watch in the yacht master 2. They tweaked the gmt but did dabble also in ridiculously large sizes

@ph1lo Год назад

Great content. It would be great to have shortened versions. ❤

@mikec3454 Год назад

I picked up a BLNR on oyster from my AD 3 weeks ago - I am far from upset lol. I literally blew up my collection and sold all my other watches in rotation to rebuild around the BLNR. The GMTII will be my daily from here on out. Have a couple other pieces lined up from my AD, also Rolex models. The GMT is far more comfortable than the Sub on the wrist, flatter case back and nearly 1mm thinner.

@jmacie3 11 месяцев назад

What did you have before that? I just got one and I feel the same way too but I still love my seamaster

@ripstikgod Месяц назад

That's how I felt when I got my BLNR from the AD 2 years ago. I had the Sub before and the OP41 green afterwards. I just only picked up the sprite Monday from the same AD after 2 years. But the BLNR had the most wrist time out of the collection. Sub basically doesn't see the day of light.

@caesardifranco3648 Год назад

I have the 16710 Coke, absolutely love it. 33yrs later and it’s still looks like new. Last servicing I switched out the coke bezel for an all black. IMO, the all black bezel looks real classy.

@bradcheek4829 Год назад

Nice video guys My mid 90s Pepsi GMT Master, because of the less slab sidedness than the ceramic Sub is actually lighter to wear and also more scratch resistant than either my Sub or pre ceramic Daytona I’ll take that older bracelet any day Very user friendly design

@jjDemir Год назад

Sorry, in the video you say they added the laser etched crown at 6' on the 16710? I'm a bit confused.

@Wildcatjames1 Год назад

The blue ceramic has a little purple hue when I see videos of it. Is that just the white balance on the camera or is it actually a little bit purple?

@mikec3454 Год назад

I found the super case noticeably larger on the Sub 114060 I owned vs the 14060 I had. However, I don’t find the super case obnoxious on my BLNR. It just feels like a very well built, substantial watch. The side profile still has those gorgeous Rolex sport case lines.

@PantherDeNoir Год назад

I second this

@raphaelschaad Год назад

⁠@Theo and Harris Christian, what brand is your polo? Good Soprano vibes.

@TheGunDude Год назад

Neo-vintage is the best of both worlds. I have the 16610 sub. The perfect case size, aluminum bezel, 904 steel, sapphire, better movement, still waterproof with no worries and tritium hour markers. I personally love the bracelet on older Rolex just because it’s so light and comfortable to wear daily.

@andrewgiblin3468 Год назад

Completely agree, but thou shalt have drilled lugs and tritium!!

@TheGunDude Год назад

@@andrewgiblin3468 oh that’s right mine has drilled lugs too!! I swear this model has everything that was great about vintage Rolex and everything great about modern Rolex.

@lonewolfemcquade8133 Год назад

I agree I have a 14060m Rolex Submariner. It's an absolute delight to wear. As far as I'm concerned the 14060m and the 16610 were the last of the best Rolex Submariners. The new Submariner's don't have the cool factor like the pre ceramics

@JacReviewsStuff Год назад

I like green Lume ~

@songoku-jx3cb Год назад

Better movement ??????

@jh-il5sb Год назад

wonder if the white gold, black dial pepsi will become a future classic due to the short production run and that many dials have been changed out with blue dials??

@user-mo8df6eb2z 11 месяцев назад

From what date did Rolex start using luminova on there dials for the GMT instead of tritium?

@TheWutang1995 Год назад

Enjoyed the video but I gotta ask anyone got a name on Christian's shirt? Looks dope

@KRE8TVT Год назад

Where is that green sweater from

@EQ9962 Год назад

I love the GMT function and actually use it. Frequently i use UTC for work and keep my Root beer gmt set to zulu time because it looks so uncool counting with my fingers to figure out the time…

@solefreak2 Год назад

What year and model is the vintage GMT that he is wearing?

@Jay_Bee1 Год назад

You guys are absolute legends, love the frequent videos! Keep it up lads

@patrickhopkinson1851 Год назад

I bought a 3 month old 16710 for £2,050 in 2003. The previous owner bought it with a black bezel since he really wanted a Submariner. I wanted the black and red bezel and had one fitted. It’s only an insert. That’s why I can’t understand this obsession with Pepsi etc. It takes less than a minute to swap them.

@charliedunne8027 Год назад

Thank you, Hans Wilsdorf!!!!

@hammadhumayun9311 Год назад

Hi guys. Please could you review the Yatch Matser someday. Both steel and bimetal. Thanks

@lonewolfemcquade8133 Год назад

I love the pre ceramic Rolex Submariners and GMTs. I also own a Submariner 14060m. The wearability on the pre ceramics are phenomenal 👌 a pre ceramic Pepsi is next on the list. Not really a fan of the current GMTs. The pre ceramics have a serious cool factor and all the hallmarks of the OG GMTs

@leemurovec24 Год назад

What happened to "i don't understand" 🎶

@andrewchilton9685 Год назад

Why are owners upset? I watched the entire video and didn’t understand the title of the video. Thanks!

@RS-jb1lf Год назад

I didn’t either. All I took away was the need to flex the white gold GMT which is $20k more and “jangles” less on the basis it is a heavier metal when in reality it has a few more links removed for a tighter fit.

@ttzwolf 3 месяца назад

Ya, this channel has gotten worse

@Ben-qn6ws Год назад

Didn't Christian recently get the whitegold blue dial? The modern one? So confused...

@omar10213245 Год назад

No. He has the whit gold with black dial, which is super rare

@aussieexpatwatches Год назад

I like the color of the aluminum bezel much more.

@Imw101 10 месяцев назад

I bought my 2002 16710 Coke pre-owned in 2003 for £1,900 (around $2,500), Wore it every day for eight years without a thought or care until the prices started going nuts and it actually became too valuable as a daily beater (thieves know the value). So now it sits in a safe quietly appreciating. The first successful investment I ever had for something that was never nought as an investment,

@jorisdonoyan338 Год назад

Anyine knows where christian's polo is from ?

@SonuOfBostonia Год назад

Love the intro, but I think I like the music from the other one better 😶‍🌫️

@buddastud5534 Год назад

Rolex pretty much just did the same to the 100 anniversary white gold Daytona correct ?

@Official_Beetlejuice 10 месяцев назад

I am not upset. But I think the policy is very bad. I had the great fortune to order a jubilee band for my 126710BLRO in addition to the Oyster later and now I swap bands - depending on my gusto. What annoys me more is the quality. I have had to have the SL renewed on a tudor bb48 and a 16710 because not enough was applied to the hands. but: i have that again on the hand of my new blro - but what rolex about it? wow, that's normal and in the tollerances. amazing that it's in the tollerances to see gray fields in the dots or in the hands with the naked eye. this experience and also the often arrogant manner of the salesmen have made me to be enthusiastic about other brands.

@jmartin2778 Год назад

I owned a 5513 that was minty, but was too delicate (compared to modern Subs). I sold it in 2016 and bought a Hulk. No matter what the vintage tool watches were intended to do when new, they just don't hold up to a careless lifestyle. Acrylic crystals, stamped bracelets, etc. can't hold a candle to new Subs.

@Bisley1 Год назад

True, but the 4 digits are way more delicate than the 5 digits. While the 6 digit models of today are even sturdier, the neo vintage 5 digit models sort of scratch the vintage itch while still performing well and not running the risk of getting damaged easily. If the 5512/5513 hadn’t exploded in price, i might still want one. But now I’m more tempted to get a 14060m as a compromise. Still, i do lust for that matte dial and acrylic crystal.

@CaptainZed Год назад

I'm wearing a 1980 Root beer GMT nipple dial

@Rch_P Год назад

New intro today😮

@pamisavejr 2 месяца назад

Amazing video on the GMT, definitely a grail, value prop, timepiece versatile in any collection. Even a 1 watch collection.

@cardinalj Год назад

Neo vintage is the way to go. My daily watch is my Omega Speedmaster Schumacher 3518.50. Still feel solid on the wrist. But has that great smaller presence that I like in the neo vintage. Next watch will be a Rolex Sub 14060M 2 line.

@omar10213245 Год назад

I just sold my 14060 2-liner. I've gotten to a point where I just prefer more heft on the wrist

@cardinalj Год назад

@omar10213245 i understand, I have a Sinn U1 when i need heft on the wrist

@CESONER 2 месяца назад

I use my GMT watches dual time zone function daily. That’s why I have them. I guess I’m the exception. I’m struck by how often I hear people say that their GMT watch isn’t working properly or the GMT hand runs slow. I will admit that I am guilty of making this same mistake when I got my first GMT watch. I’m very glad that I figured it out on my own, and not in front of others, as that is a bit embarrassing. Lol

@Macx912 Год назад

I have a 16613 as my daily and my 16710 Coke that is in near perfect condition. I bought it from a the original owner and a collector who may have worn it 25 times since 2001. I love my GMT. More importantly I love that Rolex has not rereleased a Coke. Makes mine even more special to me.

@illiniEE Год назад

2001 coke is probably the best looking watch ever released by Rolex.

@ornurse2409 Год назад

I like how the shirt is red and blue like a gmt….. nice touch…don’t know if you did this on purpose…. But I think you did. I like it.

@darrellbarricklow2385 10 месяцев назад

I have a 2007 Pepsi GMT Master II that supposedly has an "error" bezel.

@thepiemaster0933 Год назад

I think some of the opinions from you guys are conflict of interest. always saying, vintage is better than Modern in which you guys specialize in selling older watches. 😮. Of course we all have our own pinions, and we should respect it.

@msbrownbeast Год назад

The ceramic Pepsi bezel colors are not nice. The blue looks more like purple, and the red lacks richness, nothing at all like the colors found on the aluminum bezels. Just compare the blue colors between old and new at 16:35

@MP_Single_Coil Год назад

Like many, I want the old sleek case with a modern movement, ceramic bezel, and jubilee bracelet. Just what Rolex will never offer.

@NACmedia3 Год назад

Dude, where is that polo from?

@nemomilo333 2 месяца назад

It might be American Eagle because I have the same design but different colors. I paid $50 I believe and get lot of compliments when wearing it.

@jethrojacinto2798 Год назад

As someone who has the 16710, I have to agree

@watchwarrior8597 9 месяцев назад

I agree , my 16710 Coke No Holes case I can’t believe that prices have continued to increase even now . One watch I would never sell . I love my 16710 😊

@watchwarrior8597 Год назад

I have 4 GMT Master II’s. 16760 Coke Fat Lady, 16710 Coke, 126710BLNR (Batman) and the 126711CHNR (Root Beer) To be 100% honest I love my 16710 Coke and it is the most comfortable and easy to wear. I hope in the near future Rolex Re Releases the Ceramic Coke GMT II. That would be an amazing modern GMT Master II .

@NeoWahNah Год назад

Very informative. Thanks for sharing!

@lawrencehaines8103 10 месяцев назад

"The Submariner was introduced in 1953 as a tool's watch" 2:16. Freudian slip?

@alteringmatter8782 Год назад

If you want to walk into a restaurant and no one to notice you don‘t wear a Rolex in the first place. It doesn‘t matter if it‘s white gold.

@edotedy Год назад

I have a feeling that Rolex tried to make a red and blue ceramic look good/expensive. The clomages micro brand manage to make a vibrant red blue ceramic by 2020 (San Martin and Cronos) and it doesn't look that good being that vibrant and straightforward of a colour imho

@APDLuu 6 месяцев назад

I was an ink formulation chemist for years and still work as an engineer in the printing industry. Red and any shade there of are the most challenging colors for stability and permanence. I am not surprised by this challenge that Rolex is having. Even red cars can be more expensive than other colors.

@KC-bv9kf Год назад

Preach B/B 16710 here with over 4000 days of wear, a few hundreds were in subtropical jungles. Lasted longer than my marriage and with less damages and …uh… misunderstanding, lol. A true tool watches that can be used for bartering too.

@raul3450 10 месяцев назад

Steel Rolex as investment 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Pure madness🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Lot of mad people in this world🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@carlosmaldonado6200 Год назад

I wish Rolex would go back to those original dimensions. I’m not a fan of the thick lugs and bulky case.

@danpass12 11 месяцев назад

Great video overall, thanks. Now stop flashing the glare of the watch into the camera. Look at the watch thru the monitor instead of from your point of view ;)

@renedelapaans647 Год назад

Yes

@innout3x3 Год назад

Quirks and features. Harnessing your Doug Demuro.

@JJPurp Год назад

I’d rather have the updated Rolex watches. The vintage are cool, but having updated bracelets and movements turn my key. :)

@BFit25 Год назад

Fully agree about sub being farther away from its origins.

@muldoon67 Год назад

What is the meaning/point of the 'Master' part of the name? Why not just call it a Rolex GMT? Same goes for the Yacht 'Master'. Although a 'Rolex Yacht' does sound a bit stupid.

@Thestig805 7 месяцев назад

Hahahahaha I laughed when I saw the little quote underneath saying "I don't know a single person who regularly uses their GMT function"

@modernworldiscrap Год назад

16750, the perfect compromise between classicism and modernity (quickset, water resistant…)

@ggeckocincy Год назад

Well, of course I went and grabbed my GMT and put it on after I watched this

@temptingfate759 Год назад

I am surprised the aluminum red bezel faded so badly. I would of thought the color would last better...

@franzong Год назад

I'm gonna miss the old intro!

@skylineuk1485 Год назад

Thanks guy, great video!

@zachg9065 Месяц назад

The proportions of the non supercase models are way better. If Rolex released a new GMT master 2 with the same proportions of the older models, it would be pretty much the perfect watch

@Motovlog865 6 месяцев назад

It's not that Rolex specifically has problems with the color red, red absorbs more high energy photons which damage the pigment more easily. You see this on cars, flags, toys or anything else with red color.

@roderickjones7479 Год назад

Michael's hair looks like it been given the 'there's something about Mary" treatment

@omar10213245 Год назад

Probably given that treatment by Christian

@roderickjones7479 Год назад

@@omar10213245 yeah!

@originalserpent1834 Год назад

The build quality on the Master 2 is so much better the colour POPS. the old one well some things are better left in the past.

@happyhorology575 Год назад

I had a gilt dial 1675, faded bezel vintage GMT and none of the modern iterations are better in my opinion. I passed the opportunity to buy the new ceramic version at retail.

@user-om1vc2xq1f Год назад

You passed on free money in that case

@Arc1517 Год назад

I wish Christian would tell us why he likes square space so much

@omar10213245 Год назад

Because they're putting dollars into his pocket, that's why

@Arc1517 Год назад

⁠⁠@Yorkiepoocharlie thank you Yorkie lol

@michaelliu8196 Год назад

Pepsi is cool but I think the pm rootbeer is much cooler.

@KIckAssPinball 11 месяцев назад

I have a Coke from 2000! Love the watch !! Owned it for 23 years!!

@angustillett2649 Год назад

“The Rolex submariner was introduced as a tools watch” quote that

@billymania11 Год назад

I get a kick over you guys nitpicking on old watches. I personally wouldn't pay over 3k for a new watch but then I'm way too practical.

@raymondhernandez Год назад

So why should they be upset? Can we just get to the point?

@andrewgiblin3468 Год назад

Neo vintage is king, subs, Explorers and GMTs!!!

@Les_Grossman 11 месяцев назад

White Gold with Meteor Dial is incredible... "Next GRAIL" 😜

@odawgbrazy14 11 месяцев назад

lol I use my GMT complication every day. Family and clients/ other teams

@metro2171 Год назад

Modern Rolexes are the ultimate best , definitely not into watches that does not age with me I like to be the first wearing my timepieces

@Cinestudi0 9 месяцев назад

I really hate that "bleed out" red look on vintage gmt

@Chenxi_love_music_fairy Год назад

GMT is a jewelry watch which are loved by many watch investors. As a watch collector not an investor, I do not recommend any GMT as the usability is limited. To keep away from being noticeable by people, a low profile black Explorer 2 or a black bezel yacht master may be a better choice. The yacht master has the bazel to keep track of time passed.

@omar10213245 Год назад

Nobody cares what you recommend

@timeisahumanconstruct9251 Год назад

lol the usability is limited? not for people who work in multiple timezones like myself.

@omar1818 Год назад

Most useful complication for me. If you work across time zones, (especially if there is an AM/PM changes and inconsistent Summer time) it is a life saver. Doing the math is much harder when you are jet lagged from travel. Also, on super long travel days, my phone has run out of juice, or I cant find a charger. The watch has saved me.

@Bisley1 Год назад

Even if you didn’t need the GMT function I still don’t see how it’s usability is limited when compared to the Explorer 2 or Yachtmaster. Neither of those watches has more features. The GMT technically still lets you keep track of time passed with the bezel, like the YM and Sub would.

@seayak 9 месяцев назад

I am at a loss as to why you say the useablility of a GMT watch is limited - to me it is the single most useable functional addition to a tool watch.

@kenleesuser1943 9 месяцев назад

Bought my GMT 16700 1997 £2050 wore it every day until I sent back to Rolex for a service 2011 they replaced the bracelet ,fitted new ceramic bezel and winder mechanism total cost £1560 watch came back looking like a new the Rolex customer care lady asked if it as my every day watch which I confirmed worn it every day since.