A manual trans these days are truly for the enthusiast's who want that one to one driving experience, definitely not for everyone, but like you mentioned it's just not all about how fast you can go in a straight line. I had a 15' GT/PP mustang and never had an issue with the stock manual trans in the 4 years I had it, now in a 19' GT350 it just got better. Enjoy your manual as it's just a much more engaging driving experience.
The GT350 gets the Tremec T56. Although the MT82 isn’t actually as problematic as many people think. From what I’ve read, the issue really lies in the stock clutch Ford used.
I would only if they come with a supercharger or a turbo setup and a dct transmission, otherwise im sticking with the manual, mustang are fun cars to drive, not super cars to race, i wouldnt take a bmw m4 or m8 manual tho.
You have hit the nail on the head with this video. "Fun to drive, always be special and make you smile". I love that. I mean, why are you buying one of these cars in the first place if its not for all that?!
My last car was a BMW M2 with the DCT transmission. A fine car but the involvement was slightly lacking. Purchased a 2023 Mustang GT with a 6 speed transmission. Just as fast but more enjoyable. If the car is just for yourself and you enjoy drives on the weekend, a manual shifting transmission restores the involvement and integration. It so nice reliving the late 60's vibe.
I just test drove an automatic GT performance pack and a manual GT performance pack, back to back. I’ll take the manual all day, every day. I honestly did not like how the 10 speed shifted. Especially at slower speeds through town. It seemed to hunt for gears too much. The manual was so much more engaging to me. To each their own though.
Exactly my thoughts. I never thought I'd buy a manual car, but I ended up buying a manual 2021 mustang performance pack. 10 speed was hunting for gears too much
Same. I drove a 10 speed and the transmission felt like it was about to blow up. It would jerk the whole car when it shifted at slow speeds. Sport mode was un drivable
I've had a 18gt pp1 manual transmission sucked.. before I bought the car it only had 6800 miles on it 3rd and 5th were replaced. Those gears went out on me 4 months later.. bought another mt82 and after 6 months lost 5th. I sold that car to carmax got me a 10 speed and love it. Throw it in sport mode.. my only regret is not gettin one the first time. Car is reliable and a helluva lot quicker. This 10 speed stock with x pipe and borla atak muffler is faster than my pp1 manual that was catless headers jlt and lund tuned. I rather my transmission hunt gears than me lol.
I own a 2019 Z06 with the 7-speed manual. I realize the automatic is a tick faster, and I don't care. This car is still a monster, and the Tremec TR-6070 is very advanced, with auto rev-matching, the ability to do full-throttle power shifts, and very precise, smooth gates. To each his own.
Just bought a 19 6speed 5.0 same options as yours, coming from a SS sedan cammed and e85 I’ll tell you the Mustang is quite smoother magna ride of course, and yes corsa for the win. 3.55 gears in the 5.0 feels great 👍🏽
Have a 13 Mustang 5.0 with Manual, i really want the 18 5.0 10 Speed, i’m 21 and i’ve been driving manuals since i was 13 and i’m tired of it and i want to be fast 😂 but if you want a manual and you’re happy, i’m happy too 🔥🔥🔥
I've asked a lot of people who own MT82 2018+ GT's and none of them have had any problems or complaints. These include two people who regularly track their car, along with a Steeda rep based on their experience with two of their race cars. Having said that I have a 2019 GT PP 10R80 and HATE the unresponsive paddle shifting. I'm seriously considering going back to a manual 2021 GT PP. EDIT: someone I know who has a 2013ish V6 (early MT82) said he hates it and often experiences the high rpm lockout. He has also installed a couple of aftermarket parts related to the shifter/shifting mechanism which is supposed to improve some of the MT82 issues.
Ive experienced the nightmare of an 18+ mt-82 d4. My 18 blew the trans so bad it cracked rhe motor and i somehow barely managed to get both replaced under warranty.
MANUAL is much better in my opinion, because you can shift smoothly better then the 10-speed and over all fun to cruise around with and at the end its gonna be rare to find a 6-speed manual in 10-20 years from now, i myself waiting on the all new 2024 mustang, what do you think should i go for the new or just buy the 2023 5.0 mustang?
In my area there is only one dealer that consistently stocks any manual transmissions. The rest did searches with the criteria I wanted and basically told me I'd have to do a special order. Lucky for me I found one I was happy with at the one dealership that stocks a couple of them a year. The only thing it didn't have that I wanted was the active exhaust. Which isn't a deal breaker, it just allows me to pick one that I want. There are definitely fewer of them out there and will make them even more difficult to find in excellent condition down the road. I also agree with this guy that it makes driving it a more special exciting experience. I test drove an automatic and it was nice. It just didn't feel the same in the fun category to me.
2 weeks ago i got a 2020 GT premium 6 speed, and I couldn't've agree with you more! its not the fastest off the line but it sure is fun to drive, I sold a 2015 Charger RT for the GT and it was the best decision ever
I Like Manuals Even Though I Don’t Know How To Drive One, It Looks Good, Big Fan Of The Shifter, If I Ever Bought A Manual, I’d Rebuild The MT82 AND Put A Short Shifter
I know I'm 3 years late, but I 100% agree. There's more of an emotional/ mental connection with the stick compared to the paddles. Better connection to the car, more emotional feel, better engagement with the surroundings. Just freakin' cooler. Also, I'm sure that guys who drive a stick have higher testosterone levels. hahahaha! Mine's coming in a few months. Can't wait.
I chose the auto because the shift forks were having troubles. I also like the auto-start feature here in Arizona to get the AC running before I get to the car. Sometimes I miss shifting but not enough to trade her in. If I did it would be for the GT350.
I'm a huge manuel guy and owned a 14 mustang gt in manuel. I'll tell u manuel is funner on a GOOD day but it will slowly start to get old overtime especially if it is your everyday car. I recently test drove the 10 speed and fell in love.
personally I'll take the 10r80. I had a PP 2016 GT for 5 years and I did like it for about 4 years, and the thing that made me change was the VERY short gear ratios. Manual was fun, but it didn't really put a smile to my face like the automatic does. I also go on the highway a lot and traffic is a pain. At the end of the day though, what ever makes you smile more.
as true as i feel like my points were in this video, on a practical basis if i had the chance to go back and choose, id choose auto, manual had an amazing honeymoon type phase but got kinda eh after a year tbh
The Boomer in me wants a manual. The traffic stop and go makes me want. an Auto w/adaptive cruise. The latter is the rational choice, but I tend not to be rational..
@@caffeinatedmotors u fr? I see people wanting to go from auto to manual and now manual to auto lol i think im gonna trade my STI in for one i just don know if i want the manual or 10 speed
Purchased a new 2022 GT 11/2022 with an automatic and yesterday 01/25/2023 I took delivery of a 2022 GT Premium MANUAL, just couldn't take the automatic as the previous Mustang 2017 was a manual, so I went for the automatic after reading all the hype of the automatic, but it couldn't suck enough. So this weekend the new manual is getting the fix up, cold air, X pipe, tune , It will be my Pleasure to drive this care shifting away.
You can be an enthusiast and still go an auto, I have a 6 speed 408ci ls. Sux to drive in traffic and is always fighting for traction, I love the way you can just stomp it and hold it down in the 10 speed, I love driving the mustang, shifts pretty good is race mode.
Looks like I'll be the only one in a million to like your comment. Yes, an "auto" driver can be an enthusiast. If we still get a sinister grin from ear to ear at the end of the day from "stomping" around in an automatic, what does it matter to anyone else.
If you had said you bought it because it was faster I was going to call you a jerk but my hats off to you buddy. You just stated the only good reason to buy a manual in this day in age.
The auto's are faster but to trade off of gear searching and a very unrefined ride quality. So much that when I first test drove one it was an auto and it almost put me off the car completely. Then I drove the 6 speed. Way way better car not to mention the fun factor that goes along with it. Six speed all day - good choice man and sweet looking ride.
It’s what you want to do with the car. If you’re not racing it everyday and don’t care about being the fastest, or don’t care about either, then honestly try the manual.. Keep watching videos of each and see which appeals more. I’m getting my first manual 2019 mustang gt next year hopefully. I plan to put a hellion twin turbo on it too so manual is better for that
@@FYMM69 in general automatics are faster than stick shifts, it would be gay asf to have an eco boost mustang, those are the dudes that have estrogen in their body
With the MGW, if you get the “low profile” handle then the stock shift knob will not fit! Just went through this with my 19 GT. Btw don’t get the Barton, the MGW is 10x better!
So how did the Steeda spring work out for you? Does it have a lighter clutch feel? Curious since I'm trying to make a choice of manual vs auto on a upcoming purchase! Thanks!
I bought an 18 gt 6 speed almost a year ago and I love it! I got full borla catback, injen air intake and 85mm bbk throttle body installed so far and shorty headers in my room which should be installed in another month, mods have really opened it up.
Ima get mine in an auto cause I think that’s more fun u can just slam down gas and have fun not having to worry about changing gears just my opinion tho
btw mt82 sucks because the shifter is linked to chassis instead of the tranny itself, make it harzardous when shifting, and when you do aggresive pull the chassis twisting+ wheel hop don't help, a better short shifter will make it great
I had a 2017 scat pack, 6 speed, and I traded that in for a automatic hellcat, and I got bored of the hellcat so fast I told myself that I will never ever buy a automatic muscle car again. No I just ordered a 2023 six speed Mustang, GT and I can’t wait for it to come in
I couldn't agree more. When I was shopping my 5.0 I was up in the air to what I wanted. The automatic I test drove - drove like shit in my opinion. Searching for gears and just very unrefined feeling for an automatic. I drove the auto first before driving the manual. It almost put me off the 5.0 all together the automatic was so bad. In the end I ended up buying a six speed 2020 premium with 7k miles on it and 20 inch wheels, white and digital dash. Couldn't be happier !!
I been driving a manual cobra and I wish I got something faster…. Idk being slow and getting gapped even if you catch up…. Sorta makes me wish I got the GT500 dct
I bought a manual 22 mustang GT in January, and ever since then there has always been someone who wants to race me. Not that I’m necessarily looking for it. lol
I drive a base focus 5 speed right now. I want to upgrade to a 6 speed mustang. I believe if I had the powershift focus I'd hate it and my focus takes e85. I need a mustang on flex tune.
Interesting that in your circle people are telling you to get the 10 speed. I picked up the 2021 GT this year and everyone I told said I should have gotten the manual lol. Both have their pros and cons, no wrong choice imo.
It appears people that state the "unresponsiveness" nonsense have driven a Non-PP1 GT 10R80, a PP1 GT 10R80 in any mode but "Track Mode", or have not driven a 10R80 mustang at all. The 10R80 uses adaptive shift speed and line pressures based off of variables such as the mode, trq requested, and speed. I am sure that it can be made to shift at full speed and pressure all the time with some tuning, however, that would be a not so great daily. Track mode bangs gear at WOT pretty damn fast with the paddles, and is the only mode that does from MOE. I have had both in the S550 chasis, and anyone that says the 10R80 "ONLY is for the dragstrip" doesn't have a clue, and if you on a PP1 with 10R80 saying it then you need to really drive your car!
macace21 I had an 18 10 speed auto full spec’d out with PP1 and those paddle shifters in all modes took its sweet ass time. Upshifts took half a second and downshifts could take up to a whole second when pressed. It’s super unresponsive compared to the zf autos and dual clutches in cars today. Sure if you leave it in auto it works nicely but manually controlled whether in sport normal or track the thing takes forever
I will agree with this, but then again in comparison there are many examples of how to setup ZF shift strategies while the 10R80 is rather new and limited to a much smaller performance base. Shift strategies should only get faster with time and performance renditions.
Nothing like rowing your own!!! As for ford putting a Chinese made transmission in the mustang, they need to do better. Always should've had a tremec!!!
I want a 2019 and up gt premium pp1 6 speed with active exhaust, digital gauges and magneride. I'd throw on a h pipe instead of the x pipe tho and maybe some long tube headers. Nice ride btw
Your theory on your car depreciating less because it’s a manual is wrong. Only about 4% of new cars are sold as manuals and less then 15% of people know how to drive them, most of them being truck drivers. They sit on the lot for so long until the rotors are rusted and trashed. I worked at a dealer and these are impossible to sell unless you get lowballed.
Couldn't have made a better video for transmission choice. Like my dad said when he taught me how to drive....you RIDE in cars with a automatic but you DRIVE a car with a manual and REAL CAR GUYS DRIVE THEIR CARS.
If you have a mustang 18+ manual first upgrades you need and its a must is 4.09 gears, mmr lightweight pulley and intake with tune if its on warranty go with ford performance calibration and thank me later. Don’t waste money on stupid mods, the car become more enjoyable on daily drive and ready to race. Don’t forget these to make the engine healthy (Reische 170 thermostat, JLT catch can)
Well a ten speed will whoop a manual but the fun and driving experience of a manual anything is awesome I went with ten speed because I’m trying to get as fast as possible but manuals are fun for sure
The issue with the MT-82 generally lies in the shift linkage (not being especially robust/rigid) and the underlying bracketing. The MT-82 has the shifter mounted directly to the chassis via the transmission tunnel. Under hard acceleration/rpm and load, the engine and transmission twist under the torque of the engine (this is normal to an extent on every car), however most manual transmissions (for high powered cars) mount the shifter and linkage directly to the transmission, not the chassis like the mustang's design. This means the transmission moves and twists, but the shifter and linkage doesn’t move with it since it’s bolted to the chassis directly. This leads to an inconsistent shifter feel, grinding, high rpm lockout, and all those other things you hear about in the forums. Add the scenario of driver at a drag strip trying to shift aggressively and quickly to a shifter design that doesn’t like to be hurried and you have a recipe for complaints and issues. It's a shame Ford dont put the Tremec into the standard GT's
I daily drive a Toyota Camry. I want to get a manual mustang to switch things up. I want a premium but, the kind of things I got planned for it. It would make more sense to get a used base manual mustang.
i just bought a 2022 mustang gt s550 afew mounths ago i regret not getting the manual trans but they jump off the dealer lot quicker then the automatics :(
In your year I totally disagree the 18 and 19s are only faster then previous year mustangs in the 10 r80. I wish now I would have gotten a 6 speed in my s197 but my 10r80 was great at shifting. I only use my car to race I daily a new ranger with the 10 speed and everyday my ranger makes me miss my pp1 10 speed. The 6r80 is a good trans but the gear ratio is to long to make me happy. The 10 speeds pull and pull threw out all the gears. I’m happy my wife and I have 10 speeds the raptor 10 speed in her truck is crazy in put in sport or Baja mode. I’m to old to say sticks are drivers cars I drove sticks all my life and to me I don’t need the headaches in traffic.
I had a manual in my 2014, it was more fun to drive, but I'm also a retired old guy and drove many manuals I had to learn to drive on one and was afraid what happens if I stall while taking my road test. My first and second pickups were sticks & never like it when you could no longer get a full-size pickup truck with a stick. The new Mustang GT I went with the Auto, now I don't have to from the little lady we have to use her car. She would always say what if something happened and I got sick we wouldn't get home since she could not drive a stick (she didn't want to learn) I missed the stick at first. But the auto is nice in traffic jams and that was when my 14 was no fun to drive, now with the auto I don't get frustrated, I can enjoy the radio and figure out the all the gadgets this new GT has. This GT is the premium and that is worth getting as the 14 was a base, it's just much nicer. Also, if I'm still driving in 10 years hopefully, I wonder if I really want to be driving a stick, but if I was still young, I'll get the stick. Anyone looking to buy a use GT should look for an old guy or lady selling one, since I don't beat on the car and you probably will get a low mileage well taken care of GT, there is probably a lot of us that will be selling in the future when we get our new GT walker with a racing stripe going down the bar.
I live in a really crammed area so even tho I prefer manual i just can’t drive it comfortably day to day lol, the ten speed isn’t that bad with paddles tho and i get like 13 mpg with my stupid ass driving which isn’t that bad
Bro i'm telling you as someone who has owned a 2018 10 speed auto and a 2020 6 speed manual. BUY THE AUTO LMAO. My mind since this video has 100% changed.
