At this point, walls are just to dump useless resources. They make no sense when you have troops which fly over them, jump over them, burrow under them, smash through them, troops specifically target them, spells which destroy walls, spells would enable troops to jump over them, multiple siege machines which destroy walls AND the new Barbarian King ability which destroys walls
Technically speaking, they're not that useless, they can ruin pathing and disrupt smash attacks, as well as making funnels a thing. Walls always have some use at all TH levels, which led me to believe that supercell add so many counter to it is because if there isn't much then walls would be absolutely broken. But i think they went a little too much into it and now they're closer to cosmetics to your village rather than actual defense, sad really, they look nice
@@coolball999 i never said that they are completely useless, I prefer smash attacks and they are a pain to deal with. But, from the broader context, most attack styles in the current meta, they are just cosmetic upgrades.
Not quite true, they keep you from getting destroyed by any random ground army, and as pointed out in the video at th12+ ground armies overall become stronger than air. But I agree they definitely don't give you value equal to the amount of grinding you have to put into them.
Really the only way to make them effective is to double their health, or introduce different types of walls that interact with troops in different ways.
Walls are more of a status of symbol or a symbol of a more difficult base to attack. It makes little sence but if you see level 1 walls youll be more inclined to attack even if your army is air only.
@@roflxd5471not a dumb comment at all, he was just using an example saying “level 1 walls” the concept is still true. If you’re th11 but see another th11 with level 9 or 10 walls or 11 walls, you are going to be more likely to attack them than if they were level 12 walls. even if their actual defenses weren’t up to standard. off first glance, you would be less likely or most likely to attack based off of the walls
@@roflxd5471Bro the Level of the defense stays the same. It just seems to be a easier target for opponents because the base looks easier with low walls. I think you don’t get the point.
@@castroxl9569true that, always happens to me. If walls are max I'm avoiding, the walls are of lower th I'm all on for an attack with my super dragons
I think the wall is expensive so that player has an objective to grind becasue without expensive wall the players would just be waiting for upgrade time. And thus the price also increases drastically as the time for upgrading other buiding in later stages.
i think people forget that its not so much about the instant attack but later in the attack that walls matter. Especially when troops attacking you have to get through walls for the final buildings and defenses.
walls gives players a reason to stay on the game. This might be a tactic to increase play time, which could result in dedicated players being more inclined to buy store bundles.
As a TH16 I can see the argument on walls being "less useful" now that we have so many ways to avoid walls..I personally see a lot of value in them. They're not only good for funneling but air attacks are a lot easier to flop imo. At the end of the day pro players are always gonna show us the best strategies to emulate so I'm not worried. Easy 3*s all day
As another townhall 16 player I agree. Ever since the introduction of super wall breakers, walls are way less used to hold back troops and more to ruin pathing. The difference between a well designed and mediocre wall layout is so much noticable as an attacker!
@@egehanfrdn6775 first take, it's OP. After messing around with it on different layouts, then testing it as a spammer and then again in a legit strategy...pretty awesome. Not as OP as first thought but with correct funneling/pathing they're absolute monsters
@@egehanfrdn6775 not really. TH15 walls weren't much cheaper..now I also buy the gold pass and with 20% off the walls are 7.2 million which is only about 800k more than the last level...and everything else is 15 million+ so the walls are about what I expected.
I think walls is just a way to not have max storages sitting doing nothing all the time in the higher town halls while u wait for the 2 week timer. Its just a way to dump it while actually having something to show for it
this would be the case, if walls didn't need an idle builder. because they do, though, your storages will slowly fill up casually, whether its by collecting from collectors/mines/drills, or doing attacks
Well that seems like a side ways move and a bad fix for the game. Instead they need to make the gameplay more interesting so people stay for pushing and having fun. New fun game modes would be a cool addition like clash royale does. Something more casual but competitive as well. I would love if they re did troop ai and allowed u to even take control of a hero so u can create custom paths. They simply need to make the game more immersive for people to spend more time in the game. Global used to fill that gap of socializing but now they need game modes to fill that large gap
I think walls still have a few uses. 1) Redirecting troops. A lot of layouts isolate key defences from other buildings so troops (even air troops) won't initially target them. 2) Walls slow down stragglers, which can be the difference between a 2 star or a 3 star attack. 3) Walls offer you something to sink your resources into while you wait a week for your other upgrades.
level 15 walls? i'm at th11 with level 12 walls, where they cost 1 million of a resource for 1 single wall, with 10 million storage space for those resources
@@7Seveneleven7715 i understand where you're coming from, i just think that the issues started arising from th11 where without any additional help, and with max gold/elixir, you can only upgrade 20/300+ walls from level 11 to level 12
@@7Seveneleven7715 I'm using sneaky goblins to loot, but I rarely find bases with 1million+ gold/elixir, and I also need to save said loot for defenses/resource buildings/traps/the dark barracks which I have yet to upgrade to th11 standards
The only thing walls do is scare people. I use edrag spam and if i see someone with maxed out walls, i get scared, even though its not going to affect me.
Main thing is walls redirect ground troops a LOT, a good placement of walls can matter 10x more than good placement of buildings. Sure they might get destroyed or ignored, but some part of your raid will *always* be affected by the walls, your Barb King and Archer Queen, which are incredibly important at the higher townhall levels. And that's if you use a 100% air/other wise wall ignoring attack, usually it will be several portions of different troops.
the reason troops that bypas walls are so strong is because they bypass walls, if the walls were weak other armies would be better walls are balanced, thats why the strongest strategy is avoiding them
@@proxsin3748that is not the problem, the problem is walls are too strong against troops that don't counter them. And way too many troops or spells counter walls to begin with. There is the flying enemies, jumping enemies and spells, Earthquake. Even if you nerf every single troop with ability that bypass walls. Pekka is still dog shit because defences will rek him so easily.
@proxsin3748 speaking of meta I wonder what the meta would look like if lightning spells got removed. *looking at u electro dragon players who bring 12 lightning spells to zap every air defense
Not necessarily because the reason the other troops are better is not just because they bypass walls. They also have High HP and/or High DMG output. You could remove walls and an army of archers won’t get you far. Giants would be as effective as balloons at lower THs but still fall down at higher ones. And that’s the only thing that would change except maybe for Heroes ( and the obvious obsolescence of anti-wall units and spells ).
They should make tall walls that block air troops, very limited amount so you choose oh but they also block projectile attacks so if you surround a archer tower it wouldn't attack so certain buildings like townhalls, clan castles
Everytime I click on his videos I pretty much disagree with 90% of his points(opinions in the comment section are even worse). Also, he sometimes says stuff that are straight up incorrect. He tries so hard to find problems out of things that aren’t problems and the mental gymnastics required are insane.
I think what people forget nowdays is, that u had to pay elexire and dark elexire in the past for troops, not everyone spamed "expensive" units in their rutine attacks. :)
But if you think about it let’s say your th 12 with th9 walls. Everything is maxed for th12 except walls. The things is is now people with ground armies are also going to come in with maxed th12 troops and cut through your walls like it’s nothing. So now you’ll have to worry about always being attacked rather than rarely by only people with air armies.
When you think that You earn resources more than you spend, I think it really makes sense. Its only problematic for a type people who literally atk once a week.
An interesting solution would be adding a temporary slowdown to air troops trying to pass above for really high level walls. Like a sort of like 2k hp barrier that slows down troops above
I've been thinking about this every time I log into the game, walls are *so* expensive starting at like Town Hall 9. The counters to them are pretty much everywhere, so I guess you just upggrade them for the aesthetic ? Or maybe just because it's gonna stay in your head that you didn't max out your walls ? Yeah so anyways, this video is really covering the subject well, glad it's doing well !
Walls can be made effective by giving their power to stop attacking troops. Few ideas involve explosive wall, electrocuting wall, invisible walls stopping air attacks, mystery wall containing one of the 3 unique powers, self healing walls, walls that will teleport you to the start where you were deployed, few unbreakable walls, walls that throw acid when broken and so on.
i thought of an idea where you would get these small one tile towers that clipped onto walls, which their strength would be determined by the wall level, idk if thats a good idea but it would give incentive to upgrade walls
Walls often stop the most important part of army, The almighty wall-phile Archer Queen. And walls may not protect you from a defeat but they can sometimes give you timefail.
You ever heard of Those runes people use to fill their storages..? Yk.. the ones they pay for with real money and gems? Turns out... the resources that go into your storages when using the runes, you can use on the walls.
As a TH16 player, it really isn’t that big of a deal. Do clan capital raids and buy the wall rings. They upgrade themselves slowly but surely. And I’m talking about maxed walls.
The only problem i have with walls is that they are far too expensive. Instead of doubping the cost at each level they should just add an increase of 50 000 gold fron level 7 onwards. To some extent that would fix the issues while not making them too cheap. Also reducing the wall hitpoints by 10-20% across all levels would make ground attacks far more popular across every town hall
At some point tou could also upgrade walls with dark elixir. But that made fsrming dark elixir so hard since everyone used it for walls while upgrading defs/troops. So glad they removed it shortely after
The thing about walls is you can max them out in a month or so if you just leave 1 builder open at all times. It’s avtually really fun when you want to attack a lot
think walls also have a psychological effect too. A base looks more intimidating if it got max walls for their th lvl. for example, if your a th10. what are the odds that you attack a base with weak walls but strong defence vs a base with max walls but weak defence. you probably go for the base with weak walls and strong defence because a base just looks weaker if it got weak walls. so i totally agree that walls are too expensive. so you basically upgrade walls for the intimidation effect only because of as you states in the video, air troops dominates the higher lvls
They just need to make the walls upgradeable with dark elixir as that's the easiet to get (in my experience) and I'm usually overflowing with it. It would be nice to be able to dump my spare dark elixir into the walls just for an aesthetic upgrade to my base because at the end of the day the walls are mostly there for the looks at the highest level.
Walls should be expensive, but not overpriced. Right now they are just overpriced where it feels like an annoying chore instead of something to get done. Nobody likes doing them and everyone waits till the last moment to get it done. Up until level 15 walls they are just useless to upgrade as every troop gets stuck on them the rest of the attack. We have so many great air attacks, the root rider, and earth quake spells that theres just no reason to upgrade walls other than to dump remaining resources in when your 5 builders are working. I think they should stay expensive but not as overpriced as they are now
Its one of those problems where your base is as strong as its weakest wall, so if you want to put two layers of wall around a defense such as a cannon (as an example, this would be terrible in practice) you need to place 44 walls, but your attacker only needs to break 2.
I'm a Th12, at Champions 2. For the past 3 months now, I have been exclusively attacked by Electro Dragons and Dragons. My walls only stop the heroes, but they do that beautifully.
They should add a upgrade where you can make like 20 of your walls spit a wall of flames up or something so flying troops have to go around them or wait for those walls to be broken/ break them themselves.
As a th11 going from level 10 to level 11 walls was doubled recently, from 500k to 1m gold/elixir per wall. I would've skipped walls if I wasn't already close to being done with them. Hopefully they give us some more air defense to encourage more ground attacks
I think that it drastically changes from simple protection to strategic planning where to put walls and I haven't found the right formation even though I should have started three townhalls and five years ahead (TH 10)
They must have extensive data about the time it takes for a player to upgrade all walls. Proportionally scale the price down so that you finish them roughly the same time you max out the rest of the buildings.
the biggest impact of wall is the mental one a full maxed village with maxed wall is way more intimidating than a maxed village with wall with 2 or 3 level missing
To be honest, the thing that bothers me the most is the fact that you need a builder to upgrade the walls, feels so bad to have a builder doing nothing just so you can level you your walls
tbf walls are sometimes the thing that stops a 3 star because most of the time the heros are last alive and clean up the last buildings. The walls hinder them.
I think the wall could use an upgrade path tree, eg path one - stronger beefier walls to deter ground troops, and path two - longer/Taller yet weaker walls to deter air units
This is just wrong in my experience. I am not climbing right now, I'm farming to max out th14. Walls are one of the most annoying things to deal with in clash when you're high up because air spam stops working and you actually have to funnel properly. Walls are a big obstacle when it comes to creating the proper funnel. If you want your queen to target eagle, and there's two layers of walls in between, she'll likely just skirt the outside of the base instead of going in to take out the eagle. Just watch any pro and they'll almost always carry super wall breakers to set up a proper funnel. Walls are one of the more important structures on base because it's an obstacle that your troops' ai has to navigate between. It's not problematic because once you maxed almost everything in your base, and you're farming properly, it's not too bad to pay for max level walls. There's a clear line between casual clashers and more serious clashers. This video was not created to cater towards the higher ranking players.
They could.... make the walls cheaper.. thats the main issue. To level all 250 of my walls at TH 9 to from level 9 to level 10 costs 50 million gold/elixir. Each wall costs 491,050 gold/elixir to upgrade to level 10 from level 1, which means that if you max out your walls at TH 9... youve already spent a total of 122,762,500 MILLION ON WALLS ALONE.
I have a crazy idea, a new building that can turn walls into basically skyscraper walls that air troops have to attack to get over but it will have less hp then regular walls.
I would love a transmog system for coc... obviously not for attacking players... but it would be cool to choose your favourite skins for you village buildings
Im a TH12 and I use the walls to determine whether i should attack a base. All 14+ i probably wont attack, mix of 13-14 maybe, anything at 13-12 is ideal IF the loot is good
I think heros are worst now. With the hero abilities being separate from the level making it very hard to justify having the heros upgrade for 2 months straight each just to mex them for your town hall.
I think a solution would be to have the higher level walls (when they begin to glow) to slow air troops that fly above them, since a lot of attacks at the higher TH levels are air attacks that would have an impact i think.
As a th16 with max th15 walls I’ve always maxed walls purely for cosmetics and for the “intimidation/aesthetic factor”. I like that walls are expensive
walls became really strong as players evolved and came up with channeling layouts, its really complicated to figure out which walls to break, where to put wallbreakers for my army not to split up thats why im a miner hog enjoyer since th11
Maybe add Some ground reinforced walls or some barewire. That the Troops that can jump walls or dig under it get damaged or be at least slowed down. To make it a bit balacend for attackers make only some of the walls with this feature or make it hidden like a trap
I like how coc was a resource gathering game at first, thinking about it until troop elixir was removed I only had a serious attack once a month and would stop because profit did not beat the cost. Barch was on 24/7
walls are an amazing late game sinks as you can feel like you are progressing, but at the same time if you dont spend too much money of walls they will still be good.
Bro, no way i'm first. Bruh Why only 10k subs, you deserve more, don't get swayed away by the lack of subs, you make my day so much less boring. Please keep uploading, people like us need you.
I see walls more of an intimidating factor of the game. The first thing you notice in a base is the walls, so that decides if you want to attack or not
If you have ever attacked a base with low level walls it is a big difference. I use hybrid most of the time which means walls don’t effect my main army however the most important part of attacks higher level is not the army but the hero’s and the set up. A queen charge into under leveled walls just melts the base apart a log launcher is crazy powerful on low level walls compared to high level walls. Personally I think walls are still extremely important but expensive because that’s the trade off of having no time to upgrade. Some could see this as being expensive because they are somewhat optional I don’t max my walls before I upgrade but I do get at least 50% maxed. Thats my opinion on the state of walls.
I think they did a good job making them expensive. There's always something to do then. There used to be these big lufts of time where you would just have to take a few days off.
