One of my favorite ways to give a piece some movement is to switch between narrow and wide lowend. Having a narrow 808 with a wide chorus vox, then switching to a wide 808 with a narrow verse vox.
I'm glad someone bigger than me is finally spreading this information! I made a video involving this a few months back and it got no views, but now you have one so people will finally pick up on it! Thanks mike.
hey man, I checked your channel, u do have a lot of useful stuff lol, but I didn't find how you widen the 808s, could you tell which of your video mentioned this information please?
You can do so much with widening low end. Coming from a mono sounding 808 into a wide bridge/break bass synth to open it up or plain widening 808. Putting a highpassed delay on a 808 (especially bends) is another cool technique I like to use. You just always have to check for phasing and mono compatibility.
Nice, tried this on the 2 beats i was working on today and it definitely gives a nice openess to the bass and lets the kick come thru better (i did the ozone way)
hey vxnyl i just asked you more about this lol! thats whats up tho! nice to see an already dope @$$ producer ☝️ keepin the ears open on other folks take on things. no wonder i love making music its an ongoing work of art. if you don't already know vxnyl, check out his tutorial and best of all his beats. its 💯
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but the sound system is gonna be in mono so he gonna actually translate this little stereo information to a mono and it will hit almost the same thing as an 808 not widen in mix
@@BALTAOFC Hard panned elements will loose 3db when merged to mono. Any stereo to mono conversion will change the volume(even slightly) of the instruments.
this was awesome. what i was doing was duplicating my 808 and then highpassing the duplicate, and maybe adding a chorus if i felt like it needed that lil extra smoothing, sometimes subtle saturation. but this is simple & sounds great
I been doing that since I heard about Phil spector's wall of sound, plus I can lower things and still get nice levels without squeezing the life out of a mix
Thanks David for this tip. I always loved to monoize bass frequencies under 30-50 or 100 hz and let some of the upper ranges spread out but this will be even greater now that out there there's plugins that keep your mono compatibility. I'd like to know your opinion on 3D Binaural plugins as well.
Thanks Dave, great information. Now I gotta have that Joey Sturis Plugin! Just amazing. BTW, some day you should tell us what you won that grammy at theft of your console for!
I noticed you said that its "relatively new to you"... I notice a lot of old engineering "NO NO's" are now changing. How important is it to follow the rules and break the rules in this day In time? Would be a cool piece. @pensado's Place
Really what I'm hearing that's subpar is the sound selection: 1. That distorted 808 sounds muddy and doesn't sit well in the mix 2. Very little hi hat variation / very repetitive 3. Vocals are flawless and on point tho! Hears a prime example of someone who produced for Rae Sremmurd Listen to the way that distorted 808 sits...Everything has its place. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iSCceTK8b2Q.html
DMN 1. He made that 808 sound like that. I bet 100 % the orig. 808 didnt sound like that. Imo he treated the 808 like a rock guitar distorting the f*** out and panning it. 2. He didnt make the beat, he mixed it, so has nothing to do with hi hats. 3. True. Vocals on point. -Good mix and an excellent reference for Daves video.
pretty cool idea. but you have to keep in mind that all of the plugins used here are very good at being mono compatible. if you don't use something that keeps it mono compatible, in a club you are going to really have a issue with your low end. I do sound for clubs venues and stadiums and this is a issue people have been complaining about when people do this technique
have you thought about inviting Eestbound to an episode of pensado's place? ^^ his mixes are mindblowingly clean and his 808s bang like crazy, one of the best out there in toronto he made the beat for antidote and produces for his band EMP i recommend checking out their track "Pink Nights"
nice! but it would have also helped to use use plug ins or alternate techniques that newbie producers can gain access without digging pockets. i got uber excited to watch this only coming to find that i don't have this plugin. also, i think this topic goes way beyond a quick vix "vst". just sayin. anywho if anyone up on here knows how to achieve this widening effect especially on distortion mixed in alongside a pure 808, please do chime in on the conversation. i worry about phase cancellation problems with 808/distortion/kick that will occur within the mix. any thoughts on this folks? but much love Dave for who you are and what you do 💐
BOZ sidewidener is free with any newer computer music mag issue and you can always use the stereo enhancer plugin your daw has. I use the one in cubase all the time alongside my paid ones cause they all produce different results. Also, the Ozone Imager is completely free and mono compatible. bx_solo, Stereo tool by flux, MStereoExpander are also all free and mono compatible. You gotta do more research. These are just the ones I use and still found them all on a list in a 10 second google search lol "free stereo enhancer vst"
I promise you that it makes for an incredible listening experience in headphones and in cars, but maybe keep a second version if you plan on playing them out
You're only going to need around 25% L-R above your mono bass, 35% by 4k, 25% to 7k, down to 15% for treble, to have a better experience with mono, FM mono-blending, the physics of cutting vinyl, and lossy coded audio concerns. There was much more L-R content in these demos, for the sake of demonstration, than one would typically go for. ;) Be careful of delays and parallel audio path/s around it, due to potentially unwanted/new phase distortions happening because of two complex waveforms combining. I would recommend against it at first, and get used to really subtly listening to what the first plugin is doing to various things in your mix. (which is not me telling you to put them everywhere, please no hehe)
Here is my challenge to you dave. I notice you are famously hip and in sync with the younger generations fascination with computer digital audio workstation music processes unlike many old timers. But do you ever play a mix in a car your self and enjoy the sound of the music? So my challenge to you is to show your audience yourself sitting in a car and examining the aspects of car audio and how they play a role in today's society of music consumption.
Mastering in cars is great since you get an idea of what a lot of people will listen to music on. Since I've started mastering my stuff, I have always tested it on everything I have at my disposal, from my Yamahas and Audio Technicas to the earpods everyone uses, and from the soundbar in the living room to the Burmester system in my friend's Mercedes (acoustically the car is not that great with all that glass and stuff, but man is that system hella good) I would also recommend knowing someone with a Jaguar Meridian system however, don't forget to try stock systems.
Hybric I'm also wondering. I guess it's about a slight micro delay from left to right. (5-20). So it's a middle ground between real mono and 180° phase shift
So for decades messing with a low end of a track has been an absolute no! To the point where it your track would be laughably rejected if you submitted a master with stereo /super wide bass ! But now is ok..??
@@bboymac84 Hi, I just checked four of his mixes and they're mono below 100k so if he isn't doing it, his mastering engineer is fixing it for him, so all the amateurs like yourself can still sound half decent in a club 🤷♂😁😂🤣🖕
