Wiley & Acho discuss the double-standard between NBA teams & stars | NBA | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF 

What are your thoughts on Draymond Green's comments on the Pistons?

Hands dwn one of the most insightful convos ive seen on sports shows. And delivered very eloquently

Marcellus, that point from your wife is profoundly true sir.

Marcellus really is trying to better the younger men and women with life lessons and skills

I hope this show sticks around.

This is the abosolute best sports show on TV!! More than just debating stats and much more objective viewpoints. Love it!!

Marcellus Wiley is seriously the smartest guy in television. Acho is super smart too but man Mr Wiley is just...wow!

I be mad at marcellus tskes.. but yo be speaking facts

Marcellus is the GOAT. His arguments are on point, thoughtful, and well researched by both wordly experience and statistical analysis. Hes that Uncle that you go to advice for, and knows a something about everything. Not just black excellence but species excellence. Lol

Yes double standard in sports s player in the nba gets called for traveling but james takes 5 steps and isn't called

One of the best conversations I've ever heard. These two are self aware, wiley especially. two pro athletes recognizing that their old profession does not correlate to the life of a common person. Draymond, etc, these guys dont understand they are employees.

Wiley on point on this one for me

These guys hands down have this best sports talk show on TV. They dnt argue they spit facts with real information

I find myself agreeing with Wiley on almost every topic.

Now THIS is how you conduct a debate on a sports talk show. Keep it up gentlemen!

I have to agree with Marcellus. Athletes always use the narrative that a sport is a business when it comes contract negotiations etc, However, that narrative is conveniently ignored when a team acts accordingly. Employer / Employee dynamics. Each role comes w/ a different set of responsibilities & priorities. An owner has a whole team/facility & construct to think about. A player does not. So while there is a fan perception of a double standard & i agree that to be the case (i.e. Anthony Davis Forces his way out of New Orleans = he's vilified by the fans, but a team moves on from a player & it's BAU) At the end of day compensation is the ultimate form of respect in any job. if you don't like dynamics. find a new profession & see how that works out for ya.

Well these 2 get better every episode 🔥🔥🔥

Wiley always make me look at things differently

I appreciate the healthy discourse. The best way to inform and educate is to put forth your argument debate it with someone of the opposing side and let the people decide where they fall. That’s the problem we have today we want to people to arrive at our destination and not there own.

These two have a LOT of wisdom! Great take!

One of my favorite sports talk show. Great convos!

I loved this conversation, they hit all of it right on the nail.

Maaaan, marcellus is totally right!!! Its simple, employer and employee

So well said!!! Great debate.

You guys have the best, objective commentary on sports and issues. All sides considered and no views shoved down our throats

This my show right here ... respect ny brothers keeping on pushing 💯

Unreal convo. These dudes are next level insightful

I loved this conversation

Great episode 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾

Marcellus is so Fuccing smart I love his takes smh 💯

Harrison Barnes a few years ago got traded from the Mavs while he was on the court in the middle of an NBA game. The league didn't bat an eye. Yes there is a double standard.

I love these two! ❤️

LOVE THESE GUYS

This show is underrated All love all way from isreal 🤙🏻

THIS IS THE MOST EDUCATIONAL SPORTS SHOW EVER

I see both sides. Great debate.

Thank u Wiley ❤️

What is a "double standard?" Is it that players aren't treated like owners? Well, that was known when your signature went on the contract.

Acho on this show is way better then whitlock ... keep this smart dude around for a long time ... the chemistry is unreal with these two

I haven't seen an analyst yet respond to Draymonds actually point. Acho did just what

Idk if Marcellus even answered Achos question about the second part of Draymonds statement

Wiley hit the nail on the hammer

You guys are great! I feel at home watching uou show. I enjoy many others but the way you deliver your views, as a black man i feel the culture!

Wiley is missing a huge part of Draymond’s point. Draymond didn’t say owners don’t have the right to make moves to benefit the team. He was simply saying why do owners get a pass from the fans while players get punished (castrated) when they do the same thing. That’s the double standard. It has nothing to do with owner and employee status. It’s about being fair in your assessment of both parties. We all get that it’s a business.

Marcellus needs a statue

Marcellus the Wise

Draymond doesn't know the difference between employer and employee.

God I love Wiley!!!!! Tells it like it is!

NBA players are not partners, they are employees. Ofcourse the employer will have some leverage over the employee. Green acted like an entitled, delusional fool who doesn't understand how a company works.

We respond differently because we are fans of a team not a player. If a player wants to leave and that makes the team worse of course we are going to be mad. If a team cuts a player who is playing poorly or trades somebody and it makes the team better so we aren't mad about that

These two kings remind me of "The Great Debaters"💪🏿🖤

FACTS!!!!

I don’t think fans get mad when players ask for a trade but it’s how they go about it sometimes. Like oh I’m gonna sit until you trade me. I don’t think the fans care when guy asks for a trade but will still play until he can get out of there. Players are some of the most privileged group of people in America

Acho too!

Respect is never contractual. Compensation is. Money for doing a job not respect for said job but pay for service rendered. Self actualization of talent and/or peace of mind should not be met with disdain

It is binding the ability for a team to cut someone is in the contract.

Draymond has been doing a lot of talking these days for someone scoring 5 pts a game just be quite and play like you deserve that 25 million a yr.

Wiley is right though. There are at will states where employers can hire and fire people at will. The NBA is the same way. They just shouldn't do it in a disrespectful manner, like during a game.

Retail workers : what’s this respect you speak of ?

Harden dogging his way out of Houston put Drummond in this situation so what is Draymond talking about?

MW is spot on WRT to the dynamics of owner/management and labor. Labor has little to no leverage in most negotiations, because there is usually thousands who would gladly take those jobs. However, when it comes to jobs where there is labor scarcity, then labor has much more leverage. What Green and others are pointing out is that folks like MW and fans are not used to labor using their leverage, when players act as individual entities, rather than as a collective, I.E. the team. We've all been conditioned to think that ownership makes trades or other personnel decisions for the betterment of the team. That may be true, sometimes it's not, like cost cutting to prioritize profits over winning as an example. But if MW and all of us are consistent in our thinking, in that owners, players, or any actor in the economy, will use their leverage to best negotiate what is their best interests, then Green is right, the fans and media have no right to be upset. Just because ownership has traditionally held much of the negotiating power, doesn't mean that pendulum can't swing a bit the other way. I think what is really at work here is twofold. Most people have employers. I think they put themselves in their situations with little or no leverage and think how dare he (the athlete). But dare they do, because they have far more leverage than you. Secondly, people have a problem with others acting individually, selfish when others do it, but how many folks in their owns lives have done things that benefits them individually, and not collectively? Everyone.

Draymond is 100% right that there's a double standard for players who want to be traded as oppose to a team wanting to trade a player. It would be very easy for all of this to be done behind closed doors and that's all he wants

Cell, speak the truth...

Marcellus nailed the god complex!!!

I agree w/ ALMOST EVERYTHING Wiley said except the part about “You showing me how much you Respect me by the amount of Money you pay me”. I believe you can be BOUGHT if you look at LIFE like that🤷🏾‍♂️💯

the difference is the team has to worry about a roster and overall success whereas the player is just that and, effective or not, are mostly concerned about themselves (understandably so) and their legacy... the problem now is two fold #1 the entitlement of the players...VS...#2 the arrogance of the owners

I think a simple way to resolve the trading and cutting of players would be a 2 part negotiation. Kinda like in European soccer. If team A wants a player from team B they usually have to negotiate the price of the player and negotiate with the player on their salary. This doesn't fix how players feel about being disrespected but this could give them some sort of security that they don't currently

That booing of Andrew Luck was one of the worst things I've ever seen.

It depends on the type of job though. Many jobs you give two weeks notice before you leave. I work as a lobbyist right now, I’m under a contract. I can’t just get up and tell them to transfer me. They could sit me, I will get paid a percentage of my contract, but also fined for days missed depending on the event. Depends on the architecture of the contract you sign. The players Union need to get that changed in the next CBA meeting so this discussion can end.

Wiley big ups of late and I use to be a Wiley hater

A syllabus is a contract. But everyone wants to make it to university (rather than community college).

They straight MURDERED this one...BRAVO BROTHERS

Owners/GMs can trade players and say 'it's just business' but players ask for a trade and they're called 'locker room cancers' or 'bad leaders'

It’s binding on both parties. They have a term clause and you don’t.

We don't know the conversation the team and Drummond agent had. This could have been mutual to sit until a trade occurs

Acho- I live in nc. U can get fired for any reason here no matter what. It’s a huge difference being employees and employers

Wiley is low-key telling the players to start their own league. That’s when they will have the utmost respect. When there’s no such thing as a “boss” *Dame Dash Voice*

There is a double standard. Why is selfishness negative for one entity but neutral for the other. There’s the double standard

Listening to your wife will always led you wrong lmao

I love when these two speak about more profound things. Imagine the Fat Man trying to speak about this stuff.

Asking for justice; same consequence for same actions, is a human imperative. No matter how much you get paid ....ethics are not related to how much you get paid. A owner of a team or CEO doesn’t get to treat his employees like cattle, no matter how much they pay...in a decent/civilized society. It is shameful to use such coercion...and is a type of passive aggressive violence.

Players tend to oversimplify things. Didn't Draymond call Durant to ask him to come to Golden State? Wouldn't that lead to trades and releases? Didn't Lebron - who agreed with Draymond - trade 3 or 4 Lakers players to get his buddy AD to the team?

Ya but the difference is, one is writing checks and one is taking checks.

Is there a double standard? I wouldn't say so after listening to Mr. Wiley and Mr. Acho. I mean idk what to say. Businesses are entities. People are people. I feel like if every player had a company where their "person" works for their own LLC or corporation. Then they would be in a partnership with this organization when they sign the company's name on the NBA contract. I think they are signing their own names. Example: i create a company/LLC in all 50 states called "Basketball players, LLC." I hire myself as an employee. Now, when I am at the negotiation table. I'm the person representing basketball players LLC, While so and so is representing the Los Angeles Lakers. 2 people representing theor respective entities. In that way, it's two owners (level playing field) as a table talking business. Then when you signed the contract you sign it as basketball players,. LLC. Its a partnership instead of someone "hiring" someone else. Something like that should happen to resolve this issue.

James harden thing is a wildly slippery slope.

Nobody thinks of it like this, but players are actually partners with the owners, it's a limited partnership, but it's a partnership nevertheless & it's called the players association, therefore on that fact, players do need to negotiate better options/terms for requesting trades & how teams handle trading them when the team wants to

Totally disagree with Wiley because we see police officers on their phones while driving and speeding so because they’re the one who enforces the law means it’s not a double standard when they break them and they’re not subject to the same consequences they’ll write u a ticket for

Marcellus Wiley lives in the real world most people live in WOKE abstract reality

Don't they have contracts with no trade clauses?

the playoffs are extra games (not accounted for unless added into incentives in a contract) for making it a bonus (not part of contract) just like the pro bowl... the owners own the franchises and I don't see what Green really meant by his comments bc players badmouth owners all the time...is that respect???

But owners have to buy in and if nfl players had to buyin before they play they couldn’t

The double standard is upheld by the fans, is it not? The loyalty is demanded but not given in return.

Both have credible arguments and just something embedded in the system, it works and we can want all the same benefits but that’s just not how capitalism works.

Draymond is just trying to stay relevant...that’s not how real life works. Great take by Marcellus!

Man an owner of any business assumes all the risk when opening and maintaining a business. If you business does well it allows you to give your employees higher wages and better benefits.

I believe players forget ... if the league stopped cold turkey just was dissolved ... who would it affect?? 🤔 the players and employees of teams not the owners .... Professional Sports is just a side Hustle like they said owners are billionaires and owning a team to the owner essentially a hobby ..they have control and there wealth trickles down but I think players grossly over evaluate themselves

Are there not teams that fans and the media (because they're apart of the perception and reaction too) love to chastise for never getting it right. Do people not talk harshly and deride James Dolan and the Knicks? Were the Browns not laughing stock as well 2 years ago for NEVER getting it right( having several 1st rd picks at QB and repeatedly failing. )Did people not blame that on the organization? Weren't people and the media also ultra critical of the Pelicans for "wasting" AD prime and not securing him any help and also having a slew of players get injured while playing for them? Teams do face criticism. Where fans are concerned they tend to criticize whatever they think will make their team worse moving forward. And the James Harden case is a pretty bad example because the Rockets have routinely answered to James demands. Besides the GS Warriors,who has shown more consiency in the West than the Rockets in the last 5- 6 years?

If I were born for it, I'd make a living visiting schools and workplaces by coaching for free.

This is too deep for me lol

Are those owners making 8 bill from just football or is that figure in conjuction with their other business ventures.